Ko je bio Aleksandar Veliki ?

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Aleksandar je Makedonac,isto kao i njegov otac Filip, i njegova majka Olimpija je takodje Makedonka,
i njegov ucitelj stari Makedonac Aristotel i njegov konj Bukefal vuce na Makedonce(neke) i svi njegovi generali su redom Makedonci,
i njegov jezik je makedonski i njegova kultura je makedonska i ziveo je u Makedoniji jedno vreme.I umro je kao Makedonac.

Samo sto je tada biti Makedonac znacilo biti i Spartanac,Atinjanin,Eubejac,Jonac,Korintanac,Olimpijac drugim recima biti Grk.
 
FYROM’s Distortions, Lies and Propaganda etc .



Many people often ask me what is the difference between a Greek and a Macedonian, and if Macedonians were Greeks of a different nation. Actually this is the same question that most foreign people with little or a basic -and we all have to admit rich and many times complicated – historical knowledge have. Basically this is the exact lack of knowledge over the Greek history which the propaganda of fyrom uses, in order to create a huge confusion and chaos in people’s minds between the term ”Macedonians” and ”Greeks.”

This article will not proceed further in whether Macedonians were Greeks or not, because as it has already been mentioned and proved thousands of times not only from this blog, but from every valid historical ancient and modern source, that Macedonians were and are Greeks! This article aims in giving a very plain but essential explanation related to the way the fyromians used the confusion and lack of historic details of foreign people, -even the lack of knowledge of the Greek language.- in the names of the Kingdoms of the Greek Cities and how Greeks were calling each other and continue to call until today, according to their heritage, descent and lineage.

Plain and simple for every foreign friend. Greece was divided in Greek City States, all of them under the definition of the Greek nation according to Herodotus «όμοαιμον, ομόγλωσσον, ομόθρησκον, ομότροπον» (omemon – same blood, omoglosson – same language, omothriskon – same religion, omotropon – same ways, behaviour.), but with any Greek City State maintaining it’s independent leadership and rulers, with their own alliances and their own civil wars in the Greek region. From Homer up to Herodotus who also mentions that ” το Ελληνικόν γλώσση αιεί τη αυτή διαχράται ” (a general translation as ”the Greek language has always been spoken”) and in the pass of time, in this long Greek history, the Greeks were calling themselves with a variety of names. (Ex. Hellenes, Achaeans, Ionians, Grecians, etc. ) they also had their personal introduction beyond their father’s names, who preserves the tendency for a Greek to distinguish himself with pride for the City he comes from. This localism is something we continue to have as Greeks until today.


http://history-of-macedonia.com/wor...based-their-propaganda-in-a-misunderstanding/
 
THE FYROMIAN PROPAGANDA



Monday, 18 May 2009

The Watchmen film, great advertising for FYROMacedonia

Paid advertising, strong lobby, a gift by Warner Bros, or just following historical facts, pick whichever you like.

The main character in the anticipated blockbuster movie ‘Watchmen’ is asked:

-Is your inspiration Jesus?

The superhero answers:

-No, my inspiration comes from a man born 300 years before Jesus. His name was Alexander the Macedonian, though you may know him as Alexander the Great.

This phrase is certainly going to draw the ire of the Greek Government, perhaps they wouldn’t watch the movie or refuse to buy popcorn.

Watchmen is a 2009 superhero film directed by Zack Snyder. Based on the 1986-1987 comic book limited series Watchmen by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, the film adaptation stars Malin Akerman, Billy Crudup, Matthew Goode, Carla Gugino etc.

Set in an alternate-history 1985, Watchmen follows a group of former vigilantes as tensions heighten between The United States and The Soviet Union while an investigation of an apparent conspiracy against them uncovers something even more grandiose and sinister.

One of the directors of JuneLife magazine in Australia, native Macedonian Gjoko Muratovski was present at the premiere in Sydney and had seen the movie.

“When I saw that scene, the first thing that came to mind was -There must have been a very strong Macedonian lobby behind this-, because it’s not easy influencing movies. For a company to just put its logo in a movie, costs anywhere from hundreds of thousands, to millions of dollars.” says Muratovski.

“If you look at Macedonia’s position in the international sphere, and the production of this movie, this is a very nice gift for us.” concluded Muratovski, who at the moment is vacationing in Skopje.

As a reminder, Oliver Stone’s debacle at the box office “Alexander”, created a mess and portrayed the Macedonian king once as a Macedonian and later as a Greek.

http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2009/05/18/the-fyromian-propaganda/
 
FYROM propaganda regarding the ethnicity of ancient Macedonians

FYROM’s Distortions, Lies and Propaganda etc .

Ethnicity of Ancient Macedonians




Claim:

contrary to modern greek claims, macedonia was never part of greece, and the ancient macedonians were not regarded as ancient greeks.

In reality the fact that Macedonia was part of Greece and ancient Macedonians were regarded as ancient Greeks arent “modern Greek claims” but are testimonies of ancient Greeks (including ancient Macedonians themselves) and other ancient people.

Ancient sources are clear:

1. Ancient sources about Macedonia as a Greek Land

2. Ancient Greeks references to Macedonians as Greeks

3. Roman testimonies about ancient Macedonian ethnicity being Greek

4. Persian Testimonies about ancient Macedonian Ethnicity being Greek

5. Indian Testimonies about ancient Macedonians being Greek

6. Jewish testimonies about ancient Macedonian ethnicity being Greek

7. Babylonian testimonies about ancient Macedonian ethnicity being Greek



quite the opposite – the macedonians conquered greece and enslaved the greeks for centuries until rome conquered macedonia in 168 bc. thepurpose of these pages is to provide the reader with documented evidence for all these assertions above and show that ancient macedonians could not have been greeks based on all documented evidence. it will provide scholarly evidence that the ancient macedonians:[

The Propagandists of FYROM shamefully



were just that - macedonians, who did not regard the greeks as their kindred but looked down upon them with contempt.

On the contrary ancient sources verify ancient Macedonians considered themselves as Greeks.



were called barbarians, a label that the ancient greeks attributed only to non-greeks.

Another unhistorical illusion of modern FYROM propaganda. Truth is ancient sources are clear that also other Greek tribes were labeled barbarians except Macedonians.


conquered greece and enslaved the greeks, not united the greek city-states

Contrary to the wishful thinking of the modern Slavs from FYROM, Philip United the Greek city-states.

pillaged, burnt, razed greek cities to the ground, destroyed greek religious temples and monuments, and sold the greek inhabitants as slaves.

Unfortunately for the propagandists this was a common practise among Greeks. So did certain Greeks against other Greeks. (Atheneans Vs Melians, Thebans Vs Plataeans, etc) It doesnt mean in anyway that Atheneans, Thebans, Spartans, etc were not...Greeks.

garrisoned greek cities just as the thracian and illyrian cities (a sure sign of servitude).

There is enough evidence showing that also certain Greeks garrisoned other Greek cities.

even Greeks like Spartans placed garrisons to other greek cities like Thebes.

Quote:

The events which followed confirmed this suspicion; for when the Thebans had expelled the Spartan garrison and recovered the freedom of their city, Agesilaus declared war against them.

Placing garrisons as shown above was a common practise and this doesnt mean of course in our example Spartans were non-Greeks as FYROM propagandists tend to speculate.

used the greeks just as they used the thracians and the illyrians for their asian conquest.

Another fatuous claim. Macedonians havent declared a pan-thracian/Illyrian campaign against Persia but contrary they united the greek city-states and declared a pan-hellenic campaign. Macedonians didnt spread Thracian or Illyrian language and culture but they spread everywhere they conquered the Greek language and culture.

were asked to evacuate from the whole of greece back to macedonia by the romans.

Romans were aware that Greeks were inhabiting Macedonia.

Quote:

“Caesar judged that he must drop everything else and pursue Pompey where he had betaken himself after his flight, so that he should not be able to gather more forces and renew, and he advanced daily as far as he could go with the cavalry and ordered a legion to follow shorter stages. An edict had been published in Pompey’s name that all the younger men in the province (Macedonia), both GREEKS and Roman citizens, should assemble to take an oath.”

[Civil War 111.102.3]

were hated by the greeks, and that the greeks fought both on the side of the persians and on the side of the romans to expel the macedonians from the whole of greece.

Another pathetic attempt to falsify history. Macedonians were Greeks and the fact that some Greeks could fought against their supremacy in Greece was common also previously against the other great Greek powers who tried to impose their supremacy over the rest of Greece. Atheneans fought on the side of Persians against Spartans (see battle of Cnidus). This doesnt mean Atheneans were not Greeks.

were not regarded as greeks by the greeks, nor they regarded themselves to be greek, but were proud of their macedonian nationality and way of life, and

Ancient accounts shatters the lies and distortion of history from the modern Slavs of FYROM.


http://history-of-macedonia.com/wor...garding-the-ethnicity-of-ancient-macedonians/
 
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Ancient Macedonian testimonies about their Ethnicity


In reality we have only scarce evidence on what ancient Macedonians believed for themselves. However i will try to collect the available literary and archaeological evidence that would shed some light on the beliefs of ancient Macedonians during Classical and Hellenistic Ages. The available evidence shows that Macedonians considered themselves to be Greek.

Alexander I, king of Macedon

1. Speaking to Atheneans
Quote:

Men of Athens… Had I not greatly AT HEART the COMMON welfare of GREECE I should not have come to tell you; but I AM MYSELF GREEK by descend, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for
slavery. …If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the GREEK CAUSE, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am ALEXANDER of MACEDON.‘

[Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45, translated by G.Rawlinson]

2. Speaking to Persians

Quote:

Tell your king who sent you how his GREEK viceroy of Macedonia has received you hospitably… “

Herodotus V, 20, 4 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)

PHILIP II OF MACEDON

Quote:

Every seat in the theater was taken when Philip appeared wearing a white cloak and by his express orders his bodyguard held away from him and followed only at a distance, since he wanted to show publicly that he was protected by the goodwill of all the Hellenes, and had no need of a guard of spearmen.

(Diodoros of Sicily 16.93.1)

Alexander III (the Great)

3. In his letter to the king of the Persians:

Quote:

Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did US great harm, though WE had done them no prior injury [...] I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks [...]

(Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II,14,4)

4. ALEXANDER TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF AND MACEDONIANS
BEING GREEK AND FIGHTING FOR GREECE:

Quote:

……………There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is their cause from ours ! They will be fighting for pay— and not much of it at that; WE on the contrary shall fight for GREECE, and our hearts will be in it. As for our FOREIGN troops —Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians,Agrianes — they are the best and stoutest soldiers of Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of Asia.

Arrian (The Campaigns of Alexander) Alexander talking to the troops before the battle. Book 2-7 Penguin Classics. Page 112. Translation by Aubrey De Seliucourt.

5. Burning Persepolis

Quote:

He set the Persian palace on fire, even though parmenio urged him to save it, arguing that it was not right to destroy his own property, and that the Asians would not thus devote themselves to him, if he seemed determined not to rule Asia, but only to pass through as a conqueror.
but Alexander replied that he intended to punish the persians for their invasion of Greece, the destruction of Athens, the burning of the temples, and all manner of terrible things done to the Greeks: because of these things, he was exacting revenge.
but Alexander does not seem to me to have acted prudently, nor can it be regarded as any kind of punishment upon Persians of long ago.

[Arrian Anab. 3. 18. 11-12].

6. Speaking to Thessalians and other Greeks



On this occasion, he [Alexander] made a very long speech to the Thessalians and the other Greeks, and when he saw that they encouraged him with shouts to lead them against the Barbarians, he shifted his lance into his left hand, and with his right appealed to the gods, as Callisthenes tells us, praying them, if he was really sprung from Zeus, to defend and strengthen the Greeks.

[Plutarch. Alexander (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) XXXIII]

7. Speaking to his own Macedonian Commanders

Alexander called a meeting of his generals the next day. He told them that no city was more hateful to the Greeks than Persepolis, the capital of the old kings of Persia, the city from which troops without number had poured forth, from which first Darius and then Xerxes had waged an unholy war on Europe. To appease the spirits of their forefathers they should wipe it out, he said.

(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.6.1)

8.

King Alexander had his siege engines and provisions conveyed by sea to Halicarnassus while he himself with all his army marched into Caria, winning over the cities that lay on his route by kind treatment. He was particularly generous to the Greek cities, granting them independence and exemption from taxation, adding the assurance that the freedom of the Greeks was the object for which he had taken upon himself the war against the Persians.

[Diodorus of Sicily, 17.24.1]

9.

As for Alexander, it is generally agreed that, when sleep had brought him back to his senses after his drunken bout, he regretted his actions and said that the Persians would have suffered a more grievous punishment at the hands of the Greeks had they been forced to see HIM on Xerxes’ throne and in his palace.

(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.8)

10. Speaking with Diogenes

But he said, ‘If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes’; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things HELLENIC, to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, TO PUSH THE BOUNDS OF MACEDONIA TO THE FARTHEST OCEAN, AND TO DISSEMINATE AND SHOWER THE BLESSINGS OF HELLENIC JUSTICE and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and DESIRE THAT VICTORIOUS HELLENES SHOULD DANCE AGAIN in India

[Plutarch's Moralia, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332A (Loeb, F.C Babbitt)]
 
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E, ovo nema nikakve veze sa Aleksandrom Velikim!
 
Као ни 100000 постови од тебе и куманова па јак...к...

Kumanovo možda nema dobre metode i zasipa temu postovima svojim, ali ja to ne činim - a i on ti je pokazao validne argumente, koji vezuju Aleksandra za Grke (citate), dok tebe ja lijepo pitam kakve veze ima makedonsko 'varvarsko' porijeklo sa činjenicom da su oni bili Grci?

Novija istraživanja su pokazala da je jedini pisani antički makedonski jezik - grčki, i nijedan drugi.
 
Kumanovo možda nema dobre metode i zasipa temu postovima svojim, ali ja to ne činim - a i on ti je pokazao validne argumente, koji vezuju Aleksandra za Grke (citate), dok tebe ja lijepo pitam kakve veze ima makedonsko 'varvarsko' porijeklo sa činjenicom da su oni bili Grci?

Novija istraživanja su pokazala da je jedini pisani antički makedonski jezik - grčki, i nijedan drugi.

Naravno nije posle njega postao slovenski jezik makedonski lingua franca od Indije do Epirusa nego grcki.

Aleksander je sirijo grcku a ne makedonsku kulturu.
 
Kumanovo možda nema dobre metode i zasipa temu postovima svojim, ali ja to ne činim - a i on ti je pokazao validne argumente, koji vezuju Aleksandra za Grke (citate), dok tebe ja lijepo pitam kakve veze ima makedonsko 'varvarsko' porijeklo sa činjenicom da su oni bili Grci?

Novija istraživanja su pokazala da je jedini pisani antički makedonski jezik - grčki, i nijedan drugi.

Slavene nemoj i ti posto vidim te poznajes istoriju.Istoriske nauke slozena su naucna disciplina previse slozena za jedno derle zatrovano sovinistickom propagandom slepo pri oci i puno neznanja .Ja odlicno poznajem istoriju Srbije , Grcke , Bugarske , Crne Gore , Albanije i Hrvatske .BJRM nema istoriju
 
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FYROM’s Distortions, Lies and Propaganda etc .




Evidence on the Greek ethnicity of Ancient Macedonians

FYROM Propaganda, Skopjan Propaganda

Fact #1 “Alexander the Great was Greek”

Alexander’s Greek descent, and in general Argead Greek lineage went unquestioned by ancient Greek and Roman writers, revealing a widely belief in ancient Greek and Roman world (including of course Macedonians themselves), the Argead royal house were Greeks descended from Argos of Peloponnese. The founder of their house belonged to the royal house of Argos, the “Temenidae”, descendants of Temenus, whose ancestor was Heracles, son of Zeus. (Diod. 17.1.5, 17.4.1; Plut, Alex 2.1-2, Fortuna 1.10 = Moratia 332a; Justin 11.4.5, 7.6.10-12, Theop. (FGTH US F3SS – Tzetzes, ad Lycophr 1439); Paus. ‘Description of Greece’ 1.9.8, 7.8; Velleius Paterculus: “The Roman History” Book I.5; Isocrates: ‘To Philip’ 32; Herod. 5.22.1-2, 8.43; Thuc. 2, 99, 3; Curt. 4.6.29)

Fact #2 ‘Earliest accounts verify the earliest Macedonians as Greeks”

The earliest literary accounts like Hesiodus (700 BCE) identified the earliest Macedonians as part of the greek world thus greek-speakers. Obviously if Macedonians werent Greeks but foreign people to Greeks, they wouldnt be part at all in Hesiodus’ account as Greek. After all its really irrational to have a supposedly ‘non-greek’ people while migrating to rename existing foreign toponymies into Greek, like the renaming from the earliest Macedonians of the original Phrygian place-name ‘Edessa‘ to the Greek ‘Aigae‘.

Fact #3 “Ancient Macedonians considered themselves as Greeks”

The surviving literary and archaeological evidence during Classical and Hellenistic Ages shows clearly that Macedonians considered themselves to be Greek, carriers to spread the Greek language and civilization to Asia while revenging Persians for their “crimes against Macedonia and the rest of Greece”.(Herod. 9.45; Diod. 16.93.1; Arrian 2.14.4, 3.18.11-12, I.16.10, “Indica” XXXIII; Plut- Alex. XXXIII, Moralia 332A; Curt. 5.6.1, 5.8.1; Joseph 11.8.5; Polyvius 7.9.4, 18.4.8; Liv. XXXI,29, 15; IG X,2 1 1031)

Fact #4 “Ancient Greeks viewed Macedonians as Greeks”

Ancient Greeks considered Macedonians as Greeks and specifically of Dorian stock. In fact ancient Greek accounts attributed some of the most patriotic Greek sentiments ever expressed to Macedonian rulers (Herodotos), described memories of the Greekness of the Makedones (Hesiodos, Hellanikos, Herodotos), mentioned their participations among Greek troops and folk, membership of Macedonia in the associations of the Greeks, namely the Delphic Amphictyony which had long been an important Panhellenic (Herodotos, Thucydides, Aichines). Hence they all verify the same conclusion. Greeks viewed Macedonians as Greeks. (Polyb., IX.35.2 (Loeb, W.R. Paton), IX.37, 38.8; Isocr, “To Philip”, 5.139, 5.140, 5.8; Callisth. ‘Oration of Demosthenes’ 2.3.4.-5, 2.4.5, 2.4.7-8 ; Curtius 3.3; Arrian ‘Anab. Alex’ 2.14. 4, 3.27.4-5; Pausanias, ‘Phocis’ VIII.4, Eleia VIII, 11 [Loeb]) ; Strab. VII.Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones]), VII. Fr 7.1, 10.2.23; Herod. VIII.137. 1 [Loeb]), I.56.3 [Loeb, A.D. Godley]); Hesiod, Catalogues of Women and Eoiae 3 [Loeb, H.G. Evelyn-White])

Fact #5 “Foreign nations considered Macedonians as Greeks”

The ancient Roman, Persian, Indian, Jewish, Babylonian and Carthagenian testimonies are listing Macedonians among the other Hellenes, speaking the same language and in general Macedonians are portrayed as Hellenes fighting the Barbarians. (Curt. 3.3.6, 3.7.3, 3.12.27, 4.1.10, 4.5.11, 4.5.14, 4.6.29, 4.8. 13-14, 4.10.1, 5.6.1, 5.7.3, 5.7.11, 6.9.35, 7.5.36, 7.6.1, 7.6.35; Liv. XXXI.29.15, XLV, 32.22; Cicero Orations; Ceasar ‘Civ. Wars’ 111.103.3; Vel. Patercul. ‘Roman history’ I.5; Justinus Un. History 7.1, 11.3.6; Aelian ‘Var Historia’ VII.8, 12.37(39); Pliny ‘Natural history’; Tacitus ‘Annals of Imperial Rome’ Chap. 8 pg 221; Persian inscr. of ca 513, Persian story of Zulqarneen, Bahram Yasht 3.34; Edicts of Ashoka V & XIII; Maccabees 1:10, 8:18, Megillah 11a, Dan 11:2, 10:20, Isiaiah chap. 19.20, 19.23, Joel Cahp 3.v6, Habacoum cap. 2.v5; Josephus ‘Antiquities of the jews’ Book 11 par 337, 109, 148, 184, 286, Book 8 para. 61, 95, 100, 154, 213, Book 10 para. 273, Book 12 para. 322, 414, Philo of Alexandria, Maimonides; Babylonian Diaries Diary No -168. A14-15)

Fact #6 “Macedonian names are Greek”

In contrast with all their non-greek neighbours (Illyrians, Thracians, etc) ancient Macedonian names are either Greek or derive from Greek roots in a percentage of over 95%. According to the encyclopaedia Bolsaya Sovetskaya “In 200 names born from Macedonians born before the ascent of Philip II (359b.C.), hardly 5% are of non-greek origin. Non Greek names in small numbers can also be found in other Greek tribes.
We know some names of Gods and Heroes worshiped by the Macedonians. Among them, 39 are either pan-hellenic or worshiped by other Greek tribes, either purely macedonian, but with a Greek etymology [root]. 2 come from names of cities with a non-hellenic root but with a greek termination syllabe 3 are Thracian 1 is Egyptian All of the names of Macedonian Feasts that we know are Greek. Regarding the names of the months, 6 are common with other Greek calendars, and at least two more are also purely Greek. The idea that the Macedonians took the names of the months during their ‘hellenisation’ is out of the question, as in that case they would have taken an integral Greek calendar instead of creating an amalgam of different greek calendars and, more important, they would never invent themselves two Greek names of months. ” All these of course are taking place at a time where the Illyrian and Thracian names have in their vast majority non-greek etymologies.


http://history-of-macedonia.com/wor...f-the-greek-ethnicity-of-ancient-macedonians/
 
FYROM’s Distortions, Lies and Propaganda etc .

Fact #7 “Ancient Macedonian was a Greek dialect”

According to the eminent linquist, Olivier Masson, writing in 1996 for the “Oxford Classical Dictionary: ‘Macedonian Language”. “For a long while Macedonian onomastics, which we know relatively well thanks to history, literary authors, and epigraphy, has played a considerable role in the discussion. In our view the Greek character of most names is obvious and it is difficult to think of a Hellenization due to wholesale borrowing. ‘Ptolemaios’ is attested as early as Homer, ‘Ale3avdros’ occurs next to Mycenaean feminine a-re-ka-sa-da-ra- (’Alexandra’), ‘Laagos’, then ‘Lagos’, matches the Cyprian ‘Lawagos’, etc. The small minority of names which do not look Greek, like ‘Arridaios’ or ‘Sabattaras’, may be due to a substratum or adstatum influences (as elsewhere in Greece). Macedonian may then be seen as a Greek dialect, characterised by its marginal position and by local pronunciations (like ‘Berenika’ for ‘Ferenika’, etc.). Yet in contrast with earlier views which made of it an Aeolic dialect (O.Hoffmann compared Thessalian) we must by now think of a link with North-West Greek (Locrian, Aetolian, Phocidian, Epirote). This view is supported by the recent discovery at Pella of a curse tablet (4th cent. BC) which may well be the first ‘Macedonian’ text attested (provisional publication by E.Voutyras; cf. the Bulletin Epigraphique in Rev.Et.Grec.1994, no.413); the text includes an adverb ‘opoka’ which is not Thessalian. We must wait for new discoveries, but we may tentatively conclude that Macedonian is a dialect related to North-West Greek.”
(Pausanias Messeniaka XXIX.3; Strabo 7.7.8; Plutarch Pyrrhus II.1, XI.4; . Livius XXXI.29.15, XLV; Curtius VII.5.29, VII 9.25 – 11.7)

Fact #8 “Alexander’s campaign Pan-Hellenic character”

Alexander the Great launched a Pan-hellenic campaign against Persia and through his conquests spread Hellenism in a vast colonizing wave throughout the Near East and created economically and culturally, a single world stretching from Greece to the Punjab in India with Greek (koine) as lingua franca. He built a network of almost thirty Greek cities throughout the empire, a building program that was expanded by later Hellenistic rulers. These became enclaves of Greek culture. Here gymnasia, baths, and theaters were built. The upper classes spoke koine Greek, wore Greek dress, absorbed Greek learning, adopted Greek customs, and took part in Greek athletics. Ancient sources reports as such and the pan-hellenic character of his campaign were the definitive statements of the Macedonian royalty and nobility. (Aelian ‘Varia Historia’ 13.11; Arrian I.16.7, I12.1-2, Plutarch Ages. 15.4, Moralia I, 328D, 329A, Alex. 15, 33, 37.6-7; Diod. 16.95.1-2, 17.67.1; Callisthenes 2.3.4-5, 2.4.5, 2.4.7-8, 3.1.2-4; Arrian “Indica” XXXIII, XXXVIII, XXIX, ‘Anab.’ Arrian I.16.7, II, 14, 4, 3.18.11-12 ; Polybius IX.35.2, IX.34.3, 17.4.9; Curtius 3.3.6, 4.1.10-11, 4.5.11, 4.14.21, 5.6.1, 5.7.3, 5.7.11, 8.1.29)

Fact #9 “Macedonians shared the same religion as the rest of Greeks”

Nowadays historians agree that Macedonians had the religious and cultural features of the rest Hellenic world. Like other Greek regions, regional characteristics have also to be noted especially near the borders.
Its quite interesting the fact that Macedonians also gave these deities the familiar Greek epithets, such as Agoraios, Basileus, Olympios, Hypsistos of Zeus, Basileia of Hera, Soter of Apollo, Hagemona and Soteira of Artemis, Boulaia of Hestia, etc.
The worship of the twelve Olympian gods in Macedonia is undoubted
and it is shown explicitely in the treaty between Philip V and Hannibal of Carthage “`In the presence of ZEUS, HERA and APOLLO…and in the presence of ALL THE GODS who possess Macedonia AND THE REST OF HELLAS“. (Arrian I 11.1-2, I.11.6; Diod. 16.95.2, 16.91.5-6; Pausanias 6.18.3, 9.39.3; Ath. Deipnos. XII.537d-540a, XIII 572d-e; Diogenes Laert. 1.8; Curtius 3.7.3, 3.12.27, 4.13.15, 6.10.14, 8.2.32, 8.11.24, Plutarch ‘Alexander’ 33; Polybius 7.9.1-7)

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Та застава је настала 1993....Не брукај се!

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Ти се брукаш, јер си неписмен, јер нико није помињао године настанка застава, нити је то битно.
Ово је застава грчке Македоније, тј. обележје хеленских/грчких Македонаца.

Ова застава је настала 1989....

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То је застава вас, словенских Македонаца коју сте користили као државну, па сте после морали да је замените овом актуелном, која је само другачије стилизована варијанта истог знака. А која је разлика између ове и оне изнад заставе? Једна је на плавој, а друга на црвеној позадини. Прву користе грчки Македонци, другу словенски Македонци..

А уу...Појма ти немаш...хахахах Ово је иста застава коју користе Македонци..
Власи користе тотално другачију са 8 кракова у облику цвета..:hahaha:

За тебе немам појма, јер си ти ограничен, па ниси схватио поенту.
А ако си ограничен, ниси слеп. То није иста застава коју користе Македонци, јер се у средини налази цвет плаве боје који си поменуо, али има 10 кракова:
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А све и да је иста, не мења се суштина. Власи тј, Македо-Армањи су користили неколико варијанти заставе са Сунцем из Вергине, са мање или више кракова, али је симбол исти. Ево овде две заставе на истом месту:
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Као што сте и ви мењали заставу, тако су и они.
Да користе ову заставу може се видети на одређеним сајтовима, као и овде на Википедији:
http://roa-rup.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makedonji_(Armãnji)

Правиш се паметанијим него што јеси и говориш и о стварима о којима ниси добро информисан.

Дечко ти си Епик "FAIL"

Али све то је мање битно. Поента коју ниси схватио је да сва три народа, македонски идентитет и наслеђе доживљавају као своје и да сва три народа користе Сунце из Вергине као свој национални симбол.
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То је поента!
Тако да ја могу и да будем Епик, а ти си испао FAIL и то премногу голем!
 
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. То није иста застава коју користе Македонци, јер се у средини налази цвет плаве боје који си поменуо, али има 10 кракова:
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Паметном довољно једном рећи..

Застава Македонаца у Србији

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Застава Македонаца у Албанији
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Како ти кажеш - цинцари - користе само са 4 крака...на оној слици горе са десне стране..то је њихова застава....а ову су скоро додали..бела са сунцем и 16 кракова.
Али то је скоро..

Ни цинцари ни грци нису ове симболе користили пре Македонаца...
и џабе ћеш сада тражити да нађеш..
 
100px-Flag_of_Greek_Macedonia.svg.png

Ти се брукаш, јер си неписмен, јер нико није помињао године настанка застава, нити је то битно.
Ово је застава грчке Македоније, тј. обележје хеленских/грчких Македонаца.



150px-Flag_of_the_Republic_of_Macedonia_1992-1995.svg.png

То је застава вас, словенских Македонаца коју сте користили као државну, па сте после морали да је замените овом актуелном, која је само другачије стилизована варијанта истог знака. А која је разлика између ове и оне изнад заставе? Једна је на плавој, а друга на црвеној позадини. Прву користе грчки Македонци, другу словенски Македонци..



За тебе немам појма, јер си ти ограничен, па ниси схватио поенту.
А ако си ограничен, ниси слеп. То није иста застава коју користе Македонци, јер се у средини налази цвет плаве боје који си поменуо, али има 10 кракова:
100px-Hlambura_Laolui_Makedon.gif


А све и да је иста, не мења се суштина. Власи тј, Македо-Армањи су користили неколико варијанти заставе са Сунцем из Вергине, са мање или више кракова, али је симбол исти. Ево овде две заставе на истом месту:
450px3moskopole.jpg

Као што сте и ви мењали заставу, тако су и они.
Да користе ову заставу може се видети на одређеним сајтовима, као и овде на Википедији:
http://roa-rup.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makedonji_(Armãnji)

Правиш се паметанијим него што јеси и говориш и о стварима о којима ниси добро информисан.



Али све то је мање битно. Поента коју ниси схватио је да сва три народа, македонски идентитет и наслеђе доживљавају као своје и да сва три народа користе Сунце из Вергине као свој национални симбол.
200px-Vergina_Sun.svg.png


То је поента!
Тако да ја могу и да будем Епик, а ти си испао FAIL и то премногу голем!

Stim sto jedni su direktni potomci Makedona i zastavu koriste u KONTINUITETU, a ostali surogati, i poceli su da je koriste od 1985 godine.

Makedoni (Makedon-Arnani; Cincari) nemaju nista protiv da i ostala dva identiteta koriste njihove simbole, a i drugi, koji osecaju da imaju makedonsko poreklo, ili postuju iskreno makedonizam.
 
Како ти кажеш - цинцари - користе само са 4 крака...на оној слици горе са десне стране..то је њихова застава....а ову су скоро додали..бела са сунцем и 16 кракова.
Али то је скоро..

Много си задрт! И ограничен, јер опет пуцаш у празно, а не схваташ поенту! Прво, не кажем ја "Цинцари", него их ми у Србији тако зовемо, али небитно. Као што није битно колико кракова има, које су боје, да ли има цвет или шта већ... То је питање стандардизације. Али, очигледно и не видиш добро, јер и на тој застави на слици горе, са десне стране, застава има 8 кракова, а не 4 крака. Ако још неко види 4 крака, као и ти, нека се јави! А ти размисли да посетиш офталмолога или, можда, психијатра. Ако си ћорав, није страшно, ако видиш нешто чега нема, онда је то врло забрињавајуће!

Поента је да сви користе "Сунце из Вергине", антички македонски симбол!
А од кад ви у Србији користите ову заставу? Тек 2005. је установљен Национални савет Македонаца у Србији, а застава је усвојена 2006. године, тако да пре тога нисте користили ту заставу. И какве везе има од кад користите заставу у Србији као национална мањина?! Имате и ви још две заставе као варијације на тему "Сунце из Вергине"! Стварно лупеташ за медаљу!

Ни цинцари ни грци нису ове симболе користили пре Македонаца...
и џабе ћеш сада тражити да нађеш..
Пре античких Македонаца нису. Ако мислиш на неке друге, изнеси доказ!
 
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Много си задрт! И ограничен, јер опет пуцаш у празно, а не схваташ поенту! Прво, не кажем ја "Цинцари", него их ми у Србији тако зовемо, али небитно. Као што није битно колико кракова има, које су боје, да ли има цвет или шта већ... То је питање стандардизације. Али, очигледно и не видиш добро, јер и на тој застави на слици горе, са десне стране, застава има 8 кракова, а не 4 крака. Ако још неко види 4 крака, као и ти, нека се јави! А ти размисли да посетиш офталмолога или, можда, психијатра. Ако си ћорав, није страшно, ако видиш нешто чега нема, онда је то врло забрињавајуће!

Поента је да сви користе "Сунце из Вергине", антички македонски симбол!
А од кад ви у Србији користите ову заставу? Тек 2005. је установљен Национални савет Македонаца у Србији, а застава је усвојена 2006. године, тако да пре тога нисте користили ту заставу. И какве везе има од кад користите заставу у Србији као национална мањина?! Имате и ви још две заставе као варијације на тему "Сунце из Вергине"! Стварно лупеташ за медаљу!


Пре античких Македонаца нису. Ако мислиш на неке друге, изнеси доказ!

Покажи ми све те грке и цинцаре како користе сунце као свој заштитни симбол кроз векове у назад..
Просветлиме ти научени човече...

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