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У Грчкој је почетком 20. века, било преко 1300000 Срба. Где су нестали?
Свака глупост има своју логику.
Свака глупост има своју логику.
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Zanimljivo.
Koja je logika ove gluposti:
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I zato je širio grčku kulturu i jezik sve do Indije.
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Sta je sa tobom?
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A ko ne zeli od ove trojke(Grci, Bugari, Srbi). Grci i Bugari su vekovima bili u sukobima sa Makedoncima, da bi Grcima sinulo na kraju da je dobro biti Makedonac i tako prestaviti celokupnu antiku kao Grcku.
Bugari kao i Srbi prestavljaju Makedoniju kao deo svoje stare zemlje(Stara Srbija i Velika Bugarska).
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А читава антика је Македонска? Да сам јуче умро не бих знао за то.
Za one koji guraju teorije o antickom poreklu BJRMakedonaca.
Najbolesnija teorija na svetu je da su ovi danasnji semenkari iz nekadasnje Juzne Srbije a danasnje BJRMakedonije utripovali da su u stvari potomci antickih grckih Makedonaca.Ova bolesna teorija govori o tome da instant nacija treba da ima i instant istoriju. U Srbiji se rodilo negde oko 17 rimskih careva, pa se ovde niko ne tripuje da je Rimljanin. Rodjen je i car Konstantin u Nisu, pa se niko ne tripuje ni da je Vizantijac.
Inace ovi BJR Makedonci imaju i jake argumente. Kako nema ni pisanih ni bilo kakvih drugih tragova osim da su mesavina Srba, Bugara i Siptara, oni sami bilduju svoj identitet. Tako u sred 21. veka jedna sirotinjska drzava trosi ogroman novac i pravi spomenike u antickom stilu. Osim sto su bizarna turisticka destinacija, jer nigde drugde, pa ni u Kustinom filmu, ljudi nece videti ono sto ima u Skoplju, te teorije niko normalan ne uzima za ozbiljno.
Zasto sam ovde to napisao, zato sto te poremecene teorije u stilu "Gospodara prstenova", pojedinci furaju u nekim ozbiljnim diskusijama. Mene interesuje ne samo poreklo, vec i anticka istorija Grcke, a pojedinci ovim glupostima spamuju i zagadjuju temu. Kada nas bude interesovalo kako se prodaju semenke na stadionu ili ispred bioskopa, tu cemo konsultovati navedene pojedince. Kada se prica o antickoj Grckoj, njihovo misljenje nas ne interesuje.
Koliko znam, grcko pismo je nastalo od Fenicanskog, pa mozda tu treba traziti neke korene. Mene interesuje u kojem se dokumentu prvi put spominju Heleni.
Najbolesnija teorija na svetu je da su ovi danasnji semenkari iz nekadasnje Juzne Srbije a danasnje BJRMakedonije utripovali da su u stvari potomci antickih grckih Makedonaca.Ova bolesna teorija govori o tome da instant nacija treba da ima i instant istoriju. U Srbiji se rodilo negde oko 17 rimskih careva, pa se ovde niko ne tripuje da je Rimljanin. Rodjen je i car Konstantin u Nisu, pa se niko ne tripuje ni da je Vizantijac.
Inace ovi BJR Makedonci imaju i jake argumente. Kako nema ni pisanih ni bilo kakvih drugih tragova osim da su mesavina Srba, Bugara i Siptara, oni sami bilduju svoj identitet. Tako u sred 21. veka jedna sirotinjska drzava trosi ogroman novac i pravi spomenike u antickom stilu. Osim sto su bizarna turisticka destinacija, jer nigde drugde, pa ni u Kustinom filmu, ljudi nece videti ono sto ima u Skoplju, te teorije niko normalan ne uzima za ozbiljno.
Zasto sam ovde to napisao, zato sto te poremecene teorije u stilu "Gospodara prstenova", pojedinci furaju u nekim ozbiljnim diskusijama. Mene interesuje ne samo poreklo, vec i anticka istorija Grcke, a pojedinci ovim glupostima spamuju i zagadjuju temu. Kada nas bude interesovalo kako se prodaju semenke na stadionu ili ispred bioskopa, tu cemo konsultovati navedene pojedince. Kada se prica o antickoj Grckoj, njihovo misljenje nas ne interesuje.
Koliko znam, grcko pismo je nastalo od Fenicanskog, pa mozda tu treba traziti neke korene. Mene interesuje u kojem se dokumentu prvi put spominju Heleni.
Greek Identity in the Western Mediterranean: Papers in Honour of Brian Shefton
edited by Brian Benjamin Shefton, Kathryn Lomas
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U vreme budjenja romantizma u zapadnoj Evropi se ponovo u fokus vratio prostor Grcke, kao duhovne kolevke zapadne civilizacije. Mnogi umetnici, poput lorda Bajrona, sanjali su o obnovi anticke drzave, koja se u tom trenutku nalazila pod Turcima. Oni koji su odlazili da obidju kolevku evropske civilizacije vracali su se razocarani. Umesto da tamo vide plavokose polubogove, nove Ahileje i Perseje, videli su niske tamnopute ljude, koji nikako nisu licili na one Grke opevane u Ilijadi i Odiseji i mnogim drugim delima. Nisu videli ni nove Sokrate ni Platone, ni senku nekadasnje civilizacije.
Ne znam da li je ovo odgovor na neko od pitanja. IIstorija jedne teritorije nije nuzno istorija jednog naroda. U razlicitim periodima istorije na teritoriji zive razliciti narodi. Mi smo na nasem prostoru nasledili RImljane i ko zna koga jos. I postujemo to sto je bilo pre nas, to rade nacije koje su samosvesne. Ne ubacuju se praistorijski elementi, bajke i epska fantastika, samo zato sto zvuci kul.
Ne znam da li je ovo odgovor na neko od pitanja. IIstorija jedne teritorije nije nuzno istorija jednog naroda. U razlicitim periodima istorije na teritoriji zive razliciti narodi. Mi smo na nasem prostoru nasledili RImljane i ko zna koga jos. I postujemo to sto je bilo pre nas, to rade nacije koje su samosvesne. Ne ubacuju se praistorijski elementi, bajke i epska fantastika, samo zato sto zvuci kul.
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Само Бог зна колико би се хеленска култура развила да је турска окупација није гушила вијековима.
GREEK PHILOSOPHY AT THE COURT OF MEHMET THE CONQUEROR
http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=3115
- It is clear that a good part of the collection of Greek manuscripts in the Topkapi palace fits the same research agenda. In 1983 Julian Raby showed that the Greek manuscipts at the Topkapi are in fact a collection copied or otherwise acquired for the court of Mehmet the Conqueror and his successors at least down to 1520, the date of the latest known Ottoman firman issued in Greek to a European state.
- Mehmet the Conqueror’s desire to model himself after Alexander (a figure, after all, that appears in the Quran and is vaunted in voluminous Arabic and Persian lore) is well recorded. Further, Alexander played an important role in medieval apocalyptic tradition, both East and West, since his reign is viewed as a terminus in the revolution of the world’s ruling dynasties. Two more Greek manuscripts, not copied at Mehmet’s scriptorium but belonging to the Topkapi collection, cover divination through physiognomy.
Overall, the larger questions that we know the Muslim scholars at the court of Mehmet the Conqueror were interested in correspond well with topics covered in the Greek holdings of his library, as well as the Greek-into-Arabic translations prepared during his reign. These questions include the following: heliocentrism and a moving earth (both of would soon become key elements to Copemicus’ astronomical “revolution”); the journey of the soul outside the body; miracles; the unity of God (not only in order to address the complicated theology of the Trinity in the course of Christian-Muslim apologetics, but also to independently help clarify Muslim doctrine); the necessity of God’s existence; what constitutes polytheism; the theory and practice of the philosophical notion of “sympathy” (i.e. the idea that something which happens in one part of the universe affects other things everywhere else).
Investigating in which ways ancient Greek and Byzantine philosophical and scientific ideas were picked up in an Ottoman context is important in order to understand what transformations of the Greek and Byzantine material led to its survival.
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Не знам зашто је из имена теме избрисан појам "Хелени", они се тако и данас зову, само што на енглеском се зову Грци.
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Грци су преузели целокупну културу Пелазга као што су Латини наследници Рашана (Етрураца). Опет, Етрурци и Пелазги су сродан, читај исти народ.
Пролетос сам ишао на Свету Гору и кад сам чекаоред да купим карту за брод запрепашћено сам прочитао да за брод кажу КОРАБЛИ илити корабља по србски/руски.
Занимљиво је да један поморски народ користи србску реч за поморско превозно средство.
Њихово је порекло семитско (сродници Арапа и Јевреја) што се види и по ДНК анализама јер је код њих доминантна Ј хаплогрупа.
А и кад им погледаш фаце северноафричке, усне, низак раст, често афро коврџаву косу- све ти буде јасно.
Иначе, познати су по томе да су склони да асимилују становништво. Где је нестало стотине хиљада Срба из околине Солуна? Познато је и документовано да су кроз историју да су хеленизовали србске топониме.
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А о архитектури да и не говоримо. Као да си отишао у Сирију а не неку европску државу.
У њиховим градовима као да си у Дамаску или Триполију.
Све ово јасно говори да су дођоши у Европу из Африке.
Пролетос сам ишао на Свету Гору и кад сам чекаоред да купим карту за брод запрепашћено сам прочитао да за брод кажу КОРАБЛИ илити корабља по србски/руски.
Занимљиво је да један поморски народ користи србску реч за поморско превозно средство.
Њихово је порекло семитско (сродници Арапа и Јевреја) што се види и по ДНК анализама јер је код њих доминантна Ј хаплогрупа.
А и кад им погледаш фаце северноафричке, усне, низак раст, често афро коврџаву косу- све ти буде јасно.
Иначе, познати су по томе да су склони да асимилују становништво. Где је нестало стотине хиљада Срба из околине Солуна? Познато је и документовано да су кроз историју да су хеленизовали србске топониме.
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А о архитектури да и не говоримо. Као да си отишао у Сирију а не неку европску државу.
У њиховим градовима као да си у Дамаску или Триполију.
Све ово јасно говори да су дођоши у Европу из Африке.
Grcki jezik (1630. godine):
"... the Sclavonic Tongue hath abolished her in Epire and Macedon, the Turkish hath outed her from most parts of Anatolia, and the Arabian hath extinguish'd her in Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and sundry other places."
"... the Sclavonic Tongue hath abolished her in Epire and Macedon, the Turkish hath outed her from most parts of Anatolia, and the Arabian hath extinguish'd her in Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and sundry other places."
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Two Carian Inscriptions from Karabournaki / Thessaloniki, Greece
http://www.ilsp.gr/en/profile/staff?view=publication&task=show&id=1020
http://www.academia.edu/6960991/I._...neure_Hommages_à_Raymond_Descat_Bordeaux_2012
http://www.ilsp.gr/en/profile/staff?view=publication&task=show&id=1020
http://www.academia.edu/6960991/I._...neure_Hommages_à_Raymond_Descat_Bordeaux_2012
1) Quote:
The eighteenth-century Greek scholar Koumas tells of a visit he made to one of the most influential klephts, Nikotsaras. In order to show respect Koumas addressed the klephtic leader as Achilles. Nikotsaras retorted angrily: ‘What rubbish are you talking about? Who is this Achilles? Handy with a musket, was he?”
The Balkans: Nationalism, War & the Great Powers, 1804-1999′ Misha Glenny, 2000, p. 31
2) Ioannis Kolettis, Prime Minister of Greece, said in Parliament the following:
Ο Κωλέττης, πρωθυπουργός τής Ελλάδας, έλεγε στο Κοινοβούλιο: «Για ποιούς έλληνες συζητάμε κύριοι; Η Ελλάδα φοράει τσαρούχια βλάχικα και φέσια αρβανίτικα». --> (All) Greece wears Vlach tsarouhia and Arvanite fezzes".
http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2172
PS: tsarouhia / τσαρούχια --
https://www.google.ca/search?q=τσαρ...ved=0ahUKEwj4wffztp3QAhVH5yYKHYhrDTcQ_AUICCgB
The eighteenth-century Greek scholar Koumas tells of a visit he made to one of the most influential klephts, Nikotsaras. In order to show respect Koumas addressed the klephtic leader as Achilles. Nikotsaras retorted angrily: ‘What rubbish are you talking about? Who is this Achilles? Handy with a musket, was he?”
The Balkans: Nationalism, War & the Great Powers, 1804-1999′ Misha Glenny, 2000, p. 31
2) Ioannis Kolettis, Prime Minister of Greece, said in Parliament the following:
Ο Κωλέττης, πρωθυπουργός τής Ελλάδας, έλεγε στο Κοινοβούλιο: «Για ποιούς έλληνες συζητάμε κύριοι; Η Ελλάδα φοράει τσαρούχια βλάχικα και φέσια αρβανίτικα». --> (All) Greece wears Vlach tsarouhia and Arvanite fezzes".
http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2172
PS: tsarouhia / τσαρούχια --
https://www.google.ca/search?q=τσαρ...ved=0ahUKEwj4wffztp3QAhVH5yYKHYhrDTcQ_AUICCgB
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In 578, 10000 Armenians moved to Cyprus for colonization, given that the island was almost deserted at this time. ("History of the Greek nation," ed "Publishing Athens", Vol. H, pp. 183-4).
"Thus", says Evagrius, "land, which had been previously untilled, was everywhere restored to cultivation. Numerous armies also were raised from among them that fought resolutely and courageously against the other nations. At the same time every household was completely furnished with domestics, on account of the easy rate at which slaves were procured". (Quote from P. Charanis)
Further deportations and settlement of Armenians all over the Byzantine empire, especially in Thrace, are attested for the eighth century. During the reign of Constantine V Copronymus, thousands of Armenians and monophysitic Syrians were gathered by the Byzantine armies during their raids in the regions of Germanicea (Marash), Melitene and Erzeroum and were settled in Thrace.
During the reign of Leo IV, a Byzantine raiding expedition into Cilicia and Syria resulted in the seizure of thousands of natives, 150,000 according to one authority, who were settled in Thrace. These, however, were chiefly Syrian Jacobites, though some Armenians may have also been included. Many of the Armenians settled in Thrace were seized by the Bulgar Krum (803--814) and carried away, but most of them eventually returned. According to tradition, the parents of the future Emperor Basil I and Basil himself were included among these prisoners, but there is reason to doubt the historical accuracy of this tradition.
The diverse ethnic groups established in Thrace were reinforced by later arrivals. In the tenth century, during the reign of John Tzimiskes, a considerable number of Paulicians were removed from the frontier regions of the east and were settled in Thrace, more exactly in the country around Phillippopolis. These Paulicians were most probably predominantly Armenians.
A little later, perhaps in 988, Armenians were settled also in Macedonia. They were brought there from the eastern provinces of the empire by Basil II in order to serve as a bulwark against the Bulgarians and also to help increase the prosperity of the country.
Meanwhile, other Armenians had been settled elsewhere in the empire. Nicephorus I used Armenians, among others, in his resettlement of Sparta at the beginning of the ninth century. Some time earlier, about 792, an unsuccessful revolt among the Armeniacs, a corps which was no doubt predominantly Armenian, led to the settlement of a thousand of them in Sicily and other islands.
In 885 Nicephorus Phocas, grandfather of the tenth century Emperor by the same name, settled a multitude of Armenians in Calabria.
Armenians, among others, were also settled in Crete following the recovery of that island in 961 by Nicephorus Phocas, the future Emperor. Two Armenian military settlements are known to have existed in western Asia Minor in the tenth century. These were the settlements at Prine and Platanion, which, according to Constantine Porphyrogenitus, furnished a number of Armenian troops in the expedition against Crete during the reign of Leo VI. Armenians, settled in the Thracesian theme, also participated in the expedition against Crete in 949.
[The Armenians in the Byzantine Empire, by Peter Charanis]
"Thus", says Evagrius, "land, which had been previously untilled, was everywhere restored to cultivation. Numerous armies also were raised from among them that fought resolutely and courageously against the other nations. At the same time every household was completely furnished with domestics, on account of the easy rate at which slaves were procured". (Quote from P. Charanis)
Further deportations and settlement of Armenians all over the Byzantine empire, especially in Thrace, are attested for the eighth century. During the reign of Constantine V Copronymus, thousands of Armenians and monophysitic Syrians were gathered by the Byzantine armies during their raids in the regions of Germanicea (Marash), Melitene and Erzeroum and were settled in Thrace.
During the reign of Leo IV, a Byzantine raiding expedition into Cilicia and Syria resulted in the seizure of thousands of natives, 150,000 according to one authority, who were settled in Thrace. These, however, were chiefly Syrian Jacobites, though some Armenians may have also been included. Many of the Armenians settled in Thrace were seized by the Bulgar Krum (803--814) and carried away, but most of them eventually returned. According to tradition, the parents of the future Emperor Basil I and Basil himself were included among these prisoners, but there is reason to doubt the historical accuracy of this tradition.
The diverse ethnic groups established in Thrace were reinforced by later arrivals. In the tenth century, during the reign of John Tzimiskes, a considerable number of Paulicians were removed from the frontier regions of the east and were settled in Thrace, more exactly in the country around Phillippopolis. These Paulicians were most probably predominantly Armenians.
A little later, perhaps in 988, Armenians were settled also in Macedonia. They were brought there from the eastern provinces of the empire by Basil II in order to serve as a bulwark against the Bulgarians and also to help increase the prosperity of the country.
Meanwhile, other Armenians had been settled elsewhere in the empire. Nicephorus I used Armenians, among others, in his resettlement of Sparta at the beginning of the ninth century. Some time earlier, about 792, an unsuccessful revolt among the Armeniacs, a corps which was no doubt predominantly Armenian, led to the settlement of a thousand of them in Sicily and other islands.
In 885 Nicephorus Phocas, grandfather of the tenth century Emperor by the same name, settled a multitude of Armenians in Calabria.
Armenians, among others, were also settled in Crete following the recovery of that island in 961 by Nicephorus Phocas, the future Emperor. Two Armenian military settlements are known to have existed in western Asia Minor in the tenth century. These were the settlements at Prine and Platanion, which, according to Constantine Porphyrogenitus, furnished a number of Armenian troops in the expedition against Crete during the reign of Leo VI. Armenians, settled in the Thracesian theme, also participated in the expedition against Crete in 949.
[The Armenians in the Byzantine Empire, by Peter Charanis]
Etnicko poreklo stanovnika ostrva Ios (samo jedan primer).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ios_(island)
Ios (Greek: Ίος, locally Νιός Nios) is a Greek island in the Cyclades group in the Aegean Sea.
Ίος / Ios:
«Σε ολόκληρο το νησί υπάρχει μονάχα μιά πολίχνη στην πλαγιά ενός λόφου. Οι κάτοικοι είναι αλβανικής καταγωγής και γενναίοι. Αντιμετωπίζουν με τόλμη τους κουρσάρους». (Francois Richard, 1650).
«Στη Νιό ζουν Αλβανοί, λαός βάρβαρος και πολεμοχαρής». Από το ημερολόγιο τού Γάλλου περιηγητή Τhevenot (1655)
"Throughout the island there is only a small town on a hillside. The inhabitants are ethnic Albanians and brave...." (Francois Richard, 1650).
"In Nios live Albanians, a people barbarian and warlike." From the French traveler Thevenot (1655)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ios_(island)
Ios (Greek: Ίος, locally Νιός Nios) is a Greek island in the Cyclades group in the Aegean Sea.
Ίος / Ios:
«Σε ολόκληρο το νησί υπάρχει μονάχα μιά πολίχνη στην πλαγιά ενός λόφου. Οι κάτοικοι είναι αλβανικής καταγωγής και γενναίοι. Αντιμετωπίζουν με τόλμη τους κουρσάρους». (Francois Richard, 1650).
«Στη Νιό ζουν Αλβανοί, λαός βάρβαρος και πολεμοχαρής». Από το ημερολόγιο τού Γάλλου περιηγητή Τhevenot (1655)
"Throughout the island there is only a small town on a hillside. The inhabitants are ethnic Albanians and brave...." (Francois Richard, 1650).
"In Nios live Albanians, a people barbarian and warlike." From the French traveler Thevenot (1655)
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Tu nema ništa čudno, Albanci su i došli iz pravca bliskog istoka, prvo na jug Apenina i Siciliju, pa su tek krajem 11. veka krenuli ka Maloj Evropi. Ništa ne čudi što je neke oluja bacila na egejska ostrva.
Историја кипарског народа.
Modern Greek identity in Cyprus developed and was created in the same way and manner it developed in mainland Greece, or Crete. Nations are socially constructed communities imagined by the people who perceive themselves as part of those groups. In Benedict Anderson's book, Imagined Communities, the concept is explained in depth. (See http://www.freeinquiry.gr/ for more info.)
In terms of question about the Cypriot "dialect" of Greek and its antiquity - may I share with you the following quote (translation taken from freeinquiry.gr as well):
Yet, until now we thought that the population of the islands has never changed since ancient times and that even the dialects are directly related to ancient dialects.
But historical data can’t be denied that although the islanders boast that they are purebred descendants of the ancient Greeks (though in ancient times the intermarriage was not something unknown), the island populations have undergone significant racial changes even a few centuries ago.
Here are some (a few) specific literary historical testimonies and sources which confirm the multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, and 'polyglot' character of Cyprus throughout the centuries.
1) The Jews lived well in Cyprus during the Roman rule. During this period, Christianity was preached in Cyprus among the Jews at an early date, St Paul being the first, and Barnabas, a native of Cyprus, the second. They attempted to convert the Jews to Christianity under the ideas of Jesus. Under the leadership of Artemion, the Cypriot Jews participated in the great rebellion against the Romans ruled by Trajan in 117 AD. and they are reported by Dio Cassius to have massacred 240,000 Greeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Cyprus
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4825-cyprus
2) In 578 AD, 10,000 Armenians moved to Cyprus for colonization purposes, given that the island was almost deserted at this time. ("History of the Greek nation," ed "Publishing Athens", Vol. H, pp. 183-4).
"Thus", says Evagrius, "land, which had been previously untilled, was everywhere restored to cultivation. Numerous armies also were raised from among them that fought resolutely and courageously against the other nations. At the same time every household was completely furnished with domestics, on account of the easy rate at which slaves were procured". (Quote from P. Charanis)
3) A History of Cyprus, Volume 1 By George Hill. Page 261: "...certainly there was a coast-guard of Albanians in Cyprus under Venetian rule.." --> In the footnote of the same page, we read the following: "The Albanians formed a race apart, until they disappeared in the sixteenth century".
4) The Quarterly Review By John Murray.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=ue...us&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Page 429:
"...in the plains and the cities the present people of Cyprus are a race so mixed of Italian, Tatar, Syrian, and even Negro elements, as to have become a caput mortuum, whence no facts of ethnological value can be extracted." We also read on the same page: "In the Carpasian promontory of the north-east dwells a race fairer and stronger than the mass of the Cyprians, a race supposed to be of Teutonic blood."
5) More Armenians arrived during the reign of Armenian-descended Emperor Heraclius (610-641). Source: The Armenians of Cyprus book, page 10.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=6j...6AEIJjAB#v=onepage&q=Armenians Cyprus&f=false
Page 11 of the same book:
"Emperor John II Comnenus moved the entire population of the Armenian city of Tell Hamdun to Cyprus. When Isaac Comnenus was self-declared 'Emperor of Cyprus' in 1185 and married the daughter of the Armenian prince Thoros II, he brought with him Armenian nobles and warriors...".
Futhermore, on page 12 of this book we read:
"...about 30000 Armenian refugees found shelter in Cyprus.." and "A new wave of Armenians arrived in 1335 and 1346 to escape the Mamluk attack." Additionally, on the same page 12: "In 1403, 30000 Armenians fled to Cyprus, while in 1421 the entire population of the Sehoun region was transferred here. In 1441 the authorities of Famagusta encouraged Armenians and Syrians from Cilicia and Syria to settle here."
Still on page 12: "Armenian was one of the eleven official languages of the Kingdom of Cyprus, and one of the five official languages during the Venetian Era."
Moving to page 13: "...about 40000 Ottoman Armenian craftsmen were recruited .. , and many of the ones who survived settled in Cyprus".
6) The Problem of Slavery in Western Culture, By David Brion Davis. PAGE 42:
"By 1300, indeed, there were Negro slaves on Cyprus, which had become virtually a prototype for the West Indian colonies."
https://books.google.ca/books?id=Iy...y#v=onepage&q=Cyprus Negroes Italians&f=false
7) -> PAGE 204, Christians and Muslims in Ottoman Cyprus and the Mediterranean World, 1571-1640
By Ronald Jennings
https://books.google.ca/books?id=5U...ry&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
8) The Parliamentary Debates - Google Books
The Parliamentary Debates (Authorized Edition), Volume 248
By Great Britain. Parliament
Links:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=xP...hDoAQg6MAY#v=onepage&q=slavery cyprus&f=false
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1879/jul/28/question-observations
Quote:
THE EARL OF SHAFTESBURY
Now, the Question is of importance, not only as touching Slavery in general, but as to the alleged fact that it is existing in Cyprus under British rule. I know perfectly well that no Slave Trade openly exists, and that no such thing as a slave market is to be found in any part of the Turkish Empire. That system has long been abolished. But the sale and purchase of slaves are still carried on extensively by private agents and in private houses; and, indeed, constituted as Turkish society is, Slavery is as necessary and indispensable to the Empire—especially among the wealthier classes—as is the Sultan himself. Now, as Cyprus was for centuries under Turkish rule, the probability is that a similar system prevails, and that it is fed by large importations of slaves from East Africa and the Red Sea—for which latter traffic Turkey is specially responsible, as it is mainly conducted at Jeddah, a port in the Red Sea belonging to the Sultan of Turkey. From all quarters there are imported, as I am informed, some 70,000 slaves every year. None are imported for prædial or agricultural purposes. The women are imported as 1398 servants for the harems, and the men for other duties, for which they are previously fitted by the most cruel and disgusting mutilations. There is also a large and equally disgusting traffic in white slaves in the very centre of Turkey itself.
Bonus A)
Turkish Cypriots were the majority of the population between 1777 and 1800. In terms of numbers, in 1777 there were only 37000 Greeks and 47000 Turks. In 1800, there were 30524 Greeks and 67000 Turks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cyprus
Bonus B)
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316
Modern Greek identity in Cyprus developed and was created in the same way and manner it developed in mainland Greece, or Crete. Nations are socially constructed communities imagined by the people who perceive themselves as part of those groups. In Benedict Anderson's book, Imagined Communities, the concept is explained in depth. (See http://www.freeinquiry.gr/ for more info.)
In terms of question about the Cypriot "dialect" of Greek and its antiquity - may I share with you the following quote (translation taken from freeinquiry.gr as well):
Yet, until now we thought that the population of the islands has never changed since ancient times and that even the dialects are directly related to ancient dialects.
But historical data can’t be denied that although the islanders boast that they are purebred descendants of the ancient Greeks (though in ancient times the intermarriage was not something unknown), the island populations have undergone significant racial changes even a few centuries ago.
Here are some (a few) specific literary historical testimonies and sources which confirm the multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, and 'polyglot' character of Cyprus throughout the centuries.
1) The Jews lived well in Cyprus during the Roman rule. During this period, Christianity was preached in Cyprus among the Jews at an early date, St Paul being the first, and Barnabas, a native of Cyprus, the second. They attempted to convert the Jews to Christianity under the ideas of Jesus. Under the leadership of Artemion, the Cypriot Jews participated in the great rebellion against the Romans ruled by Trajan in 117 AD. and they are reported by Dio Cassius to have massacred 240,000 Greeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Cyprus
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4825-cyprus
2) In 578 AD, 10,000 Armenians moved to Cyprus for colonization purposes, given that the island was almost deserted at this time. ("History of the Greek nation," ed "Publishing Athens", Vol. H, pp. 183-4).
"Thus", says Evagrius, "land, which had been previously untilled, was everywhere restored to cultivation. Numerous armies also were raised from among them that fought resolutely and courageously against the other nations. At the same time every household was completely furnished with domestics, on account of the easy rate at which slaves were procured". (Quote from P. Charanis)
3) A History of Cyprus, Volume 1 By George Hill. Page 261: "...certainly there was a coast-guard of Albanians in Cyprus under Venetian rule.." --> In the footnote of the same page, we read the following: "The Albanians formed a race apart, until they disappeared in the sixteenth century".
4) The Quarterly Review By John Murray.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=ue...us&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Page 429:
"...in the plains and the cities the present people of Cyprus are a race so mixed of Italian, Tatar, Syrian, and even Negro elements, as to have become a caput mortuum, whence no facts of ethnological value can be extracted." We also read on the same page: "In the Carpasian promontory of the north-east dwells a race fairer and stronger than the mass of the Cyprians, a race supposed to be of Teutonic blood."
5) More Armenians arrived during the reign of Armenian-descended Emperor Heraclius (610-641). Source: The Armenians of Cyprus book, page 10.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=6j...6AEIJjAB#v=onepage&q=Armenians Cyprus&f=false
Page 11 of the same book:
"Emperor John II Comnenus moved the entire population of the Armenian city of Tell Hamdun to Cyprus. When Isaac Comnenus was self-declared 'Emperor of Cyprus' in 1185 and married the daughter of the Armenian prince Thoros II, he brought with him Armenian nobles and warriors...".
Futhermore, on page 12 of this book we read:
"...about 30000 Armenian refugees found shelter in Cyprus.." and "A new wave of Armenians arrived in 1335 and 1346 to escape the Mamluk attack." Additionally, on the same page 12: "In 1403, 30000 Armenians fled to Cyprus, while in 1421 the entire population of the Sehoun region was transferred here. In 1441 the authorities of Famagusta encouraged Armenians and Syrians from Cilicia and Syria to settle here."
Still on page 12: "Armenian was one of the eleven official languages of the Kingdom of Cyprus, and one of the five official languages during the Venetian Era."
Moving to page 13: "...about 40000 Ottoman Armenian craftsmen were recruited .. , and many of the ones who survived settled in Cyprus".
6) The Problem of Slavery in Western Culture, By David Brion Davis. PAGE 42:
"By 1300, indeed, there were Negro slaves on Cyprus, which had become virtually a prototype for the West Indian colonies."
https://books.google.ca/books?id=Iy...y#v=onepage&q=Cyprus Negroes Italians&f=false
7) -> PAGE 204, Christians and Muslims in Ottoman Cyprus and the Mediterranean World, 1571-1640
By Ronald Jennings
https://books.google.ca/books?id=5U...ry&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
8) The Parliamentary Debates - Google Books
The Parliamentary Debates (Authorized Edition), Volume 248
By Great Britain. Parliament
Links:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=xP...hDoAQg6MAY#v=onepage&q=slavery cyprus&f=false
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1879/jul/28/question-observations
Quote:
THE EARL OF SHAFTESBURY
Now, the Question is of importance, not only as touching Slavery in general, but as to the alleged fact that it is existing in Cyprus under British rule. I know perfectly well that no Slave Trade openly exists, and that no such thing as a slave market is to be found in any part of the Turkish Empire. That system has long been abolished. But the sale and purchase of slaves are still carried on extensively by private agents and in private houses; and, indeed, constituted as Turkish society is, Slavery is as necessary and indispensable to the Empire—especially among the wealthier classes—as is the Sultan himself. Now, as Cyprus was for centuries under Turkish rule, the probability is that a similar system prevails, and that it is fed by large importations of slaves from East Africa and the Red Sea—for which latter traffic Turkey is specially responsible, as it is mainly conducted at Jeddah, a port in the Red Sea belonging to the Sultan of Turkey. From all quarters there are imported, as I am informed, some 70,000 slaves every year. None are imported for prædial or agricultural purposes. The women are imported as 1398 servants for the harems, and the men for other duties, for which they are previously fitted by the most cruel and disgusting mutilations. There is also a large and equally disgusting traffic in white slaves in the very centre of Turkey itself.
Bonus A)
Turkish Cypriots were the majority of the population between 1777 and 1800. In terms of numbers, in 1777 there were only 37000 Greeks and 47000 Turks. In 1800, there were 30524 Greeks and 67000 Turks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cyprus
Bonus B)
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316
Poslednja izmena:
Кипар је био 3 века под Арапа, сигурно је и то утицало у мешовини, нешто слично Сицилији..
Laonikos Chalkokondyles. BOOK 6, Page 65:
"The territory that extends down to Achaia is inhabited by Arabaioi, who are Albanian men..."
"The territory that extends down to Achaia is inhabited by Arabaioi, who are Albanian men..."
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