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Slavs and nomadic populations in Greece
https://www2.rgzm.de/foreigners/cfm/themen/309/309_uk.cfm?Language=uk

1) "Bronze fibulae of the so-called Slavic (or Antic) type have been found in six sites in Greece: a random find is the fibula from Sparta, a surface find is the fibula from the early Byzantine settlement of Messene as well as the fibulae found in Demetrias and Dion. There are only two cases so far of fibulae found in a burial; unfortunately these complexes have been very poorly documented: a pair of fibula was found together with a belt buckle of the so-called Syracuse type in Kouphia Petra, Edessa, while in the Early Byzantine site of Thebes (Nea Anchialos, Thessaly) a fibula came up together with a Byzantine belt buckle in a grave chamber of one of the town’s basilicas. Fibulae of these type cannot be easily associated with the Byzantine population; it is known that the use of a pair of fibulae is a characteristic of the female costume of Germanic peoples but also of peoples of nomadic origin (Alans, Ants) in the region of Crimea and the Ucrainian steppe, but it is nevertheless impossible with the evidence available so far to identify more accurately the origin of persons using this type of fibulae in Greece."

2) "The Slavic tribes mentioned in the Byzantine sources contemporary or later (Miracula of Saint Demetrius, Chronicle of Monemvasia, the works of Theophanes and Constantine Porphyrogennetos) as living in areas of the Greek territory since the beginning of the 7th century are being found mainly in Macedonia, Epirus, Thessaly and the Peloponnese. Some of these settlements mentioned in the Byzantine written sources can be localized through archaeological evidence in the Peloponnese; this is the case in Olympia in the Western Peloponnese (cemetery with incineration urns); the presence of Slavs or “foreigners” can be postulated in other sites: Messene (a handmade pot and a fibula were found), in Corinth (a hand made pot found together with a knife and a Byzantine sword), Sparta (a bronze fibula) and Palaioboukouvina (hand made vessels and knives). (See also the report of Natalia Poulou-Papademetriou – Christina Katsougiannopoulou). The presence of Slavs may be corroborated by archaeological finds from Thessaly: Demetrias (hand made pottery and a fibula) and Central Macedonia, in Dion (fibula) and in Kouphia Petra in Edessa (a pair of fibulae found together with a knife and a Byzantine belt buckle in a burial)."
 
The presence of Slavs may be corroborated by archaeological finds from Thessaly: Demetrias (hand made pottery and a fibula) and Central Macedonia, in Dion (fibula) and in Kouphia Petra in Edessa (a pair of fibulae found together with a knife and a Byzantine belt buckle in a burial)."

Demetrias is now known as Volos.
It was founded in Hellenistic times, named after greek goddess Demetra.
Goddess Demetra had a lot in common with the slavic god Volos.
So, it is possible that the Slavs of Magnesia "translated" the name into their own respective god. ;)
 
Demetrias is now known as Volos.
It was founded in Hellenistic times, named after greek goddess Demetra.
Goddess Demetra had a lot in common with the slavic god Volos.
So, it is possible that the Slavs of Magnesia "translated" the name into their own respective god. ;)
Another option:

Demetrias is mentioned by Hierocles in the sixth century.[10] Its territory was settled by the Slavic tribe of the Belegezitai in the 7th/8th centuries, raided and sacked by the Saracens in 901/2, and by rebels during the Uprising of Peter Delyan in 1040.[11]

Belegezites (Ancient Greek: Βελεγεζίται, Belegezitai )
Велегезити
According to the Miracles of Saint Demetrius, they were settled around Demetrias and Phthiotic Thebes on the northern shores of the Pagasetic Gulf.[5] The same area is still called Beivalechatouia (Βελεχατουΐα, Velechativa in Latin) in the chrysobull of 1198 granting privileges to the Republic of Venice, and in the 1204 Partitio Romaniae. At the time, it formed an imperial episkepsis (fiscal district).[6]
One of the leaders of the tribe in the late 7th century was a person named Tihomir, whose name has been found on artifacts of the same period.[10] Religious buildings of the 8th century in Thessaly have been connected with the Christianization of the tribe, after the campaigns of Byzantine emperor Nikephoros I against the Slavs of the area.[11]



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Start of ... Hellenic revolution in Romania: Soutsos - head of "Albanians" and Serbs!
Pocetak Grcke revolucije u Rumuniji: Soutsos - vodja "Albanaca" i Srba!

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PS: Yet another example of "uncertainty" of terminology - Georgios Olympios:

Georgios Olympios, eines Aromunen aus Fteri, von den Turken Vlach-Bey genannt, eines Andrutsu und dessen Sohnes Odysseus aus Vlacho-Livadhon.”

-- Weigand, G., (1895), Die Aromunen Ethnografische – philologisch – historische Untersuchung, str. 211.
 
Poslednja izmena:
Za šta? Da su Cincari iz Albanije?

Primeri kako su Cincari smatrani "Albancima"? Na primer - "O Cincarima", Dušan J. Popović. Sa str. 252:

"Dosao je poznati junak Jorgac sa sedam drugova, medju kojima su bili Zagla i Farmakija, Nulin otac. ---> Inace Jordaki. Kod Grka Georgakis. Po Jorgi bio je Arnaut romanskog porekla, rodom iz Vlaholivadije. (Jorga-Margan 271)"

Da li neko zna zasto su Cincari nazivani "Gogama"?

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Poslednja izmena:
Start of ... Hellenic revolution in Romania: Soutsos - head of "Albanians" and Serbs!
Pocetak Grcke revolucije u Rumuniji: Soutsos - vodja "Albanaca" i Srba!

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MpU9JeY.png



PS: Yet another example of "uncertainty" of terminology - Georgios Olympios:

Georgios Olympios, eines Aromunen aus Fteri, von den Turken Vlach-Bey genannt, eines Andrutsu und dessen Sohnes Odysseus aus Vlacho-Livadhon.”

-- Weigand, G., (1895), Die Aromunen Ethnografische – philologisch – historische Untersuchung, str. 211.

Olympios was from the Lazeoi family and they are thought to be of Arvanitovlach origin.

He took part in the Serbian revolution, together with other armatoloi (hajduk) from Thessaly. He got married and had 3 kids with a Serbian noble woman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čučuk_Stana

An opposite example is Vaso Brajovic / Mavrovuniotis ( = Montenegrin), a Serbian hero of the Greek revolution that got married with a Greek woman and stayed forever in Greece.
 
Olympios was from the Lazeoi family and they are thought to be of Arvanitovlach origin.

He took part in the Serbian revolution, together with other armatoloi (hajduk) from Thessaly. He got married and had 3 kids with a Serbian noble woman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čučuk_Stana

An opposite example is Vaso Brajovic / Mavrovuniotis ( = Montenegrin), a Serbian hero of the Greek revolution that got married with a Greek woman and stayed forever in Greece.

How much old serbs are now in east Thessaly with clear conscience of his origin?
 
Olympios was from the Lazeoi family and they are thought to be of Arvanitovlach origin.

He took part in the Serbian revolution, together with other armatoloi (hajduk) from Thessaly. He got married and had 3 kids with a Serbian noble woman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čučuk_Stana

An opposite example is Vaso Brajovic / Mavrovuniotis ( = Montenegrin), a Serbian hero of the Greek revolution that got married with a Greek woman and stayed forever in Greece.

Thanks AELarisa.

As you are from Thessaly, I wanted to share the following with you. It may not specifically talk about the specific area you are from but I found it relevant. Here is the link:
https://www.facebook.com/3608008273...-toponymyde-stelian-brezeanu/466580163456507/

"The presence in Thessaly of two proximate toponyms, namely Palaioblacoi and Voivonda does not appear to be accidental. It is less important whether the toponym of Voivonda is the result of an influence come from Serbia or of the local Slavs. Actually, it is difficult to explain why other branches of the Balkan Slavs, except of the Serbs and the Croats, would not know the voyvodal institution. Two decades after the attestation of the toponym in the Patriarchal act, there appeared another ‘voyvode’ in an Epirote church’s fresco, around Janina, in a region with Vlach population."


PS:

There were Arvanitovlachs even further south (a lot of them), "associated" with Slavonic toponyms.

Christos Davelis was a notorious 'Hellenic' robber of Attica and Boeotia. He was born to a shepherd family of Arvanitovlachs. Some consider him to originate from Arachova, Boeotia.

URL:
https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Χρήστος_Νταβέλης
 
Poslednja izmena:
1) A letter from Almira/Almyros, near the town of Ypati, addressed to the famous Alexandar Exarch in Constantinople, dated September 1850 by the peasant Kalina Stoiku.

The letter was written in Greek. In this letter, Kalina Stoiku pleads for her son, Konstantin Stoiku, to be released from the Constantinople prison where he was sent, slandered, that he was allegedly a robber. The letter, in addition to the signature of Kalina Stoiku, also carries signatures of several other leading figures from the same village, with the following names: Mito, Nechko, Licho, Lalo, Dimo and others.

URL:
http://www.promacedonia.org/mp/mp_1_3_chilev.htm

2) More on Thessaly - A charter for the emperor Andronicus III from 1336, issued in favor of the bishopric of Stagos. The charter confirms previously granted rights and privileges of this bishopric and of the "clergy and lay people, Vlachs, Bulgarians and Albanians" in its entire area. A number of local Slavic names appear in the charter, such as: Τζερνιτζόβον (Tsernitsovon), Σθλατένας (Sthlatenas), Γρεβενοςέλι (Grevenoseli), Σουσίτζα (Sousitsa) and others.
 
Poslednja izmena:
Језерити и Милинзи су имали своју цркву унутар грчког копна која се опирала хеленизацији до 12. века тачније на Пелопонезу.
Дошли су у сукоб одбијајући да плате порезе држави дакле писали су пре Ћирила и Методија , ко зна колико је таквих оаза било које су погрчене од 9. века повратком грчке администрације на "своје територије". Њихова црква је проглашена богумилском.
 
How much old serbs are now in east Thessaly with clear conscience of his origin?

You can find some, mostly on the mountains. I can't give you an exact number, but it can be some hundreds or a few thousands of people.
The connection with the language has been lost long ago, but still there are some Serbian words or phrases in use.

"The presence in Thessaly of two proximate toponyms, namely Palaioblacoi and Voivonda does not appear to be accidental. It is less important whether the toponym of Voivonda is the result of an influence come from Serbia or of the local Slavs. Actually, it is difficult to explain why other branches of the Balkan Slavs, except of the Serbs and the Croats, would not know the voyvodal institution. Two decades after the attestation of the toponym in the Patriarchal act, there appeared another ‘voyvode’ in an Epirote church’s fresco, around Janina, in a region with Vlach population."

Voivoda (today known as "Vasiliki") is very close to Trikala. Trikala was the capital of Thessaly at the times of Serbian empire. The Serbs actually converted it to a city from a fortress that it was formerly. Voivoda is most probably a Serbian toponym.

There were Arvanitovlachs even further south (a lot of them), "associated" with Slavonic toponyms.

Christos Davelis was a notorious 'Hellenic' robber of Attica and Boeotia. He was born to a shepherd family of Arvanitovlachs. Some consider him to originate from Arachova, Boeotia.
Boeotia was inhabited by Arvanites when the Serbs forced them to leave Thessaly.
You can find slavic toponyms in places of Arvanites or Vlachs, but those toponyms usually pre-existed.
 

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