Iako nemmarim za Bančeva naklapanja, u pogledu
nacija on je za Hobsbawna gromada. Ništa se Hobsbawn nije
"spuštao"- taj je ostao svadljiva ********* koja je otišla
u grob sa svojim bezvrijednim lupetanjima.
Nu, točno je da je Ivo Banac u polemici s njim utukao dotičnoga, pa
je ovaj kidnuo podvijena repa. Iako se, velim, ne slažem
s Bancem i njegovom opsesijom Tuđmanom i BH, ovdje se vidi refleks
tih svađa:
http://bostonreview.net/BR19.1/banac.html
Banac: First, I think Eric Hobsbawm is singularly ill-prepared to deal with this particular issue because he sees nationalism as basically the revenge of society for the failure of socialism in Eastern Europe. He then goes as far as to question the Leninist project of national self-determination, which he sees as the Original Sin of the Communist movement that basically brought about its downfall. All of this is wrong. Leninism could not have succeeded had it not taken into account the most serious problem of the Russian Empire, which was a collectivity of unequal nations. Second, there is this notion of the "icebox effect": that communism froze all discussion of nationhood in Russia since the Revolution in 1917, and in Eastern Europe, more or less, since 1945, and now, suddenly, with the collapse of communism we are going back to 1939, or to 1917; we are witnessing the return of history. I repeat once again: the national question never disappeared in any of these countries except that it was debated under adverse circumstances, and, basically, within the ruling communist parties.
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2. Glede Anthonyja Smitha, da se lako- možda kasnije, jer
je sutra blagdan- potražiti točno mjesto i stranica gdje
se taj citat nalazi. Ja sam ga vidio izrijekom citiranoga u Antićevoj knjizi:
http://www.sveznadar.com/knjiga.aspx?knjiga=74779
3. Hobsbawn je bio i ostao- ništarija:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...liever-in-the-Red-utopia-to-the-very-end.html
pazi, on je marksista –jevrej, kao i gelenr, to je ta ekipa koja se gadi svakog evropskog nacionalizma i uopšte pomisli na neku tradiciju i slično. oni su i formirali modernistički pogled na nacionalizam. međutim, on je obavezna referenca u svakoj raspravi o nacioanlizmu, o nacionalnim pokretima 19. vijeku, uopšte modernoj istoriji. za razliku od njega, banac na zapadu uopšte ne postoji, njega niko ne citira. on je mitomanizovao svoju karijeru i tamo se predstavio kao najveći stručnjak za jugoslaviju, ali ako pogledaš broj referenci, to je minorno. zato sam se i zapitao šta ima da se hobsbaum bakće sa tim anonimusom.
u ovoj tvojoj polemici - iako nema nikave polemike, niti hobsbauma - banac razgovara sa nekom rabijom, evo šta kaže za bosnu:
To my mind, if Bosnia did not exist, it would be necessary to create it -- precisely because it mitigates the hostilities between Serbia and Croatia. There is another very important reason why Bosnia should exist as an independent state: the Bosnian Muslim community has no other national home. This is why the Muslim community has, to a very large extent, become the cement of Bosnia-Hercegovina. It would be wrong to say that this community is uniquely Bosnian and the others are not -- because there is a great danger that this argument, too, would undermine the unity of Bosnia-Hercegovina. As I mentioned earlier, the Bosnian Croats and the Bosnian Serbs have distinctive cultures that distinguish them from their mainstream cultures that obtain, respectively, in Croatia and Serbia. They are distinctively Bosnian. It is this element which sustains the cultural unity of Bosnia-Hercegovina and explains why so many Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs have supported the Bosnian government.
dakle, po bancu, srbi i hrvati imaju "drugačije kulture" u odnosu na matice i taj element održava "kulturno jedinstvo" bih i objašnjava zašto toliko bosanskih srba i hrvata podržava bosansku vladu
ovakvu glupost može da izvali samo na nekom političkom forumu ili kao lobista bošnjačke strane kod amerikanaca - nigdje drugo. hobsbaum je ipak bio ozbiljan naučnik, a ovaj je najobičniji manipulator i lažov koji nema nikakav naučni kredibilitet. mjesto da kaže treba nam bosna samo kao tampon zona za srbe u odnosu na hrvatsku on izmišlja nekakvo kulturno jedinstvo u bosni.