Etničko porijeklo Albanaca

FDDD:
heh 'usko grlo'. a ostali nisu imali usko grlo. pa nisu Siptari na Uskrsnjem ostrvu. po meni glupo objasnjenje.
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Није то објашњење, него факти. Причало се о томе на генеалогији, али ево да поставим и овде:


1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians

" They found that Albanians, on the one hand, have a high amount of identity by descent sharing, suggesting that Albanian-speakers derived from a relatively small population that expanded recently and rapidly in the last 1,500 years. "


2. https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555

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Slaven777:
O Đorđu Manijaku su raspravljali nebrojeno puta do sada. Nema dokaza da se albanski etnos doselio u XI st. sa Apeninskog poluostrva, a lingvistički argumenti dodatno upućuju da treba tražiti neka druga rešenja.
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O mogućnosti da Aranuti nisu došli sa Kavkaza preko Sicilije se raspravljalo bezbroj puta do sada. Nema dokaza da se malobrojni arnautski etnos razvio u Dakiji pa spustio na more hiljadama milja daleko, a lingvistički argumeti ukazuju na visok proksimitet sa satemskim jermenskim i nešto manji s kentumskim grčkim, što ukazuje upravo na probabilitet kavkasko-sicilijanske maršrute.
 
Bajo Pivljanin:
У овом случају не означава нужно етничко порекло већ звање/функцију претка:
Arbanaške vojvode srpskih srednjevekovnih manastira
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Не означава, јер су многа њихова презимена изведена од топонима (који су српски) или на неки други начин, као код овог Војводе или Весељија, што говори нешто само по себи. Поента је да њих то, углавном, не занима.
 
Svima_Mili_&_Dragi:
O mogućnosti da Aranuti nisu došli sa Kavkaza preko Sicilije se raspravljalo bezbroj puta do sada. Nema dokaza da se malobrojni arnautski etnos razvio u Dakiji pa spustio na more hiljadama milja daleko, a lingvistički argumeti ukazuju na visok proksimitet sa satemskim jermenskim i nešto manji s kentumskim grčkim, što ukazuje upravo na probabilitet kavkasko-sicilijanske maršrute.
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Ако се, наводно, расправљало о томе и то безброј пута до сада, ценим да ти не би било тешко да излисташ десетак еминентних стручњака који су дискутовали о томе?
 
Carlin15:
Serbs steal the Albanian history - Gjurmë Shqiptare

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^ 11:06 do 12:40:
"We have a very interesting source, exclusive to the beginning of the 12th century. It is a Serbian source, about the life of Stefan Nemanja. It is written in the early 12th century, a source that shows how Nemanja occupied Ulcinj, Tivar, Shkodra, Drisht, and also the area of Kosovo, Vranje, Lipljan, Prizren and the two Pologs. He went up to Skopje, up to Tetovo. This Serbian source not only shows the growing invasions of Stefan Nemanja but also uncovers new essential details regarding our research... This chronicle says that Stefan Nemanja found foreign people there. Non-Serbian people. He found foreign churches and priests... who he considers as Latin, meaning that they were Catholic. The policy implemented here was that of an occupied land. It's the end of the 12th century and early 13th century. ... Stefan Nemanja destroyed cities and castles from its foundations."

Navodno su Albanci ziveli na svim ovim prostorima u 12. veku (?).

^ 19:10 do 19:30:
"Medieval population registers show Albanians with Christian names ...such as Milosh, son of Jin. Bodislav, son of John. This was the result of assimilation policies that not only forced 14th century Albanians to change their faith, but also their names."

@Slaven777 ili neko drugi:
Da li se zna o kojim je dokumentima/registrima ovde rec?
 
Sto se tice Ulcinja, Skadra, Drishta, itd.

Directorium ad passagium faciendum

Around 1330, a Dominican (Catholic) monk wrote a message to the King of France to motivate him to campaign against the Orthodox Christians to subdue them to the Pope. This text is known as "Directorium ad passagium faciendum" and contains, among other things, some useful information on the area of northern Albania & Montenegro that was then part of the medieval Serbian kingdom.

The following text is from "Directorium ad passagium faciendum" as published in the American publication "The American historical review", Vol. 13 (1908), pages 96 and 97. The original text is of course in Latin:

“Hoc inter cetera facit ad dictum regnum facilius capiendum quod sunt ibi duae nationes, una videlicet Albanensium et Latinorum, qui omnes sub fide et obedientia Romanae Ecclesiae perseuerant, et secundum hoc habent Archiepiscopos, Episcopos, et Abbates, ac inferiores status et gradus religiosos et clericos seculares. Latini habent sex ciuitates cum suis Episcopis, primam Antibarum archiepiscopalem, deinde Catharensem, Dulcedinensem, Suaciensem, Scutarensem, et Driuacensem; quas quidem solum Latini inhabitant. Populus vero earum siue Albanenses in tota ipsarum diocesi extra muros. Sunt etiam Albanensium quatuor ciuitates, videlicet Polati, Minoris, Salutensis, et Albanensis. Quae omnes cum praedictis ciuitatibus Latinorum Antibarensi Archiepiscopo et Ecclesiae jure metropolitico sunt subjectae. Et licet Albanenses aliam omnino linguam a Latina habeant et diuersam, tamen literam Latinam habent in usu et in omnibus suis libris.”


The LATINI have six cities (Catharensem, Dulcedinensem, Suaciensem, ...) in which ONLY LATINS live.
 
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