zašto baš sa Kimercima?
zašto ne Kelti ili Sciri ili Jermeni ili Jevreji ili možda pra-Srbi ili neki stariji nepoznati rod?
ne mali deo su poreklom stranci u zemljama gde su... na primer sa narodnostima Armenian, Arabian u Turskoj, u Bugarskoj poreklo tursko, u Poljskoj predak Schneider....
po imenima lokacijanpr. lokacija u Iranu - Sabalan, u Rusiji - Saratov, u maloj Aziji u Sivas provinciji gde ima I I2a Din, a po imenima u maloj Aziji preci sa imenima Serop , Kaverian ...
mogu biti Cimmerians, ali voleo bi da vidim neku konkretnu indikaciju u tom smeru.... na primer Kavkaz I mala Azija mogu da imaju veze sa Kimerima ali to nije dovoljno...
I2c postoji I u mnogim mestima koje ne možemo da dovedemo u vezu sa njima a nema neke posebne veze sa Cimbrima ili Velšanima (Cymry) za koje neki veruju da im je poreklo od Kimera...
Kako nema, povezuju sve oblasti gde se Kimerci i Cimbri pojavljivali kroz istoriju (doduše nema ih u DAnskoj, ali već Strab. on svedoči da su napustili Dansku)
Ovde imaš The “Thraco – Cimmerian Hypothesis” porekla Cimbara, s tim što ga vezuju sa R1b
http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdfske
Kimerci su dovoljno veliki i dokumentovan narod, pa mu se može pripisati širenje od Škotske do Irana. A imao i istorijski kontekst (šrirenje Skita) i arheološki potvrđeno širenje.
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Postoje indicije da je u vreme poslednjeg zahlađenje populacija u Đerdapskoj klisuri bila izolovana i manje pokretljiva u odnosu na period pre i posle ovog perioda. I što je najvžnije bili su prisutni na toj lokaciji u vreme zahladjenja.
Strontium isotopes document greater human mobility at the start of the Balkan Neolithic
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/02/05/1211474110.abstract
"Archaeology of the Mesolithic–Neolithic Danube Gorges
There are close to 300 radiocarbon measurements from 14 sites
dating Danube Gorges Mesolithic and Neolithic contexts, of which
83 AMS dates have been made directly on human bones (17). The
earliest radiocarbon dates in the Danube Gorges come from
Epipaleolithic levels at the rock-shelter of Cuina Turcului (27) and
Climente II Cave (28) (∼13,500–9300 cal B.C.). Possible archaeological
evidence for mobility during this period primarily relates
to the presence of Cyclope neritea and Dentalium marine shells
(27), suggesting long-distance connections.
Early Holocene human adaptations in this particular environment
can be traced back to the mid-10th millennium cal B.C. at a
number of open-air sites on the Danube shores. The River Danube,
which offered Danubian carp, catfish, and sturgeon, was the
key to the success of these adaptations in the region where fishing
was facilitated by the fast current and irregularities of the riverbed,
which created numerous whirlpools and enabled specialized
modes of fishing. Formal burials as well as scattered Early
to Middle Mesolithic (∼9500–7400 cal B.C.) human remains have
been found associated with the sites of Vlasac, Padina A, and
Proto-Lepenski Vir. There are currently 14 individuals directly
AMS-dated to these early Mesolithic periods. Extended supine
inhumations as well as seated burials placed in lotus positions were
documented. To date, there is no archaeological evidence for longdistance
connections during the Early-Middle Mesolithic periods
in the Danube Gorges, possibly suggesting reduced levels of human
mobility among different regions of southeastern Europe."
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Varijansa našeg I1 je 10 puta manja nego za M 423.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82200261/...hic-Y-Chromosome-Lineages-Characterize-Serbia
