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Albanski jezik ima mali broj grckih reci..
To je znak da Albanci nisu povezani sa Grcima..
Iliri Epira su u antici koristili i grcki i ilirski jezik..
Another argument that sustains a northern origin of the Albanians is the relatively small number of words of Greek origin[6], even though Southern Illyria was neighboring the Classical Greek civilization and there was a number of Greek colonies along the Illyrian coastline.Several Illyrian tribes had even become bilingual early on[7] such as the Taulantii and the Bylliones.South Illyria was called Epirus Nova by the Romans is considered to have become Greek due to colonization[8] by Greeks[9] and Hellenization[10] of the natives, to the point where the Romans called it Illyria Graeca[11].This further supports a Northern origin for the Albanians.
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E, strpi se malo...mora da sacekamo sutrasnje izdanje NY Times-a
Tamo su svi njihovi dokazi zapisani
NY Times i Siptari i sve je moguce
па дабоме, турци их довукли из азије да тероришу хришћанске словене, енглези их направили као нацију спочетка 20. века а сад амери само довршавају посао етничког чишћења балкана од православних словена причајући им бајке и вероватно размишљајући кој будала може да се на такве глупости уопште напали
али црни хумор је ипак хумор
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E1b1b is at once the most common E subclade amongst East African Maasai, Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans and North African Sudanese, Egyptians, Berbers and Arabs. It is also common in the Near East, from where it spread into the Balkans and the rest of Europe. E1b1b has at least four common subclades: E1b1b1a (E-M78), E1b1b1b (E-M81), and E1b1b1c (E-M123), and E1b1b1g (E-M293) which spreads from Ethiopia to South Africa.
Haplogroup I Y-chromosomes have also been found among some populations of the Middle East, the Caucasus, and Central Asia, but they are found at frequencies exceeding 10% only among populations of Europe and Asia Minor, particularly among Germanic, Slavic, Uralic, and Turkic peoples, as well as among the Romance-speaking populations of France, Romania, Moldova, and Sardinia, the Albanian-speaking population of Albania, and the Greek-speaking population of Greece.It is also found among Iranian population of Tehran and Isfahan (with frequency of 34% and 10% respectively). [1]
Within Europe, several populations are distinguished by having a significantly lower frequency of Haplogroup I than the surrounding populations: these depressions in the frequency of Haplogroup I distinguish the populations of Italy and Switzerland from Germany and Sardinia, Iberia from southern France and Normandy, Greece, Albania and the Slavic peoples, and the Baltic Latvians from the Finnic Estonians. In all these areas, Haplogroup I populations are small relative to the dominant haplogroups in Europe (R1b in Western Europe, R1a1 in Eastern Europe, and N in Northeastern Europe).
Haplogroup J is found in greatest concentration in the Near East & Caucasus. Outside of these regions, haplogroup J has a moderate presence in Southern Europe (especially in central and southern Italy, Greece, and Albania), Central Asia, and South Asia, particularly in the form of its subclade J2-M172. Haplogroup J is also found in North Africa and the Horn of Africa, particularly in the form of its subclade J1-M267. Subclades J2a and J2a1b1 are found mostly in Greece, Anatolia, and southern Italy.
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Pa ti se pozvas na ovog kretena ovde u Becu, koga niko ne uzima za ozbiljno? (joj gde je onaj mali sto udara glavom u zid, nikako ne mogu da ga nadjem...)
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The Albanian language forms its own branch of the Indo-European family and is not closely related to any other Indo-European languages. This complicates attempts to trace the origin of the Albanians further. A study published in Nature in 2003 tentatively put Albanian in the Indo-Iranian branch, but with a high degree of uncertainty..
Albanski je posebna grana Indo-Evropskih jezika i nije povezan ni sa jednom grupom jezika..
Zbog toga dosta naucnika smatra da albanski nije indo-evropski jezik i da Albanci nisu Indo-Evropski narod..
To dokazuje da su Albanci sa Kavkaza-najblizi sa Lezginima ciji jezik nije Indo-Evropski..
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Pero Antic- Makedonac, prezime zavrsava na ic, to sto ima ic nista neznaci, kao i sto ima dosta ljudi u srbiji cija se prezimena zavrsavaju na ov, a nisu ni Makedonci ni Bugari.
ој е најкорисниот играч на сезоната 2007/2008 во Бугарија,
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But the real data I would like to point out is: E3b1 and J2E. The National Geographic explains E3b1 thus:
Today, the E3b1 line of descent is most heavily represented in Mediterranean populations. Approximately 10 percent of the men in Spain belong to this haplogroup, as do 12 percent of the men in northern Italy, and 13 percent of the men in central and southern Italy. Roughly 20 percent of the men in Sicily belong to this group. In the Balkans and Greece, between 20 to 30 percent of the men belong to E3b1, as do nearly 75 percent of the men in North Africa. The haplogroup is rarely found in India or East Asia. Around 10 percent of all European men trace their descent to this line. For example, in Ireland, 3 to 4 percent of the men belong; in England, 4 to 5 percent; Hungary, 7 percent; and Poland, 8 to 9 percent. Nearly 25 percent of Jewish men belong to this haplogroup.
If E3B1 is characterized by Mediterranean, and it is, isn’t it odd how Balkans people, a supposedly Slavic people from Ukraine, has the highest amount of this frequency? More than Spain and Italy—not even close. And isn’t it odd that according to Oxford Slavic people are characterized by a scarcity of E3b1. And yet, who has the highest of this frequency?
According to Oxford, Macedonia has the highest amount (next to Albania) at 24.1% in all of Europe,(only Morocco has more, 27.9%) followed closely by Greece at 21.4%, and Serbia at 20.4%. Notice, however, that Croatian mainland has only 5.6%, Bosnian 10.1%, Herzegovinian at 8.5%--not even close. Not even Greek Macedonia has a lot—only 18.6%. Bulgaria only has 20.7%.
How can Macedonia and Serbia, two supposedly Slavic people from the Ukraine have the highest in all of Europe! Compare their numbers to:
1. Poland 3.6%
2. Ukraine 7.5%
Macedonians have more Mediterranean frequencies than Greek, Italians, and Spaniards! And yet, all of these countries are considered natives to the region! Strange, indeed!
The last frequency, J2E is also fascinating. J2E has its origin in the north fertile crescent—South West Asia. Who in Europe has the highest?
1. Albanian Kosovo 16.7%
2. Albanians 14.3%
3. Italian north central 9.6%
4. Macedonian 6.3%(2.8-14.0)
5. Greece 6.5%(3.1-13.5)
6. Serbian 5.3%
As for the other Slavic people or Balkans people, close to nothing!
Indeed, how can the modern day Macedonians, who exhibit the highest amounts in Mediterranean and Middle Eastern frequencies (in Europe) be a Slavic people that came in the 6th century from the Ukraine? It’s not possible in the least. If that was the case, Macedonians would resemble Ukraine, Poland, Russia, and others in the category but they don’t.
The Macedonian language is native to the Balkans. Any linguist will tell you that northern slavic is a branch of southern slavic.
According to Alinei:
I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology, namely, that of the ‘arrival’ of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live. The only logical conclusion can be that the southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the Slavic western and eastern branches in a differing manner and perhaps at different times.
Alinei further states that:
Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration for the Slavs… because none of the variant versions of such late settlement answers the question of what crucial factor could possibly have enabled the Slavs to have left their Bronze-Age firesides to become the dominant peoples of Europe. The southwestern portion of the Slavs had always bordered on the Italic people in Dalmatia, as well as in the areas of the eastern Alps and in the Po lowlands.
Alinei concludes:
The surmised ‘Slavic migration’ is full of inconsistencies. There is no ‘northern Slavic language’, it is rather only a variant of the southern Slavic… The first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic… and connected with Anatolia… Slavic presence in the territory, nearly identical to the one occupied by them today, exists ever since the Stone Age… The Slavs have (together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture… agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism. Germanic peoples adopted agriculture from the Slavs… The Balkans is one of the rare regions in which a real and true settlement of human groups coming from Anatolia is proven...
Since the Slavic language originated in the southern Balkans, and since Macedonians and Serbians can trace their descendants thousands of years ago to the southern Balkans, it is only logical to conclude that the language and people are native to the southern Balkans. Science buttresses this and any knowledgeable linguist will undergird it.
The ancient Macedonian language is mentioned as Slavic by Orbini in 1601 and the ancient Macedonian language is mentioned distinct of Greek by the ancient writers.
Even if we accept the claim that the ancient Macedonians didn’t speak Slavic, then the question is: how did almost the whole Balkans learn Slavic? If there was a Migration, as you suggest, we should surely see it in DNA studies. If the Slavs were the majority, this would be reflected in the DNA; if they were the minority, then how did they subdue the Balkans with such a diminutive number? Even if we accept this, how can we reconcile the fact that Slavic had its nascence in the south and not in the north? How could the migrants bring a language to the region, if that language has its origins in that region (the Southern Balkans)?
If the ancient Macedonians adopted Slavic, a fact which is impossible, why are modern Macedonians prohibited from claiming the ancients as their own? We already know based on science that Macedonians and Greeks are very similar in DNA; if the Macedonians are a product of a migration, then so are Greeks. If Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrians, Tunisians, and Algerians can claim the ancients as their own, even though today’s people speak a different language, have different customs, and serve different gods, why can’t the Macedonians claim the ancients as their own? And this assumes that today’s Macedonians have no connection in culture and language with the ancients on conjecture.
Were the ancient Greeks so immunable to the Slavic Migration that no Slavic presence has been left in Hellas?
How is that modern Slavic words and names, predate the Homeric poems, when the Slavic language apparently came in the 6th century AD in the Balkans? Take Vasil, for example, clearly a Slavic name that has been used before the times of Homer. And yet Vasil, unlike in Greek, does not merely mean “King.” It means a person “in power.” If you study the history of the name Vasil, and how it has been used historically, you would know that it has been used as an appellation for “king,”“potentate,”“prince,”“c hieftain,”“ruler,” etc. In other words, any person in power or authority—not just a “king” as the Hellenic language has it.
Today, the E3b1 line of descent is most heavily represented in Mediterranean populations. Approximately 10 percent of the men in Spain belong to this haplogroup, as do 12 percent of the men in northern Italy, and 13 percent of the men in central and southern Italy. Roughly 20 percent of the men in Sicily belong to this group. In the Balkans and Greece, between 20 to 30 percent of the men belong to E3b1, as do nearly 75 percent of the men in North Africa. The haplogroup is rarely found in India or East Asia. Around 10 percent of all European men trace their descent to this line. For example, in Ireland, 3 to 4 percent of the men belong; in England, 4 to 5 percent; Hungary, 7 percent; and Poland, 8 to 9 percent. Nearly 25 percent of Jewish men belong to this haplogroup.
If E3B1 is characterized by Mediterranean, and it is, isn’t it odd how Balkans people, a supposedly Slavic people from Ukraine, has the highest amount of this frequency? More than Spain and Italy—not even close. And isn’t it odd that according to Oxford Slavic people are characterized by a scarcity of E3b1. And yet, who has the highest of this frequency?
According to Oxford, Macedonia has the highest amount (next to Albania) at 24.1% in all of Europe,(only Morocco has more, 27.9%) followed closely by Greece at 21.4%, and Serbia at 20.4%. Notice, however, that Croatian mainland has only 5.6%, Bosnian 10.1%, Herzegovinian at 8.5%--not even close. Not even Greek Macedonia has a lot—only 18.6%. Bulgaria only has 20.7%.
How can Macedonia and Serbia, two supposedly Slavic people from the Ukraine have the highest in all of Europe! Compare their numbers to:
1. Poland 3.6%
2. Ukraine 7.5%
Macedonians have more Mediterranean frequencies than Greek, Italians, and Spaniards! And yet, all of these countries are considered natives to the region! Strange, indeed!
The last frequency, J2E is also fascinating. J2E has its origin in the north fertile crescent—South West Asia. Who in Europe has the highest?
1. Albanian Kosovo 16.7%
2. Albanians 14.3%
3. Italian north central 9.6%
4. Macedonian 6.3%(2.8-14.0)
5. Greece 6.5%(3.1-13.5)
6. Serbian 5.3%
As for the other Slavic people or Balkans people, close to nothing!
Indeed, how can the modern day Macedonians, who exhibit the highest amounts in Mediterranean and Middle Eastern frequencies (in Europe) be a Slavic people that came in the 6th century from the Ukraine? It’s not possible in the least. If that was the case, Macedonians would resemble Ukraine, Poland, Russia, and others in the category but they don’t.
The Macedonian language is native to the Balkans. Any linguist will tell you that northern slavic is a branch of southern slavic.
According to Alinei:
I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology, namely, that of the ‘arrival’ of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live. The only logical conclusion can be that the southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the Slavic western and eastern branches in a differing manner and perhaps at different times.
Alinei further states that:
Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration for the Slavs… because none of the variant versions of such late settlement answers the question of what crucial factor could possibly have enabled the Slavs to have left their Bronze-Age firesides to become the dominant peoples of Europe. The southwestern portion of the Slavs had always bordered on the Italic people in Dalmatia, as well as in the areas of the eastern Alps and in the Po lowlands.
Alinei concludes:
The surmised ‘Slavic migration’ is full of inconsistencies. There is no ‘northern Slavic language’, it is rather only a variant of the southern Slavic… The first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic… and connected with Anatolia… Slavic presence in the territory, nearly identical to the one occupied by them today, exists ever since the Stone Age… The Slavs have (together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture… agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism. Germanic peoples adopted agriculture from the Slavs… The Balkans is one of the rare regions in which a real and true settlement of human groups coming from Anatolia is proven...
Since the Slavic language originated in the southern Balkans, and since Macedonians and Serbians can trace their descendants thousands of years ago to the southern Balkans, it is only logical to conclude that the language and people are native to the southern Balkans. Science buttresses this and any knowledgeable linguist will undergird it.
The ancient Macedonian language is mentioned as Slavic by Orbini in 1601 and the ancient Macedonian language is mentioned distinct of Greek by the ancient writers.
Even if we accept the claim that the ancient Macedonians didn’t speak Slavic, then the question is: how did almost the whole Balkans learn Slavic? If there was a Migration, as you suggest, we should surely see it in DNA studies. If the Slavs were the majority, this would be reflected in the DNA; if they were the minority, then how did they subdue the Balkans with such a diminutive number? Even if we accept this, how can we reconcile the fact that Slavic had its nascence in the south and not in the north? How could the migrants bring a language to the region, if that language has its origins in that region (the Southern Balkans)?
If the ancient Macedonians adopted Slavic, a fact which is impossible, why are modern Macedonians prohibited from claiming the ancients as their own? We already know based on science that Macedonians and Greeks are very similar in DNA; if the Macedonians are a product of a migration, then so are Greeks. If Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrians, Tunisians, and Algerians can claim the ancients as their own, even though today’s people speak a different language, have different customs, and serve different gods, why can’t the Macedonians claim the ancients as their own? And this assumes that today’s Macedonians have no connection in culture and language with the ancients on conjecture.
Were the ancient Greeks so immunable to the Slavic Migration that no Slavic presence has been left in Hellas?
How is that modern Slavic words and names, predate the Homeric poems, when the Slavic language apparently came in the 6th century AD in the Balkans? Take Vasil, for example, clearly a Slavic name that has been used before the times of Homer. And yet Vasil, unlike in Greek, does not merely mean “King.” It means a person “in power.” If you study the history of the name Vasil, and how it has been used historically, you would know that it has been used as an appellation for “king,”“potentate,”“prince,”“c hieftain,”“ruler,” etc. In other words, any person in power or authority—not just a “king” as the Hellenic language has it.
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(Old) Albanian - Living legacy of a dead language?
According to the central hypothesis of a project undertaken by the Austrian Science Fund FWF, Old Albanian had a significant influence on the development of many Balkan languages. Intensive research now aims to confirm this theory. This little-known language is being researched using all available texts before a comparison with other Balkan languages is carried out. The outcome of this work will include the compilation of a lexicon providing an overview of all Old Albanian verbs.
Prema centralnoj hipotezi projekta preduzetog od austrijskog naucnog fonda FWF, Staroalbanski je imao znacajan uticaj na razvoj mnogih albanskih jezika. Intenzivno istrazivanje sada cilja da potvrdi ovu teoriju. Ovaj malo poznati jezik se istrazuje koristeci sve raspolozive tekstove pre poredjenja sa drugim balkanskim jezicima. Izlaz ovog rada ce ukljuciti kompilaciju leksike obezbedjujuci pregled svih staroalbanskih glagola.
www.fwf.ac.at/en/public_relations/press/pv200805-en.html
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The Slavic Migration Theory is a myth.
1. The ancient Macedonians, as the first Europeans to adopt Christianity, were called Christians. Only non-Christians could be slaves in the Roman Empire, since Church teaching dictated thus. However, since Rome did not become Christian until the fourth century AD, anyone could have been a slave.
Where the confusion lies is that Macedonians, in time, were called Slavs, because of their language being similar to the people of the north. Thus, those unbaptized people of the north, who spoke slavic, were called Slavs (Slaves), and then Macedonians were called slaves because their language was similar. If the Macedonians were slaves before the Christian era in Rome, then it is because they were slaves in building Rome, along with Greeks and others.
2. If the Migration theory is true, as you suggest, then surely there would be evidence of this in the DNA. If the Macedonians are the product of a migration with 15% R1a, then so is Crete with 14%-16%, southern Greeks with 12%, Greek Macedonians with 35%, Syrians and Lebanese with 10% R1a, and Albanians with 10%.
According to Oxford, "Contemporary Slavic paternal gene pool is characterized by the predominance of R1a and I1b (xM26) variants as well as the scarcity of E3b1 lineages as a result of the following prehistoric gene flows."
According to Stanford University,
"Haplogroup R1a is found today across a large swathe of Asia and Europe and may have originated in South or Central Asia. R1a is most common among Pakistanis, North Indians, Russians, Ukrainians, and the Kyrgyz and Altai peoples of Central Asia. Europe R1a is the most common in Slavic peoples and is also very common in Scandinavia. The presence of R1a in the British Isles is in the main due to Norse Viking ancestry…"
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Scientific Contact
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T +43 / 1 / 4277 - 41 753
M +43 / 676 / 79 73 521
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(Old) Albanian - Living legacy of a dead language?
According to the central hypothesis of a project undertaken by the Austrian Science Fund FWF, Old Albanian had a significant influence on the development of many Balkan languages. Intensive research now aims to confirm this theory. This little-known language is being researched using all available texts before a comparison with other Balkan languages is carried out. The outcome of this work will include the compilation of a lexicon providing an overview of all Old Albanian verbs.
Prema centralnoj hipotezi projekta preduzetog od austrijskog naucnog fonda FWF, Staroalbanski je imao znacajan uticaj na razvoj mnogih albanskih jezika. Intenzivno istrazivanje sada cilja da potvrdi ovu teoriju. Ovaj malo poznati jezik se istrazuje koristeci sve raspolozive tekstove pre poredjenja sa drugim balkanskim jezicima. Izlaz ovog rada ce ukljuciti kompilaciju leksike obezbedjujuci pregled svih staroalbanskih glagola.
www.fwf.ac.at/en/public_relations/press/pv200805-en.html
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Njega niko ne uzima za ozbiljno ovde, sam si se zeznuo niko ti nije kriv!
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Pa ti se pozvas na ovog kretena ovde u Becu, koga niko ne uzima za ozbiljno? (joj gde je onaj mali sto udara glavom u zid, nikako ne mogu da ga nadjem...)
ovog malog hoces,on je skoro zadnji
Ovaj pdf je najveseliji uvek guzva i dobra zabava!
Plavo Andjelce:
To ti mislis.
Pogledaj budzet koji se izdvaja za istrazivanje, i tu ucestvuje dosta istrazivaca.
Pogledaj Austrian Science Fund FWF.
Ono sto je jasno to je da postoji staroalbanski.
I da je uticao na grcki, ex yu makedonski, srpski istocne Srbije, bugarski, rumunski i mnoge druge jezike.
Jasno je i sledece.
Anticki Makedonci su govorili staroalbanski.
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Die Albanologie, heute im deutschsprachigen Raum mit nur einer Professur in München vertreten!
Albanisch, das einen eigenen Zweig in den indogermanischen Sprachen darstellt, gehört mit Neugriechisch, Bulgarisch, Mazedonisch und Rumänisch zum Balkansprachbund. Diese Sprachen weisen gemeinsame Wörter und Strukturen auf.
Matzinger: "Es ist viel Austausch passiert. An den multilateralen Beeinflussungen der Sprachen sieht man, dass die Sprecher viel miteinander zu tun hatten, etwa im Handel oder in der Weidewirtschaft."
Schumacher und Matzinger vertreten die These, dass das Albanische eine zentrale Rolle im Balkansprachbund spielt. Sie wollen zeigen, was am Albanischen typisch für die Balkansprachen ist.
"Vermutlich" Albanisch erst im 16. Jahrhundert verschriftlicht wurde.!
E pa, gospodine!
Citaj gore, ako treba prevod, kazi!
On i ovaj drugi zastupaju samo TEZU!
To je samo TEZA!
Kazu da u bugarskom,makedonskom,albanskom i rumunskom jeziku ima zajednickih reci, sto rezultira kako oni kazu saradnjom u trgovini tih naroda.
TEZA, ali pazi TEZA koju oni zastupaju je da albanski igra centralnu ulogu jezika na Balkanu i da je jedan od balkanskih jezika.
Dokaza pouzdanih i sigurnih NEMAJU za albanski jezik pre 16.veka, jer se tek tada pojavljuje u pisanom obliku!
Oni samo pretpostavljaju i daju TEZE!
Zato ako nemas bolje dokaze ne cackaj sa kvazi dokazima sa nemackog govornog podrucija!
Albanisch, das einen eigenen Zweig in den indogermanischen Sprachen darstellt, gehört mit Neugriechisch, Bulgarisch, Mazedonisch und Rumänisch zum Balkansprachbund. Diese Sprachen weisen gemeinsame Wörter und Strukturen auf.
Matzinger: "Es ist viel Austausch passiert. An den multilateralen Beeinflussungen der Sprachen sieht man, dass die Sprecher viel miteinander zu tun hatten, etwa im Handel oder in der Weidewirtschaft."
Schumacher und Matzinger vertreten die These, dass das Albanische eine zentrale Rolle im Balkansprachbund spielt. Sie wollen zeigen, was am Albanischen typisch für die Balkansprachen ist.
"Vermutlich" Albanisch erst im 16. Jahrhundert verschriftlicht wurde.!
E pa, gospodine!
Citaj gore, ako treba prevod, kazi!
On i ovaj drugi zastupaju samo TEZU!
To je samo TEZA!
Kazu da u bugarskom,makedonskom,albanskom i rumunskom jeziku ima zajednickih reci, sto rezultira kako oni kazu saradnjom u trgovini tih naroda.
TEZA, ali pazi TEZA koju oni zastupaju je da albanski igra centralnu ulogu jezika na Balkanu i da je jedan od balkanskih jezika.
Dokaza pouzdanih i sigurnih NEMAJU za albanski jezik pre 16.veka, jer se tek tada pojavljuje u pisanom obliku!
Oni samo pretpostavljaju i daju TEZE!
Zato ako nemas bolje dokaze ne cackaj sa kvazi dokazima sa nemackog govornog podrucija!
Poceo sam sa tim da naziv Dorci potice od albanske reci:
Dorë (dor): ruka
Gledajuci u svetlu novih cinjenica:
Naziv dorskog naroda potice od albanske reci dorë: ruka!
Nastavicu sutra sa mnogim drugim recima.
Grci jesu kamuflirali ali cu da iznesem dokaze gde su otkriveni.
I pokazacu staroalbanski pisan grckim alfabetom.
To sto se salite ne smeta mi, naprotiv jako je zabavno.
Mnogo je bolje da ex yu Makedonci i neki domaci ucesnici iznose neke argumente nego da se smeju. Ali sta da iznesu kada nemaju.
Naravno, bilo bi mi teze da je neki Grk tu. Grci su mnogo bolje potkovani i mnogo su ozbiljniji.
Ovako, jedini iznosim argumente i to neko cita, i necete verovati dobijam podrsku srpskih ucesnika foruma.
Dorë (dor): ruka
Gledajuci u svetlu novih cinjenica:
Naziv dorskog naroda potice od albanske reci dorë: ruka!
Nastavicu sutra sa mnogim drugim recima.
Grci jesu kamuflirali ali cu da iznesem dokaze gde su otkriveni.
I pokazacu staroalbanski pisan grckim alfabetom.
To sto se salite ne smeta mi, naprotiv jako je zabavno.
Mnogo je bolje da ex yu Makedonci i neki domaci ucesnici iznose neke argumente nego da se smeju. Ali sta da iznesu kada nemaju.
Naravno, bilo bi mi teze da je neki Grk tu. Grci su mnogo bolje potkovani i mnogo su ozbiljniji.
Ovako, jedini iznosim argumente i to neko cita, i necete verovati dobijam podrsku srpskih ucesnika foruma.
Andjela
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Ako pazljivo citas videces da govorim "prema centralnoj hipotezi", "prema austrijskom profesoru Sumaheru" i td.
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Sto je najvaznije, ima pisanih tragova!!!
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