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Kralj Aleksandar (ne Veliki) je učestvovao na igrama i morao je dokazati da je Grk da bi mu dali, što je uspješno i učinio!
Ko?
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Да ли ме зајебаваш?
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Naravno da ne.
ZIGOMAR!
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Око 300 година је разлика између ''Краља'' Карана и Краља Александра, њихово ''грчко'' порекло је и за оно време било митолошко (Чак се помиње да воде порекло од Херакла
)''Охмућевићев грбовник је настао у периоду између 1584. и 1594. године за потребе Петра (Педра) Охмућевића и у њему се налазе, највероватније за ту прилику, измишљени грбови јужнословенских и балканских земаља и он представља почетак стварања тзв. „илирских грбовника“ који су махом копије овог.
Петар, који је био адмирал шпанске „Непобедиве армаде“, наручио га је, а можда чак и сам направио, да би доказао припадност своје породице племству на Балканском полуострву односно да му то наводно право буде потврђено и у краљевини Шпанији.''
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E. Badian, Department of History, Harvard University
http://www.gate.net/~mango/Badian.htm
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hahahahahahah,a jel to B u BJR makedinja znaci bivsa ili buduca jugoslovenska republika makedonija??!!
hahaha,koji su nesretnici ti makedonci,strasno!!
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Око 300 година је разлика између ''Краља'' Карана и Краља Александра, њихово ''грчко'' порекло је и за оно време било митолошко (Чак се помиње да воде порекло од Херакла
''Охмућевићев грбовник је настао у периоду између 1584. и 1594. године за потребе Петра (Педра) Охмућевића и у њему се налазе, највероватније за ту прилику, измишљени грбови јужнословенских и балканских земаља и он представља почетак стварања тзв. „илирских грбовника“ који су махом копије овог.
Петар, који је био адмирал шпанске „Непобедиве армаде“, наручио га је, а можда чак и сам направио, да би доказао припадност своје породице племству на Балканском полуострву односно да му то наводно право буде потврђено и у краљевини Шпанији.''
ZIGOMAR!, ovdje se ne raspravlja o etničkom porijeklu, već o njihovoj trenutnoj nacionalnoj pripadnosti.
Makedonska dinastija nije morala biti helenskog porijekla, a Makedonci kao narod nikako nisu porijeklom od Grka, naroda koji je živio južnije od njih; ali to Makedonce helenističkoga doba ne može 'de-grcizirati'!
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Šta je tu objašnjeno?
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Ако не знаш Енглески није проблем..научићеш...
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Znam i engleski i još po koji...ali ne vidim na šta misliš.
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Правимо се луди...тако можемо до сутра..
Грци и Македонци одвојен народ...
Грци се бунили зашто Александар учествује а није грк..већ варварин...
ZIGOMAR!
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Сандански, јел су македонски научници пронашли неке индиције да је ''хеленистичка'' култура била спој македонског и грчког?
Јасно се види данас, да су македонци у античком добу били део грчког културног ''круга'', када су дошли до Индије они нису ништа о себи оставили, остао је само култ личности, култ о Александру али ништа о Македонцима и њиховој културуи, све је то било скоро грчко, или пак имаш друге информације Сандански?
Такође је могуће да су индиције о македонској култури уништени у Александрији и да су уздизањем грко-римског Хришћанства уништени сви не-хеленски ''пагански'' објекти, списи итд.
Када узмемо у обзир да куда год је римско-грчка (Хришћанска) нога крочила (окупирала) ту више није остало ништа од културе и религије окупираног, на територији римског царства сем неолитски грађевина нема никаквих видљивих трагова пре-хришћанске европе (сем наравно хеленистичке).
А опет... где су ''македонски'' топоними, имена и живи остатак македонске културе у другим народима??
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Tako je, a onda je 'dokazao' da je Grk (ne znam šta je radio, je li izvadio ličnu kartu
ili šta god, nebitno) I mogao da učestvuje.
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Индија - Калаши и Хунза....Племе из тог времена.....Питај њих....
Ено грке су отерали када су дошли да им кажу да су грци..
А ови им рекли - ми смо Македонци не грци...
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Tako je, a onda je 'dokazao' da je Grk (ne znam šta je radio, je li izvadio ličnu kartu
Доказао је своје порекло, по оцу. од Херакла (или по српски: од Кулина бана
), као припадник династије Аргеада, родом из Агр(ос)а.
Исто тако је по мајци родом од Ахила (у питању су наравно родослови са митским прецима, али са извесним историјским костуром).
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FYROM’s Distortions, Lies and Propaganda etc .
One of the most laughable propaganda scenes that FYROM’s propagandists have choreographed in a long time was last Friday’s ”invention” of a so-called comment by the German Professor Mittag in a… nowhere-to-be-found discussion group.
You’ve got to hand it to the FYROM propaganda Machine: Only they could convince their own people that a non-existing discussion group actually exists. And even more amusingly in that non-existing group there are allegedly existing scholars who actively participate.
I realize it seems to be the fashion in FYROM, to “invent” the most ludicrus claims you will ever hear, so that they counter the massive evidence against their own illusions.
Its more than obvious that the letter to the US President Obama, signed by *233 Professors of Greek and Roman antiquities was a huge blow to the heinous FYROM’s propaganda. Therefore they had to “invent” something to distract the attention. They found it but sadly it turned into a boumerang against them.
More specifically, on Friday, in the well-known Skopian forums which serve mainly as vehicles of wide distributions of FYROM’s misinformation campaigns, it was publish a comment, supposedly from the “Oxford Classicists Discussion Group” mailing list. Such a group of course is nowhere to be found online.
The supposed e-mail address of the group is “oxford.ssac.clarence.uk@ barebones.usenetnext.com”.
In other words, the format is “mail@subdomain.domain.com“.
The domain is “usenetnext.com” and it’s non-existent, as a whois search shows.
[www.who.is]
In this universe, there is absolutely no way that a mailing list will function with an imaginary domain. But certainly the Slavs of FYROM have learnt to live in an imaginary world so they are partly excused!!
In fact FYROM’s propagandists knew the claim was false, deliberately used it anyway and when caught, issued a collective “OOPS.” It became even more laughable that the same people distributed that unsubstantiated fake “news” to the FYROM’s media and they, of course, blindly and without examining what they are being served, undertook the task to make it known from the one corner of FYROM to the other.
In this video, by FYROMian Sitel TV, it is claimed that Prof. P. F. Mittag actually stated:
“I am surprised to find my name on the list….I have to distance myself from the list. I am not its signatory and it is a farce if Miller does not correct that. I don’t like the tone of the letter. I think it is a political game without winner.”
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wor...ons-lies-and-propaganda-fall-short-once-more/
One of the most laughable propaganda scenes that FYROM’s propagandists have choreographed in a long time was last Friday’s ”invention” of a so-called comment by the German Professor Mittag in a… nowhere-to-be-found discussion group.
You’ve got to hand it to the FYROM propaganda Machine: Only they could convince their own people that a non-existing discussion group actually exists. And even more amusingly in that non-existing group there are allegedly existing scholars who actively participate.
I realize it seems to be the fashion in FYROM, to “invent” the most ludicrus claims you will ever hear, so that they counter the massive evidence against their own illusions.
Its more than obvious that the letter to the US President Obama, signed by *233 Professors of Greek and Roman antiquities was a huge blow to the heinous FYROM’s propaganda. Therefore they had to “invent” something to distract the attention. They found it but sadly it turned into a boumerang against them.
More specifically, on Friday, in the well-known Skopian forums which serve mainly as vehicles of wide distributions of FYROM’s misinformation campaigns, it was publish a comment, supposedly from the “Oxford Classicists Discussion Group” mailing list. Such a group of course is nowhere to be found online.
The supposed e-mail address of the group is “oxford.ssac.clarence.uk@ barebones.usenetnext.com”.
In other words, the format is “mail@subdomain.domain.com“.
The domain is “usenetnext.com” and it’s non-existent, as a whois search shows.
[www.who.is]
In this universe, there is absolutely no way that a mailing list will function with an imaginary domain. But certainly the Slavs of FYROM have learnt to live in an imaginary world so they are partly excused!!
In fact FYROM’s propagandists knew the claim was false, deliberately used it anyway and when caught, issued a collective “OOPS.” It became even more laughable that the same people distributed that unsubstantiated fake “news” to the FYROM’s media and they, of course, blindly and without examining what they are being served, undertook the task to make it known from the one corner of FYROM to the other.
In this video, by FYROMian Sitel TV, it is claimed that Prof. P. F. Mittag actually stated:
“I am surprised to find my name on the list….I have to distance myself from the list. I am not its signatory and it is a farce if Miller does not correct that. I don’t like the tone of the letter. I think it is a political game without winner.”
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wor...ons-lies-and-propaganda-fall-short-once-more/
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Correct said that authentic Macedonia is a Greek province!
But there is also a Slavic/Albanian republic that uses the Greek name "Macedonia".
Although officially they don't claim that they are related to authentic Macedonia of Greece there are few fanatics who express unhistorical and fascist positions!
Everything started with Tito (the Communist dictator of Yugoslavia!)
Tito took south Serbia and renamed it as "Socialist republic of (Slavic)Macedonia" inside the communist Yugoslavia in 1946.
He also promoted the concept of a separate “Macedonian nationâ€, as a means of severing the ties of the Slav population of Yugoslav Macedonia with Bulgaria, (although the modern (Slav)Macedonian language is close to and largely mutually intelligible with Bulgarian, and to a lesser extent Serbian.) The differences were emphasized and the region's historical figures were promoted as being uniquely “Macedonian†(almost every Bulgarian or Greek hero was described as “Macedonianâ€). A separate
Macedonian(Slavic) Orthodox Church was established, splitting off from the Serbian Orthodox Church in 1967 (only partly successfully, because the church has not been recognized by any other Orthodox Church). The ideologists of a separate and independent Macedonian country, same as the pro-Bulgarian sentiment, were forcibly suppressed.
Tito had a number of reasons for doing this. First, he wanted to reduce Serbia's dominance in Yugoslavia; establishing a territory formerly considered Serbian as an equal to Serbia within Yugoslavia achieved this effect. Secondly, he wanted to sever the ties of the Slav-Macedonian population with Bulgaria as recognition of that population as Bulgarian could have undermined the unity of the Yugoslav federation. Thirdly, Tito sought to justify future Yugoslav claims towards the rest of geographical Macedonia; in August 1944, he claimed that his goal was to reunify "all parts of Macedonia, divided in 1915 and 1918 by Balkan imperialists." To this end, he opened negotiations with Bulgaria for a new federal state, which would also probably have included Albania, and supported the Greek Communists in the Greek Civil War. The idea of reunification of all of Macedonia under Communist rule was abandoned in 1948 when the Greek Communists lost and Tito fell out with the Soviet Union and pro-Soviet Bulgaria.
Tito's actions had a number of important consequences for the Slav-Macedonians. The most important was, obviously, the promotion of a distinctive "Macedonian identity" as a part of the multiethnic society of Yugoslavia. The process of ethnogenesis gained momentum, and a distinct national "Macedonian identity" was formed. There have been numerous accounts from northern (Slavic)Macedonia from the late 1940s that the policy of Bulgarisation during the Bulgarian occupation (1941 - 1944) was as abhorrent for the ordinary Slav-Macedonian as the policy of Serbisation until then. IMRO's leader in exile, Ivan Mihailov, and the renewed Bulgarian IMRO after 1990 have, on the other hand, repeatedly argued that between 120,000 and 130,000 people went through the concentration camps of Idrizovo and Goli Otok for pro-Bulgarian sympathies or ideas for independent Slav-Macedonia in the late 1940s., which has also been confirmed by former prime minister Ljubco Georgievski.
Unfortunately the 60 years propaganda has affected the minds of some of the Slav-Macedonians and there are few who had even asked for Greece to "return authentic Macedonia of Greece" to them!!!!
Officially the government of (Slavic/Albanian)-Macedonia has denounced such claims and they officially say that they have no connection with authentic Macedonia of Greece!
here is what the first President of FYROM (Slavic/Albanian)-Macedonia), Kiro Gligorov said: “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).
On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S{(Slavic/Albanian)-Macedonia} Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, “There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country".
http://www.justaaa.com/topic.php?tid=890
Correct said that authentic Macedonia is a Greek province!
But there is also a Slavic/Albanian republic that uses the Greek name "Macedonia".
Although officially they don't claim that they are related to authentic Macedonia of Greece there are few fanatics who express unhistorical and fascist positions!
Everything started with Tito (the Communist dictator of Yugoslavia!)
Tito took south Serbia and renamed it as "Socialist republic of (Slavic)Macedonia" inside the communist Yugoslavia in 1946.
He also promoted the concept of a separate “Macedonian nationâ€, as a means of severing the ties of the Slav population of Yugoslav Macedonia with Bulgaria, (although the modern (Slav)Macedonian language is close to and largely mutually intelligible with Bulgarian, and to a lesser extent Serbian.) The differences were emphasized and the region's historical figures were promoted as being uniquely “Macedonian†(almost every Bulgarian or Greek hero was described as “Macedonianâ€). A separate
Macedonian(Slavic) Orthodox Church was established, splitting off from the Serbian Orthodox Church in 1967 (only partly successfully, because the church has not been recognized by any other Orthodox Church). The ideologists of a separate and independent Macedonian country, same as the pro-Bulgarian sentiment, were forcibly suppressed.
Tito had a number of reasons for doing this. First, he wanted to reduce Serbia's dominance in Yugoslavia; establishing a territory formerly considered Serbian as an equal to Serbia within Yugoslavia achieved this effect. Secondly, he wanted to sever the ties of the Slav-Macedonian population with Bulgaria as recognition of that population as Bulgarian could have undermined the unity of the Yugoslav federation. Thirdly, Tito sought to justify future Yugoslav claims towards the rest of geographical Macedonia; in August 1944, he claimed that his goal was to reunify "all parts of Macedonia, divided in 1915 and 1918 by Balkan imperialists." To this end, he opened negotiations with Bulgaria for a new federal state, which would also probably have included Albania, and supported the Greek Communists in the Greek Civil War. The idea of reunification of all of Macedonia under Communist rule was abandoned in 1948 when the Greek Communists lost and Tito fell out with the Soviet Union and pro-Soviet Bulgaria.
Tito's actions had a number of important consequences for the Slav-Macedonians. The most important was, obviously, the promotion of a distinctive "Macedonian identity" as a part of the multiethnic society of Yugoslavia. The process of ethnogenesis gained momentum, and a distinct national "Macedonian identity" was formed. There have been numerous accounts from northern (Slavic)Macedonia from the late 1940s that the policy of Bulgarisation during the Bulgarian occupation (1941 - 1944) was as abhorrent for the ordinary Slav-Macedonian as the policy of Serbisation until then. IMRO's leader in exile, Ivan Mihailov, and the renewed Bulgarian IMRO after 1990 have, on the other hand, repeatedly argued that between 120,000 and 130,000 people went through the concentration camps of Idrizovo and Goli Otok for pro-Bulgarian sympathies or ideas for independent Slav-Macedonia in the late 1940s., which has also been confirmed by former prime minister Ljubco Georgievski.
Unfortunately the 60 years propaganda has affected the minds of some of the Slav-Macedonians and there are few who had even asked for Greece to "return authentic Macedonia of Greece" to them!!!!
Officially the government of (Slavic/Albanian)-Macedonia has denounced such claims and they officially say that they have no connection with authentic Macedonia of Greece!
here is what the first President of FYROM (Slavic/Albanian)-Macedonia), Kiro Gligorov said: “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).
On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S{(Slavic/Albanian)-Macedonia} Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, “There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country".
http://www.justaaa.com/topic.php?tid=890
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History never dies in Balkans
Strictly speaking, the problem is one of politics wrapped up in history. Ever since Macedonia, the poorest of Yugoslavia's former constituent parts, proclaimed independence last September, it has had a very difficult time in winning international recognition. The reason is Greek opposition to its assuming the name of an ancient Greek province and thereby hijacking the glorious heritage associated with Alexander of Macedonia.
"The name," a senior Greek official insists, "is more than a name." It is the embodiment of covert territorial pretensions on the northern Greek region of Aegean Macedonia, he explained. The government of Prime Minister Konstantin Mitsotakis persuaded its European Community partners last December to withhold extending diplomatic recognition to Macedonia until Greek objections are satisfied.
"Why should we do it?" said President Kiro Gligorov. "We carried this name for centuries. We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (A.D)."
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/access/453344711.html?did=453344711&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=Mar+15%2C+1992&author=Dusko+Doder+SPECIAL+TO+THE+STAR&pub=Toronto+Star&desc=History+never+dies+in+Balkans"
History never dies in Balkans
Strictly speaking, the problem is one of politics wrapped up in history. Ever since Macedonia, the poorest of Yugoslavia's former constituent parts, proclaimed independence last September, it has had a very difficult time in winning international recognition. The reason is Greek opposition to its assuming the name of an ancient Greek province and thereby hijacking the glorious heritage associated with Alexander of Macedonia.
"The name," a senior Greek official insists, "is more than a name." It is the embodiment of covert territorial pretensions on the northern Greek region of Aegean Macedonia, he explained. The government of Prime Minister Konstantin Mitsotakis persuaded its European Community partners last December to withhold extending diplomatic recognition to Macedonia until Greek objections are satisfied.
"Why should we do it?" said President Kiro Gligorov. "We carried this name for centuries. We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (A.D)."
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/access/453344711.html?did=453344711&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=Mar+15%2C+1992&author=Dusko+Doder+SPECIAL+TO+THE+STAR&pub=Toronto+Star&desc=History+never+dies+in+Balkans"
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Само за тебе...Од Преседника Србије 
Етничка застава Македонаца у Србији
Е Липково.....па сада настави да пипеш слободно
Етничка застава Македонаца у Србији
Е Липково.....па сада настави да пипеш слободно
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Bad Wolf
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Ovih 29 idola sto glasaju da je bio srbin mogu ruku pod ruku sa hrvatima koji isto tako kroje svoju istoriju kraduci druge slavne licnosti koje nemaju veze sa njima .
Kontam da bi neko iz sale stavio da je srbin , ali 29 ljudi nema toliko duhovitih na krsti .
Kontam da bi neko iz sale stavio da je srbin , ali 29 ljudi
nema toliko duhovitih na krsti .CrnogorskiSrbin
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Alo, Fyromani, ae lakše malo sa vašim debilnim komunističkim izvalama. Makedonska nacija NIJE postojala pre 1945., kad vas je stvorio Broz. Tako da, vi možete biti ili Srbi ili Bugari (ne računajući Arbanase koji se predstavljaju kao Makedonci).
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Прво ти рашчисти сада да ли си Црногорац или србин...па нам се јави...
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Ти прво рашчисти јеси ли Бугарин као Гоце, или Македонац.
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