Prvi srpski kralj, Mihailo ili Stefan?

[Pumpaj Dinstanović]

Slavko, oči moje, da li bi bio ljubazan da nam objasniš:

Ako je familija Mrnjavčević rodom iz Livna, šta su oni:
1. Srbi
2. Hrvati
3. Bugari
4. Makedonci (Krali Marko)
5. Albanci (Rozafa - mlada Gojkovica)

Molim?!?

 

[Lesandar]

Molim?!?

Mene ili boga?

Možda ovo može pomoći: VUKAŠIN Mrnjavčević (Livno ---- -drowned Marica 26 Sep 1371). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Official at the court of Stefan Dušan Tsar of Serbia before 1356. He was appointed Župan in Prilep [1350]. Awarded the title Despot 1364 by Stefan Uroš IV Tsar of Serbia, he was crowned VUKAŠIN King of Serbia [Aug/Sep]1365 as co-ruler although in time he came to act increasingly on his own.

Ili ovo:


Vukašin Mrnjavčević (* okolo 1320, Livno – † 1371 v bitke pri rieke Marica) bol srbský despota a kráľ, ktorý vládol v oblasti dnešného centrálneho a severozápadného Macedónska v rokoch 1365–1371.

Spomína sa v roku 1350 ako prilepský župan. Neskôr mu cár Stefan Uroš V. (alebo Stefan Uroš IV. Dušan) udelil titul despotu. Od roku 1365 bol kráľom ako Urošov vazal, neskôr samostatne. Vládol v oblasti dnešných miest Prizren, Skopje a Prilep. Udrožoval dobré vzťahy so svojim bratom Jovanom Uglješom, ktorý bol despotom v oblasti okolo mesta Serres.

Ili možda ovo (iz Imotskog):

Serbia become very powerful state around that time under Dušan Mighty who wanted to return Hum back to Serbian rule. He was backed by Mladen III who married Dusan's sister Jelena against king Karlo. The wars become especially intense under king Ludovik who was backed by Stjepan II Kotromanić. Stjepan II penetrated into Serbia in 1349. Dušan Mighty retaliated by attacking Bosnia next year, conquering and ransacking it, but failed to capture Bobovac, the ban's capital. He reached all the way to Cetina, passing through Imotski. There is a folk story, most probably true because it is found independently in Serbia, that Dušan took 3 brothers Mrnjavčević, after being impressed with Vukašin Mrnjavčević in a hunting expedition, with him to Serbia and gave them large land holdings in southeastern Serbia with honors.

 

[Pumpaj Dinstanović]

Mene ili boga?

Možda ovo može pomoći: VUKAŠIN Mrnjavčević (Livno ---- -drowned Marica 26 Sep 1371). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Official at the court of Stefan Dušan Tsar of Serbia before 1356. He was appointed Župan in Prilep [1350]. Awarded the title Despot 1364 by Stefan Uroš IV Tsar of Serbia, he was crowned VUKAŠIN King of Serbia [Aug/Sep]1365 as co-ruler although in time he came to act increasingly on his own.

Ili ovo:


Vukašin Mrnjavčević (* okolo 1320, Livno – † 1371 v bitke pri rieke Marica) bol srbský despota a kráľ, ktorý vládol v oblasti dnešného centrálneho a severozápadného Macedónska v rokoch 1365–1371.

Spomína sa v roku 1350 ako prilepský župan. Neskôr mu cár Stefan Uroš V. (alebo Stefan Uroš IV. Dušan) udelil titul despotu. Od roku 1365 bol kráľom ako Urošov vazal, neskôr samostatne. Vládol v oblasti dnešných miest Prizren, Skopje a Prilep. Udrožoval dobré vzťahy so svojim bratom Jovanom Uglješom, ktorý bol despotom v oblasti okolo mesta Serres.

Ili možda ovo (iz Imotskog):

Serbia become very powerful state around that time under Dušan Mighty who wanted to return Hum back to Serbian rule. He was backed by Mladen III who married Dusan's sister Jelena against king Karlo. The wars become especially intense under king Ludovik who was backed by Stjepan II Kotromanić. Stjepan II penetrated into Serbia in 1349. Dušan Mighty retaliated by attacking Bosnia next year, conquering and ransacking it, but failed to capture Bobovac, the ban's capital. He reached all the way to Cetina, passing through Imotski. There is a folk story, most probably true because it is found independently in Serbia, that Dušan took 3 brothers Mrnjavčević, after being impressed with Vukašin Mrnjavčević in a hunting expedition, with him to Serbia and gave them large land holdings in southeastern Serbia with honors.

Ja tebe ništa ne razumijem. Šta ti mene pitaš?!?

 

[Lesandar]

Ja tebe ništa ne razumijem. Šta ti mene pitaš?!?

Ako su Livanjci jesu li Hrvati možda?

 

[Pumpaj Dinstanović]

Ako su Livanjci jesu li Hrvati možda?

Možda, mada mi opet nije jasno zašto me to pitaš.

 

[Lesandar]

Možda, mada mi opet nije jasno zašto me to pitaš.

Pa eto hrvatske dinastije koja je vladala Srbijom

 

[Pumpaj Dinstanović]

Pa eto hrvatske dinastije koja je vladala Srbijom

Zar ne bi to trebali da budu Berislavići (ili Berislalići?)?

 

[sumljiv_tip]

Zar ne bi to trebali da budu Berislavići (ili Berislalići?)?

Zar nisu oni od Borica?

 

[sumljiv_tip]

Zar ne bi to trebali da budu Berislavići (ili Berislalići?)?

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