Момчило
Ističe se
- Poruka
- 2.298
Боан, Тара и Бојана?
- - - - - - - - - -
На српском не значе ништа.
Па Власи (Румуни) су балкански староседеоци.
Ако си добро превео у питању су заиста песничка имена.
-
- Popularno:
- Poreklo imena Bodin od srpskog...
- Јелена Малешевић - лажни археолог
- Šta bi se desilo da je srpska vojska...
- Da li je empatija urođena ili naučena?
- Da li vas nervira kada je neko spor u...
- Poslaniku SNS Vladimiru Đukanoviću...
- Blokirati Predsedništvo do ispunjenja...
- Rusija: Srbija zaobilaznim putem šalje...
- Trump bi mogao iskljuciti internet...
- PLANIRALI SU ATENTAT NA MENE NA...
Vlasi — balkanski fenomen
- Začetnik teme Pravi Vlah
- Datum pokretanja
Боан, Тара и Бојана?
- - - - - - - - - -
На српском не значе ништа.
Па Власи (Румуни) су балкански староседеоци.
Ако си добро превео у питању су заиста песничка имена.
ccaterpillar
Legenda
- Poruka
- 56.059
Изгледа да би неки овде хтели да инаугуришу наследнике римске империје...
Тако је и Велс у Британији влашки крај...
Тако је и Велс у Британији влашки крај...
Момчило
Ističe se
- Poruka
- 2.298
Ако мислиш на мене, погрешио си.
Уосталом Римљани су на Балкану затекли Влахе.
За Велс не знам.
Добро дошли
Buduća legenda
- Poruka
- 27.853
Момчило
Ističe se
- Poruka
- 2.298
Добро дошли
Buduća legenda
- Poruka
- 27.853
Можда си побегао са часа када је ова лекција обрађивана.
Ево теби, благо мени, ЛИНК па употпуни знање стечено у школи. Давно је то било!
http://www.politika.rs/scc/clanak/20339/Власи-ни-су-Румуни
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=08&dd=24&nav_category=11&nav_id=1169271
****************************************************
Pravi Vlah
Iskusan
- Poruka
- 5.013
Хвала, брате Божо, све иде добро на Ибизи.
ccaterpillar
Legenda
- Poruka
- 56.059
Момчило
Ističe se
- Poruka
- 2.298
Не значи.
Види свет је постојао и пре постања света по старом завету и људи су се служили говором и пре Латина.
Дакле група сродних италских језика је постојала и пре Римљана и то не само на Апенинском полуострву.
Poslednja izmena:
Момчило
Ističe se
- Poruka
- 2.298
Ако два рођена брата, из неке пизме, не говоре међусобно то не потире чињеницу да су у питању браћа.
Добро дошли
Buduća legenda
- Poruka
- 27.853
Молим те води нрачуна када ме цитираш и наведи тачно мој а не туђи став. Ово шта си приписао мени, ја нисам изрекао.Оригинал поставио Добро дошли
Значи Власи су били ти који су ширили романске језик (тачниије језик) по Европи?
Не значи.
Види свет је постојао и пре постања света по старом завету и људи су се служили говором и пре Латина.
Дакле група сродних италских језика је постојала и пре Римљана и то не само на Апенинском полуострву.
Исправи то!
Момчило
Ističe se
- Poruka
- 2.298
За Добро Дошли
Исправио сам
Не знам како се то догодило.
Није било зле намере.
Извини.
Исправио сам
Не знам како се то догодило.
Није било зле намере.
Извини.
Poslednja izmena:
loš đak Boža
Ističe se
- Poruka
- 2.144
Izvor: Asimakis, Stathis (Ασημάκης, Στάθης) - Toponimia
https://www.google.ca/#q=ΑΣΗΜΑΚΗΣ+ΣΤΑΘΗΣ
Page 21 excerpt/translation from Greek: "Since three important names of the Peloponnese: Arahova, Araklovo and Akova mentioned in the Chronicle of Morea - for which a detailed analysis in the next section - are Latin (Vlach) and not Slavic origin"
Page 22 excerpt/translation: "It is admitted, however, that Vlach pastoralists namely: Boioi or Mpouioi, Malakasioi or Malakasiotes and Messarites Vlachs entered the Peloponnese together with Albanians."
Page 23 excerpt/translation: "Interesting testimony to the spread of Latin-speaking population in the Peloponnese, presents a much later report Chalkokondylis for Vlachs, who perhaps found to reside in Mani with Slavic peoples who had settled there."
http://www.karyes.gr/index_en.html
http://www.karyes.gr/history/romanbyz_en.html
In Byzantium the place has been renamed as Megali (Great) Arachova, a name that was kept since the 20th century. The origin of the name Arachova is due to either the Slavic language (=place of wallnuts) or Vlach (= mountain ridge).
Karyes is a traditional village, nested on the foothill of mountain Parnon and surrounded by chestnuts and walnuts.
The area was renamed as Arachova and under the Franks occupation was referred to as Great Arachova. The origin of the name Arachova was considered until recently to be of Slavic origin from the words орех (orech) = walnut and орахов (orachov) = made of walnut and therefore Arachova means place of walnuts. The above approach is not well justified and probably incorrect and it is assumed that this wrong approach of the origin of the word and its association with the word walnut and nuts, probably began from the Great Arachova of the "Chronicle of Morea", which are the today's Karyes Laconias, in location of which were ancient Karyes. Historians have tried to associate the name Arachova to ancient Karyes, but the settlers of that region for that period were likely non-Greek speaking and reasonably unaware of the area names of ancient Laconia. Even assuming that the word originates from the Slavic word орахов (orachov) = made of walnut, this can not reasonably explain the disappearance of the original letter omicron (O) from all sixteen toponyms in Greece, an unexplained linguistic change in such an extensive geographical area, while all "Orehovica" toponyms that exist in the Balkan Peninsula remain unchanged.
According to a recent study (2), there are eleven (11) toponyms in Greece with name Arachova and origin of the name is Vlach and not Slavic, from the Vlach nomads' breeders who inhabited Peloponnesus long before the 13th century. The Vlachs breeders along with the Slavic tribes inhabited the area since the 8th century. In Vlach language there is the word recha that is the mountain ridge -loan from the Greek language- that may be associated with the word rachas-rachados (5th century), often characterized sites in the Greek area during the Roman era and meant arboreal regions. Another element that seems to confirm the Vlach origin of the name Arachova is the original vowel alpha (A), which is a characteristic addition in the language of Vlachs at the beginning of words that are loans from other languages and especially those beginning with an "r". Thus the name Arachova is associated to the characteristic of a mountain ridge at high altitude.
Sources:
(1) Κ.Μ. Pitsios (1948), Karyaí (Aráchova) Lakedaímonos, Historical, Cultural Study
(2) S. Asimakis, (2015) Toponyms ova, όva, ista, itsa
https://www.google.ca/#q=ΑΣΗΜΑΚΗΣ+ΣΤΑΘΗΣ
Page 21 excerpt/translation from Greek: "Since three important names of the Peloponnese: Arahova, Araklovo and Akova mentioned in the Chronicle of Morea - for which a detailed analysis in the next section - are Latin (Vlach) and not Slavic origin"
Page 22 excerpt/translation: "It is admitted, however, that Vlach pastoralists namely: Boioi or Mpouioi, Malakasioi or Malakasiotes and Messarites Vlachs entered the Peloponnese together with Albanians."
Page 23 excerpt/translation: "Interesting testimony to the spread of Latin-speaking population in the Peloponnese, presents a much later report Chalkokondylis for Vlachs, who perhaps found to reside in Mani with Slavic peoples who had settled there."
http://www.karyes.gr/index_en.html
http://www.karyes.gr/history/romanbyz_en.html
In Byzantium the place has been renamed as Megali (Great) Arachova, a name that was kept since the 20th century. The origin of the name Arachova is due to either the Slavic language (=place of wallnuts) or Vlach (= mountain ridge).
Karyes is a traditional village, nested on the foothill of mountain Parnon and surrounded by chestnuts and walnuts.
The area was renamed as Arachova and under the Franks occupation was referred to as Great Arachova. The origin of the name Arachova was considered until recently to be of Slavic origin from the words орех (orech) = walnut and орахов (orachov) = made of walnut and therefore Arachova means place of walnuts. The above approach is not well justified and probably incorrect and it is assumed that this wrong approach of the origin of the word and its association with the word walnut and nuts, probably began from the Great Arachova of the "Chronicle of Morea", which are the today's Karyes Laconias, in location of which were ancient Karyes. Historians have tried to associate the name Arachova to ancient Karyes, but the settlers of that region for that period were likely non-Greek speaking and reasonably unaware of the area names of ancient Laconia. Even assuming that the word originates from the Slavic word орахов (orachov) = made of walnut, this can not reasonably explain the disappearance of the original letter omicron (O) from all sixteen toponyms in Greece, an unexplained linguistic change in such an extensive geographical area, while all "Orehovica" toponyms that exist in the Balkan Peninsula remain unchanged.
According to a recent study (2), there are eleven (11) toponyms in Greece with name Arachova and origin of the name is Vlach and not Slavic, from the Vlach nomads' breeders who inhabited Peloponnesus long before the 13th century. The Vlachs breeders along with the Slavic tribes inhabited the area since the 8th century. In Vlach language there is the word recha that is the mountain ridge -loan from the Greek language- that may be associated with the word rachas-rachados (5th century), often characterized sites in the Greek area during the Roman era and meant arboreal regions. Another element that seems to confirm the Vlach origin of the name Arachova is the original vowel alpha (A), which is a characteristic addition in the language of Vlachs at the beginning of words that are loans from other languages and especially those beginning with an "r". Thus the name Arachova is associated to the characteristic of a mountain ridge at high altitude.
Sources:
(1) Κ.Μ. Pitsios (1948), Karyaí (Aráchova) Lakedaímonos, Historical, Cultural Study
(2) S. Asimakis, (2015) Toponyms ova, όva, ista, itsa
Perperius
Veoma poznat
- Poruka
- 14.342
Zapravo sve je to manje više izmešano. Jezik, kultura, identitet, obeležja, filozofija to je bitno za definisanje naroda, ne poreklo.
Slavan
ne i poznat
- Poruka
- 10.224
Да завиримо у румунске речнике...
Тor s. n. – Der. torină, s. f. (Olt., tizic), din sb. torina/торина; toriște/ториште (var. turiște/туриште), s. f. (Olt., tizic; Trans., loc unde mănîncă oile, torină); storiște/сториште, s. f. (loc de întîlnire, de ședere a vitelor sau cerbilor), bg. torište; torofină (var. torohină), s. f. (resturi de semințe, de fructe stoarse), probabil prin contaminare cu boștină, în Munt.; toreni, vb. (Banat, a îngrășa solul, a gunoi); (s)trușnic, s. m. (turtă, reziduuri de semințe ale plantelor oleaginoase), probabil în loc de *(s)torușnic (după Candrea, în legătură cu sb. trušni „de tărîțe”); turiță, s. f. (scai mărunt, Galium aparine), din sb. turica, cf. cr., slov., rus. torica (Candrea, II, 427; Conev 46); turicioară, s. f. (coada-racului, Agrimonia eupatoria); turicel (var. turicea), s. m. (plantă, Turritis glabra); var. a cuvîntului anterior (după Tiktin și Candrea, formație artificială care pornește de la numele științific).
sb = српски
bg = бугарски
cr = хрватски
slo = словеначки
rus = руски
tor n. (bg. tor, băligar; sîrb. tor, țarc, ocol de vite; pol. tór, drum bătut. V. toriște, tîrlă). Vest (rev. I. Crg. 4, 250, și 9, 94). Băligar, tizic.
tîrlă (sîrb. trlo)
toriște, turiște, stоriște, staniște...
Pravi Vlah
Iskusan
- Poruka
- 5.013
Поздрав, хајдучино.
Очигледно се овим румунским текстом мени обраћаш, јер, авај, мало којих осталих форумаша знају румунски.
Јеси ли овог пута ставио барут и зрна у кубури или још увек пуцаш каписле?
Pravi Vlah
Iskusan
- Poruka
- 5.013
Манастир Рмањ... хмммм...
...мене ово подсећа на ендоним Армањ, то јест сопствени етнички назива Аромуна, односно они који су на српском познати као Цинцари.
...мене ово подсећа на ендоним Армањ, то јест сопствени етнички назива Аромуна, односно они који су на српском познати као Цинцари.sumljiv_tip
Domaćin
- Poruka
- 3.735
Манастир Рмањ... хмммм...
Vlasi svi i svuda
- Poruka
- 3.358
Vlasi svi i svuda
Ne samo oni...ima i Cincara i Morlaka te arbanaskih plemena...u manjem broju srba...ali to je vec druga tema
Pumpaj Dinstanović
Zaslužan član
- Poruka
- 103.002
Не знам да ли да пишем јер је слаба вајда да ћеш прочитати, али зар ти није било познато да су Цицари Власи?
- Poruka
- 3.358
neko naziva i morlake karavlasima, mada su to po mom skromnom misljenju zasbne etnije bile koje su osmanlije koristile za popunjavanje rupa, a kasnije i austrija.
Pravi Vlah
Iskusan
- Poruka
- 5.013
Vlasi svi i svuda
Драго ми је да је и самозвани скептик као што си ти напокон ово схватио.
Mrkalj
Buduća legenda
- Poruka
- 35.998
Tako je.
I sada se nameće jasna etimologija srpskog plrmena torlak: tor + vlah. Uporedi torlak : morlak (more + vlah).
Добро дошли
Buduća legenda
- Poruka
- 27.853
Још увек си ми нејасан: јеси ли Влах или Румун?!Поздрав, хајдучино.
Очигледно се овим румунским текстом мени обраћаш, јер, авај, мало којих осталих форумаша знају румунски.
Јеси ли овог пута ставио барут и зрна у кубури или још увек пуцаш каписле?
Лично мислим да си један од ових бивших корисничких имена:VLAD_22, Saint Andrew, VASILIE II, SREMIO, Romanus, volcae, hippy, .... који су се такође у почетку стидљиво афирмисали док нису једног тренутка отпочели да отворено износе свој став. Убрзо су нестали..... па ми ово много сличи на тај њихов почетак. Можда си и ти један од ових побројаних.
