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The Noricans and Illyrians are declared to be Slavs, and Andronikos and the Apostle Paul are called Apostles to the Slavs because they laboured in Illyria and Pannocia. This view was maintained by the later chroniclers and historical writers of all Slavonic peoples, as the Pole Kadlubek, "Chronika pol." (1206), Boguchwal (d. 1253), Dlugos, Matej Miechowa, Decius, and others. Among the Czechs, this theory was supported by Kozmaz (d. 1125), Dalimir (d.1324), Johann Marignola (1355-1362), Pribik Pulkava (1374), and V. Hajek (1541).
Classification of the Slavonic peoples
The question as to the classification and number of the Slavonic peoples is a complicated one. Scientific investigation does not support the common belief, and in addition scholars do not agree in their opinions on this question. In 1822 the father of Slavonic philology, Joseph Dobrovsky, recognized nine Slavonic peoples and languages: Russian, Illyrian or Serb, Croat, Slovene, Korotanish, Slovak, Bohemians, Lusatian Sorb and Polish. In his "Slavonic Ethnology" (1842) Pavel Safarik enumerated six languages with thirteen dialects: Russian, Bolgarish, Illyrian, Lechish, Bohemians, Lusatian.
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The Noricans and Illyrians are declared to be Slavs, and Andronikos and the Apostle Paul are called Apostles to the Slavs because they laboured in Illyria and Pannocia. This view was maintained by the later chroniclers and historical writers of all Slavonic peoples, as the Pole Kadlubek, "Chronika pol." (1206), Boguchwal (d. 1253), Dlugos, Matej Miechowa, Decius, and others. Among the Czechs, this theory was supported by Kozmaz (d. 1125), Dalimir (d.1324), Johann Marignola (1355-1362), Pribik Pulkava (1374), and V. Hajek (1541).
Classification of the Slavonic peoples
The question as to the classification and number of the Slavonic peoples is a complicated one. Scientific investigation does not support the common belief, and in addition scholars do not agree in their opinions on this question. In 1822 the father of Slavonic philology, Joseph Dobrovsky, recognized nine Slavonic peoples and languages: Russian, Illyrian or Serb, Croat, Slovene, Korotanish, Slovak, Bohemians, Lusatian Sorb and Polish. In his "Slavonic Ethnology" (1842) Pavel Safarik enumerated six languages with thirteen dialects: Russian, Bolgarish, Illyrian, Lechish, Bohemians, Lusatian.
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"Albanci se prvi put pominju u vizantijskim istorijskim izvorima u 11. veku, kada su već u potpunosti primili hrišćanstvo.Pre toga Ptolomej pominje grad Albanopolis na teritoriji današnje Kruje, u čijoj okolini živi pleme Albani. Međutim, iako postoji kontinuitet albanskog etnonima, ne postoje pouzdani dokazi o etničkom kontinuitetu.
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Cak ni od Albanaca veoma cenjen albanolog von Hahn, kao i ni jedan drugi albanolog NIJE NIKADA MOGAO DA OTKRIJE I LOKALIZUJE ALANOPOLIS! Tako da von Hahn dovodi u pitanje tu tvrdnju Ptolomeja ili autenticnost tog dokumenta gde Ptolomej pominje Albanopolis...
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Сорби или Серби се појављују као посебно племе сродно Аланима и у склопу сарматског савеза од којег су се Алани најдуже одржали али код Алана су ратовали само мушкарци а код Сармата је било и жена ратника.
Срби се први пут помињу у првом веку после Христа (69-75. године) у књизи Плинија Цецилија Секундуса "Познавање природе" и то у латинизованом облику – Серби (Serbi). Плиније пише: "Поред Кимерана станују Меотици, Вали, Срби, Зинги, Псеси". Срби су ту забележени као народ који живи на територији североисточне обале Црног мора, у Сарматији, северно од Кавказа, па се из тога претпоставља да су Срби били сарматско (иранско) племе.
Помен српског имена налазимо затим у делу "Географија" египатског научника Клаудија Птоломеја (пре 175. године). Он племе Срба бележи тако да постоји на подручју Закавказја, пишући: "Између Кераунског горја и реке Ра смештени су Оринеји и Вали и Срби".
Србе у Сарматији такође помињу и Тацит, Прокопије, Јорданес, Вибијус и Ајнхард
Срби се по тој теорији долазе са Аланима у полабље и склапају савезе са германима заједно са Аланима и долазе до Шпаније и северне Африке ту их налазимо као Свеви или Свеби.
Алани су били добри јахачи и живели су полуномадским стилом живота. Имали су стада крава, коза, оваца и коња и боравили су у јуртама или на колима. Од хране радо су јели млечне производе (јогурт и кефир) и месо.
Типична за аланску уметност је грнчарија са сликама животиња у скитско-сарматском стилу, које касније налазимо и међу Германима, посебно Готима, али и у меровиншкој Франачкој.
Алански ратници су имали лукове исте као и Скити, сарматски дуги двосекли мач, каму и копље. За разлику од осталих сарматских племена Алани су најрадије у бој ишли као лаки копљаници на коњима. Омиљена тактика им је била, слично као и код других степских народа, да одглуме бекство, па да затим изненада крену у контранапад. За разлику од Сармата код Алана не наилазимо на жене ратнике.
Посебно блиски Аланима:
Роксолани (из аланског ruxs alan = светли Алан, лат. Roxolani, грч. Ροξολάνοι, од иранског Raochshna = бело, светло, такође и светли, сјајни) су били сарматско племе које је у почетку било настањено у степама данашње Украјине западно од Дона.
Роксолани су често ратовали и против, али и за Римско царство. Од 1. века н.е. настањују се на северним обалама Дунава. Од 62. н.е. непрестано нападају римску провинцију Мезију. За време Дачких ратова, које је Рим водио против непокорних прастановника данашње Румуније, Роксолани су били дачки савезници. Од 3. века се настањују на територији Римског царства и временом бивају романизовани. Остаци овог племена који су се задржали северно од Дунава нестају у временима готске, односно словенске инвазије.
Алански ратник из XVIII veka.
Осетска ношња данашњи директни потомци Алана и Сармата:
Војска:
Ово сам већ поставио на другој теми али морам опет.
@Arberi Ово је иранска теорија о пореклу Срба.
Постоји још и Германска која говори о Србима од прве половине VII века
с тим да се Јеречек и остали историчари слажу да је име Срби пра име свих словена.
Постоји и аутохтонистичка која се уклапа у обе теорије с том разликом да су Срби атохтони на Балкану па су отишли и вратили се.
Ни једна није потпуно тачна једино Германима је делимично признато да су отишли из своје земље и вратили се а на њихову земљу су се у међувремену населили словени.
Ова прича је потпуно бесмислена и без доказа по топонима и по свему па се може закључити да су Словени у Германији бар 1500 година пре Германа.
Треба и схватити да су Сарматија и Германија такође и географски појмови а не етнички.
Као што сви становници СССР-а нису били Руси ни Словени.
Словени немају топониме на Балкану и ако има доказа да су Срби и Хрвати на Балкану 100 година раније пре него што је Порфирогенит говори да су дошли.
Такође је немогуће да су Словени из прапостојбине која је обухватала Пољску,Карпате,Украину и делове Русије распршили се по Европи,Балкану и Азији а матична земља није остала празна него пуна и све то за 2 века?
Има доказа да Илири и Трчани нису били Словени али да су се поделили из једне индоевропске гране.
Срби се спомињу око кавказа то је чињеница исто као и да је постојала кавкаска Албанија.
Постоје Албанци који воде порекло од Илира а има и оних који су дошли са кавказа и вероватно наметнули име а можда су и били сродни у ранијој историји.
Срби се први пут помињу у првом веку после Христа (69-75. године) у књизи Плинија Цецилија Секундуса "Познавање природе" и то у латинизованом облику – Серби (Serbi). Плиније пише: "Поред Кимерана станују Меотици, Вали, Срби, Зинги, Псеси". Срби су ту забележени као народ који живи на територији североисточне обале Црног мора, у Сарматији, северно од Кавказа, па се из тога претпоставља да су Срби били сарматско (иранско) племе.
Помен српског имена налазимо затим у делу "Географија" египатског научника Клаудија Птоломеја (пре 175. године). Он племе Срба бележи тако да постоји на подручју Закавказја, пишући: "Између Кераунског горја и реке Ра смештени су Оринеји и Вали и Срби".
Србе у Сарматији такође помињу и Тацит, Прокопије, Јорданес, Вибијус и Ајнхард
Срби се по тој теорији долазе са Аланима у полабље и склапају савезе са германима заједно са Аланима и долазе до Шпаније и северне Африке ту их налазимо као Свеви или Свеби.
Алани су били добри јахачи и живели су полуномадским стилом живота. Имали су стада крава, коза, оваца и коња и боравили су у јуртама или на колима. Од хране радо су јели млечне производе (јогурт и кефир) и месо.
Типична за аланску уметност је грнчарија са сликама животиња у скитско-сарматском стилу, које касније налазимо и међу Германима, посебно Готима, али и у меровиншкој Франачкој.
Алански ратници су имали лукове исте као и Скити, сарматски дуги двосекли мач, каму и копље. За разлику од осталих сарматских племена Алани су најрадије у бој ишли као лаки копљаници на коњима. Омиљена тактика им је била, слично као и код других степских народа, да одглуме бекство, па да затим изненада крену у контранапад. За разлику од Сармата код Алана не наилазимо на жене ратнике.
Посебно блиски Аланима:
Роксолани (из аланског ruxs alan = светли Алан, лат. Roxolani, грч. Ροξολάνοι, од иранског Raochshna = бело, светло, такође и светли, сјајни) су били сарматско племе које је у почетку било настањено у степама данашње Украјине западно од Дона.
Роксолани су често ратовали и против, али и за Римско царство. Од 1. века н.е. настањују се на северним обалама Дунава. Од 62. н.е. непрестано нападају римску провинцију Мезију. За време Дачких ратова, које је Рим водио против непокорних прастановника данашње Румуније, Роксолани су били дачки савезници. Од 3. века се настањују на територији Римског царства и временом бивају романизовани. Остаци овог племена који су се задржали северно од Дунава нестају у временима готске, односно словенске инвазије.
Алански ратник из XVIII veka.
Осетска ношња данашњи директни потомци Алана и Сармата:
Војска:
Ово сам већ поставио на другој теми али морам опет.
@Arberi Ово је иранска теорија о пореклу Срба.
Постоји још и Германска која говори о Србима од прве половине VII века
с тим да се Јеречек и остали историчари слажу да је име Срби пра име свих словена.
Постоји и аутохтонистичка која се уклапа у обе теорије с том разликом да су Срби атохтони на Балкану па су отишли и вратили се.
Ни једна није потпуно тачна једино Германима је делимично признато да су отишли из своје земље и вратили се а на њихову земљу су се у међувремену населили словени.
Ова прича је потпуно бесмислена и без доказа по топонима и по свему па се може закључити да су Словени у Германији бар 1500 година пре Германа.
Треба и схватити да су Сарматија и Германија такође и географски појмови а не етнички.
Као што сви становници СССР-а нису били Руси ни Словени.
Словени немају топониме на Балкану и ако има доказа да су Срби и Хрвати на Балкану 100 година раније пре него што је Порфирогенит говори да су дошли.
Такође је немогуће да су Словени из прапостојбине која је обухватала Пољску,Карпате,Украину и делове Русије распршили се по Европи,Балкану и Азији а матична земља није остала празна него пуна и све то за 2 века?
Има доказа да Илири и Трчани нису били Словени али да су се поделили из једне индоевропске гране.
Срби се спомињу око кавказа то је чињеница исто као и да је постојала кавкаска Албанија.
Постоје Албанци који воде порекло од Илира а има и оних који су дошли са кавказа и вероватно наметнули име а можда су и били сродни у ранијој историји.
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Истина. Ја сам већ раније напоменуо да ако би се неко детаљније бавио Илирским и Пелашким - изумрелим језицима - албански би био велики путоказ.
Али треба знати да је изворно порекло са Кавказа.
Албанои,Далмати,Хистри.. - То су све илирска племена по којима данас одређене географске одреднице носе име.То свакако не означава народност,да се разумемо.
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Да био би као и влашки , арман македонски и други ентитети који немају државу па се њихов удео у причи минимализује.
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Na tu temu poreklo Albanaca postoji gomila naucnih radova i studija, koje sve to lepo opisuju i objasnjavaju... Jedna studija instituta za albanalogiju iz Svajcarske, vrlo lepo opisuje stvaranje albanske nacije i identiteta, tj. potrebom za stvaranje kvazi ilirskog porekla...
Fakat je da TEORIJA/HIPOTEZA o ilirskom poreklu Albanaca, datira iz 19. veka. Prvi put 1774. god. pominje Thumann ilirko poreklo Albanaca, gde iznosi svoje PRETPOSTAVKE.
Usled formiranja albanske nacije i identiteta, inspirisane nacionalizmom, ilirsko poreklo postaje ideologija, kao posledica propasti osmanlijskog carstva.Kasnije raspadom SFRJ, pojacava se ta zelja za trazenjem identiteta.
Ako se zna kada je prva albanska drzava formirana, shodno tome je i logicno stvaranje jedne nacije i identiteta, koja se igrom slucaja doselila na prostore gde su ziveli nekadasnji Iliri, tako da Albanci uzimaju ime ilirkog plemena o kome govori Ptolemej.
Iz ideoloskih razloga potkovanim politickim ciljevima, Albanci pokusavaju da opravdaju svoje apetite i zelju za ujedinjenjem i sirenjem, na tudjim teriorijama, kvazi ilirkim poreklom, mitove i kroz pokusaj dokazivanja nemoguceg, falsifikovanjem spisa, knjiga, laznom propagandom i lobiranjem.
Sve u svemu ako se logicno razmisli, pitanje je da li su uopste isti narod Gegi, Toski i tkz. "Kovari"...
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...YSwrFh&sig=AHIEtbRohzA9WTlAdB1gdJ_04lJ70Pl5Qw
Fakat je da TEORIJA/HIPOTEZA o ilirskom poreklu Albanaca, datira iz 19. veka. Prvi put 1774. god. pominje Thumann ilirko poreklo Albanaca, gde iznosi svoje PRETPOSTAVKE.
Usled formiranja albanske nacije i identiteta, inspirisane nacionalizmom, ilirsko poreklo postaje ideologija, kao posledica propasti osmanlijskog carstva.Kasnije raspadom SFRJ, pojacava se ta zelja za trazenjem identiteta.
Ako se zna kada je prva albanska drzava formirana, shodno tome je i logicno stvaranje jedne nacije i identiteta, koja se igrom slucaja doselila na prostore gde su ziveli nekadasnji Iliri, tako da Albanci uzimaju ime ilirkog plemena o kome govori Ptolemej.
Iz ideoloskih razloga potkovanim politickim ciljevima, Albanci pokusavaju da opravdaju svoje apetite i zelju za ujedinjenjem i sirenjem, na tudjim teriorijama, kvazi ilirkim poreklom, mitove i kroz pokusaj dokazivanja nemoguceg, falsifikovanjem spisa, knjiga, laznom propagandom i lobiranjem.
Sve u svemu ako se logicno razmisli, pitanje je da li su uopste isti narod Gegi, Toski i tkz. "Kovari"...
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...YSwrFh&sig=AHIEtbRohzA9WTlAdB1gdJ_04lJ70Pl5Qw
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Истина. Ја сам већ раније напоменуо да ако би се неко детаљније бавио Илирским и Пелашким - изумрелим језицима - албански би био велики путоказ.
Али треба знати да је изворно порекло са Кавказа.
Албанои,Далмати,Хистри.. - То су све илирска племена по којима данас одређене географске одреднице носе име.То свакако не означава народност,да се разумемо.
The Мerchant of Venice,Antonio:
Mark you this, Bassanio,
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
Повољна ситуација која је створена различитим хипотезама о прастановницима Балкана, учинила је да Шиптари, и сами, иако су до тог тренутка, према казивању Евлије Челебије веровали у своје "мухамеданско" порекло, одлуче, у двадесетом веку да, ради "виших" циљева, вежу своје целокупно национално биће за делић оних који том прастановничком балканском субстрату народа припадају. Као што се да закључити из података који не могу да лажу, тај делић је мањи и од грчког и од арманског а далеко мањи него што је присутан код осталих народа Балкана.
Питање језика, колико год то једноставно деловало не може се разматрати без увида у најбитнију чињеницу , а то је да оно мало "илирских" речи које су записали ГРЦИ је ЗАПИСАНО НА НАЧИН КАКО ТО ГРЦИ ПЕРЦИПИРАЈУ, а самим тим у погледу Албанаца подложно критици у којој МОРА ДА СЕ УЗМЕ У ОБЗИР заједнички темељ грчког, латинског и албанског језика. Албански језик би се сатојао од много скраћенијег фонда када бисмо избацили све оне које су позајмљене из грчког латинског и српског. Те преостале речи немају везе са "староилирским" већ, управо нагињу ка туркофоним и арапским.
Неколико постова уназад, Илиријан Дрим је апострофирао албанску реч БЕСА, као неко благо албанског језика а вероватно није прочитао објашњење према којем је врло јасно да сви Словени имају ову реч у свом лексичком фонду као БЕСЕДА.
Serdar Scepan Radojevic
Domaćin
- Poruka
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This is one page from geographical atlas of Ptolemy, second century A.D. It shows the region between Black Sea and Caspian Sea, and clearly depicts a region called Albania:
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Elita
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Antropoloshki nalazi navode da su stari Iliri pripadali Halstadt Nordijskoj rasi. Kada se uzme u obzir izgled danashnjih Albanaca, teorija da su oni stari Iliri padaju u vodu.
Nesto od "brace" Germana.
b)Language:
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo- European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters untill 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.
d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.
g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria
h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of comunicating with eachother.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)
i) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.
j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Goegraphy can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html
k) Now, when we look at apostle Bartholomew's life, we find he labored in the area around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the section that was then called Armenia. The modern name of the district where he died is Azerbaijan and the place of his death, called in New Testament times ALBANOPOLIS!!!, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.
l) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them.
m) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.
n) One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.
o) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.
p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
q) The most interesting fact is our knoledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the yong Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.
A fact to support this exept the texts themselfs is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background.
Nesto od "brace" Germana.
b)Language:
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo- European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters untill 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.
d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.
g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria
h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of comunicating with eachother.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)
i) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.
j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Goegraphy can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html
k) Now, when we look at apostle Bartholomew's life, we find he labored in the area around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the section that was then called Armenia. The modern name of the district where he died is Azerbaijan and the place of his death, called in New Testament times ALBANOPOLIS!!!, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.
l) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them.
m) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.
n) One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.
o) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.
p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
q) The most interesting fact is our knoledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the yong Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.
A fact to support this exept the texts themselfs is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background.
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illyrian_dream
Zainteresovan član
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- 128
Srbi su juzni sloveni , i nije mi jasno zasto je vam sramota da primite tu cinjencu, vi imate slavenski jezik, kulturu, tradicije, vas jezik se razume do mongolije.
A ZATO STO STE TOLIKO INTERESOVANI ZA ALBANSKU ISTORIJU, TO NIJE NEKA CUDA, CEO SVET JE INTERSOVAN ZA TO, JER TAMO NEGDE U DUBINU ISTORIJE ALBANSKOG NARODA ( SHQIPTARSKOG NARODA) , SVAKI NAROD CE NACI NESTO ZA SEBE
A ZATO STO STE TOLIKO INTERESOVANI ZA ALBANSKU ISTORIJU, TO NIJE NEKA CUDA, CEO SVET JE INTERSOVAN ZA TO, JER TAMO NEGDE U DUBINU ISTORIJE ALBANSKOG NARODA ( SHQIPTARSKOG NARODA) , SVAKI NAROD CE NACI NESTO ZA SEBE
Battlecat
Iskusan
- Poruka
- 6.977
Није него много лажете и људи вам показују колко је провидно брате, нема ту филозофије
Сви вас провалили. Мислим позиваш се на нешто за шта ни сам немаш појма и знаш да није то тако али идеш упорно без стида , нечасно , а то сви шиптари раде
Andjela
Elita
- Poruka
- 23.874
Dragi Illyrian_Dream,
Mislim da si sve pogresno razumeo, a pogotovu to o slovenskom poreklu Srba. Ne stide se Srbi svog porekla, kao sto to cine Slovenci recimo.
Sto se tice albanske istorije, svako iole malo obrazovan i ko zna malo logicki da razmislja, iz hobija moze poci putem istrazivanja albanske istorije, koja ne datira iz antickog doba, vec mnogo kasnije.
Jedina tema i nisu albanci i njihova istorija, imas tema o svacemu na forumu, a ako si procitao moj prethodni post, bice ti mnoge stvari jasnije i ako ti ne zelis da ih prhvatis...
Акај
Elita
- Poruka
- 15.632
Potrudi se da procitas onaj post gore.koji sam kopirao - srozao je sve vase romanticarske teorije u jednom postu...
Ne niko se ovde ne srami svog poreklo,naprotiv. Ti to samo tako prikazujes da bi "merodavnije" utvrdio zasto Srbi spore "Ilirsko pitanje".
To su romanticarske TEORIJE I IDEOLOGIJE koje su nastale kao osnov za Siptarske pretenzije na neke teritorije.
Ali posto sam vec imao prilike da vidim da nemas ni trunku objektivnosti a ni osnovnog istorijskog znanja,tesko mi je da ti to objasnim..
U svim dokazima koje neko ovde prinese ti ces videti "srpske zlotvore i ljubomorne pacenike" zato sto imas veliki problem i ogranicenje u glavi...
U tvom objasnjenu da se slovenski jezici razumu sve do Mongolije lezi jasan prikaz tvog ironicnog negodovanja nekih dokaza koje ljudi ovde postave,kao i jasan prikaz tvoje ogranicenosti.
A inace to je zaista tacno.I tacno je da Mongoli pisu cirilicom,zato sto Rusi imaju ogroman uticaj na susedne teritorije. Ali naravno iljrijan dzrimko na to nije ni pomislio...
Ih dodjavola...
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Elita
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Andjela
Elita
- Poruka
- 23.874
Mislis po malo ste drpili od svakog naroda, pa napravili anticku istoriju albanskog naroda?
Акај
Elita
- Poruka
- 15.632
Evo jos jednom:
b)Language
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo- European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters untill 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.
Their original alphabet is very similiar to Georgian.
d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.
g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria
h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of comunicating with eachother.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)
i) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.
j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Goegraphy can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html
k) Now, when we look at apostle Bartholomew's life, we find he labored in the area around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the section that was then called Armenia. The modern name of the district where he died is Azerbaijan and the place of his death, called in New Testament times ALBANOPOLIS!!!, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.
l) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them.
m) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.
n) One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.
o) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.
p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
q) The most interesting fact is our knoledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the yong Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.
A fact to support this exept the texts themselfs is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background.
b)Language
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo- European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters untill 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.
Their original alphabet is very similiar to Georgian.
d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.
g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria
h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of comunicating with eachother.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)
i) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.
j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Goegraphy can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html
k) Now, when we look at apostle Bartholomew's life, we find he labored in the area around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the section that was then called Armenia. The modern name of the district where he died is Azerbaijan and the place of his death, called in New Testament times ALBANOPOLIS!!!, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.
l) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them.
m) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.
n) One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.
o) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.
p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
q) The most interesting fact is our knoledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the yong Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.
A fact to support this exept the texts themselfs is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background.
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Afërdita - PELASGI
Afër dita - ALBANSKI
Near daylight.- ENGLESKI
Agora - PELASGI
(Shesh prej guri)
Asht gur ALBANSKI
It is made of stone..- ENGLESKI
Akea - B]PELASGI[/B]
A ke - ALBANSKI
Have you? .- ENGLESKI
Arbana - PELASGI
Ar bana -ALBANSKI
(I) made ar-able land..- ENGLESKI
ArbEri- PELASGI
Ar bëri-ALBANSKI
(He) made arable land...- ENGLESKI
Arkeleu / Arçel PELASGI
Arë ke le / Arë çel-ALBANSKI
Arable land (you) were born / (he) makes...- ENGLESKI
ArtemisPELASGI
Arë themi -s-ALBANSKI
Arable land (we) say. ENGLESKI
AtameneB]PELASGI[/B]
A thamë ne-ALBANSKI
Did we say … ?ENGLESKI
BukefaliPELASGI
Bukë falës-ALBANSKI
Bread gratis-giver.ENGLESKI[/B
BYLIS B]PELASGI
Pylli-ALBANSKI
The forest. .ENGLESKI[/B
Dea B]PELASGI
Dhea (Dheja, Dheu) -ALBANSKI
The soil. .ENGLESKI[/B
Demetër B]PELASGI[/B
Dhe mitër -ALBANSKI
Fertile soil..ENGLESKI[/B
Desaret iB]PELASGI[/B
Deshë are -ti -ALBANSKI
Rams (fed on) arable land. -..ENGLESKI[/B
Drumodi B]PELASGI[/B
Dru madh -ALBANSKI
Large wood.-..ENGLESKI[/B
Edesha (qytet)
E desha / Deshë-a
(I) wanted (it). / The rams.
Efesi
Është veshi
It is the ear / dressing.
Efesian
Ephesian
Është vesh-jan
It is listener / tailor.
Egnatia
E njatia (zgjatia)
The stretched.
Eleuther
E leu dheri
The soil gave born to (him/her)
Epir
E pira
The drinking.
Eskili
E shkeli
(He) stepped on.
Eskulapi
(Perëndi e mjeksisë)
Aesculapius
E shkula pi
Root out and drink.
Ftia
Dhia
Goat.
Gigae
Gji gja
Wide harbour.
Gulam
Ku lamë
Where did (we) leave?
Hera
Era
The wind.
Himeti
Hi mbeti
(It) remained ash.
Hipia
Hippias
I pi (pirë)
Drunken.
Isa
Issa
Isha
(I) was.
Itaka
Ithaca
I thaka
It makes dry /them feel cold.
Kalsidika
Chalcidice
Kalë si dhi ka
Black horse like goat (he) has.
Karano
Karano
Ka ranë / rërë
There is sand.
Kasandra
Cassandra
Kasha /kesha /kisha andrra
(I) had dreams.
Kavalla
(Port detar në Greqi)
Cavallo
Ka valë
There are waves (seaport in Greece).
Kos (ishull)
Cos
Kos
Yogurt
Lisus
Lissus
Lesh / Lis
Wool / Oak.
Mallakastra
Mallakastra
Mal kashtër
Straw stack
Mendoçino
Mendocino
Mendo çin / kë
Think of whom.
Menelau
Menelaus
Me ne leu
With us (he) was born.
Mikena
Mycenae
Mik kena
Friends we have.
Molosi
Molossia
Mbolle shi
(You) sowed rain.
Pegas
Pegasus
Pe gja (gjë)
Did (you) see anything?
Pela
Pella
Pela
Mare.
Pellazg
Pelasgian
Pela -azg
Whoever has mares.
Penelopa
Penelope
Pen (Pend) e lopë
Plough and cow.
Perdika
Perdiccas
Për dikë
For somebody.
Persefoni
Persephone
Përse vonë
Why late?
Perseu
Perseus
Përse
Why?
Pirro
Pyrrhus
Pi rro
Drink (and) live.
Pitian
Pythian
Pi ti, janë.
You drink, (they) are.
Poseidon
Poseidon
Po, se i don
Yes, because (he) wants (them).
Potidea
Potidaea
Pote dhea
Earthen pot.
Priam
(Mbreti i Trojës)
Priam
Prij jam / I parë jam
Leader I am / The first I am.
Salamina
Salamis
Sa lamë
How many did (we) leave?
Simois
Simois
Si mua ish
Like me was.
Skae
Scaea
Skae / Skaj
Edge.
Skamandër
Scamander
S’kam andërr
(I) have no dream.
Strimon
Strymon
Shtrim
Laying down.
Detis
(Perëndi e detit)
Thetis
Deti
Sea
Thesalia
Thessaly
Thesa li-ni
Linen sacks.
Tiranët
Tyrants
Të rëndët
The heavys.
Tire
Tyre
Tirë
Wine vat.
Trakë
Thrace
Trokë (tokë, dhe)
(To be) penniless (on ground).
Zeus
Zeus
Zë
Voice.
Afërdita - PELASGI
Afër dita - ALBANSKI
Near daylight.- ENGLESKI
Agora - PELASGI
(Shesh prej guri)
Asht gur ALBANSKI
It is made of stone..- ENGLESKI
Akea - B]PELASGI[/B]
A ke - ALBANSKI
Have you? .- ENGLESKI
Arbana - PELASGI
Ar bana -ALBANSKI
(I) made ar-able land..- ENGLESKI
ArbEri- PELASGI
Ar bëri-ALBANSKI
(He) made arable land...- ENGLESKI
Arkeleu / Arçel PELASGI
Arë ke le / Arë çel-ALBANSKI
Arable land (you) were born / (he) makes...- ENGLESKI
ArtemisPELASGI
Arë themi -s-ALBANSKI
Arable land (we) say. ENGLESKI
AtameneB]PELASGI[/B]
A thamë ne-ALBANSKI
Did we say … ?ENGLESKI
BukefaliPELASGI
Bukë falës-ALBANSKI
Bread gratis-giver.ENGLESKI[/B
BYLIS B]PELASGI
Pylli-ALBANSKI
The forest. .ENGLESKI[/B
Dea B]PELASGI
Dhea (Dheja, Dheu) -ALBANSKI
The soil. .ENGLESKI[/B
Demetër B]PELASGI[/B
Dhe mitër -ALBANSKI
Fertile soil..ENGLESKI[/B
Desaret iB]PELASGI[/B
Deshë are -ti -ALBANSKI
Rams (fed on) arable land. -..ENGLESKI[/B
Drumodi B]PELASGI[/B
Dru madh -ALBANSKI
Large wood.-..ENGLESKI[/B
Edesha (qytet)
E desha / Deshë-a
(I) wanted (it). / The rams.
Efesi
Është veshi
It is the ear / dressing.
Efesian
Ephesian
Është vesh-jan
It is listener / tailor.
Egnatia
E njatia (zgjatia)
The stretched.
Eleuther
E leu dheri
The soil gave born to (him/her)
Epir
E pira
The drinking.
Eskili
E shkeli
(He) stepped on.
Eskulapi
(Perëndi e mjeksisë)
Aesculapius
E shkula pi
Root out and drink.
Ftia
Dhia
Goat.
Gigae
Gji gja
Wide harbour.
Gulam
Ku lamë
Where did (we) leave?
Hera
Era
The wind.
Himeti
Hi mbeti
(It) remained ash.
Hipia
Hippias
I pi (pirë)
Drunken.
Isa
Issa
Isha
(I) was.
Itaka
Ithaca
I thaka
It makes dry /them feel cold.
Kalsidika
Chalcidice
Kalë si dhi ka
Black horse like goat (he) has.
Karano
Karano
Ka ranë / rërë
There is sand.
Kasandra
Cassandra
Kasha /kesha /kisha andrra
(I) had dreams.
Kavalla
(Port detar në Greqi)
Cavallo
Ka valë
There are waves (seaport in Greece).
Kos (ishull)
Cos
Kos
Yogurt
Lisus
Lissus
Lesh / Lis
Wool / Oak.
Mallakastra
Mallakastra
Mal kashtër
Straw stack
Mendoçino
Mendocino
Mendo çin / kë
Think of whom.
Menelau
Menelaus
Me ne leu
With us (he) was born.
Mikena
Mycenae
Mik kena
Friends we have.
Molosi
Molossia
Mbolle shi
(You) sowed rain.
Pegas
Pegasus
Pe gja (gjë)
Did (you) see anything?
Pela
Pella
Pela
Mare.
Pellazg
Pelasgian
Pela -azg
Whoever has mares.
Penelopa
Penelope
Pen (Pend) e lopë
Plough and cow.
Perdika
Perdiccas
Për dikë
For somebody.
Persefoni
Persephone
Përse vonë
Why late?
Perseu
Perseus
Përse
Why?
Pirro
Pyrrhus
Pi rro
Drink (and) live.
Pitian
Pythian
Pi ti, janë.
You drink, (they) are.
Poseidon
Poseidon
Po, se i don
Yes, because (he) wants (them).
Potidea
Potidaea
Pote dhea
Earthen pot.
Priam
(Mbreti i Trojës)
Priam
Prij jam / I parë jam
Leader I am / The first I am.
Salamina
Salamis
Sa lamë
How many did (we) leave?
Simois
Simois
Si mua ish
Like me was.
Skae
Scaea
Skae / Skaj
Edge.
Skamandër
Scamander
S’kam andërr
(I) have no dream.
Strimon
Strymon
Shtrim
Laying down.
Detis
(Perëndi e detit)
Thetis
Deti
Sea
Thesalia
Thessaly
Thesa li-ni
Linen sacks.
Tiranët
Tyrants
Të rëndët
The heavys.
Tire
Tyre
Tirë
Wine vat.
Trakë
Thrace
Trokë (tokë, dhe)
(To be) penniless (on ground).
Zeus
Zeus
Zë
Voice.
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malo od mnogih identicne toponima na kavkazu i u albaniji
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria
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