Генетичка генеалогија

[Прибислав]

Мени је најинтересантнији онај IJK пронађен у Вестоницама (Gravettian, 28 700-27 300 BC), указује на брзоплетост и површност при формулисању ранијих хипотеза о месту настанка Y-DNA хаплогрупе I.

Свакако јесу јако интересантни ти Вестоничани, мада су узорци очекивано слабијег квалитета због велике старости. По Генетикеровој анализи овај узорак је чини ми се испао IJ* (IJ 2/2, I 0/6, J 0/10). Други Вестоничанин је C1а2-V86, трећи C1 (хC1б), по свој прилици и он C1a2, а Павлов из њима непосредне близине је I.

 

[filipi]

Zašto prećutkuješ da su svi ovi L621-
Odnosno da nisu moji preci.
(kažem moji jer sam i sam I2a1)
A ne pominješ recimo Španiju.

Sta si ti ?

 

[Ahil71]

Sta si ti ?

U kom smislu?

 

[filipi]

U kom smislu?

Pa napisao si " i sam sam I2a1",pa ne kontam.
Doduse skoro si i pisao da su CTS10228 i PH908 paralelne grane

 

[Ahil71]

Nemoj sad i ti ko ovaj strucnjak COPY PASTE Ahil .Pored ta dva iz Srbije imamo i 4 iz Hrvatske,dok u Svedskoj,Latviji ,Bjelorosiji,Luksemburgu,kako stvari stoje,gdje god zakopaju iskocit ce M423. TMRCA 13500 god....Na balkanu ga neces naci ni u paralelnom univerzumu,osim njegove potomke L621 CTS10228 koji su dosli sa ekspanzijom Slovena u 7 vijeku.

Možda su je došao sa Slovenima, ali ovakvim pristupom to nikada nećemo saznati.
Praviš pometnju.
Konstntno podmećeš laži, a bogami i Kor ti pomaže.
Ne da nisu na svakom kopanju, već ih ovde uopšte nije bilo.
Još je njihv I2a1 nalaz više od 3000 godina mlađi od Lepenskog Vira.
7465-7078 calBCE (8240±70 BP) Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5a2c R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
6467-6249 calBCE (7525±60 BP) Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 F U5a1c ..
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5a2c R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5a2d R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 F U5a1d2 ..
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U4b1a2 I2a1
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5b1d1 R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U4a1 I2a1
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5a1c I2a2a1b
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5b2a1a Q1a2
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5a2c3 I2a2a1
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 F U5a1d ..
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5a1c I2a2a1
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 F U2e1 ..
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5a2d I2a2a1b
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Latvia_MN .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U4a1 R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
5841-5636 calBCE (6840±55 BP, Hela-1212) Latvia_EN Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U2e1 R1b1a1a
5302-4852 calBCE (6145±80 BP,Ua-19883) Latvia_EN Latvia_HG .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U5a2d R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
4522-4263 BCE (5545±65 BP, Ua-19815, context date)  Latvia_MN Latvia_MN .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 F U4a1 ..
4251-3976 calBCE (5280±55 BP, Ua-3639) Latvia_MN Latvia_MN .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 M U4a1 R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
3777-3386 calBCE (4850±60 BP)  Latvia_HG Latvia_MN .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 F U4d1 ..
3089-2676 calBCE (4280±60 BP, Ua-19811) Latvia_LN_CW Latvia_LN .. Zvejnieki .. Latvia 56.28 25.13 F U5a1b ..

Slično kao i Lepenski Vir, samo 3000 godina mlađe.

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Pa napisao si " i sam sam I2a1",pa ne kontam.
Doduse skoro si i pisao da su CTS10228 i PH908 paralelne grane

Nisam, osim ako je neki lapsus, ne verujem.
Kažem da je I2a1 moja haplogrupa.

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Ovi mogu biti i
Narva Lithuania Spiginas [1] M 4440-4240 calBCE 962584 I2a1a2a1a H11a Mittnik 2017

Najstariji nalazi u Letoniji
Latvia Zvejnieki [Burial 93; HG2] M 7791-7586 cal BP 172,707,718 R1b1a1a P297; reported as R1b1b, using Karafet et al. 2008 tree U2e1 Jones 2017; additional info on Y-DNA from Sergey Malyshev
Latvia Zvejnieki [Burial 121; HG3] M 7252-6802 cal BP 37,749,963 R1b1a1a P297; reported as R1b1b, using Karafet et al. 2008 tree U5a2d

 

[Ahil71]

A onaj iz Litvanije M423 na granici sa Bjelorusijom (Narva) 2900~3100 pre nove ere. Kako god nalaze ih,kod nas na ovoliko testiranih NIJEDAN.
Nisi na pravio lapsus,ne mozes na praviti takav lapsus,tacno si napisao i tvrdio da su CTS10228 i PH908, paralelne grane.Znam da se i Kor smijao,nije lepo bilo sa njwgove strane

To je 6000 godina mlađe.

 

[filipi]

A onaj iz Litvanije M423 na granici sa Bjelorusijom (Narva) 2900~3100 pre nove ere. Kako god nalaze ih,kod nas na ovoliko testiranih NIJEDAN.
Nisi napravio lapsus,ne mozes napraviti takav lapsus,tacno si napisao i tvrdio da su CTS10228 i PH908, paralelne grane.Znam da se i Kor smijao,nije lepo to bilo sa njegove strane.

 

[Ahil71]

A onaj iz Litvanije M423 na granici sa Bjelorusijom (Narva) 2900~3100 pre nove ere. Kako god nalaze ih,kod nas na ovoliko testiranih NIJEDAN.
Nisi napravio lapsus,ne mozes napraviti takav lapsus,tacno si napisao i tvrdio da su CTS10228 i PH908, paralelne grane.Znam da se i Kor smijao,nije lepo to bilo sa njegove strane.

Ovde nijedan nije ni testiran; iz tog perioda,
Pobrkao si nešto.
Ti nikako nisi mogao da ukapiraš da su PH908 i Z16971 iz paralelnih grana.
Uporno si tvrdio da je PH908 mlađa, odnosno da je jug mlađi.
Veruj mi problem je u tebi.

 

[filipi]

Ovde nijedan nije ni testiran; iz tog perioda,
Pobrkao si nešto.
Ti nikako nisi mogao da ukapiraš da su PH908 i Z16971 iz paralelnih grana.
Uporno si tvrdio da je PH908 mlađa, odnosno da je jug mlađi.
Veruj mi problem je u tebi.

hahaha,ma kakavZ16971,nemoj se sad vaditi i izmisljati.Pricali smo o CTS10228 i S17250,Z17855,PH908.Ti si tvrdio da su to sve paralelne grane sa CTS10228 a ne nizvodno.Hajde nije bitno,ubrzo si skonto i to je to.Jos samo da prebolis ove nalaze o kojima ste ovde kmecali godinama i trazili i sve je OK

 

[Момчило]

Nemoj sad i ti ko ovaj strucnjak COPY PASTE Ahil .Pored ta dva iz Srbije imamo i 4 iz Hrvatske,dok u Svedskoj,Latviji ,Bjelorosiji,Luksemburgu,kako stvari stoje,gdje god zakopaju iskocit ce M423. TMRCA 13500 god....Na balkanu ga neces naci ni u paralelnom univerzumu,osim njegove potomke L621 CTS10228 koji su dosli sa ekspanzijom Slovena u 7 vijeku.

Дакле грешим.
ТМРЦА је 13500 година, а не око 5000 година, за М423.

Повлачим примедбу, све са длаком и јајетом.

 

[filipi]

Дакле грешим.
ТМРЦА је 13500 година, а не око 5000 година, за М423.

Повлачим примедбу, све са длаком и јајетом.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-M423/

 

[Момчило]

Од заједљивих пецкања нико није ни прокоментарисао прве резултате старе ДНА из Србије.
Надам се да није патка, пошто нисам схватио ко је урадио анализу.

Мени је једино изненађење Р1б (35%) у Србији и то пре бронзаних коњаника (Орка).

Оволику количину И2 (50%) сам очекивао.
Недостатак И2а1 ме не изненађује јер га очекујем у динарском (западном) делу Балкана.
И2а2 (протогермани) су отпртљали, уз Дунав на север.

Пећински Г2 (15%) је очекиван.

Све се зауставило пре две три хиљаде година (можда и раније), када су језичке групе достигле критичну масу (број) и када је било јако тешко драстично променити ситуацију на терену, то јест изгурати некога силом, са сопствене територије.

 

[Ahil71]

hahaha,ma kakavZ16971,nemoj se sad vaditi i izmisljati.Pricali smo o CTS10228 i S17250,Z17855,PH908.Ti si tvrdio da su to sve paralelne grane sa CTS10228 a ne nizvodno.Hajde nije bitno,ubrzo si skonto i to je to.Jos samo da prebolis ove nalaze o kojima ste ovde kmecali godinama i trazili i sve je OK

Pogledajte prilog 440198

Ubio si ovde sa pričom kako je jug mlađi.
O tome smo diskutovali.

 

[filipi]

Од заједљивих пецкања нико није ни прокоментарисао прве резултате старе ДНА из Србије.
Надам се да није патка, пошто нисам схватио ко је урадио анализу.

Мени је једино изненађење Р1б (35%) у Србији и то пре бронзаних коњаника (Орка).

Оволику количину И2 (50%) сам очекивао.
Недостатак И2а1 ме не изненађује јер га очекујем у динарском (западном) делу Балкана.
И2а2 (протогермани) су отпртљали, уз Дунав на север.

Пећински Г2 (15%) је очекиван.

Све се зауставило пре две три хиљаде година (можда и раније), када су језичке групе достигле критичну масу (број) и када је било јако тешко драстично променити ситуацију на терену, то јест изгурати некога силом, са сопствене територије.

Pa imas i u Hrvatskoj nalaze,nece biti nikakve misterije u tom dinarskom dijelu

1700-1500 BCE Veliki Vanik Croatia M J2b2a
5600-5470 BCE Zemunica Cave Croatia M C1a2
5600-5470 BCE Zemunica Cave Croatia M E1b1b1a1b1
4790-4558 calBCE Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia M I
5837-5659 calBCE Starcevo_EN .. Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia M C
2884-2666 calBCE Croatia_Vucedol .. Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia M R1b1a1a2a2
2872-2617 calBCE Croatia_Vucedol .. Vucedol tell Croatia M G2a2a1a2a

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Ubio si ovde sa pričom kako je jug mlađi.
O tome smo diskutovali.

Ma to si ti sa nekim drugim.Ja i ne pamtim kada sam spominjao termine Jug i Sjever.To se vise ne koristi.

 

[Ahil71]

Ispravljena R1b. Hronološki.
12230-11830 calBCE (12140±70 BP, KIA-27004) Villabruna Villabruna Italy U5b2b R1b1a
9500-6200 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5a1c R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
9221-8548 calBCE (9480±110* BP, AA-57771) Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5b2c R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
8703–8246 calBCE (9198±103* BP, BM-1147) Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5a2a R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
7580-7190 calBCE (8369±73*, OxA-31595) Iron_Gates_HG Ostrovul Corbului Romania H13 R1b1a
7465-7078 calBCE (8240±70 BP) Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5a2c R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
7446-7058 calBCE (8190±60 BP, Poz-81129) Ukraine_Mesolithic Vasil'evka Ukraine U5b2 R1b1a2
7300-6000 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Hadučka Vodenica Serbia U5b2b R1b1a(xR1b1a1,xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5a2a R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
6222-5912 calBCE (7179±73* BP, OxA-25211) Lepenski_Vir_Neolithic Lepenski Vir Serbia H40 R1b1a
6061-5841 calBCE (7078±85* BP, AA-57769) Iron_Gates_HG_outlier Padina Serbia K1a R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5a2c R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5a2d R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5b1d1 R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U4a1 R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
5841-5636 calBCE (6840±55 BP, Hela-1212) Latvia_EN Zvejnieki Latvia U2e1 R1b1a1a
5657-5541 calBCE (6680±30 BP, Beta-392490) Samara_HG Lebyanzhinka, Sok River, Samara Russia U5a1d R1b1a1a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic_brother_of_S5890.E1.L1_father_or_son_of_I3718 Dereivka Ukraine U5a1b R1b1(xR1b1a1a2)
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U5a1b R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U5a1 R1b1a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U4a R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U5a1b R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U4a1 R1b1a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U5a2a R1b1
5302-4852 calBCE (6145±80 BP,Ua-19883) Latvia_EN Zvejnieki Latvia U5a2d R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
5294-5066 calBCE (6217±25 BP, MAMS-16161) Iberia_EN Els Trocs Spain T2c1d or T2c1d2 R1b1a(xR1b1a1a2)
5200-4000 BCE Samara_Eneolithic Khvalynsk, Volga River, Samara Russia H2a1 R1b1a
4545-4450 calBCE (5670±30 BP, Beta-432806) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic Smyadovo Bulgaria K1a26 R1b1a
4251-3976 calBCE (5280±55 BP, Ua-3639) Latvia_MN Zvejnieki Latvia U4a1 R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
3654-3527 calBCE (4815±26 BP, MAMS-22818) Baalberge_MN Quedlinburg Germany HV R1b1a(xR1b1a1a2)
3339-2918 calBCE (4432±66 BP, AA-47804) Yamnaya_Samara Lopatino, Sok River, Samara Russia T2c1a2 R1b1a1a2a2
3335-2882 calBCE (4370±75 BP, AA-12570) Yamnaya_Samara Kutuluk, Kutuluk River, Samara Russia H6a1b R1b1a1a2
3334-2635 calBCE (4312±94 BP, IGAN-2880) Yamnaya_Kalmykia.SG Peshany V Russia U5a1i R1b1a1a2
3321-2921 calBCE (4420±30 BP, Beta-392491) Yamnaya_Samara Lopatino, Sok River, Samara Russia U5a1a1 R1b1a1a2
3300-2700 BCE Yamnaya_Samara Ishkinovka, Eastern Orenburg, Pre-Ural steppe, Samara Russia H13a1a1 R1b1a1a2a2
3300-2700 BCE Yamnaya_Samara Lopatino, Sok River, Samara Russia W3a1a R1b1a1a2a
3021-2635 calBCE (4254±61 BP, AA-47807) Yamnaya_Samara Luzkhi, Samara River, Samara Russia U5a1a1 R1b1a1a2a2
3000-2400 BCE Yamnaya_Kalmykia.SG Temrta Russia U5a1d2b R1b1a1a2
3000-2400 BCE Yamnaya_Kalmykia.SG Temrta Russia U4 R1b1a1a2a2
2921-2762 calBCE (4260±30 BP, Beta-392487) Yamnaya_Samara Ekaterinovka, Southern Steppe, Samara Russia U4a1a or U4a1d R1b1a1a2a2
2887-2666 calBCE (4180±30 BP, Beta-392492) Poltavka Lopatino, Sok River, Samara Russia I3a R1b1a1a2a2
2887-2634 calBCE (4175±35 BP, GrA-58960) Yamnaya_Kalmykia.SG Temrta Russia T2a1a R1b1a1a2a2
2884-2666 calBCE (4176±28 BP, BRAMS-1304) Croatia_Vucedol Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia T2e R1b1a1a2a2
2872-2583 calBCE (4130±30 BP, Beta-392488) Poltavka Grachevka, Sok River, Samara Russia U2d2 R1b1a1a2
2868-2580 calBCE (4124±31 BP, UBA-27948) Corded_Ware_Germany.SG Tiefbrunn Germany U5b1c2 R1b1
2867-2486 calBCE (4081±54 BP, AA-53803) Poltavka Kutuluk, Kutuluk River, Samara Russia H6a2 R1b1a1a2a2
2857-2497 calBCE (4082±28 BP, AAR-20358) Russia_EBA.SG Stalingrad Quarry Russia N1a1a-T152C R1b1a1a2a2c
2800-2200 BCE Poltavka Nikolaevka III, Samara River, Samara Russia H13a1a R1b1a1a2a2
2572-2512 calBCE (3955±35 BP, Poz-84553) Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG Osterhofen-Altenmarkt Germany K1c1 R1b1a1a2a1a2
2500-2000 BCE Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG Augsburg Germany U5a1a1 R1b1a1a2
2500-2000 BCE Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG Osterhofen-Altenmarkt Germany H-T16311C R1b1a1a2a1
2467-2142 calBCE (3839±55 BP, Er-8558) Bell_Beaker_Germany Quedlinburg Germany H1 R1b1a1a2
2431-2150 calBCE (3824±25 BP, MAMS-22820) Bell_Beaker_Germany Quedlinburg Germany H1 R1b1a1a2a1a2
2286-2048 calBCE (3762±27 BP, OxA-27967) Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland.SG Leki Male Poland T2e R1b1a
2279-2033 calBCE (3740±35 BP, Poz-84460) Bell_Beaker_Czech.SG Knezeves Czech Republic H R1b1a1a2a1a
2275-2032 calBCE (3736±32 BP, OxA-28987) Nordic_LN.SG L Beddinge Sweden K1b1a1 R1b1a1a2a1a1
1691-1519 calBCE (3330±29, OxA-32104) Germany_Bronze_Age.SG Untermeitingen Germany J1c1b R1b1a1a2a1a
1499-1324 calBCE (3153±26 BP, OxA-28258) Nordic_BA.SG Sebber skole Denmark I R1b1a1a2
794-547 calBCE (2525±25 BP, OxA-30485) Nordic_LBA.SG Trundholm Denmark T2b R1b1a1a2

 

[Ahil71]

I2a1 hronolski
11820-11610 calBCE (11855±50 BP, OxA-27763) Bichon Grotte du Bichon Switzerland U5b1h I2a1a2a
8753–8351 calBCE (9331±58 BP, BM-1146) Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5a2d I2a1
8280-7967 calBCE (8960±50 BP, Poz-81127) Ukraine_Mesolithic Vasil'evka Ukraine U5b2 I2a1
6210-5990 calBCE (7205±50 BP, OxA-7738) Loschbour_published.DG Echternach Luxembourg U5b1a I2a1b
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U4b1a2 I2a1
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U4a1 I2a1
5964-5638 calBCE (6877±69 BP, Ua-42117) Motala_HG Motala, Kanaljorden Sweden U5a1 I2a1b
5964-5629 calBCE (6863±75 BP, Ua-42120) Motala_HG Motala, Kanaljorden Sweden U5a2d I2a1
5780-5640 calBCE (6835±34 BP, OxA-23757) Koros_Hungary_EN_HG Tiszaszolos-Domahaza Hungary R1b1 I2a1
5721-5631 calBCE (6773±30 BP, Ua-51723) Motala_HG Motala, Kanaljorden Sweden U2e1 I2a1b2a1
5310-5078 calBCE (6249±28 BP, MAMS-16164) Iberia_EN Els Trocs Spain N1a1a1 I2a1b1
4491-4357 calBCE (5598±32 BP, MAMS-14819) Lengyel_LN Apc-Berekalya Hungary N1a1a1a I2a1
3360-3086 calBCE (4502±48 BP, Er-8699) Esperstedt_MN Esperstedt Germany T2b I2a1b1a1
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain U3a1 I2a1a1a

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Starčevo Croatia Vinkovci Jugobanka [VINJ 4] M I2a1

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I2a2
7460-7040 calBCE (8185±80 BP, ETH-7615) Falkenstein Falkenstein-Höhle, Swabian Jura, Baden-Württemberg, Germany U5a2c I2a2a
7300-6000 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Hadučka Vodenica Serbia U5b2b I2a2
6500-4000 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4b1b1 I2a2
6355-5990 calBCE (7264±80 BP, OxA-16941, on Burial 20 - skull) Iron_Gates_HG Hadučka Vodenica Serbia U5a1c1 I2a2a1b2
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG_brother_of_I4880 Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1 I2a2a1b
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4a I2a2a
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1 I2a2a1b2
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1 I2a2a1b2
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5a1c I2a2a1b
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5a2c3 I2a2a1
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5a1c I2a2a1
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5a2d I2a2a1b
5726-5575 calBCE (6750±40 BP, Poz-81117) Bulgaria_Neolithic Yabalkovo Bulgaria T1a I2a2
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic_father_or_son_of_S5875.E1.L1 Dereivka Ukraine U5b2b1 I2a2
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U5a2a I2a2a1b1
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U4a1 I2a2a1b
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4d I2a2a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U2e1 I2a2a1b1
5473-5326 calBCE (6420±40 BP, Poz-81153) Ukraine_Neolithic Vovnigi Ukraine U5a2 I2a2a1b1b
3900-3600 BCE Iberia_MN La Mina Spain H1 I2a2a1b2
3400-2800 BCE Globular_Amphora_Poland Kierzkowo Poland K1b1a1 I2a2a1b
3400-1600 BCE Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA Beli Breyag Bulgaria .. I2a2
3338-3025 calBCE (4470±30 BP, Ly-5516) Bulgaria_EBA Smyadovo Bulgaria U1a1 I2a2a1b
3335-3020 calBCE (4460±30 BP, Beta-430713) Globular_Amphora_Poland Kierzkowo Poland W5 I2a2
3328-3015 calBCE (4445±35 BP, Ly-5515) Bulgaria_EBA Smyadovo Bulgaria K1c1 I2a2a1b1
3020-2895 calBCE (4340±30 BP, Beta-432797) Bulgaria_EBA Merichleri, Kairyaka necropolis Bulgaria T2f I2a2a1b1b
3012-2900 calBCE (4333±20 BP, MAMS-26834) Yamnaya_Bulgaria_outlier Mednikarovo Bulgaria .. I2a2a1b1b
2899-2706 calBCE Globular_Amphora_Ukraine Ilyatka Ukraine J1c3 I2a2a1b
2890-2694 calBCE Globular_Amphora_Ukraine Ilyatka Ukraine T2b I2a2a1b2
2870-2575 calBCE (4120±30 BP, Beta-430712) Globular_Amphora_Poland Kierzkowo Poland U5b2b1 I2a2
2849-2143 calBCE (3940±90 BP, IGAN-4079) Yamnaya_Kalmykia.SG Ulan Russia T2a1a I2a2a1b1b2
2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain H3 I2a2a2a
2000-1500 BCE Vatya.SG Erd Hungary T2b I2a2a1a2a
1746-1611 calBCE (3372±29 BP, OxA-29769) Vatya.SG Százhalombatta-Földvár Hungary H11a I2a2a1

 

[Ahil71]

Region hronoloski
9700-6000 calBCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia K1c ..
9700-6000 calBCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U8b1b ..
9500-6200 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U4a ..
9500-6200 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia K1c ..
9500-6200 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5a2d ..
9500-6200 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5a1c R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
9500-6200 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5a1 ..
9500-6200 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia K1f ..
9221-8548 calBCE (9480±110* BP, AA-57771) Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5b2c R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
8753–8351 calBCE (9331±58 BP, BM-1146) Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5a2d I2a1
8703–8246 calBCE (9198±103* BP, BM-1147) Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5a2a R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
8350-7750 BCE [daughter of I5236 at 8290-7825 calBCE (8943±77 BP, BM-1146)] Iron_Gates_HG_daughter_of_I5236 Padina Serbia U5a2a ..
8240-7940 calBCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4a I
7580-7190 calBCE (8369±73*, OxA-31595) Iron_Gates_HG Ostrovul Corbului Romania H13 R1b1a
7340-6640 calBCE (8046±122*, OxA-4380) Iron_Gates_HG Schela Cladovei Romania U5a2 I2
7308-7027 calBCE (8110±50 BP, Poz-90130) Croatia_Mesolithic_HG Vela Spila Croatia U5b2b ..
7300-6000 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Hadučka Vodenica Serbia U5b2b I2a2
7300-6000 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Hadučka Vodenica Serbia U5b2b R1b1a(xR1b1a1,xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
7300-6000 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Hadučka Vodenica Serbia U5a1c ..
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5b2a1a ..
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5a1c ..
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5b1d1a ..
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5a2d ..
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5b1d1 ..
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5a2a R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
7050-6530 calBCE (7878±90*, OxA-4383/8581) Iron_Gates_HG Schela Cladovei Romania K1 R
7021–6473 calBCE (7812±69*, [8305±50 BP, OxA-3159], [8300±40 BP, PSU-1749], [8335±45 BP, PSU-1904]) Iron_Gates_HG Ostrovul Corbului Romania K1 ..
7000-5900 BCE Romania_Neolithic_possibly_Mesolithic Măgura Buduiasca Romania K1 ..
6655-6225 calBCE (7660±85*, AA-57778) Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia K1c I2
6636-6476 calBCE (7725±40 BP, OxA-20702) Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5b2a1a ..
6500-6250 calBCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5a1c1 I
6400-5500 BCE Croatia_Cardial_Neolithic Zemunica Cave Croatia H1 ..
6355-5990 calBCE (7264±80 BP, OxA-16941, on Burial 20 - skull) Iron_Gates_HG Hadučka Vodenica Serbia U5a1c1 I2a2a1b2
6300-6150 BCE Bulgaria_Neolithic Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria H G2a2b2b1a
6224-5878 calBCE (7158±85* BP, AA-57770) Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5b1d1 ..
6222-5912 calBCE (7179±73* BP, OxA-25211) Lepenski_Vir_Neolithic Lepenski Vir Serbia H40 R1b1a
6205-5907 calBCE (7155±54* BP, OxA-25210) Lepenski_Vir_Neolithic Lepenski Vir Serbia J2b1 ..
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG_brother_of_I4880 Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1 I2a2a1b
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4a I2a2a
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1 I2a2a1b2
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1 I2a2a1b2
6061-5841 calBCE (7078±85* BP, AA-57769) Iron_Gates_HG_outlier Padina Serbia K1a R1b1a(xR1b1a1a,xR1b1a1a2)
6034-5843 calBCE (7070±50 BP, Poz-81119) Balkans_Neolithic Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria T2b ..
6032-5837 calBCE (7060±50 BP, Poz-81112) Bulgaria_EN Ohoden Bulgaria K1a ..
6022-5887 calBCE (7075±37 BP, OxA-32777) Balkans_Dzhulyunitsa_Neolithic Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria K1a4b C
6006-5838 calBCE (7035±40 BP, OxA-16544) Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5a2a ..
6000-5900 BCE Bulgaria_Neolithic Yabalkovo Bulgaria H G2a2a1a2a
6000-5300 BCE Starcevo_EN Saraorci-Jezava Serbia K1a4a1 ..
5837-5659 calBCE (6850±40, Poz-90129) Starcevo_EN Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia U8b1b1 C
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic_1d_rel_I1108 Malak Preslavets Bulgaria T2e T1a1a
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria T2e T1a1
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria J2b1 ..
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria U5a1c ..
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria J1c G2a2b2a
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria U5a2 C
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria H5b ..
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria T2b ..
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria J2b1 ..
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria H G2a2b2a
5726-5575 calBCE (6750±40 BP, Poz-81117) Bulgaria_Neolithic Yabalkovo Bulgaria T1a I2a2
5715-5626 calBCE (6755±30 BP, PSUAMS-1747) Romania_EN Cotatcu Romania K1a2 G2a2b2b
5604-5376 calBCE (6520±40 BP, Poz-82186) Balkans_Neolithic Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Vojvodina Serbia HV G2a2a1
5600-5500 BCE Bulgaria_EN Samovodene Bulgaria T2e ..
5600-5470 BCE Croatia_Cardial_Neolithic Zemunica Cave Croatia K1b1a C1a2
5600-5470 BCE Croatia_Cardial_Neolithic Zemunica Cave Croatia N1a1 E1b1b1a1b1
5484-5372 calBCE (6470±30 BP, PSUAMS-1748) Romania_EN Carcea Romania J1c5 ..
500-400 BCE Bulgaria_IA Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria H ..
4790-4558 calBCE (5830±40 BP, Poz-90127) Sopot_LN Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia U5b2b I
4763-4536 calBCE (5790±40 BP, Poz-90128) Sopot_LN Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia N1a1 ..
4725-4605 calBCE (5820±30 BP, Beta-432807) Bulgaria_Middle_Chalcolithic Ivanovo Bulgaria N1b2 G2a2b2a1a1c1a
4711-4542 calBCE [4711-4550 calBCE (5787±30 BP, OxA-13688); 4686-4542 calBCE (5755±24 BP, MAMS-30944)] Bulgaria_Varna_Eneolithic3 Varna Bulgaria .. ..
4711-4530 calBCE (5766±36 BP, OxA 13848) Bulgaria_Varna_Eneolithic2 Varna Bulgaria .. G2a2b2b
4710-4504 calBCE (5760±40 BP, Poz-82185) Balkans_Neolithic Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Vojvodina Serbia K1a4 G2a2a1a
4685-4499 calBCE (5735±31 BP, OxA-24041) Bulgaria_Varna_Eneolithic2 Varna Bulgaria .. G2
4683-4406 calBCE [4683-4488 calBCE (5720±29 BP, OxA 13685), 4550-4406 calBCE (5662±27 BP, MAMS 15095)] Bulgaria_Varna_Eneolithic1 Varna Bulgaria .. CT
4679-4450 calBCE (5690±40 BP, Poz-83662) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic Sushina Bulgaria T2c1b ..
4605-4460 calBCE (5700±30 BP, Beta-432798) Balkans_Neolithic Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Vojvodina Serbia H G2a2a1a
4551-4374 calBCE (5657±30 BP, OxA-13692) Bulgaria_Varna_Eneolithic1 Varna Bulgaria .. R1
4550-4455 calBCE (5680±30 BP, Beta-432803) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic1 Smyadovo Bulgaria HV15 R
4545-4450 calBCE (5670±30 BP, Beta-432806) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic Smyadovo Bulgaria K1a26 R1b1a
4528-4371 calBCE (5632±24 BP, MAMS-28134) Balkans_Chalcolithic Yunatsite Bulgaria K1a ..
4520-4356 calBCE (5610±40 BP, Poz-83493) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic Smyadovo Bulgaria H ..
4455-4359 calBCE (5578±23 BP, MAMS-28135) Balkans_Chalcolithic Yunatsite Bulgaria H7 ..
4452-4354 calBCE (5565±25 BP, PSUAMS-1812) Bulgaria_BA Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria K1a2 ..
4450-4264 calBCE (5500±40 BP, Poz-83501) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic2 Sushina Bulgaria K1 CT
4448-4260 calBCE (5490±40 BP, Poz-93494) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic Smyadovo Bulgaria U4a ..
4445-4335 calBCE (5520±30 BP, Beta-432805) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic Sushina Bulgaria H1j ..
4337-4246 calBCE (5425±25 BP, PSUAMS-1813) Bulgaria_Chalcolithic Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria U5b2a1a ..
3761-3645 calBCE (4915±25 BP, PSUAMS-1746) Romania_Chalcolithic Urziceni Romania J1c C1a2a
3710-3360 calBCE (4700+/-90 BP; Beta-187421) Croatia_Eneolithic Radovanci Croatia J1c2 ..
3500-1700 BCE Romania_Chalcolithic Urziceni Romania K2a ..
3400-1600 BCE Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA Beli Breyag Bulgaria .. I2a2
3400-1600 BCE Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA Beli Breyag Bulgaria .. I
3338-3025 calBCE (4470±30 BP, Ly-5516) Bulgaria_EBA Smyadovo Bulgaria U1a1 I2a2a1b
3336-3028 calBCE (4470±25 BP, PSUAMS-1814) Bulgaria_BA Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria H H2
3328-3015 calBCE (4445±35 BP, Ly-5515) Bulgaria_EBA Smyadovo Bulgaria K1c1 I2a2a1b1
3090-2924 calBCE (4396±20 BP, MAMS 26835) Bulgaria_Ezero_EBA Sabrano Bulgaria .. ..
3020-2895 calBCE (4340±30 BP, Beta-432797) Bulgaria_EBA Merichleri, Kairyaka necropolis Bulgaria T2f I2a2a1b1b
3012-2900 calBCE (4333±20 BP, MAMS-26834) Yamnaya_Bulgaria_outlier Mednikarovo Bulgaria .. I2a2a1b1b
3000-2700 BCE Croatia_Vucedol Vucedol tell Croatia U4a ..
2906-2710 calBCE (4235±25 BP, PSUAMS-1815) Bulgaria_BA Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria H4a1 G2a2a1a2
2884-2666 calBCE (4176±28 BP, BRAMS-1304) Croatia_Vucedol Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia T2e R1b1a1a2a2
2872-2617 calBCE (4130±35 BP, Poz-90126) Croatia_Vucedol Vucedol tell Croatia T2c2 G2a2a1a2a
1750-1625 calBCE (3400±30 BP, Beta-432796) Bulgaria_MLBA Merichleri, Kairyaka necropolis Bulgaria U5a2 R1a1a1b2
1700-1500 BCE Croatia_EMBA Veliki Vanik Croatia I1a1 J2b2a
1700-1500 BCE Croatia_EMBA Veliki Vanik Croatia W3a1 ..
1500-900 BCE Croatia_LBA Jazinka Cave Croatia HV0e ..

 

[Ahil71]

G2a dolazi iz anadolsko - egejskog basena.
8300-7952 BCE (older than ZHF based on stratigraphy) Anatolia_Neolithic_Boncuklu.SG Boncuklu Turkey N1a1a1 G2a2b2b
8212-7952 calBCE (Ba-120539) Anatolia_Neolithic_Boncuklu.SG Boncuklu Turkey U3 G2a2b2b
6635-6475 calBCE (7630±30 BP, Beta-410032) Anatolia_Neolithic_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG Tepecik Ciftlik Turkey N1b1a G2a2a
6500-6200 BCE Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey J1c11 G2a2b2a
6500-6200 BCE Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey W1-T119C G2a2b2a3
6500-6200 BCE Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey T2b G2a2a1a2a
6500-6200 BCE Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey K1b1b1 G2a2a1a2a
6426-6236 calBCE (7460±50 BP, Poz-82231) Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey K1a2 G2a2a1a2a
6400-5600 BCE Anatolia_Neolithic Mentese Turkey X2m2 G2a2a1
6400-5600 BCE Anatolia_Neolithic Mentese Turkey K1a2 G2a
6300-6150 BCE Bulgaria_Neolithic Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria H G2a2b2b1a
6067-5892 calBCE (7110±50 BP, Poz-82177) Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey K1a or K1a1 G2a2b2a1a1c
6000-5900 BCE Bulgaria_Neolithic Yabalkovo Bulgaria H G2a2a1a2a
5979-5735 calBCE (6960±50 BP, Poz-82188) Macedonia_Neolithic Govrlevo, Sopi_te, Skopje Macedonia J1c1 G2a2b2b1
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria J1c G2a2b2a
5800-5400 calBCE Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria H G2a2b2a
5715-5626 calBCE (6755±30 BP, PSUAMS-1747) Romania_EN Cotatcu Romania K1a2 G2a2b2b
5604-5376 calBCE (6520±40 BP, Poz-82186) Balkans_Neolithic Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Vojvodina Serbia HV G2a2a1
5500-4500 BCE LBK_Austria Schletz Austria J1c2 G2a2b2a3
5211-4963 calBCE (6130±40 BP, KIA-40350) LBK_EN Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld Germany N1a1a2 G2a2a
5210-5002 calBCE (6153±33 BP, MAMS-21482) LBK_EN Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld Germany K1a26 G2a2a
5201-4850 calBCE (6076±34 BP, KIA-40348) LBK_EN Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld Germany X2d1 G2a2a1
4725-4605 calBCE (5820±30 BP, Beta-432807) Bulgaria_Middle_Chalcolithic Ivanovo Bulgaria N1b2 G2a2b2a1a1c1a
4711-4530 calBCE (5766±36 BP, OxA 13848) Bulgaria_Varna_Eneolithic2 Varna Bulgaria .. G2a2b2b
4710-4504 calBCE (5760±40 BP, Poz-82185) Balkans_Neolithic Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Vojvodina Serbia K1a4 G2a2a1a
4605-4460 calBCE (5700±30 BP, Beta-432798) Balkans_Neolithic Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Vojvodina Serbia H G2a2a1a
4230-3995 calBCE (5559±22 BP, MAMS-23038) Greece_Final_Neolithic.SG Kletios Greece K1a2 G2a2a1a2
3931-3640 calBCE [3705-3640 calBCE (4890±30 BP, Beta-432808); 3931-3670 calBCE (4985±30 BP, OxA-25991)] Trypillia Verteba Cave Ukraine H5a G2a2b2a
3911-3659 calBCE (4976±33 BP, OxA-26203) Trypillia Verteba Cave Ukraine T2b G2a2b2a
3758-3636 calBCE (4888±32 BP, OxA-26204) Trypillia Verteba Cave Ukraine HV G2a
3619-2936 calBCE (4550±90 BP, Ki-13388) Trypillia_outlier Verteba Cave Ukraine H1b G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a1
3484-3104 calBCE (4555±34 BP, ETH-8345.1-2) Iceman_MN.SG Ötz valley, Tyrol Italy K1 G2a2a1a2a1a
3400-3025 BCE Salzmuende_MN Salzmuende-Schiebzig Germany U3a1 G2a2a
2906-2710 calBCE (4235±25 BP, PSUAMS-1815) Bulgaria_BA Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria H4a1 G2a2a1a2
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain J2a1a1 G2a2b2b1a1
2872-2617 calBCE (4130±35 BP, Poz-90126) Croatia_Vucedol Vucedol tell Croatia T2c2 G2a2a1a2a
1866-1619 calBCE (3402±34 BP, OxA-30989) Maros.SG Szöreg, Sziv Utca Hungary T2b G2a2a1a2a

 

[Kor]

Где су било какви резултати урађени на простору Динарских планина и то из периода који си навео?

Ко се то прави тоша и измишља непостојеће тестирање?

Прозивка је потпуно без основа, уз непримерено ликовање, такође без утемељености у наводно урађеним тестовима старе дна са простора Динарида у наведеном периоду.

Заиста непотребно.

Eto ih imas kol'ko hoces iz starijeg perioda pa opet nista. Po logici stvari ih je trebalo u proslosti biti vise nego u periodu koji sam spomenuo. Ni u Srbiji, niti u Hrvatskoj, pretka Dinarika ni za leka. Doduse, bice po koji u starijem periodu ali definitino ih nece biti u periodu od 2000BC pa negde do seobe Slovena.

Iskreno, ja sam sam ocekivao vise I2a1b u vreme Lepenskog Vira ali nista od toga. Pojavise se ovi novi fantomski R1b.

Nije prozivka vec moramo da rezimiramo neke cinjenice koje su svima uzele mnogo vremena na ovoj temi.

 

[Ahil71]

R1a iz Ukrajine i Rusije
45530-40610 calBCE [46064-40920 calBCE (41400±1300 BP, OxA-25516); 46364-40844 calBCE (41400±1400 BP, OxA-30190)] Ust_Ishim_HG_published.DG Ust'-Ishim, Siberia Russia R* R1a1a1b
8825-8561 calBCE (9420±50 BP, Poz-81128) Ukraine_Mesolithic Vasil'evka Ukraine U5b2 R1a
6850-6000 BCE [6270-6000 calBCE (7280±80 BP, OxA-1665); 6410-6050 calBCE (7350±90 BP, OxA-2266); 6390-6030 calBCE (7330±90 BP, OxA-1667); 6590-6240 calBCE (7560±90 BP, OxA-1668); 6590-6240 calBCE (7560±90 BP, OxA-1669); 6360-6000 calBCE (7280±90 BP, OxA-2124); 6530-6210 calBCE (7510±90 BP, OxA-2125); 6850-6410 calBCE (7750±110 BP, OxA-1973); layer date] Karelia_HG Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov, Karelia Russia C1 R1a1a1
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U5a2a R1a
5200-4000 BCE Samara_Eneolithic Khvalynsk, Volga River, Samara Russia U5a1i R1a1
375-203 calBCE (2220±30 BP, Beta-392493) Scythian_IA Nadezhdinka, Volga Steppes, Samara Russia G2a4 R1a1a1b2a2a
2925-2491 calBCE (4180±84 BP, AA-12569) Poltavka_outlier Sok River, Samara Russia U5a1c R1a1a1b2a
2851-2492 calBCE (4071±27 BP, OxA-28296) Nordic_MN_B.SG Kyndelöse Denmark J1c4 R1a1a1
2829-2465 calBCE (4015±38 BP, UBA-27950) Corded_Ware_Germany.SG Bergrheinfeld Germany U5b1c2 R1a1a1
2621-2472 calBCE (4025±30 BP, OxA-29033) BattleAxe_Sweden.SG Viby Sweden K1a2a R1a1a1
2559-2296 calBCE (3927±37 BP, MAMS-21487) Corded_Ware_Germany Esperstedt Germany U4b1a1a1 R1a1a1
2500-2050 BCE Corded_Ware_Germany Esperstedt Germany J1c2e R1a1a
2500-2050 BCE Corded_Ware_Germany Esperstedt Germany J1c5 R1a1
2500-2050 BCE Corded_Ware_Germany Esperstedt Germany U5a1g R1a
2500-2050 BCE Corded_Ware_Germany Esperstedt Germany J1c5 R1a
2500-2050 BCE Corded_Ware_Germany Esperstedt Germany K2b2 R1a
2298-2045 calBCE (3775±34 BP, OxA-30991) Sintashta_MBA_RISE.SG Bulanovo Russia J1c1b1a R1a
2200-1900 BCE Potapovka Utyevka, Samara River, Samara Russia U2e1h R1a1a1b
2126-1896 calBCE (3626±33 BP, OxA-30999) Sintashta_MBA_RISE.SG Stepnoe Cemetery Russia J2b1a2a R1a1a1b
1850-1600 BCE Srubnaya Spiridonovka II, Samara River, Samara Russia H3g R1a1a1b2a2a
1850-1600 BCE Srubnaya Uvarovka, Samara River, Samara Russia T2b4 R1a1a1b2
1850-1200 BCE Srubnaya Novoselki, Northern Forest, Samara Russia U5a1f2 R1a1a1b2
1850-1200 BCE Srubnaya_Outlier Barinovka, Samara River, Samara Russia J2b1a2a R1a1a1b2
1850-1200 BCE Srubnaya Spiridonovka IV, Samara River, Samara Russia H5b R1a1a
1750-1625 calBCE (3400±30 BP, Beta-432796) Bulgaria_MLBA Merichleri, Kairyaka necropolis Bulgaria U5a2 R1a1a1b2
1446-1298 calBCE (3119±27 BP, OxA-31217) Andronovo.SG Kytmanovo Russia U2e1 R1a1a1
1193-979 calBCE (2889±30 BP, MAMS-21484) Halberstadt_LBA Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld Germany H23 R1a1a1b1a2

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Na osnovu svega mislim da se može pretpostaviti da je Podunavlje matična zona I2a haplogrupe.

 

[Ahil71]

Jugozapad nama nije preterano zanimljiv, jer migracija sa tog područja na Balkan nemamo pre keltsko - rimskog perioda. Čini se da je isti spektar haplogrupa kao u Podunavlju, ali sa izdvojenim granama.

16880-16660 calBCE (15460±40 BP, MAMS-14585) ElMiron El Miron Spain U5b ..
12230-11830 calBCE (12140±70 BP, KIA-27004) Villabruna Villabruna Italy U5b2b R1b1a
12000 BCE (Late Epigravettian, and above a charcoal layer at 14210-13770 BP) OrienteC_HG Grotta d’Oriente, Favignana Island, Egadi islands, Sicily Italy U2'3'4'7'8'9 ..
11140-10880 calBCE (11120±50 BP, GrA-41739) Rochedane Rochedane France U5b2b I
10090-9460 BCE (10140±50 BP, GrA-43700; layer date based on a direct date of Iboussieres39) Iboussieres25-1 Aven des Iboussières à Malataverne, Rhône-Alpes France U5b2a J?
10090-9460 BCE (10140±50 BP, GrA-43700; layer date based on a direct date of Iboussieres39) Iboussieres31-2 Aven des Iboussières à Malataverne, Rhône-Alpes France U5b1 R
6410-6100 calBCE (7400±60 BP, GrA-28268) Chaudardes1 Chaudardes France U5b1b I
5983-5747 calBCE (6980±50 BP, Beta-226472) Iberia_HG La Brana-Arintero, Leon Spain U5b2c C1a2
5370-5220 calBCE (6325±35 BP, SacA-5455) BerryAuBac Berry au bac France U5b1a I
5311-5218 calBCE (6280±25 BP, MAMS-16159) Iberia_EN Els Trocs Spain J1c3 ..
5310-5078 calBCE (6249±28 BP, MAMS-16164) Iberia_EN Els Trocs Spain N1a1a1 I2a1b1
5303-5075 calBCE (6234±28 BP, MAMS-16166) Iberia_EN Els Trocs Spain V ..
5294-5066 calBCE (6217±25 BP, MAMS-16161) Iberia_EN Els Trocs Spain T2c1d or T2c1d2 R1b1a(xR1b1a1a2)
3900-3600 BCE Iberia_MN La Mina Spain K1a1b1 H2
3900-3600 BCE Iberia_MN La Mina Spain H1 I2a2a1b2
3900-3600 BCE Iberia_MN La Mina Spain K1b1a1 ..
3893-3661 calBCE (4970±30 BP, Beta 316132) Iberia_MN La Mina Spain U5b1 ..
3484-3104 calBCE (4555±34 BP, ETH-8345.1-2) Iceman_MN.SG Ötz valley, Tyrol Italy K1 G2a2a1a2a1a
3483-3107 calBCE (4557±28 BP, OxA-X-2621) Remedello_BA.SG Remedello di Sotto Italy H2a I
2908-2578 calBCE (4185±70 BP, ETH-12188) Remedello_BA.SG Remedello di Sotto Italy X2c1 I
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain K1a ..
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain H3c3 ..
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain J1c1 ..
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain H3 I
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain H3 I
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain K1a2a ..
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain U3a1 I2a1a1a
2900-2346 BCE [2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457); 2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456); 2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458); 2900-2679 calBCE (4210±30 BP, Beta-416455); based on dates of other El Mirador samples) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain J2a1a1 G2a2b2b1a1
2865-2575 calBCE (4110±30 BP, Beta-416458) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain H1t ..
2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain K1b1a1 ..
2568-2346 calBCE (3950±30 BP, Beta-416457) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain H3 I2a2a2a
2134-1773 calBCE (3595±55 BP, ETH-12913) Remedello_BA.SG Remedello di Sotto Italy J1c1b I

 

[Ahil71]

I dalje je enigma H mtDNA.

 

[Ahil71]

mtDNA u savremenoj srpskoj populaciji.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03014460.2017.1287954?journalCode=iahb20
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.22670/abstract
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Sample identification Haploype Maternal grandmother geographic origin Haplogroup
85_Sb Sr1 WS D4
32_Sb Sr2 SS H
43_Sb Sr2 WS H
54_Sb Sr2 SS H
131_Sb Sr2 CS H
149_Sb Sr2 Bg H
72_Sb Sr2 SS H
37_Sb Sr3 WS H
136_Sb Sr3 CS H
87_Sb Sr4 WS H
133_Sb Sr4 BH H
18_Sb Sr5 WS H
38_Sb Sr5 Mn H
20_Sb Sr6 Cro H
40_Sb Sr7 WS H
14_Sb Sr8 Mn H
126_Sb Sr9 WS H
A ` WS H
69_Sb Sr11 SS H
26_Sb Sr12 Bg H
81_Sb Sr12 WS H
111_Sb Sr13 ES H
120_Sb Sr14 ES H
114_Sb Sr15 SS H
73_Sb Sr16 Cro H
88_Sb Sr17 WS H
115_Sb Sr18 CS H
142_Sb Sr19 Bg H
129_Sb Sr19 Vj H
29_Sb Sr20 Mn H
150_Sb Sr21 Vj H
42_Sb Sr22 Vj H
78_Sb Sr22 WS H
124_Sb Sr23 Bg H
70_Sb Sr24 KM H
79_Sb Sr25 WS H
46_Sb Sr26 WS H
34_Sb Sr27 CS H
63_Sb Sr28 Vj H
82_Sb Sr29 WS H
139_Sb Sr30 CS H1b
90_Sb Sr31 WS H1b
94_Sb Sr31 WS H1b
140_Sb Sr32 CS H1o
125_Sb Sr33 Vj H1o
28_Sb Sr34 SS H2a1
31_Sb Sr35 WS H2a1
108_Sb Sr36 CS H2a1
76_Sb Sr37 WS H2b
56_Sb Sr38 SS H5
118_Sb Sr39 ES H5
130_Sb Sr40 SS H5
35_Sb Sr41 Mn H5
113_Sb Sr42 SS H5
12_Sb Sr43 Cro H5
2_Sb Sr44 Bg H6
19_Sb Sr45 KM H6
67_Sb Sr46 SS H6
25_Sb Sr47 WS H6
48_Sb Sr48 BH H8
55_Sb Sr49 Cro H9a
122_Sb Sr50 ES H9a
147_Sb Sr50 CS H9a
60_Sb Sr51 BH H11
99_Sb Sr52 WS H11
107_Sb Sr53 CS H11a
9_Sb Sr54 Vj H12
45_Sb Sr55 BH HV
97_Sb Sr55 WS HV
106_Sb Sr55 SS HV
47_Sb Sr56 BH HV
117_Sb Sr57 SS HV2
59_Sb Sr58 Vj HV0
132_Sb Sr59 Vj V
110_Sb Sr59 Vj V
105_Sb Sr60 SS V
4_Sb Sr61 SS K
57_Sb Sr62 Cro K
89_Sb Sr63 WS K
10_Sb Sr64 SS K1a*
138_Sb Sr65 CS K1a*
5_Sb Sr66 Cro K1b1c
145_Sb Sr66 KM K1b1c
148_Sb Sr66 ES K1b1c
39_Sb Sr67 BH K1b2
23_Sb Sr68 SS K1b2
80_Sb Sr69 WS K2
93_Sb Sr70 CS U1a
52_Sb Sr71 KM U2e
95_Sb Sr72 WS U3a
144_Sb Sr73 KM U3a
11_Sb Sr74 SS U4
58_Sb Sr75 WS U4
84_Sb Sr76 WS U4
68_Sb Sr77 SS U4
104_Sb Sr77 SS U4
128_Sb Sr78 Vj U4a2
103_Sb Sr79 ES U4a2
100_Sb Sr80 ES U4a2
151_Sb Sr81 CS U4a2
53_Sb Sr82 Cro U4c1
66_Sb Sr83 Vj U4c1
134_Sb Sr84 CS U4c1
146_Sb Sr85 VJ U5a
22_Sb Sr86 WS U5a
123_Sb Sr87 CS U5a
127_Sb Sr88 KM U5a1
62_Sb Sr89 Cro U5a1
96_Sb Sr90 WS U5b
135_Sb Sr90 KM U5b
7_Sb Sr91 WS U5b1b
21_Sb Sr92 WS U5b3
109_Sb Sr93 CS U7
41_Sb Sr94 SS J1b
74_Sb Sr95 WS J1b1
91_Sb Sr95 WS J1b1
50_Sb Sr96 Mn J1c
86_Sb Sr97 WS J1c
101_Sb Sr98 SS J1c
49_Sb Sr99 WS J1c2
141_Sb Sr99 Mn J1c2
6_Sb Sr100 Bg J2b
30_Sb Sr101 Vj T
83_Sb Sr102 WS T1
116_Sb Sr103 WS T1
71_Sb Sr104 SS T1
16_Sb Sr105 SS T1a
77_Sb Sr106 WS T2
64_Sb Sr107 Vj T2b
33_Sb Sr108 BH N1a
143_Sb Sr109 Mn N1b
51_Sb Sr110 Cro N1b
98_Sb Sr111 KM R0a1a
13_Sb Sr112 Bg W
24_Sb Sr113 Cro W3'5
27_Sb Sr114 WS W3'5
137_Sb Sr115 CS X2b
36_Sb Sr116 Mn X2b
8_Sb Sr117 SS L2a1

 

[Ahil71]

U4a bez U4a1
9500-6200 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U4a
9000-7500 BCE Ukraine_Mesolithic Vasil'evka Ukraine U4b
8240-7940 calBCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4a
6500-4000 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4b1b1
6500-4000 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic_1d_relative_of_S5870.E1.L1 Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4b1b1
6500-4000 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4d
6500-4000 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4a
6500-4000 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4b
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG_brother_of_I4880 Vlasac Serbia U4b1b1
6200-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U4a
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U4b1a2
5500-5000 BCE Karelia_HG Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov, Karelia Russia U4a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U4a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic_father_or_son_of_S5883.E1.L1 Dereivka Ukraine U4b1a1a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U4d
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4b1a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4d
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U4a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Volniensky, Vilnianka Ukraine U4b1a
5500-4800 BCE Ukraine_Neolithic Dereivka Ukraine U4d
5364-5213 calBCE (6300±40 BP, Poz-81130) Ukraine_Neolithic Vovnigi Ukraine U4b
5200-4000 BCE Samara_Eneolithic Khvalynsk, Volga River, Samara Russia U4a2 or U4d
4448-4260 calBCE (5490±40 BP, Poz-93494) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic Smyadovo Bulgaria U4a
3777-3386 calBCE (4850±60 BP)  Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U4d1
3000-2700 BCE Croatia_Vucedol Vucedol tell Croatia U4a
3000-2400 BCE Yamnaya_Kalmykia.SG Temrta Russia U4
2880-2630 calBCE (4161±34 BP, UBA-27946) Corded_Ware_Germany.SG Tiefbrunn Germany U4
2559-2296 calBCE (3927±37 BP, MAMS-21487) Corded_Ware_Germany Esperstedt Germany U4b1a1a1
1954-1772 calBCE (3544±26 BP, UB-16557) Unetice_EBA.SG Wojkowice Poland U4
1700-1500 BCE Andronovo.SG Kytmanovo Russia U4d1

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H5
Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey H5 ..
Anatolia_Neolithic Mentese Turkey H or H5-C16192T ..
Balkans_MP_Neolithic Malak Preslavets Bulgaria H5b ..
Trypillia Verteba Cave Ukraine H5a G2a2b2a
Corded_Ware_Estonia.SG Sope Estonia H5a1 ..
Bell_Beaker_Germany Rothenschirmbach Germany H5a3 ..
Srubnaya Spiridonovka IV, Samara River, Samara Russia H5b R1a1a

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HV
5604-5376 calBCE (6520±40 BP, Poz-82186) Balkans_Neolithic Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Vojvodina Serbia HV
4550-4455 calBCE (5680±30 BP, Beta-432803) Bulgaria_Late_Chalcolithic1 Smyadovo Bulgaria HV15
3758-3636 calBCE (4888±32 BP, OxA-26204) Trypillia Verteba Cave Ukraine HV
3654-3527 calBCE (4815±26 BP, MAMS-22818) Baalberge_MN Quedlinburg Germany HV
2471-2246 calBCE (3892±32 BP, MAMS-21492) Alberstedt_LN Alberstedt Germany HV

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5200-4000 BCE Samara_Eneolithic Khvalynsk, Volga River, Samara Russia H2a1
2458-2206 calBCE (3848±34, Hd-19835) Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG Landau an der Isar Germany H2a1e
2000-1500 BCE Vatya.SG Erd Hungary H2a1

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6500-6200 BCE Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey K1b1b1 G2a2a1a2a
5600-5470 BCE Croatia_Cardial_Neolithic Zemunica Cave Croatia K1b1a C1a2
5000-3200 BCE Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic Diros, Alepotrypa Cave Greece K1b1a ..
3900-3600 BCE Iberia_MN La Mina Spain K1b1a1 ..
3400-2800 BCE Globular_Amphora_Poland Kierzkowo Poland K1b1a1 I2a2a1b
2857-2496 calBCE (4080±30 BP, Beta-416456) Iberia_Chalcolithic El Mirador Cave, Atapuerca, Burgos Spain K1b1a1 ..
2300-1800 BCE Unetice_EBA.SG Moravska Nova Vés Czech Republic K1b1a ..
2275-2032 calBCE (3736±32 BP, OxA-28987) Nordic_LN.SG L Beddinge Sweden K1b1a1 R1b1a1a2a1a1
1850-1600 BCE Srubnaya Rozhdestveno, Samara Steppes, Samara Russia K1b2a ..

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Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U8b1b ..
PPNB 'Ain Ghazal Jordan U8b1a nodata
Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey U8b1b1 H2
Starcevo_EN Beli Manastir-Popova zemlja Croatia U8b1b1 C
Trypillia Verteba Cave Ukraine U8b1b E

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5500-4500 BCE LBK_Austria Schletz Austria J1c2 G2a2b2a3
3710-3360 calBCE (4700+/-90 BP; Beta-187421) Croatia_Eneolithic Radovanci Croatia J1c2 ..
2500-2050 BCE Corded_Ware_Germany Esperstedt Germany J1c2e R1a1a

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3338-3025 calBCE (4470±30 BP, Ly-5516) Bulgaria_EBA Smyadovo Bulgaria U1a1 I2a2a1b

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11820-11610 calBCE (11855±50 BP, OxA-27763) Bichon Grotte du Bichon Switzerland U5b1h I2a1a2a
10090-9460 BCE (10140±50 BP, GrA-43700; layer date based on a direct date of Iboussieres39) Iboussieres31-2 Aven des Iboussières à Malataverne, Rhône-Alpes France U5b1 R
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5b1d1a ..
7100-5900 BCE Iron_Gates_HG Vlasac Serbia U5b1d1 ..
6410-6100 calBCE (7400±60 BP, GrA-28268) Chaudardes1 Chaudardes France U5b1b I
6224-5878 calBCE (7158±85* BP, AA-57770) Iron_Gates_HG Padina Serbia U5b1d1 ..
6210-5990 calBCE (7205±50 BP, OxA-7738) Loschbour_published.DG Echternach Luxembourg U5b1a I2a1b
6000-5100 BCE Latvia_HG Zvejnieki Latvia U5b1d1 R1b1a1a(xR1b1a1a2)
5370-5220 calBCE (6325±35 BP, SacA-5455) BerryAuBac Berry au bac France U5b1a I
3893-3661 calBCE (4970±30 BP, Beta 316132) Iberia_MN La Mina Spain U5b1 ..
3400-2800 BCE Globular_Amphora_Poland Kierzkowo Poland U5b1d1 ..
2868-2580 calBCE (4124±31 BP, UBA-27948) Corded_Ware_Germany.SG Tiefbrunn Germany U5b1c2 R1b1
2829-2465 calBCE (4015±38 BP, UBA-27950) Corded_Ware_Germany.SG Bergrheinfeld Germany U5b1c2 R1a1a1


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PPNB Motza Israel K1a4b H2
Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey K1a4 ..
Anatolia_Neolithic Mentese Turkey K1a4 I
Balkans_Dzhulyunitsa_Neolithic Dzhulyunitsa Bulgaria K1a4b C
Starcevo_EN Saraorci-Jezava Serbia K1a4a1 ..
Balkans_Neolithic Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Vojvodina Serbia K1a4 G2a2a1a
Unetice_EBA.SG Szczepankowice Poland K1a4a1 ..


6635-6475 calBCE (7630±30 BP, Beta-410032) Anatolia_Neolithic_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG Tepecik Ciftlik Turkey N1b1a G2a2a
6500-6200 BCE Anatolia_Neolithic Barcın, Marmara Region, Northwest Anatolia Turkey N1b1a J2a
4725-4605 calBCE (5820±30 BP, Beta-432807) Bulgaria_Middle_Chalcolithic Ivanovo Bulgaria N1b2 G2a2b2a1a1c1a

 

[Ahil71]

Još Mađari, i to je to.
5780-5640 calBCE (6835±34 BP, OxA-23757) Koros_Hungary_EN_HG Tiszaszolos-Domahaza Hungary R1b1 I2a1
5713-5566 calBCE (6726±35 BP, OxA-28101) Koros_EN Berettyóújfalu-Morotva-Liget Hungary K1a ..
5702-5536 calBCE (6695±40BP, MAMS-11939 ) Starcevo_EN Alsonyek-Bataszek Hungary N1a1a1 H2
5306-5071 calBCE (6237±32 BP, OxA-27861) ALPc_MN Polgar Ferenci hat Hungary U5b2c ..
5295-4950 calBCE (6164±64 BP,OxA-23763) ALPc_MN Kompolt-Kigyoser Hungary J1c1 C1a2
5291-5056 calBCE (6207±30 BP, OxA-27858) ALPc_MN Debrecen Tocopart Erdoalja Hungary H ..
5281-5026 calBCE (6185±34 BP, OxA-27732) Buekk_MN Garadna Hungary X2b-T226C ..
5211-5011 calBCE (6153±33 BP, OxA-28020) ALPc_MN Polgar Ferenci hat Hungary J1c5 ..
5211-4992 calBCE (6135±33 BP, MAMS-14821) LBK_Hungary_MN Apc-Berekalya Hungary K1a3a3 C1a2
5207-4944 calBCE (6110±30 BP, Beta-310038) LBKT_MN Szemely-Hegyes Hungary N1a1a1a3 ..
4491-4357 calBCE (5598±32 BP, MAMS-14819) Lengyel_LN Apc-Berekalya Hungary N1a1a1a I2a1
3315-2923 calBCE (4421±27 BP, MAMS-14825) Baden_LCA Apc-Berekalya Hungary H ..
2190-1980 calBCE (3686±28 BP,OxA-23799) Hungary_Mako_EBA Kompolt-Kigyoser Hungary K1c1 ..
2136-1941 calBCE (3653±32 BP, OxA-30988) Maros.SG Szöreg, Sziv Utca Hungary U5a2b ..
2128-1909 calBCE (3631±29 BP, OxA-29842) Vatya.SG Százhalombatta-Földvár Hungary J1c9 I
2034-1784 calBCE (3588±34 BP, OxA-30987) Hungary_MBA.SG Battonya Vörös Oktober Hungary T2b3 ..
2000-1500 BCE Vatya.SG Erd Hungary T2b I2a2a1a2a
2000-1500 BCE Vatya.SG Erd Hungary H2a1 ..
2000-1500 BCE Vatya.SG Erd Hungary T1a1 ..
1886-1696 calBCE (3476±30 BP, OxA-31104) Maros.SG Szöreg, Sziv Utca Hungary K1a2a ..
1866-1619 calBCE (3402±34 BP, OxA-30989) Maros.SG Szöreg, Sziv Utca Hungary T2b G2a2a1a2a
1746-1611 calBCE (3372±29 BP, OxA-29769) Vatya.SG Százhalombatta-Földvár Hungary H11a I2a2a1
1700-1500 BCE Vatya.SG Erd Hungary U5a2a ..
1270-1110 calBCE (2769±24 BP, OxA-27859) Hungary_LBA Ludas-Varju-Dulo Hungary K1a1a J2a1