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It is not just slavic or indoeuropean languages in general.
In Greece you can find many non indoeuropean toponyms and some of them already existed when the first indoeuropean tribes came to the Balkans.

For example Larisa, a toponym that already existed when the first greek tribes came. It is probably from the semitic article al/el or l' and the semitic word aricha or arissa, meaning "the palace" or "the fortress". Note that the Minoans and the Myceneans mostly belonged to the semitic haplogroups J2 and J1 and that, according to many "myths" of the ancient Greeks, they had ancestry from Egypt, Anatolia and the Midddle East (some studies have proved that they most probably passed through the islands from Anatolia to mainland Greece and Crete).
They also try to find some greek etymology for such pre-hellenic toponyms. :D

There are myths that connect the Mycenaean Greeks with Egypt and the Middle East?
 
It is not just slavic or indoeuropean languages in general.
In Greece you can find many non indoeuropean toponyms and some of them already existed when the first indoeuropean tribes came to the Balkans.

For example Larisa, a toponym that already existed when the first greek tribes came. It is probably from the semitic article al/el or l' and the semitic word aricha or arissa, meaning "the palace" or "the fortress". Note that the Minoans and the Myceneans mostly belonged to the semitic haplogroups J2 and J1 and that, according to many "myths" of the ancient Greeks, they had ancestry from Egypt, Anatolia and the Midddle East (some studies have proved that they most probably passed through the islands from Anatolia to mainland Greece and Crete).
They also try to find some greek etymology for such pre-hellenic toponyms. :D
AELarisa, are you serb or greek or greek of slav origin ?
 
Minoans are old europeans I hg, and have nothing to do with semits and today's Greeks J hg, infiltrated lies and propaganda is what you write.
Here serbian-slavic words of Minoans on their stones, study.

http://www.korenine.si/zborniki/zbornik09/seraf_ht13.pdf

Not really.

From this study
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...tnik/83c75c659e9d476728f57dd23459195fd63047a1

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See also:

Minoans and Mycenaeans Descended from Anatolian Migrants, Ancient DNA Study Suggests


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There are myths that connect the Mycenaean Greeks with Egypt and the Middle East?

Danaos from Egypt, the mythical king of Achaeans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danaus

Pelops from Phrygia (central Anatolia), after whom Peloponessos was named (the "island of Pelops").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelops

Cadmus from Phoenicia (probably greek version of the semitic name Qadam).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmus

AELarisa, are you serb or greek or greek of slav origin ?

I am Greek, but i definitely have Serbian and Slavic -in general- ancestry. My last name is Serbian and the village where i come from was a Serbian settlement.
 
This is semitic finansed complete fraud presented as study, and you are obviously pushing this lies and propaganda.
I read study few years ago (DNA of sceleton samples) and all Minoans were I y-hg and largest MtDNA haplogroup H.
Last several months when I searched for study I couldn't find, study is deleted censored all over internet.
Minoans are of old european Serb origin (I haplogroup), and spoke old serbian-slavic as all old europeans.
"indo-europan" is fraud and wrong clasification. Old europeans 4,5,6 thousands years ago spoke oldserbian oldslavic.
 
This is semitic finansed complete fraud presented as study, and you are obviously pushing this lies and propaganda.
I read study few years ago (DNA of sceleton samples) and all Minoans were I y-hg and largest MtDNA haplogroup H.
Last several months when I searched for study I couldn't find, study is deleted censored all over internet.
Minoans are of old european Serb origin (I haplogroup), and spoke old serbian-slavic as all old europeans.
"indo-europan" is fraud and wrong clasification. Old europeans 4,5,6 thousands years ago spoke oldserbian oldslavic.

Herodotus, the "Father of History" was financed by Semites to do propaganda??

He says all those stories of the Egyptian and Phoenician ancestry of ancient Greeks.

He also claims that the ancient greek religion was a copy of the Egyptian.

Go blame Herodotus for propaganda then. :p
 
Even among today's Greek population old european Serbian genetic is stong in certain places, there are Greeks that are more european Serb slavic and Greeks that are more non-european. Macedonian Greeks, Crete (who have highest I+R1a frequency of all greeks) have bigger genetic distance to other Greeks.

Herodotus wrote many fairytales. As one historian said "Herodotus wrote many ludacris stories, when put to scrutiny half things Herodotus wrote must vanish from real history, because it's mega bs."
 
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Even among today's Greek population old european Serbian genetic is stong in certain places, there are Greeks that are more european Serb slavic and Greeks that are more non-european. Macedonian Greeks, Crete (who have highest I+R1a frequency of all greeks) have bigger genetic distance to other Greeks.

Herodotus wrote many fairytales. As one historian said "Herodotus wrote many ludacris stories, when put to scrutiny half things Herodotus wrote must vanish from real history, because it's mega bs."

Crete is J2 dominated, just like bronze age times.

Who says Crete has too much I or R1a?

Haplogroup-J2.jpg




And what about the Phrygian language, the "lost brother" of the Greek language?
Why is it today the Armenian language thought to be the closest relative of Greek?
What was between Greece and Armenia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_language

Note that according to some new findings, the phrygian alphabet was older than the greek (both of them being similar and being "children" of the phoenician). So, it is very possible that Phrygians took it from the Phoenicians and then Phrygians passed it to Greeks.


Had serbians been coming in your place during dusan's empire ?

Yes, the most probable explanation is that they came at that time.

It was very usual for empires of that time to move populations faithful to them to their borders. And eastern Thessaly was one of the borders.

But the archives of the Serbian governors of Thessaly were not saved, so we don't know for sure. I don't know if there is any information about it in Serbia, but i guess there is not.
 
Minoans were old europeans (Serbs) and genetic and lingvistic prooves this. I posted study to you, and you deny and write your bs.
Greeks are geneticaly most nonhomogenous heterogenous european people, they have sharp autosomal genetic differences among themselves.
One part of Greeks have largest european components (those who are mostly descendants od Serbs-minoans), and other largest non-european components with smaller european component.
Today's genetic of Crete is not same as in time of Minoans.
 
It is not just slavic or indoeuropean languages in general.
In Greece you can find many non indoeuropean toponyms and some of them already existed when the first indoeuropean tribes came to the Balkans.

For example Larisa, a toponym that already existed when the first greek tribes came. It is probably from the semitic article al/el or l' and the semitic word aricha or arissa, meaning "the palace" or "the fortress". Note that the Minoans and the Myceneans mostly belonged to the semitic haplogroups J2 and J1 and that, according to many "myths" of the ancient Greeks, they had ancestry from Egypt, Anatolia and the Midddle East (some studies have proved that they most probably passed through the islands from Anatolia to mainland Greece and Crete).
They also try to find some greek etymology for such pre-hellenic toponyms. :D

Very interesting but note that:

"Many people new to Genetic Genealogy think the J2 haplogroup is synonymous with having male Jewish ancestry. One should note that having a J2 haplogroup assignment does not necessarily indicate Jewish ancestry. The J2 haplogroup is far more ancient than the Jewish religion and is found in many lines with Mediterranean region ancient ancestry. Another relatively more recent mode for J2's entry into some parts of Europe from the Mediterranean areas could have been the Roman Legions and Roman settlements."

"J2 has been traced back to the area between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea that comprises territory in northwestern Iraq and Iran, eastern Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. One theory offered for the presence of J2 in northern England is the presence of Roman auxiliary soldiers stationed on Hadrian's Wall. It has been suggested that the original J2 ancestor of our Robson member may have been a Sarmatian horseman in the Roman legions."

"Research conducted by the administrators of the Border Reivers DNA Project has identified numerous haplotypes in persons of British descent that show Haplotype 35 markers. Moreover, most of these haplotypes appear to originate from areas of Britain near the Antonine Wall, Hadrian's Wall and other places of Roman fortification or settlement. These areas include Galloway, Dumfries, Ayrshire and The Borders in Scotland, and Cumbria, Yorkshire, Lancashire, Shropshire and Staffordshire in England. Many of the Roman troops stationed in these areas came from Southeastern Europe or Western Asia. They included Sarmatians, Dacians, Goths, Syrians, Mesopotamians, Thracians and Anatolians. The Capelli study has shown that these areas also exhibit higher than average frequencies of haplogroups E3b and J2, neither of which is native to Britain. E3b is found most commonly in North Africa, Iberia, the Mediterranean and the Near East, and J2 occurs most frequently in the Near East, the Mediterranean and Western Asia. The fact that all three groups - E3b, J2 and Haplotype 35 - have a similar origin in territories of the Roman Empire, and occur at comparable frequencies in parts of Britain with a known history of Roman settlement, suggests that they arrived in Britain through the same means."

"The Greek and Phoenician presence also brought J2 into France and of course the Roman period also would have been a major contributor of Haplogroup J2 into what is today, France. So although, rare, Haplogroup J2 can be found in local populations throughout France and Spain."

"Romans surely helped spread haplogroup J2 across its borders, judging from the distribution of J2 within Europe (frequency over 5%) wich bears an uncanny resemblance to the borders of the Roman Empire."

https://forums.familytreedna.com/fo...s/17298-y-dna-haplogroup-j2-m172-quotes-links

:) I have a stake in this ... being a J2.
 
URL:
https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Σπαρτιά_Αχαΐας

Spartia is a small village in Achaia, Peloponnesus. The village was founded by Vlachs from Aspropotamos. The old, original name of the village was Grevena, Greveno (Γρεβενά, Γρεβενό) and it was subsequently renamed to Spartia.

In the wikipedia link we learn that the village Greveno was founded by "Aspropotamites who descended to Achaia after the rebellion of the Vlachs of Kalambaka against the Turks in 1611".
 
For example Larisa, a toponym that already existed when the first greek tribes came. It is probably from the semitic article al/el or l' and the semitic word aricha or arissa, meaning "the palace" or "the fortress". Note that the Minoans and the Myceneans mostly belonged to the semitic haplogroups J2 and J1 and that, according to many "myths" of the ancient Greeks, they had ancestry from Egypt, Anatolia and the Midddle East , (some studies have proved that they most probably passed through the islands from Anatolia to mainland Greece and Crete).
Herodotus, the "Father of History" was financed by Semites to do propaganda??
He says all those stories of the Egyptian and Phoenician ancestry of ancient Greeks.
He also claims that the ancient greek religion was a copy of the Egyptian.
Go blame Herodotus for propaganda then. :p

Once upon a time, two brothers- Egypt and Danai - made a war .Danai, the defeated one, took boats and, with his army, went across the see

DANAUS was the son of King Belus of Egypt ...He was the twin brother of Aegyptus, king of Arabia ...Danaus elected to flee instead, and to that purpose, he built a ship, the first ship that ever was.[5] In it, he fled to Argos

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AELarisa,

Would you be able to provide a concise summary/translation of the screenshots below? Thanks.

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‘‘So, in Argolis and Nafplio at the beginning of 17th century the inhabitants are Romani and most probably aromanian speakers, as at the years -beginning of 19th century- when Cousinery discovered that they still speak aromanian and call themselves Romuni.

The inhabitants of Mani live on mountain Pentadaktylon [= five finger mountain], bringing in mind the hand, as Aromanians (mana) and Arvanitovlachs (maina) call it, a fact that confirms who were the ones that gave the name to Mani.

The arvanitovlach karaguni villages at Acheloos river of Aetoloacarnania, that later was renamed Paliomanina, and tradition says that they were the first inhabitants of Peloponnese's Mani. In the language of those Karaguni there are the words mani(a) = forest, vountari = tree, vountouri = huge not accessible forest area.

Laonikos Halkokondylis says about the Vlachs of Peloponnese that they lived on mountain Taygetos and Tainaron of Laconia. The fact that some researchers note some common customs among Arvanitovlach inhabitants of village Kefalovryso in Ioannina and the inhabitants of Mani is one more confirmation of who were the first inhabitants and name givers of Mani and definitely not Slavs.‘‘


PS. Mani is most probably Albanian/Arvanite name, named after mulberry tree (probably related to the greek name Morias, name of the exact same tree that was all over that place).
 
Very interesting but note that:

"Many people new to Genetic Genealogy think the J2 haplogroup is synonymous with having male Jewish ancestry. One should note that having a J2 haplogroup assignment does not necessarily indicate Jewish ancestry. The J2 haplogroup is far more ancient than the Jewish religion and is found in many lines with Mediterranean region ancient ancestry. Another relatively more recent mode for J2's entry into some parts of Europe from the Mediterranean areas could have been the Roman Legions and Roman settlements."

"J2 has been traced back to the area between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea that comprises territory in northwestern Iraq and Iran, eastern Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. One theory offered for the presence of J2 in northern England is the presence of Roman auxiliary soldiers stationed on Hadrian's Wall. It has been suggested that the original J2 ancestor of our Robson member may have been a Sarmatian horseman in the Roman legions."

"Research conducted by the administrators of the Border Reivers DNA Project has identified numerous haplotypes in persons of British descent that show Haplotype 35 markers. Moreover, most of these haplotypes appear to originate from areas of Britain near the Antonine Wall, Hadrian's Wall and other places of Roman fortification or settlement. These areas include Galloway, Dumfries, Ayrshire and The Borders in Scotland, and Cumbria, Yorkshire, Lancashire, Shropshire and Staffordshire in England. Many of the Roman troops stationed in these areas came from Southeastern Europe or Western Asia. They included Sarmatians, Dacians, Goths, Syrians, Mesopotamians, Thracians and Anatolians. The Capelli study has shown that these areas also exhibit higher than average frequencies of haplogroups E3b and J2, neither of which is native to Britain. E3b is found most commonly in North Africa, Iberia, the Mediterranean and the Near East, and J2 occurs most frequently in the Near East, the Mediterranean and Western Asia. The fact that all three groups - E3b, J2 and Haplotype 35 - have a similar origin in territories of the Roman Empire, and occur at comparable frequencies in parts of Britain with a known history of Roman settlement, suggests that they arrived in Britain through the same means."

"The Greek and Phoenician presence also brought J2 into France and of course the Roman period also would have been a major contributor of Haplogroup J2 into what is today, France. So although, rare, Haplogroup J2 can be found in local populations throughout France and Spain."

"Romans surely helped spread haplogroup J2 across its borders, judging from the distribution of J2 within Europe (frequency over 5%) wich bears an uncanny resemblance to the borders of the Roman Empire."

https://forums.familytreedna.com/fo...s/17298-y-dna-haplogroup-j2-m172-quotes-links

:) I have a stake in this ... being a J2.

I said semitic, not jewish.
Jews are Semites, but not every Semite is a Jew.
Semites are also Assyrians, Phoenicians, Arabs and many others.

J2 has the highest frequency in places around Middle East and nearby countries, so the initial source must have been somewhere in the M. East.

Romans and today's Italians have a significant percentage of J2, but it is not mainly an Italian haplogroup. Turkey, Syria, Iran, Armenia, Greece, Albania have more.
 
Once upon a time, two brothers- Egypt and Danai - made a war .Danai, the defeated one, took boats and, with his army, went across the see



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There seems to be a link between Hebrew Dan tribe and Danans / Danaoi.

The Dan tribe according to recent archaeological findings seems to have a strong connection with the Aegean sea and Argos city (the acropolis of Argos was named "Larisa" by the way ;) ). They were probably mercenaries from places of the East Mediterranean hired by the Egyptians, that later turned their weapons against Egypt and joined the "Sea Peoples" attacking Egypt, but Egypt defeated them and they fled to some "islands" (probably the Greek islands).


Read this: Tribe of Dan: Sons of Israel, or of Greek Mercenaries Hired by Egypt?
 
Another example of Phoenician toponym is the island of Thasos.

According to Pausanias the first inhabitants of the island were Phoenicians led there by their king Thasos (after whom the island was named).

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Pausanias, 5.25.12. "The Thasians, that always have been Phoenicians by descent, and sailed from Tyre and rest of Phoenicia, together with Thasos the son of Agenor, in search of Europa, dedicated to Herakles at Olympia, the pedestal as well as the image being of bronze. The height of the image is ten cubits, and he holds a club in his right hand and a bow in his left. I heard in Thasos that they used to worship the same Heracles as the Tyrians, but that afterwards, when they were included among the Greeks, they adopted the worship of Heracles the son of Amphitryon."
 
‘‘So, in Argolis and Nafplio at the beginning of 17th century the inhabitants are Romani and most probably aromanian speakers, as at the years -beginning of 19th century- when Cousinery discovered that they still speak aromanian and call themselves Romuni.

The inhabitants of Mani live on mountain Pentadaktylon [= five finger mountain], bringing in mind the hand, as Aromanians (mana) and Arvanitovlachs (maina) call it, a fact that confirms who were the ones that gave the name to Mani.

The arvanitovlach karaguni villages at Acheloos river of Aetoloacarnania, that later was renamed Paliomanina, and tradition says that they were the first inhabitants of Peloponnese's Mani. In the language of those Karaguni there are the words mani(a) = forest, vountari = tree, vountouri = huge not accessible forest area.

Laonikos Halkokondylis says about the Vlachs of Peloponnese that they lived on mountain Taygetos and Tainaron of Laconia. The fact that some researchers note some common customs among Arvanitovlach inhabitants of village Kefalovryso in Ioannina and the inhabitants of Mani is one more confirmation of who were the first inhabitants and name givers of Mani and definitely not Slavs.‘‘


PS. Mani is most probably Albanian/Arvanite name, named after mulberry tree (probably related to the greek name Morias, name of the exact same tree that was all over that place).

Much obliged :ok:
 
Σέρβος (Peloponez selo Serbos), Διαβολίτσι(Djavolići, selo na Peloponezu), Γοράνοι (Gorani, selo na Peloponezu), Γολά (Gola isto Peloponez), Πολοβίτσα (Polovica), Βασιλάκη (Vasilaći, selo na Peloponezu), Γκορίτσα (Gorica, selo na Peloponezu), Πετρίνα (Petrinja, ima ih vise na Peloponezu), Ρόδινα (Rodina), Σμέρνα (Smerna selo), Δροβολοβό (Drovolovo), Πλατανίτσα (Platanica), Πλατάνι (Platani) - spisak je podugačak....ajmo malo po Tesaliji, blize centralnoj Srbiji iliti FYRM Σέρβια (Serbija), Γρεβενά (Grebenati vunu), Λιβάδι (Livadi), Σέλο (Selo !! :)), Νικολίτσι (Nikolići), Γαρδίκι (Gardići), Πρέβεζα (Preveza), Καισαρειά (Ćesarija), Σκοτίνα (Skotina ispod Olimpa), Τσαριτσάνη (Caričani), Βασιλικη (Vasilići, selo u Tesaliji, ima i letovalište na Peloponezu)
 
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