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Despite the most common haplogroup among Bulgarians is I2a1b at 20%, 8000 years old hunter-gatherer samples of the same haplogroup came out genetically very distant from Bulgarian and Balkan individuals by an autosomal analysis of skeletal remains from Loschbour cave in Luxembourg.[86]
Three out of four samples from Bulgarian Neolithic(6,500-5000 ybp) from Smyadovo came out mtDNA haplogroup H and the other one is T2e, while another 5,500-4,000 old sample from Durankulak is U52a2. Several mtDNA Bulgarian samples considered part of the Yamna culture came out haplogroups H, T2a1b1a, U2e1a, U5a1 and K.[39] ...
From seven Thracian samples aged about 3 millennia from Gabova Mogila and Shekerdja Mogila in Sliven Province, and from Bereketska Mogila in Stara Zagora Province, two were identified as belonging to mtDNA Haplogroup D, presumably associated with East Asia. Haplogroup W5a was found among two individuals and H1an2. H14b1 was also found.[88] Four samples from Iron Age Bulgaria were studied, the official study confirmed only that the two are male and mtDNA of two individuals - U3b for the Svilengrad man and HV for the Stambolovo individual. Haplogroups U for the Krushare man, U2e for the Vratitsa individual have been identified. Those individuals were from Thracian burial sites and are dated at around 450-1500 BC.[89] Unofficial analysis of the raw data claims that the first one is positive for Y-DNA Haplogroup E-Z1919 or H-Z14031 (H1b1). It also claims that according to the SNPs all the four samples came out male and also in the man from Krushare Haplogroup J-PF5197 (J2a1a1a1b2) was found, while another man's haplogroup came out negative for E, I and J and remained unknown but is likely R1.[90][91] According to an autosomal analysis of DNA Land, the Svilengrad man came out 100% Mediterranean islander,[92] while the Stambolovo man appears to be 99% Balkan.[93] One of the surprising results are of 3,500-3,100 years old samples from Vratitsa, which came out 60% Northwest European 24% Southwestern European(22% Sardinian),5% Ashkenazi, 5% Mbuti, 3% Native American, 3% South/Central European, 1% North Slavic,[94] along with a 2,400 years old sample from Krushare that is 32% Southwestern European, 26% Northwestern European, 26% Balkan, 5% Central Indo European, 3% Mbuti, 3% Finnish, 3% North Slavic, 1% Ambiguous, 1% Amazonian,[95] in comparison a sample from Iron Age Montenegro is surprising in the opposite direction and came out 64% North Slav and 50% Yamnaya.[96] For the man from Krushare the authors explicitly stated "However, the DNA damage pattern of this individual does not appear to be typical of ancient samples, indicating a potentially higher level of modern DNA contamination.". While the Svilengrad man still shows the highest proportion of Sardinian ancestry, the Krushare more resembles the hunther-gatherer individuals.
20 samples from medieval Bulgarian sites were alleged as originally Bulgar, but there is no evidence for that.[97] They were from a burial site from the Monastery of Mostich in Preslav, Nozharevo, Tuhovishte and most came out European mtDNA haplogroup H, including H1, H1an2, H1r1, H1t1a1, H2a2a1 H5, H13a2c1, H14b1, HV1, J, J1b1a1, T, T2, U4a2b, U4c1 and U3 with the half belonging to Haplogroup H. It was shown a short genetic distance between these samples and modern Bulgarians.[98]
"U4a2b: found mostly in central Europe and Russia, but also in Scandinavia and the Netherlands / found in Sumerian Syria"
Despite the most common haplogroup among Bulgarians is I2a1b at 20%, 8000 years old hunter-gatherer samples of the same haplogroup came out genetically very distant from Bulgarian and Balkan individuals by an autosomal analysis of skeletal remains from Loschbour cave in Luxembourg.[86]
Three out of four samples from Bulgarian Neolithic(6,500-5000 ybp) from Smyadovo came out mtDNA haplogroup H and the other one is T2e, while another 5,500-4,000 old sample from Durankulak is U52a2. Several mtDNA Bulgarian samples considered part of the Yamna culture came out haplogroups H, T2a1b1a, U2e1a, U5a1 and K.[39] ...
From seven Thracian samples aged about 3 millennia from Gabova Mogila and Shekerdja Mogila in Sliven Province, and from Bereketska Mogila in Stara Zagora Province, two were identified as belonging to mtDNA Haplogroup D, presumably associated with East Asia. Haplogroup W5a was found among two individuals and H1an2. H14b1 was also found.[88] Four samples from Iron Age Bulgaria were studied, the official study confirmed only that the two are male and mtDNA of two individuals - U3b for the Svilengrad man and HV for the Stambolovo individual. Haplogroups U for the Krushare man, U2e for the Vratitsa individual have been identified. Those individuals were from Thracian burial sites and are dated at around 450-1500 BC.[89] Unofficial analysis of the raw data claims that the first one is positive for Y-DNA Haplogroup E-Z1919 or H-Z14031 (H1b1). It also claims that according to the SNPs all the four samples came out male and also in the man from Krushare Haplogroup J-PF5197 (J2a1a1a1b2) was found, while another man's haplogroup came out negative for E, I and J and remained unknown but is likely R1.[90][91] According to an autosomal analysis of DNA Land, the Svilengrad man came out 100% Mediterranean islander,[92] while the Stambolovo man appears to be 99% Balkan.[93] One of the surprising results are of 3,500-3,100 years old samples from Vratitsa, which came out 60% Northwest European 24% Southwestern European(22% Sardinian),5% Ashkenazi, 5% Mbuti, 3% Native American, 3% South/Central European, 1% North Slavic,[94] along with a 2,400 years old sample from Krushare that is 32% Southwestern European, 26% Northwestern European, 26% Balkan, 5% Central Indo European, 3% Mbuti, 3% Finnish, 3% North Slavic, 1% Ambiguous, 1% Amazonian,[95] in comparison a sample from Iron Age Montenegro is surprising in the opposite direction and came out 64% North Slav and 50% Yamnaya.[96] For the man from Krushare the authors explicitly stated "However, the DNA damage pattern of this individual does not appear to be typical of ancient samples, indicating a potentially higher level of modern DNA contamination.". While the Svilengrad man still shows the highest proportion of Sardinian ancestry, the Krushare more resembles the hunther-gatherer individuals.
20 samples from medieval Bulgarian sites were alleged as originally Bulgar, but there is no evidence for that.[97] They were from a burial site from the Monastery of Mostich in Preslav, Nozharevo, Tuhovishte and most came out European mtDNA haplogroup H, including H1, H1an2, H1r1, H1t1a1, H2a2a1 H5, H13a2c1, H14b1, HV1, J, J1b1a1, T, T2, U4a2b, U4c1 and U3 with the half belonging to Haplogroup H. It was shown a short genetic distance between these samples and modern Bulgarians.[98]
"U4a2b: found mostly in central Europe and Russia, but also in Scandinavia and the Netherlands / found in Sumerian Syria"
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Mitochondrial super-haplogroup U diversity in Serbians
09.03.2017, 18:32 bySlobodan DavidovicBoris MalyarchukJelena AleksicMiroslava DerenkoVladanka TopalovicAndrey LitvinovKatarzyna SkoniecznaUrszula RogallaTomasz GrzybowskiMilena StevanovicNatasa Kovacevic-Grujicic
Background: Available mitochondrial (mtDNA) data demonstrate genetic differentiation among South Slavs inhabiting the Balkan Peninsula. However, their resolution is insufficient to elucidate the female-specific aspects of the genetic history of South Slavs, including the genetic impact of various migrations which were rather common within the Balkans, a region having a turbulent demographic history.
Aim: The aim was to thoroughly study complete mitogenomes of Serbians, a population linking westward and eastward South Slavs.
Subjects and methods: Forty-six predominantly Serbian super-haplogroup U complete mitogenomes were analysed phylogenetically against ∼4000 available complete mtDNAs of modern and ancient Western Eurasians.
Results: Serbians share a number of U mtDNA lineages with Southern, Eastern-Central and North-Western Europeans. Putative Balkan-specific lineages (e.g. U1a1c2, U4c1b1, U5b3j, K1a4l and K1a13a1) and lineages shared among Serbians (South Slavs) and West and East Slavs were detected (e.g. U2e1b1, U2e2a1d, U4a2a, U4a2c, U4a2g1, U4d2b and U5b1a1).
Conclusion: The exceptional diversity of maternal lineages found in Serbians may be associated with the genetic impact of both autochthonous pre-Slavic Balkan populations whose mtDNA gene pool was affected by migrations of various populations over time (e.g. Bronze Age pastoralists) and Slavic and Germanic newcomers in the early Middle Ages.
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09.03.2017, 18:32 bySlobodan DavidovicBoris MalyarchukJelena AleksicMiroslava DerenkoVladanka TopalovicAndrey LitvinovKatarzyna SkoniecznaUrszula RogallaTomasz GrzybowskiMilena StevanovicNatasa Kovacevic-Grujicic
Background: Available mitochondrial (mtDNA) data demonstrate genetic differentiation among South Slavs inhabiting the Balkan Peninsula. However, their resolution is insufficient to elucidate the female-specific aspects of the genetic history of South Slavs, including the genetic impact of various migrations which were rather common within the Balkans, a region having a turbulent demographic history.
Aim: The aim was to thoroughly study complete mitogenomes of Serbians, a population linking westward and eastward South Slavs.
Subjects and methods: Forty-six predominantly Serbian super-haplogroup U complete mitogenomes were analysed phylogenetically against ∼4000 available complete mtDNAs of modern and ancient Western Eurasians.
Results: Serbians share a number of U mtDNA lineages with Southern, Eastern-Central and North-Western Europeans. Putative Balkan-specific lineages (e.g. U1a1c2, U4c1b1, U5b3j, K1a4l and K1a13a1) and lineages shared among Serbians (South Slavs) and West and East Slavs were detected (e.g. U2e1b1, U2e2a1d, U4a2a, U4a2c, U4a2g1, U4d2b and U5b1a1).
Conclusion: The exceptional diversity of maternal lineages found in Serbians may be associated with the genetic impact of both autochthonous pre-Slavic Balkan populations whose mtDNA gene pool was affected by migrations of various populations over time (e.g. Bronze Age pastoralists) and Slavic and Germanic newcomers in the early Middle Ages.
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More Y-SNP calls from Iron and Bronze Age Bulgaria
Posted on September 1, 2015 by Genetiker — 4 Comments
Below are more Y-SNP calls for four samples from Iron and Bronze Age Bulgaria. Positive calls are in bold, and negative calls are in non-bold.
This post gives more information about the four samples, along with analyses of their autosomal DNA.
The published DNA-based sex determination analyses, along with previous analyses of my own, indicated that V2 and K8 were female, which was in conflict with the archeological evidence, which indicated that they were male. But I’ve now done new sex determination analyses that indicate that all four samples were male.
The calls show that P192-1 belonged to haplogroup E1b1b1a1b-Z1919. The autosomal DNA of P192-1 differed from that of the other samples in that it completely lacked the K12b Gedrosia component, while the other three samples had large amounts of it.
The calls for T2G2, a sample from a Thracian burial mound, show that he did not belong to haplogroups E, I, or J. The very large amount of the Gedrosia component for T2G2 indicates that he belonged to R1b or R1a, and I have little doubt that he belonged to R1b-Z2103.
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/more-y-snp-calls-from-iron-and-bronze-age-bulgaria/
K8
J2-M410-PF4610-L26-PF5087-PF5160-PF5197-YSC0000253-Z7402
Posted on September 1, 2015 by Genetiker — 4 Comments
Below are more Y-SNP calls for four samples from Iron and Bronze Age Bulgaria. Positive calls are in bold, and negative calls are in non-bold.
This post gives more information about the four samples, along with analyses of their autosomal DNA.
The published DNA-based sex determination analyses, along with previous analyses of my own, indicated that V2 and K8 were female, which was in conflict with the archeological evidence, which indicated that they were male. But I’ve now done new sex determination analyses that indicate that all four samples were male.
The calls show that P192-1 belonged to haplogroup E1b1b1a1b-Z1919. The autosomal DNA of P192-1 differed from that of the other samples in that it completely lacked the K12b Gedrosia component, while the other three samples had large amounts of it.
The calls for T2G2, a sample from a Thracian burial mound, show that he did not belong to haplogroups E, I, or J. The very large amount of the Gedrosia component for T2G2 indicates that he belonged to R1b or R1a, and I have little doubt that he belonged to R1b-Z2103.
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/more-y-snp-calls-from-iron-and-bronze-age-bulgaria/
K8
J2-M410-PF4610-L26-PF5087-PF5160-PF5197-YSC0000253-Z7402
Poslednja izmena:
YSC0000253 (J2a1a1a2a, until now Cluster *D in J-Project, J-PF4341 in Geno 2.0)
D20 N Arab (PF4341.1+, YSC0000253+, YSC0000246- by Geno 2.0): 271582●Najd Saudi Arabia, N100355 Sager Kuwait (J),
Low marker matches: 197522 Tba Jordan (Arab Tribes), 186088 Tay Jordan (Arab Tribes), 219259 Saudi Arabia,
Unresearched STRs (YSC0000246- YSC0000253+): N117581●UAE (J2-Arab), HG03615▶BEB-Bengali
YSC0000246 (J2a1a1a2a1)
D01 WSA Mesopotamia (YSC0000246+): B1620●Kazim/Albaghdadi Iraq, SMGF Matches see D02,
Low marker matches: FTDNA Bedi,
D02 WSA Indus (YSC0000246+): Da PAKISTAN SMGF.org, 194691 Khan Afghanistan, PT2_27 Pashtun-Baghlan Afghanistan (Di C. 2013), TK9_65 Turkmen-Jawzjan Afghanistan (Di C. 2013), AZ6_56 Hazara-Bamiyan Afghanistan (Di C. 2013), 57963 Gujar Pakistan (J, Timurids), Db PAKISTAN SMGF.org, 198631●Khan Afghanistan,
Low marker matches: N76595 Mungur Floreal Mauritius (HEY6Y/JPEWS), FTDNA Sana, FTDNA Sarma,
D03 WSA Indus2: SMGF Dc PAKISTAN, SMGF Da INDIA,
D04 WSA Persia: IR2_8 Esfahan Iran (Di C. 2013), SMGF ASTANEH MARKAZI IRAN,
D05 WSA W: 197276 Alnuzhah Saudi Arabia (J2-Arab), no near SMGF Matches,
D06 WSA W2: 149554 Tamim Najd Saudi Arabia (J-L250),
D07 WSA WS: M7464 Alshamsi (J2-Arab), 183994 Oman,
D0x Low marker matches: FTDNA Wijesundara, FTDNA Sultan,
D10 Gujarat (YSC0000246+): N3437●Patel India, no FTDNA/ysearch matches, no near SMGF Matches,
D15 Bulgar (YSC0000246+): N5341●Cherventsi,
Matches: SMGF Pakistan (21/26), 2 x SMGF Peru (20/26), SMGF Iran (20/26), SMGF Riggio Italy (20/26),
D25 Latino-Galician: 225466 de Villasenor Spain (Galicia, J2), N100032 Martínez Spain, SMGF Pantoja Mexico, SMGF Jara Munoz Chile, 2x SMGF Alegria Peralta Peru
D30 Armenian: 180589 Armenian M.-B. Iran (Armenia),
D35 Levantic: M6480 Odeh Palestina (Lebanon-Syria),
Matches: SMGF Palestine (19/23), SMGF Pakistan (20/27), Madisetty India (20/27),
D40 Russian Nobility (YSC0000246+): 197150 Syundyukov Russia, 230662 Syundyukov Ukraine, 230427 Syundyukov Russia, SMGF Syundyukov Russia,
Distant matches: SMGF Rahimov Kyrgyzstan (19/27),
D50 Quraysh قريش: 188770 Quraishi Saudi Arabia (Arab Tribes), N23186 Khoory United Arab Emirates (J2-Arab),
Low marker matches: FTDNA Al-Hashemi, FTDNA El-Arfaoui,
D55 Shareef: M6566 Shareef Saudi Arabia (J, J2-Arab),
D60 Svaneti (YSC0000253+): 253629 Vezdeni Svaneti Georgia (see Georgia),
Low marker matches: 253357 Vezdeni Svaneti Georgia, FTDNA Pathak, FTDNA Galhotra,
Unresearched/Unknown STRs (YSC0000246+): N113114●Pakistan (J2), NA20884▶GIH-Gujaratis India, Castro (FTDNA sequencing YSC0000250+ etc.), HG03660▶ & HG03021▶PJL-Punjabi,
Geno 2.0 Our Story Users J-YSC0000246: sesarma Brahmins Andhra Pradesh India, Naiem Arain Punjab India, from2am Kabul Afghanistan
DS modal optim. matches SMGF: 22/24 Pakistan, 19/21 Thailand, 17/19 Din Pakistan, 2 x 21/24 Pakistan, 17/20 Palestine, 20/24 Pakistan, 2 x 20/24 Alegria Peralta Peru, 20/24 Ud Din Punjab India, 20/24 Markazi Iran, 20/24 Tehran Iran, 17/21 Thailand, 19/24 Nepal, 16/20 India, 19/24 Ayub/Ismael Punjab Pakistan, 19/24 Jara Munoz Chile, 16/20 Syundyukov Russia, 16/21 Pakistan, 18/24 Pantoja Mexico, 18/24 India,
Speculative matches: 18/24 England, 16/22 Brazil, 19/24 Deitz/Dietz Pfalz Germany (see here 83514 and 154962 Frady L198+),
Probaby false matches: 18/24 Al Issa Jordan, 15/20 El Farra Palestine, 18/24 Mountain England, 18/24 Esfahan Iran, 17/23 Mustafa Jordan, 14/19 Kerman Iran, 16/22 El-Agha Palestine,
False matches: 18/24 Iseroff Lithuania (L24)
Dxx Low marker single kits: M6570 Al Eshaq Al Blooshi United Arab Emirates (J2-Arab), 174576 El-Arfaoui Tunisia (J2-Arab), N68809 Sadjadi Iran (J, J2-Arab), N84214 (J, India), 281853 Alqahtani United Arab Emirates (J2-Arab), FTDNA Bedi, WPX9X Aguilera Mexico, Brahmins South India (Iyers and Iyengars, Sanghamitra's study)
...
Confirmed Haplogroup: J-YSC0000246
Subgroup: a1 D60 Bulgar YSC0000253+ YSC0000246+ Ⓖ
Name: Dimitrov
Kit Number: N5341
Earliest Known Ancestor: N/A
Marker Location: Cherventsi, Varna region, Bulgaria
Lat, Lng: (43.5240173, 27.4480152)
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/J2a-PF5197/default.aspx?section=results
D20 N Arab (PF4341.1+, YSC0000253+, YSC0000246- by Geno 2.0): 271582●Najd Saudi Arabia, N100355 Sager Kuwait (J),
Low marker matches: 197522 Tba Jordan (Arab Tribes), 186088 Tay Jordan (Arab Tribes), 219259 Saudi Arabia,
Unresearched STRs (YSC0000246- YSC0000253+): N117581●UAE (J2-Arab), HG03615▶BEB-Bengali
YSC0000246 (J2a1a1a2a1)
D01 WSA Mesopotamia (YSC0000246+): B1620●Kazim/Albaghdadi Iraq, SMGF Matches see D02,
Low marker matches: FTDNA Bedi,
D02 WSA Indus (YSC0000246+): Da PAKISTAN SMGF.org, 194691 Khan Afghanistan, PT2_27 Pashtun-Baghlan Afghanistan (Di C. 2013), TK9_65 Turkmen-Jawzjan Afghanistan (Di C. 2013), AZ6_56 Hazara-Bamiyan Afghanistan (Di C. 2013), 57963 Gujar Pakistan (J, Timurids), Db PAKISTAN SMGF.org, 198631●Khan Afghanistan,
Low marker matches: N76595 Mungur Floreal Mauritius (HEY6Y/JPEWS), FTDNA Sana, FTDNA Sarma,
D03 WSA Indus2: SMGF Dc PAKISTAN, SMGF Da INDIA,
D04 WSA Persia: IR2_8 Esfahan Iran (Di C. 2013), SMGF ASTANEH MARKAZI IRAN,
D05 WSA W: 197276 Alnuzhah Saudi Arabia (J2-Arab), no near SMGF Matches,
D06 WSA W2: 149554 Tamim Najd Saudi Arabia (J-L250),
D07 WSA WS: M7464 Alshamsi (J2-Arab), 183994 Oman,
D0x Low marker matches: FTDNA Wijesundara, FTDNA Sultan,
D10 Gujarat (YSC0000246+): N3437●Patel India, no FTDNA/ysearch matches, no near SMGF Matches,
D15 Bulgar (YSC0000246+): N5341●Cherventsi,
Matches: SMGF Pakistan (21/26), 2 x SMGF Peru (20/26), SMGF Iran (20/26), SMGF Riggio Italy (20/26),
D25 Latino-Galician: 225466 de Villasenor Spain (Galicia, J2), N100032 Martínez Spain, SMGF Pantoja Mexico, SMGF Jara Munoz Chile, 2x SMGF Alegria Peralta Peru
D30 Armenian: 180589 Armenian M.-B. Iran (Armenia),
D35 Levantic: M6480 Odeh Palestina (Lebanon-Syria),
Matches: SMGF Palestine (19/23), SMGF Pakistan (20/27), Madisetty India (20/27),
D40 Russian Nobility (YSC0000246+): 197150 Syundyukov Russia, 230662 Syundyukov Ukraine, 230427 Syundyukov Russia, SMGF Syundyukov Russia,
Distant matches: SMGF Rahimov Kyrgyzstan (19/27),
D50 Quraysh قريش: 188770 Quraishi Saudi Arabia (Arab Tribes), N23186 Khoory United Arab Emirates (J2-Arab),
Low marker matches: FTDNA Al-Hashemi, FTDNA El-Arfaoui,
D55 Shareef: M6566 Shareef Saudi Arabia (J, J2-Arab),
D60 Svaneti (YSC0000253+): 253629 Vezdeni Svaneti Georgia (see Georgia),
Low marker matches: 253357 Vezdeni Svaneti Georgia, FTDNA Pathak, FTDNA Galhotra,
Unresearched/Unknown STRs (YSC0000246+): N113114●Pakistan (J2), NA20884▶GIH-Gujaratis India, Castro (FTDNA sequencing YSC0000250+ etc.), HG03660▶ & HG03021▶PJL-Punjabi,
Geno 2.0 Our Story Users J-YSC0000246: sesarma Brahmins Andhra Pradesh India, Naiem Arain Punjab India, from2am Kabul Afghanistan
DS modal optim. matches SMGF: 22/24 Pakistan, 19/21 Thailand, 17/19 Din Pakistan, 2 x 21/24 Pakistan, 17/20 Palestine, 20/24 Pakistan, 2 x 20/24 Alegria Peralta Peru, 20/24 Ud Din Punjab India, 20/24 Markazi Iran, 20/24 Tehran Iran, 17/21 Thailand, 19/24 Nepal, 16/20 India, 19/24 Ayub/Ismael Punjab Pakistan, 19/24 Jara Munoz Chile, 16/20 Syundyukov Russia, 16/21 Pakistan, 18/24 Pantoja Mexico, 18/24 India,
Speculative matches: 18/24 England, 16/22 Brazil, 19/24 Deitz/Dietz Pfalz Germany (see here 83514 and 154962 Frady L198+),
Probaby false matches: 18/24 Al Issa Jordan, 15/20 El Farra Palestine, 18/24 Mountain England, 18/24 Esfahan Iran, 17/23 Mustafa Jordan, 14/19 Kerman Iran, 16/22 El-Agha Palestine,
False matches: 18/24 Iseroff Lithuania (L24)
Dxx Low marker single kits: M6570 Al Eshaq Al Blooshi United Arab Emirates (J2-Arab), 174576 El-Arfaoui Tunisia (J2-Arab), N68809 Sadjadi Iran (J, J2-Arab), N84214 (J, India), 281853 Alqahtani United Arab Emirates (J2-Arab), FTDNA Bedi, WPX9X Aguilera Mexico, Brahmins South India (Iyers and Iyengars, Sanghamitra's study)
...
Confirmed Haplogroup: J-YSC0000246
Subgroup: a1 D60 Bulgar YSC0000253+ YSC0000246+ Ⓖ
Name: Dimitrov
Kit Number: N5341
Earliest Known Ancestor: N/A
Marker Location: Cherventsi, Varna region, Bulgaria
Lat, Lng: (43.5240173, 27.4480152)
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/J2a-PF5197/default.aspx?section=results
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Mstislav
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I2a prekucava na svetskom dnk danu, a na hercegovackom ce tek da rastura. Dici se srpski prosek na skoro 40 posto kako je krenulo.
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У суштини I2a, E1b и R1a повезују наш целокупни етнички простор. Главне хаплогруме су присутне у свим крајевима, што је добро из политичких разлога. Остало ме мање занима па остављам вама да анализирате резултате. 
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Мапа која се константно ажурира са свим локацијама где су до сада тестирани археогенетски узорци (са фокусом на Европу).
Видим да фали онај Е-V13 из неолита Шпаније.
Видим да фали онај Е-V13 из неолита Шпаније.
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Prema ovome što je postavio rojalista, 'prekucava' E hg koja je skoro pa najbrojnija hg u Srbiji i Bosni.
Sva testiranja u organizaciji Porekla sa unapred pripremljenim spiskovima "interesantnih rodova" kojima će se omogućiti besplatno testiranje će dati ili već daju rezultate koje su želele izvesne interesne grupe okupljene u tom "udruženju rodoslovaca".
Zgodna su za fingiranje statistike, ali nemaju važnost sa nekog drugog aspekta.
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R1a je krenula u ofanzivu, a R1b je trenutno na 8%. Uvek smo se pitali gde se ona krije i evo je na kraju.
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Не прекуцава Е хаплогрупа, на сасвим реалних 18,5% је тренутно. И2а је осетно јача у овом тестирању са 44,5%, док је Р1а подбацила - свега 11% за сада. Прекини са манипулацијама и теоријама завере, Р1а никада није, нити ће бити јача од Е код Срба у целини, што се пре помириш са тим боље за тебе.
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Na srpskom dnk projektu R1a je trenutno ispred E.
Bok te mazo,
Sve HG dominiraju.
Na kraju će biti 170% u zbiru.
Sve HG dominiraju.
Na kraju će biti 170% u zbiru.
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То је због планског тестирања Аврамијештака (има их 57 за сада), иначе су скоро идентичне на Пројекту.
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Ne nema to veze sa njima. Tu su samo zvanicno verifikovani sa poznatom krsnom slavom, znaci nema drugih yu narodnosti, sa njima bi procenat jos bio veci.
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Ало Дејане Лучићу, о каквом припремљеном списку ''интересантних родова'' ти булазниш? Говоримо о резултатима са Светског ДНК дана, где се људи сами добровољно пријављују за тестирање.
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Итекако има везе, грана Л1280 је иначе једна од мањих грана, и нема шансе да би била оволико заступљена да није било планског тестирања Аврамијештака. Такође, у оквиру хаплогрупе Р1а има далеко највише Хрвата/католика на Пројекту у односу на остале хаплогрупе, тако да када и њих одузмемо, хаплогрупа Е је јача од Р1а. То је чињеница.
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Него ме брине да још увек нема G2a међу тестиранима за Светски ДНК дан, да ли је то због неких других интересних група које имају нешто лично против припадника ове хаплогрупе?! 
Ovde se dosta pričalo o Veraniču.
Da li je neko obratio pažnju na smerove vektora širenja na njegovoj karti (strelice).
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Da li je neko obratio pažnju na smerove vektora širenja na njegovoj karti (strelice).
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Ovakve laži su zaista prevazišle svaku meru.
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"Чланови Друштва српских родословаца „Порекло“ са плаћеном годишњом чланарином, могу да предложе два кандидата за тестирање по цени од по 6.000 динара. За ове кандидате није потребна уплата донације за Српски ДНК пројекат."
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Добро, и колики је проценат пријављених од стране истих? Ја колико видим већина тестираних су појединци који су се сами пријавили и који немају нека претерана поклапања (родовска још мање). Само је један од чланова изјавио да је пријавио ''циљане'' људе (ако ти тако кажеш) за тестирање, од тога цитирам ''Од њих осам, резултате је добило пет, и има по један I2-CTS10228, J2b M205 i R1a Z280, те двојица који су E-V13.'' + један је испао R1b U152.
Ето, опет си уз помоћ своје параноје испала смешна.
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