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Tebe nije rajcalo kad je Danke Deutschland nahuškala Klintona na Srbe?
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KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
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Smanjena očekivanja od hiljadu prvog Wunderwaffe-a po redu? Sad ih odjednom nedovoljan broj? Kada će, i da li će ikada uopšte i moći izvesni da svare činjenicu da je ‘99-te Zapad u vazduhu imao brojčanu nadmoć nad Srbijom od 100:1? F-16 vs Su-35 & MiG-31, R-37 i da ne pominjemo. Teorija 12+12 će vrlo brzo boti testirana u praksi.
@Urvan Hroboatos, @Mej bregami, @Marin83, @Mstislav, @Patata Caliente, @Frtajler, može mišljenje povodom ove bogohulne izjave Zelenskog?
„Проблем са Ф-16“, рекао је украјински председник, „су број и датуми“.
Украјински председник је рекао да због тога што Русија користи толико борбених авиона „на територији Украјине“, мали број Ф-16 неће направити разлику.
Western-provided F-16 fighter jets are on their way to Ukraine and set to start flying missions later this summer.
But they might not yet be enough to make a difference on the battlefield, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy indicated in a discussion this week on what Ukraine needs, comparing the jets to the US-made Abrams tanks that Ukraine got last fall.
When the Fox News host Bret Baier asked him at the Reagan Institute whether the 31 Abrams Ukraine received as its counteroffensive was already stumbling made a difference, Zelenskyy said, "I'm not sure that such number of tanks can change the situation on the battlefield."
Speaking in Washington, DC, on Wednesday as the NATO summit was underway, he said, "It's like the dialogue about F-16," adding that usefulness came down, in some ways, to numbers and timing.
"We always wait, like my mother waited me after school," Zelenskyy said. "This is the same but much more serious."
"The problem with F-16," the Ukrainian president said, "is the number and the dates."
The Ukrainian President said that because Russia was operating so many combat aircraft "on the territory of Ukraine," small numbers of F-16s wouldn't make a difference.
"Even if we will have 50, it's nothing. They have 300. Because we are defending, we need 128," he said, adding that unless Ukraine had that amount of F-16s, they wouldn't "compare with them in the sky." He said that "it will be difficult."
As Zelenskyy noted, his concerns about the number of F-16s coming and the timing of those deliveries mirror conversations surrounding the US-provided Abrams tanks, which arrived in Ukraine last fall. The US sent only 31 M1A1 Abrams in total, and they were delivered to Ukraine months after British and German tanks.
The Abrams is recognized as a "tank killer" and celebrated for its lethality and heavy armor. It has a fearsome reputation, particularly given its exploits in the Gulf War in the early 1990s. Defense experts and former tank operators have praised the Abrams' capabilities, noting that it's far superior to any Russian tank.
But the Abrams hasn't been able to fight the battles it was made for in Ukraine, where massed armored assaults haven't been an option and tank-on-tank combat is uncommon. It also faces threats from drones, anti-tank weapons, and mines, and it's a high-profile target available in only limited numbers.
For comparison, Ukraine received about 300 US-made Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, nearly 10 times the number of Abrams sent.
Zelenskyy's comments followed the announcement from the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, earlier Wednesday that the first transfer of F-16 fighters to Ukraine — coming from Denmark and the Netherlands — was underway.
"Those jets will be flying in the skies of Ukraine this summer to make sure that Ukraine can continue to effectively defend itself against Russian aggression," he said at the NATO public forum.
The arrival of the fourth-generation aircraft will be important for Ukraine as an upgrade over Kyiv's Soviet-era air power and another marker of closer relations with the West. But there have been questions surrounding how useful the fighters will be on the battlefield and whether there will be enough jets and trained pilots to make a difference. There have also been concerns they may be coming significantly later than when Ukraine needed them most.
The West has attributed the long road to getting F-16s to Ukraine to complicated logistics.
@Urvan Hroboatos, @Mej bregami, @Marin83, @Mstislav, @Patata Caliente, @Frtajler, može mišljenje povodom ove bogohulne izjave Zelenskog?
„Проблем са Ф-16“, рекао је украјински председник, „су број и датуми“.
Украјински председник је рекао да због тога што Русија користи толико борбених авиона „на територији Украјине“, мали број Ф-16 неће направити разлику.
Western-provided F-16 fighter jets are on their way to Ukraine and set to start flying missions later this summer.
But they might not yet be enough to make a difference on the battlefield, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy indicated in a discussion this week on what Ukraine needs, comparing the jets to the US-made Abrams tanks that Ukraine got last fall.
When the Fox News host Bret Baier asked him at the Reagan Institute whether the 31 Abrams Ukraine received as its counteroffensive was already stumbling made a difference, Zelenskyy said, "I'm not sure that such number of tanks can change the situation on the battlefield."
Speaking in Washington, DC, on Wednesday as the NATO summit was underway, he said, "It's like the dialogue about F-16," adding that usefulness came down, in some ways, to numbers and timing.
"We always wait, like my mother waited me after school," Zelenskyy said. "This is the same but much more serious."
"The problem with F-16," the Ukrainian president said, "is the number and the dates."
The Ukrainian President said that because Russia was operating so many combat aircraft "on the territory of Ukraine," small numbers of F-16s wouldn't make a difference.
"Even if we will have 50, it's nothing. They have 300. Because we are defending, we need 128," he said, adding that unless Ukraine had that amount of F-16s, they wouldn't "compare with them in the sky." He said that "it will be difficult."
As Zelenskyy noted, his concerns about the number of F-16s coming and the timing of those deliveries mirror conversations surrounding the US-provided Abrams tanks, which arrived in Ukraine last fall. The US sent only 31 M1A1 Abrams in total, and they were delivered to Ukraine months after British and German tanks.
The Abrams is recognized as a "tank killer" and celebrated for its lethality and heavy armor. It has a fearsome reputation, particularly given its exploits in the Gulf War in the early 1990s. Defense experts and former tank operators have praised the Abrams' capabilities, noting that it's far superior to any Russian tank.
But the Abrams hasn't been able to fight the battles it was made for in Ukraine, where massed armored assaults haven't been an option and tank-on-tank combat is uncommon. It also faces threats from drones, anti-tank weapons, and mines, and it's a high-profile target available in only limited numbers.
For comparison, Ukraine received about 300 US-made Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, nearly 10 times the number of Abrams sent.
Zelenskyy's comments followed the announcement from the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, earlier Wednesday that the first transfer of F-16 fighters to Ukraine — coming from Denmark and the Netherlands — was underway.
"Those jets will be flying in the skies of Ukraine this summer to make sure that Ukraine can continue to effectively defend itself against Russian aggression," he said at the NATO public forum.
The arrival of the fourth-generation aircraft will be important for Ukraine as an upgrade over Kyiv's Soviet-era air power and another marker of closer relations with the West. But there have been questions surrounding how useful the fighters will be on the battlefield and whether there will be enough jets and trained pilots to make a difference. There have also been concerns they may be coming significantly later than when Ukraine needed them most.
The West has attributed the long road to getting F-16s to Ukraine to complicated logistics.
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Sto se ljutis ne zna covek geografiju?
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Nije to nikakav blam, nece ukrajinski Rusi da ratuju protiv Rusa ne bih ni ja da sam u njihovoj kozi ili mozda zelis da kazes da u Ukrajini nema 8-9 miliona Rusa kao sto je utvrdjeno na popisu?
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To je u Americi dobro poznato, samo CNN ne želi o tome.Медведев: Русија је могла да ступи у НАТО, а онда се десило бомбардовање Београда...
17.07.2024.
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Улазак Русије у НАТО након распада СССР-а могао је да буде један од сценарија развоја догађаја, изјавио је заменик шефа руског Савета безбедности Русије Дмитриј Медведев.
„Након распада Совјетског Савеза, Русија је кренула ка зближавању са Западом. Улазак наше земље у НАТО могао је да буде један од сценарије развоја догађаја", рекао је он у интервјуу порталу "Аргументи и факти".
Поента је била да се пронађе прилика да се смање поделе Европе на супротстављене војне блокове, како би се превазишле последице Хладног рата и пронашла заједничка идеја као основа за јачање колективне безбедности, приметио је Медведев.
„Та шанса је пропуштена. Догађаји у Југославији и бомбардовање Београда, уз кршење свих норми међународног права, коначно су развејали некадашње илузије. Иако, ја мислим, да нас, као наследника СССР, и деведесетих година не би примили у Алијансу. То је застрашујуће, опасно: јер она је велика, иако ослабљена, огромна, али непредвидива земља“, рекао је Медведев.
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Pa ti si skroz skrenuo od Indexa i Jutarnjeg, pa još veeuješ RTL i N1. Nema tu pomoći…
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Teze ce se greske malog narcisa obiti o glavu Rusa nego Bajdenove Amerima, strpi se pa ces se uveriti.
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Evo ti i formalni casus belli: zašto tih 12 + 12 i ostatak celog jednog carrier air wing-a ne prekinu rusko elektronsko ometanje iznad celog istoka EU kad je uspeh izvestan? Kažeš dovoljno 12 + 12 pa da ovo prestane, pa šta još čekaš? Ovde se polomi dokazujući da “može”, ako Kongres zateže eto i britanske HMS Queen Elizabeth, tu ima sve što je potrebno, a uz to i 36 komada F-35, 50% više od tih potrebnih 24, čekate da je poprave?
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/ew-ukraine-space-force-training-electronic-warfare-leader-says/
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Osećamo nemoćnu mržnju Đuro, šta ćeš, vaš trenutak već prolazi…
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Ukrajina stoji prilicno lose, NATO odlicno a Rusija ni lose ni dobro puzi i tezgari.
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Zelis smrt mladicu koji pomaze ranjenicima da li zelis smrt i onoj Hrvatici koja leci ruske ranjenike? Jadnice.
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Rusi napravili brodove koji se mogu koristiti samo kad nema pretnje takve mega mornarice koju ima Ukrajina.
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Zamisli samo, isto su uradile USA i UK kada su se susrele sa moćnom mornaricom Jemenskih HutaRusi napravili brodove koji se mogu koristiti samo kad nema pretnje takve mega mornarice koju ima Ukrajina.
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Dobro si zapazioZamisli samo, isto su uradile USA i UK kada su se susrele sa moćnom mornaricom Jemenskih Huta
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Oni jesu rotiv mira kakav Putin nudi.
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Putin je nudio mnogo bolje mirove, sve su ih odbili. Naredni će biti još gori.
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Previse cesto upotrebljavas rec mrznja, mislim da joj ne znas znacenje. Tvoju aroganciju prema Ukrajincima. u postovima nikd nisam smatrao mrznjom vec nedorasloscu
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Ароганција према Украјинцима???
И зашто би неко мрзио недораслу и ретардирану земљу, која је умјесто да се позиционира између запада и Русије, добро профитира јер музе и једне и друге, ипак одлучила да се жртвује за неке западне глобалистичке неоконске интересе и при томе се славно схебала, све уз поклич "Слава Украини "!
Реално је то више за жаљење, него за мржњу !
šta kažu demokracija?...malo morgen
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Одвратан лик, одвратна боја гласа.
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