Kao prvo, Justin je pisao negdje možda tek krajem IV stoljeća, i to nove ere! Kako možemo govoriti sa tako jednim poznijim antičkim narativnim izvorom u kontekstu ostataka koje ovdje ustvari tražimo?
Feničani sada preuzeli čak i pismo od Pelazga.
Izvinite, ali možete li išta od svojih teorija dokazat; pozvati se na neku literaturu u kojoj je dotična teorija predstavljena?
1.
Regarding the language, historically, we can present the statements of Polybius, who lived in the second century before Christ, and Justin who lived in the second century A.D.
Polybius (19. Claudius. Cap. 15. Aurelianus. Cap. 13; Appianus Illyr. Cap. 6; Mannert): "The Illyrian language is a Macedonian dialect, and also is a Thracian language"
Justin: "Macedonia... Emathia is known... by the Pelasgi people" (lib.VII.1.1 - “Macedonia ...... Emathia cognominata est ..... Populus Pelasgi”).
In free translation it means that: "Basically, Macedonians are Pelasgian people".
2.
The invasion on Egypt and the appearance of the phonetic
writing in the Middle East
Let us see several conclusions about the origin of the writing from Jurgen Spanuth book Die Philister - das unbekannte Volk, Lehrmeister und Widersacher der Israeliten, (Otto Zeller Verlog, Osnabruck, 1980) [as given in the book Serbs, the oldest people by Olga Lukic-Pjanic, Belgrade 1990].
In June 1976 in Izbet Sarta, eastern from Tel Aviv, in the historical site dating from the time of the Philistines, a board of clayey soil was found, about what the professor from Jerusalem university, Demski, said to have been a "sensational discovery" yet "not seen in the history of the writing". On the discovered red clayey soil board a scratched alphabet letters were found, different from all other systems of writing known in history in those regions. The letters were to much alike the letters of the so called Greek Alphabet. They are written in five lines, from left to right. (Jurgen Spanaut "The Philistines and the Alphabet", ch. 13, p. 169).
From the given description we get to know further that the first four lines are written in a language which is not Semitic, but most probably "Philistine". But since the language spoken by the Philistines is yet not known, the writing is still not translated (and I have not seen it yet). It is interesting that in the last line there is a row from the whole alphabet of 21 letters and one empty space for the letter "M". This board, Spanaut, says, together with the Philistine pottery may date from XII century B.C.
In the context of what has been earlier said we could regard the discovery of the Swiss Egyptologist Edouard Naville who has cleared the ruins of the palace of Rameses III (1192-1160), 32 km north of Cairo. Rameses has conquered an enemy, who in the time of his dominion, after the devastation of the state of Hittites, has threatened Egypt. The discovery revealed that the walls of the palace were decorated by a shinny colored boards. The boards were furnaced and very nicely decorated with flowers, and some with the hieroglyphic writing of the name of Rameses III. What is interesting in all this is that there were signs engraved on the back side (probably before they have been furnaced) which, according to my opinion, were initial letters of the craftsmen.
Naville in “Griflith in Navill, The Mound of the Jew.p.41. and p.6. His authority is T.H.Lewis” gives the information that the same boards as those in Egypt were made in Persia, in much greater number, what makes the dilemma even bigger - how they appeared there, since what is known is that they are older than six centuries, after the time of the Cambysian (Persian) conquer of Egypt.
Spanaut relates the engraving of the initials (letters) on the boards with the invasion of Egypt through sea and land from north, and with the 100.000 invaders who remained enslaved in Egypt. Further, Spanaut claims that those captures were engaged in different kind of works there: craftsmen, miners, artists in Rameses III palace, as well as the one in Tel-En-Jehudieh. The author mentions the copper mine Tymna near the Ahab gulf. Spanaut further speaks about the Greek "scribbling" (the Greek letters) on the walls of the mine in Tymna, which cannot be dated, unfortunately, since all the walls are covered with hieroglyphs both with older and more recent datum. But as Spanaut claims, if the Tymna hieroglyphs cannot be dated than there are no dilemmas about the dating of the part of a broken pot from - XII century B.C. found at Isbet Sarta, as well as other remnants which can be located between XII and X c. B.C. Spanaut also mentions the "rural calendar" from Goesser. This calendar dates from X century B.C., written in Hebrew, but with "Greek" letters. In this calendar, besides the names of the months in Hebrew, there also are written the farming products of every separate month.
On page 173 in the same book, Jurgen Spanaut writes that in Lidges (Tel-ed-Duver) 39 km. south of Goesser, Sir Charles Marston has excavated "ossarium" (a pot where the bones of the deadman were kept, since the dead were cremated and the remains of ashes and bones were kept in this "ossarium"). The same "Greek" letters were engraved on the pot which dates XII/XI c. B.C.
About the Goesser itself, Spanaut says it was occupied by the Philistines in XII c. B.C. and turned into their fortress. On the same site small monuments are found also, "stellas" (tombstones) with the same "Greek" letters. In Deir-Ala, in the valley of the river Jordan another boards from red cleye soil with the same engravings are found.
Spanaut further mentions another discovery: eight manuscripts written in one alphabet. Five of them are written on leather with some kind of "ink", and three are scratched on pergament. Professor G.E. Mendenhall marks as "Philistine Documents - texts written into Indo-European dialect"(G.E.Mendenhall, The “Philistine” Documents from the Hebron Area, in Annual of the Department of Antiquities of Jordan = ADAJ. 1971, 99-102.). In his writings, Spanaut talks about some decorated shutter of a sarcophagus found in Lebanon. This shutter is also engraved with the same "Greek" letters. The writings date from V/IV c. B.C. It is interesting that the physiognomies of the people presented in the relief plastic had European feature, not Semitic, which can be directly connected with the existence of an European alphabet.
What is interesting is the remark by Spanaut that before the arrival of the people from north", there is no single evidence about the Phoenician writing, so he concludes that:
"Since this writing is recorded as "Phoenician Alphabet" we should not think wrongly that it were the old Phoenicians who invented this alphabet".
This statement is supported by several thoughts by Diodorus from Sicily (V, 74) and by Tacitus (Annales, XI, 14) where it reads:
"The Phoenicians got the fame to have invented the letters they used".
(By somebody else. Unfortunately Tacitus also does not say by whom).
There are no dilemmas for Spanaut:
"The Phoenicians has taken the "Sinai alphabet" and have made it their own".
"On the question from whom the Phoenicians has taken the letters there is only one answer: those letters mistakenly called "Phoenician" or "Greek" were brought by the Philistines from their fatherland about 1200 years B.C.".
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Uostalom i stela pelazgiskog plemena Sinti sa Lezbosa je napisana na pelasgiskom jeziku i pelazgiskom pismu.
Stela prema svim karakteristikama potice iz pre Trojanskog perioda, t.s. pre no sto su Fenicani uopste poceli da koriste fonetsko pismo.
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A, sta cemo sa linearnim A, i B, pismom sa Krita, koje je preteca fonetskog pelasgiskog pisma?
Ako imamo zacetak fonetskog pisma na Kritu, ONDA KOJI SU ARGUMENTI DA SU Fenicani TVORCI TOG PISMA ?
