Pošto vidim da se diskusija vodi po principu "more biti da znači, ali ne mora da bidne" pokušao bih vratiti istu (ne sumnjam da će biti otpora) na polje egzaktnih podataka. Ovo je karta I2a1b1 Dinaric South haplotipova koju sam sam pravio i svaka od ovih crvenih tačkica je konkretan čovjek koji se testirao kao I2a1b1 Dinaric South tj. mogli su se uzeti u obzir samo oni ljudi koji su testirali minimalno 25 markera, samim tim i marker DYS 448 sa vrednošću 19 koji i određuje pripadnost Dinaric South. Po proračunima Nordtvedta, Verenića, ali i nekih drugih starost ove podgrupe je 1800-2000 godina, tj. tad je otprilike živio predak od kog su svi potekli. Dinaric South je samim tim mlađi ogranak veće Dinaric grupacije, pa bi se uslovno moglo reći da se Dinaric South izdvojio iz opšte mase Dinaric prije 1800 godina. Dinaric North, koji je stariji, predstavlja tek 1/3 srpskog Dinarica dok Dinaric South predstavlja dvotrećinsku većinu (dovoljnu za promjenu Ustava ako zatreba).
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Kao prvo, nije tačno da je I2a1b1 Dinaric South više zastupljen kod Hrvata nego kod Srba. Rezultati gore predstavljenih haplotipova(a to su gotovo svi haplotipovi koji se mogu naći u javnim bazama) pokazuju sledeću zastupljenost:
"I would like to give some statistics about map I posted. That also could be helpful for making some conclusions.
There was 62 unique South haplotype which I could find, and this is ethnic background of tested individuals:
Serb - 13- 21 %
German - 10- 16 %
Croat - 9- 14,5%
Pole - 7- 11,3%
Italian - 4- 6,5%
Slovak- 4- 6,5%
Czech - 3- 5 %
Ukrainian- 2- 3,2%
Russian- 2- 3,2%
Hungarians- 2- 3,2%
Bosnian muslim- 2- 3,2%
Belorussian- 1- 1,6%
Macedonian Slav- 1- 1,6%
Bulgarian- 1- 1,6%
Romanian- 1- 1,6%
Considering this we can conclude that most tested Dinaric Souths are Serbs.
From above:
Slavic 45- 72,6 %
Other 17- 27,4 %
Considering this we can very surely conclude that ethnic background of this group is Slavic.
South Slavic 26- 58%
West Slavic 14- 31%
East Slavic 5- 11%
Considering this we can conclude that Souths are present mostly in West and South Slavic group. "
Na osnovu gornjih podataka i analize svih haplotipova napravio sam kartu mogućih srpskih seoba, koja je doduše već kačena ovdje
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Ako čovjek posmatra samo kartu, a ne udubljuje se dublje u materiju to može da ga odvede u pogrešne zaključke. Recimo tako gleda moju kartu i vidi crvene tačkice po Hrvatskoj i pomisli da su to Hrvati sa haplogrupom Dinaric, kad ne lezi vraže a ono tamo krajiški Srbi: Slijepčević, Jerković, Kukić itd.
Uzgred da kažem da sam svaki gore pomenuti haplotip pozicionirao po mjestu porijekla koji su sami ljudi koji su se testirali naveli. Bio je to mukotrpan posao skupiti sve to, provjeriti ali sam bar došao do nekih rezultata.
Molio bih sve one koji, bogotovo braću nam sa primorja da opovrgnu ovo gore činjenicama, a ne paušalnim rečenicama...Ako ih već tematika interesuje i žele da diskutuju.
U prilogu još jedan nepreveden doduše prilog koji pojašnjava gornju kartu:
Serbs as a "natione" a first mentioned as Surbi living between Elbe and Saale in nowadayas German province of Saxony by Fredegar in 7th century
He (Dervan, serbian leader) is mentioned by Fredegar in his Latin chronicle as dux gente Surbiorum que ex genere Sclavinorum.
Next mentioning of Serbs was Einhard in Anales Regni Francorum in 9th century which with same name Sorabos designate both the Serbs in Saxonia and the Serbs in Dalmatia.
[*816] DCCCXVI. Hieme transacta Saxones et orientales Franci expeditionem in Sorabos Sclavos
[822] DCCCXXII. Item in parte orientali Saxoniae, quae Sorabo*rum finibus contigua est,
[822] DCCCXXII. ad cuius adventum Liudewitus Siscia civitate relicta ad Sorabos, quae natio magnam Dalmatiae partem optinere dicitur,
So for Einhard in 822. Serbs are nation which held a great part of province of Dalmatia, and the same Sorabos lived in Saxonia.
This is how Constantine Porfirogenitus in his work De administrando imperio from 9th century describes migration of the Serbs from north to south in 7th century:
"The Serbs are descended from the unbaptized Serbs, also called 'white', who live beyond Turkey in a place called by them Boiki, where their neighbour is Francia, as is also Great Croatia, the unbaptized, also called 'white': in this place, then, these Serbs also originally dwelt. But when two brothers succeeded their father in the rule of Serbia, one of them, taking a moiety of the folk, claimed the protection of Heraclius, the emperor of the Romans, and the same emperor Heraclius received him and gave him a place in the province of Thessalonica to settle in, namely Serbia, which from that time has acquired this denomination."...
..."Now, after some time these same Serbs decided to depart to their own homes, and the emperor sent them off. But when they had crossed the river Danube, they changed their minds and sent a request to the emperor Heraclius, through the military governor then governing Belgrade, that he would grant them other land to settle in."...
..."And since what is now Rascia (Serbia) and Pagania and the so-called country of the Zachlumi and Trebounia and the country of the Kanalites were under the dominion of the emperor of the Romans, and since these countries had been made desolate by the Avars (for they had expelled from those parts the Romans who now live in Dalmatia and Dyrrachium), therefore the emperor settled these same Serbs in these countries, and they were subject to the emperor of the Romans; and the emperor brought elders from Rome and baptized them and taught them fairly to perform the works of piety and expounded to them the faith of the Christians."...
..."And since Bulgaria was beneath the dominion of the Romans * * * when, therefore, that same Serbian prince died who had claimed the emperor's protection, his son ruled in succession, and thereafter his grandson, and in like manner the succeeding princes from his family"...
So the Serbs namely settled regions of Serbia, Pagania, Zachlumia and Trebounia.
