Српски грб - слова или оцила?

i kao slag na tortu samo da kazem da sam ponosan sto sam ne srbin nego "S R B E N D A" i pored svih dokaza ti i dalje negiraj da je pravoslavlje nastalo u 8-9 veku kod nas, ma to je laz i propaganda vatikana izgoreo do zore (mislim na vatikan)
i da smo mi tamo neko pleme ludaka koje je uhvatilo zadnji voz za balkan ma krv im .ebem pokvarenu.
Treba braniti SRPSTVO i PRAVOSLAVLJE a ne ga kuditi

prve dve slike su Sianfu
treca slika;From an Assyrian Headstone. Two angels bearing a cross sitting on a lotus

Asirski hriscani u kini
http://www.edessa.com/history/monument.htm
http://rosiemalekyonan.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/assyrians-religion-religious-divisions/
http://thechristiancross.blogspot.com/2007/10/in-beginning-was-cross-but-whos.html
http://www.fareasterntransfiguratio...y-christianity-in-china/?wpmp_switcher=mobile
 
Assyrian Christian Missions in China
635 - 1550 AD

By Esha Emmanuel Tamras

In the time of the Emperor Taitsung, in the year AD 635 an Assyrian man named Olopun arrived at Chang-an (Hsian-Fu), China and was received by the prime minister, Duke Fan Hiuen-ling. Olopun translated the holy book into Chinese, and in July 638 AD the emperor issued a proclamation ordering the publication and dissemination of this Chinese translation of the Holy Bible. The emperor also ordered the building of an Assyrian church in the capital of the I-ning May; this church was to be governed by 21 priests.

The next emperor, Kausung honored emperor Taitsung' proclamation. During his time churches were being built in every province in China, he also appointed Olopun as the great conservator of doctrine for the preservation of the state.

On January 7, 781 AD, the year of Kienchung of the Tang dynasty, the Assyrian christian (Nestorian) Monument was erected to commemorate the diffusion of christianity in China. The monument bore Syro-Chinese inscriptions composed by an Assyrian priest from Persia (Iran) named Adam, also known As Ching-tsing in Chinese, he was a monk of the Ta-ts'in monastery.

The Assyrian monk, Adam(Ching-tsing) is mentioned in a contemporary buddist work entitled Cheng-Yuan Hsin-ting shih-chiao-mo-lu, meaning, "The New Catalogue of the teaching of Sakya" in The period of cheng-yuan (AD 785-804).

Professor Saeki mentions that Japanese buddism borrowed the wedding religious ceremony from the Assyrians as well as the feast of departed souls, "Yu Lan P'en".

In AD 845 persecution of the Assyrian and Chinese Christians of the Assyrian Church of the East began by the emperor Wu-tsung. These persecutions lead to the burying of the Assyrian monument to save it from destruction. The monument remained burried untill February 1625 when some workmen digging a foundation at a place not far from His-an-fu came across a large stele burried underground.

A pagan friend of a Christian mandarin happen to witness the discovery of the monument. This pagan man sent a copy of the monument to his mandarin Christian friend, Leo, who lived in Han chow. It is believed that this Leo was none other than the celebrated Catholic letteratus, Li Chih-tsao (1570- 1670). Through him the news of the discovery of the Assyrian monument reached the Jesuits at Peking and elsewhere. Nicholas Trigault, a french Jesuit father visited the monument in October 1625 and soon after, the discovery was announced throughout China and Europe.
It was not till 1817 that the inscription of the Assyrian monument was for the first time made known to the Japanese. In that year, many books were imported from China and among them was a a book entitled "A great Collection of Inscriptions on stone and metal". This book was compiled by Wang Ch'ang in 1805 and it contained the inscription from the famous Assyrian monument. The Japanese Inspector-General of Publication Imported Books was Kondo Seisai and as soon as he read the Assyrian inscription, he concluded it had to do with Christianity, which was then strictly forbidden by the Shogun's law, and he consequently declared the whole book by Wang Ch'ang prohibited in Japan.

Almost sixty years later in 1876, the London Bible and Tract Society published Dr. Martin's Chinese book entitled "T'ien Tao Su Yuan", meaning "The Way of Heaven Traced to its Origin". This book contained the Assyrian inscription from the Assyrian Monument and it contained Japanese reading marks added to the Chinese text. Twenty years later, Dr. Takakusu published a very interesting and valuable article in the well-known journal "T'oung Pao". In this article he wrote about his discovery of the name "Ching-ching", Adam, the name of the Assyrian priest from Persia (Iran) who composed the inscription. This article also speaks of the genuineness of the monument. The Honorable Mrs. E.A. Gordon set up the replica of the Assyrian monument at the top of Mount Koya, the holy land of Japan, on the 3rd of October 1911; she also wrote a very interesting article entitled "On Kobo Daishi and the Nestorians in China".

The name of the city "Hsi-an-fu" has been spelled and pronounced in so many different ways, here is a list of some of the other spellings and pronounciations: Hsi-an, Si-an, Si-gan, Sengan, Si-ngan, Hsingan, Ching-chao yin, Yung-chou (Chung-chao), Shang-tu (Ching-chao-fu).

Hsi-an-fu is located at 109 30' longtiude and 34 17' North latitude. The eastern part of Hsi-an-fu, known as Hsien-ning there is a place known as "Pei-lin", meaning "Forest of Tablest", this is where the Chinese kept the precious stone monuments of the city. The Assyrian Monument was kept here since October 2, 1907, well protected from wind and rain. Just before it was moved to "Pei-lin", there was an attempt by some foreigner to buy the Assyrian Monument for 3,000 teals in order that he might sell it to the British Museum. This event startled the Governor of the Province of Shensi, that he ordered the moving of the Assyrian Monument to the forest of tablets, and it was ordered that no one without prermission from the proper government authorities was allowed to come near the monument. Later that year the Han-Kow Daily News had published an article regarding the attempt by one Danish journalist named Mr. Fritz Von Holm who after failing to purchase the original Assyrian monument had tried to get a replica and still failed.

Mr. Fritz Von Holm writes the following: I did everything in my power to obtain the original by applying to the local authorities in an indirect manner; but although the Chinese do not care more today for the stone than for any ordinary brick, they at once got suspicious; and I might as well have endeavoured to lift the Rosetta Stone out of the British Museum, or take the Moabite Stone from the Louvre, as to carry away the Ching-chiao-pei from Hsi-an!".

"This replica is one of the most beautiful pieces of Chinese workmanship I have ever seen. In the first place, there is not a measure, not a character, not a detail that differs from the original tablet, even the weight is the same. In the second place, this piece of art was executed by four native stone-cutters in eleven days, including polishing after the huge slabs had been brought from the Fu-P'ing quarries to Hsi-an. In the third place, the Chinese artisans have been able to accomplish the miracle of carving the Cross and chiselling the Syriac characters, which they did not of course know, to absolute perfection".

On the 16th of June, 1908, in accordance with the arrangement with Sir Purdon Clarke, Director, the replica was deposited in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, as a loan
 
Christianity has always had a tenuous history in China. It arrived relatively late and did not last long before being completely wiped out, not to appear again until centuries later. Early Christian tradition held that the Gospel reached a part of modern China in the first century, however little evidence has been found to support this. The first known entry of Christianity into China was with the mission of the Assyrian Church of the East into western China. A more orthodox form of Christianity didn’t reach China until the short lived

a evo i slicice
 
Kako si uspeo da pobiješ simbol krilatog sunca iz Asirie slikom dvoglavog orla Hetita ?
Ja nisam rekao da Hetiti nemaju dvoglavog orla kao simbol, o Hetitima niko nije ni govorio.

Ja sam hetitsko krilato sunce naveo kako bih ukazao sličnost sa egipatskim, vavilonskim i asirskim simbolom.

Pokaži mi sliku dvoglavog orla kod Asiraca. I odgovori kakve veze imaju njihov i naš krst ?

VoSlavu jel rode jel to sto si me pitao da pokazem ili iznesem neke ajmo reci dokaze ili se nismo razumeli (tj. ja tebe nisam razumeo ili ti mene)
ako mislis da sam skrenuo sa tenme,molim te ispravi me i detaljno mi reci sta ustvari ja treba da pokazem ili dokazem
uzdravlje :bye:
 
Stani brate ...
Nabacao si tušt i tma slika.

Ja ti kažem da taj Asirski krst u krugu sa krilima nije dvoglavi orao, već krilato sunce.
A ti mi kačiš slike Hetitskog dvoglavog orla.

Hetiti su indoevropljani Asirci su semiti. To nije isti narod. Ti možda misliš na Hate.

Hetiti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites
Hati: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattians

I ja pitam za vezu između drevnog asirskog krsta, ovaj što kralj Ašurnasirpal II ima oko vrata.
400px-Ashurnasirpal2_stele.jpg


I srpskog krsta, ovakvog :
umetnuti%20stit%20kolorni.jpg

Jer je valjda o tome tema?

A ti mi navodiš slike krstova Asirijske crkve istoka, jedne od Istočnih pravoslavnih crkava.
Naravno da će biti slični, oba su pravoslavni krstovi.
 
Stani brate ...
Nabacao si tušt i tma slika.

Ja ti kažem da taj Asirski krst u krugu sa krilima nije dvoglavi orao, već krilato sunce.
A ti mi kačiš slike Hetitskog dvoglavog orla.

Hetiti su indoevropljani Asirci su semiti. To nije isti narod. Ti možda misliš na Hate.

Hetiti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites
Hati: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattians

I ja pitam za vezu između drevnog asirskog krsta, ovaj što kralj Ašurnasirpal II ima oko vrata.
400px-Ashurnasirpal2_stele.jpg


I srpskog krsta, ovakvog :
umetnuti%20stit%20kolorni.jpg

Jer je valjda o tome tema?

A ti mi navodiš slike krstova Asirijske crkve istoka, jedne od Istočnih pravoslavnih crkava.
Naravno da će biti slični, oba su pravoslavni krstovi.

Uh izvini rode moj malo sam se zaneo,uvek se zanesem kada zelim nesto da dokazem :))) (nije namerno) izvini :(
evo ovako da krenem od pocetka na naj-jednostavniji nacin.
Znaci ovako usporedjujem KRST ASIRSKOG kralja i SRPSKI KRST (rekao sam srpski)

evo rode moj Asirski krstovi na Kralju i sami za sebe

pogledaj krst na nasem Petru,Aleksandru,Nikoli i Milanu O. i Aleksandru O.
i usporedi nase tj.njihove sa Asirskim

i to rode moj za Hite ako se nevaram pa zar nisu to isti hiti koji su ratovali sa Egiptom Ramzesom II ako se nevaram oko 1257-9 godine pre hrista nisam siguran.bitka kod Kadesa
Hiti su imali tri kraljevine(velicine) staru kraljevinu,srednju i novu,od severne i centralne Anatolije,jugozapadna Sirija,i gornji ili severni deo Mezopotamije
ja mislim :think: da su bili samo jedni i jedini HITI ili Hitajti
 
prve dve slike su Sianfu
treca slika;From an Assyrian Headstone. Two angels bearing a cross sitting on a lotus
Asirski hriscani u kini

Gle. gle šta si iskopao, Korkanje!!!:ok:

Ako ubacite u pretraživač SIANFU , dobijate stalno XIANFU
ili ako pretražite SIAN, dobijate stalno XIAN
Upravo to XIAN ili SIAN sa dodatkom "be" (Xianbe,Sianbe) čita se kao SARBI;)

О њима се недовољно зна, помињу и х Милојевић и Ломоносов..вероватно су кључ за дешифрацију етницитета токарских мумија.

У раној средњевековној историји Кине помиње се група звана САРБИ или САРБИ РАТНИЦИ, за које се децидирано каже да нису косооки, али се зна и да нису били дошљаци!??
Назив је, кажу, етно-лингвистичка категорија и САРБИ "Sаrbi" је реконструкција оригиналног назива, базираног на кинескојтранскрипцији "Xianbei"..

Vodic za turiste koji posecuju Kinu-daje informaciju o Gaxian pecini gde su preci Sarba živeli hiljadama godina ranije..
Назив је, кажу кинески историчари , етно-лингвистичка категорија и
„Särbi” је реконструкција оригиналног назива, базираног на кинеској транскрипцији „Xianbei”..
У северном Веју (Northern Wei),Guyuan, Ningxia откривена јегробница која је грађена за српског племића (Särbi elite).
Линкови за ове цитате и још неки линкови за Сарбе у Кини
http://serbdom.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/2535395-zemlja-kitajska?page=last

Е са..шта ми паде напамет поводом коркањевог линка за "асирске хришћане" у Кини..на линку града Едеса (или Антиоха..а раније се град звао Орфај, односно Урфа или Уреу-.. и најстарије име што може да се нађе калдејски Ур)..

Assyrian Christian Missions in China..635 - 1550 AD
In the time of the Emperor Taitsung, in the year AD 635 an Assyrian man named Olopun arrived at Chang-an (Hsian-Fu)....значи Сарб-фу ..., China and was received by the prime minister, Duke Fan Hiuen-ling. Olopun translated the holy book into Chinese, and in July 638 AD the emperor issued a proclamation ordering the publication and dissemination of this Chinese translation of the Holy Bible. The emperor also ordered the building of an Assyrian church in the capital of the I-ning May; this church was to be governed by 21 priests.
http://www.edessa.com/history/monument.htm

...јесте да Срби имају неке (недовољно истражене везе) са калдејцима (сетите се Карловачког родослова где је написано да је цело српство славило Дагона кад живеше Срби у Месопотамији, и сетите се Несторове руске хронике где се слично помиње) и као древни звездознанци..

А поводом Сирије(где је данас калдејски Ур=Едеса), а-Сирије(где је био калдејски Ур..искаче још једна могућност.Можда ће малчице расветлити ову забуну хетити-асирија о којој причате...те "Сири", можда Тацитове Сира-цене...а можда и Сир(б)е помињу Јевреји у Библији на тој територији где су се населили.Језик им је сирски (не сиријски, не асиријски).. и постоји врло занимљива књига на ту тему:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16683056/-

П.С. И још један равнокраки крст са украсима врло сличним нашим огњилима на линку "едеса" што је Коркањ :
дао:
nestorian-cross1.gif
 
Poslednja izmena:
Gle. gle šta si iskopao, Korkanje!!!:ok:

Ako ubacite u pretraživač SIANFU , dobijate stalno XIANFU
ili ako pretražite SIAN, dobijate stalno XIAN
Upravo to XIAN ili SIAN sa dodatkom "be" (Xianbe,Sianbe) čita se kao SARBI;)

О њима се недовољно зна, помињу и х Милојевић и Ломоносов..вероватно су кључ за дешифрацију етницитета токарских мумија.


Линкови за ове цитате и још неки линкови за Сарбе у Кини
http://serbdom.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/2535395-zemlja-kitajska?page=last

Е са..шта ми паде напамет поводом коркањевог линка за "асирске хришћане" у Кини..на линку града Едеса (или Антиоха..а раније се град звао Орфај, односно Урфа или Уреу-.. и најстарије име што може да се нађе калдејски Ур)..


http://www.edessa.com/history/monument.htm

...јесте да Срби имају неке (недовољно истражене везе) са калдејцима (сетите се Карловачког родослова где је написано да је цело српство славило Дагона кад живеше Срби у Месопотамији, и сетите се Несторове руске хронике где се слично помиње) и као древни звездознанци..

А поводом Сирије(где је данас калдејски Ур=Едеса), а-Сирије(где је био калдејски Ур..искаче још једна могућност.Можда ће малчице расветлити ову забуну хетити-асирија о којој причате...те "Сири", можда Тацитове Сира-цене...а можда и Сир(б)е помињу Јевреји у Библији на тој територији где су се населили.Језик им је сирски (не сиријски, не асиријски).. и постоји врло занимљива књига на ту тему:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16683056/-

П.С. И још један равнокраки крст са украсима врло сличним нашим огњилима на линку "едеса" што је Коркањ :
дао:
nestorian-cross1.gif

Svaka cast rode!!!
ma imam ja toga na kamare nego se zanesem pa se onda sav izgubim u slikama,citatima,i ostalim karakondzulama.Mislim da sam negde i naveo ako pocnem da idem previse daleko onda odem pa se izgubim i vise se ne zanm vratiti ***,
a ima tih ajmo reci dokaza,podudarnosti,slicnosti mnogo mnogo vise nego sto mislimo
ps upravo nesto istrazujem i ako dobijem neke proverene informacije to ce da bude senzacija bar ovde na forumu :) ali samo polako sve ce da ispliva
uzdravlje:bye:
 
Evo jos malo dublje da se ode npr.Indija???

Conflicts

The Dravidians were India's first inhabitants. Archaeologists believe the Dravidians migrated to India from East Africa in prehistoric times. Aryan invaders from the north conquered the Dravidians about 1500BC. The Aryans were related to the Persians and Europeans. Their language, Sanskrit, is similar to Greek and Latin. Linguists classify Sanskrit as an "Indo-European language." Most of India's languages are rooted in Sanskrit or Dravidian languages.

Time Line

2700 B.C.
Indus valley Civilizations covering approx 1/2 Million miles North of India

1000 B.C.
The Aryan Civilization expand into the Ganges-valley.

600 B.C.
Republics evolve around the Himalayas

http://www.indianorthodoxchurchabudhabi.com/orthodoxchurch.htm


Egipat???:D:D:D
http://www.archangelmichaelchurch.net/Home/Who_are_copts/who_are_copts.htm

uzdravlje:bye:
 
Poslednja izmena:
Evo i B/Vizantije
sit sam vise grka koji prvo pokradu i prisvoje tudje pa onda prodaju
ps. ovo za prodaju da je njihovo sigurno NE bi prodavali :evil: ???


The design of this magnificent cross originates from actual byzantine museum artifacts from the east-roman empire c. 11 AD. It was first studied and reproduced by our grandfather, an old-school silver artisan from Asia Minor, and it is still reproduced today with the same unique crafting methods used by silversmiths as far back as 400 years ago.

a pogledajte :rtfm::dash: im samo pod kojim imenom to prodaju:evil: LOPOVI jedni :dontunderstand:

http://www.greekjewelryshop.com/catalog/item/6968782/5729230.htm
 
B/Vizantija :D

Although Byzantium was originally founded as a Greek colony in 667 BC and named after the Greek King ‘Bizas’, the Byzantine Empire is the term used to describe the East Roman Empire (or Nova Roma) of which the capital was named Constantinople in 330 AD after Constantine the Great. From this point on until the capturing of Constantinople in 1453 by the Ottomans, the synthesis of classical Greek, Roman and Christianized Roman culture created unrivaled achievements in art, architecture and magnificent jewelry.

http://jewelryaffairs.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/byzantine-empire-jewelry/
 
Evo ovo sam trazioooooooo napokon !!!!!
Za sve koji nisu znali odakle je dosao DVOGLAVI ORAO i ko ga je medju prvima imao :D:D:D

:rtfm:
I was a great deal surprised when discovered in the Church (Temple) of the Sacred Tomb in Jerusalem the characteristic symbols of solar gods - a solar disk with divergent beams and a two-headed eagle. An analogous by form solar disk has been widely presented in "pagan" culture of the South American Indians and is a constituent of banners of Argentina, Uruguay and Peru. The eagle is known from "pagan" times too in culture of very different nations (slavs, Egyptians, Aztecs etc.) and is one of the most characteristic symbols of the Sun or of solar gods - an ardent opponent of snakes. A two-headed eagle - the National Emblem of Russia, inherited to it from ancient slavs.
The genesisis of all these symbols, as well as a cross (many historians believe that the cross is the image of a bird) is lost in the heart of centuries on far northern continent Hyperborea on which white gods of light day lived. Worship to them had initiated further a cult of solar gods. Leaders of solar gods at various times and at different people were Varuna, Indra, Mitra, Svarog, Ahura-Mazda, Enlil, Amon-Hnum, Zeus, Inti, perhaps, Jahveh, Uitsilopochtl, etc. In the book "Battles of ancient gods" I have suggested J esus Christ, who could be the earth incarnation of Indra or Zeus,or both of them (if they were the same god), most likely, was one of them (solar gods). The presence at the most important Sacred Place of Christendom the symbols of solar gods inherited from a far antiquity, as well as the fact of availability of a cross, to which different people worshipped in ancient "pagan" times (long before Christianity occurrence) confirms this guess.

http://www.dopotopa.com/lang1/symbols_of_solar_gods_in_church_of_the_sacred_tomb.html

alo narode zar ne vidite da su SLAVS=Sloveni =Srbi pa zar to jos niste shvatili
tu nam je ispred nosa a svi cute i kutre oceli li ludi SRBI da primete ista,i uvek im tako nesto promakne jel ne mogu da uniste,slazu,iskvare pa cak i da nas strpaju u isti Dzak sa hrvatima koji su sami sebe nazvali VARVARIMA jer su dosli pre nas na balkan:eek::think:??? eto neka budu Varvari ali oni nikada nisu bili SLAVENI niti cebiti!!! :evil:
uzdravlje narode i uzivajte :bye:
 

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