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Protestujem! Zasto su se spojili ove dve teme!? Umesto da izbrisete gluposti doticnih clanova vi ste spojili dve razlicite teme. JA NISAM PISAO O ZABRANJENOJ ISTORIJI SRBA ili nekim zaverama!!!

Svi ovi narodi su priznati u istoriji - oni su zaista postojali!
''Keltski'' Srbi (Seurbi) u Portugaliji (pre Hrista)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seurbi


''Vikinski-germanski'' Srbi - Zerbi
http://www.archive.org/stream/originofzerbeysn00elli#page/n5/mode/2up
http://www.archive.org/stream/originofzerbeysn00elli/originofzerbeysn00elli_djvu.txt

Origin Of The Zerbeys

NAME TRACED TO NINTH CENTURY

THE Zerbes were originally Norsemen
and natives of ancient Scandinavia, a
general name given in the early cen-
turies to the great tract of country north of
German}^, comprising Denmark, Norvv^ay
and Sweden and including Iceland and the
Danish Archipelago.



''Kineski'' Srbi (93–2nd century)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei_state#cite_ref-16
“Xianbei” was also recorded as “Sian-pie,” “Serbi,” “Sirbi” and “Sirvi”.
Zhang, Jiuhe [张久和] (1998). Yuan Menggu ren de li shi: Shiwei--Dada yan jiu [History of the Original Mongols: research on Shiwei-Dadan] 原蒙古人的历史: 室韦--达怛研究. Beijing [北京], Gao deng jiao yu chu ban she [High Education Press] 高等教育出版社. pp. 27–28.


Serboi, Sarmatsko pleme
http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Serboi

Serbs are thought to be first mentioned by Tacitus in 50 AD, Pliny the Elder in 77 AD (Naturalis Historia) and Ptolemy in his Geography 2nd century AD, who associate the "Serbs" with the Sarmatian tribe of Serboi of the North Caucasus and Lower Volga.[47] Ptolemy also mentions the town of Serbinum, present day Gradiška in Republika Srpska, Bosnia and Herzegovina.


Bratstvo Srblja u antickom Rimu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servilia_(gens)

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Protestujem! Zasto su se spojili ove dve teme!? Umesto da izbrisete gluposti doticnih clanova vi ste spojili dve razlicite teme. JA NISAM PISAO O ZABRANJENOJ ISTORIJI SRBA ili nekim zaverama!!!

Svi ovi narodi su priznati u istoriji - oni su zaista postojali!

Kad bi se brisale sve gluposti napisane na ovoj temi prvo bi bili obrisani tvoji postovi.
 
Kad bi se brisale sve gluposti napisane na ovoj temi prvo bi bili obrisani tvoji postovi.

Sta Keltski Seurbi nisu postojali!? Xianbei ne znaci Serbi!? Sarmatski Serboi nisu postojali!?

Ova tema je krajnije neozbiljna za bilo koju diskusiju na tu temu, Homir=Momir :lol: i onaj nesrecnik Zivkovic na kopernikus pa svaka diskusija o nasoj istoriji mi presedne posle njega...
 
Sta Keltski Seurbi nisu postojali!? Xianbei ne znaci Serbi!? Sarmatski Serboi nisu postojali!?

Ova tema je krajnije neozbiljna za bilo koju diskusiju na tu temu, Homir=Momir :lol: i onaj nesrecnik Zivkovic na kopernikus pa svaka diskusija o nasoj istoriji mi presedne posle njega...

Kako povezati današnje balkanske Srbe sa kineskim , tačnije mongolskim narodom čije se ime izgovara slično ?
 
Sta Keltski Seurbi nisu postojali!? Xianbei ne znaci Serbi!? Sarmatski Serboi nisu postojali!?

Ova tema je krajnije neozbiljna za bilo koju diskusiju na tu temu, Homir=Momir :lol: i onaj nesrecnik Zivkovic na kopernikus pa svaka diskusija o nasoj istoriji mi presedne posle njega...

Твоја знанична историја - Карпати..
 
Kako povezati današnje balkanske Srbe sa kineskim , tačnije mongolskim narodom čije se ime izgovara slično ?

Nije uopste tacno dokazano dal su Xianbei/Donghu narodi mongolci o tome se jos danas vodi naucna rasprava...

''In various times Mongols have been equated with the Scythians, the Magog and the Turks. Based on Chinese historical texts the ancestry of the Mongol peoples can be traced back to the Donghu, a nomadic confederation occupying eastern Mongolia and Manchuria. The identity of the Xiongnu is still debated today. Although some scholars maintain that they were proto-Mongols, the fact that Chinese histories trace certain Turkic tribes from the Xiongnu complicates the issue..''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolic_peoples
 

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Poslednja izmena od moderatora:
Protestujem! Zasto su se spojili ove dve teme!? Umesto da izbrisete gluposti doticnih clanova vi ste spojili dve razlicite teme. JA NISAM PISAO O ZABRANJENOJ ISTORIJI SRBA ili nekim zaverama!!!

Svi ovi narodi su priznati u istoriji - oni su zaista postojali!

То је све нечије виђење/став и нема потребе да се брише. Односно, то је више него добро да остане на теми - како би видели обе стране медаље. Шта имамо од једноумља, хоћеш да дискутујеш сам са собом ? Тема је спојена како не бисмо имали 10 различитих тема које се своде на исто.
 
Nije uopste tacno dokazano dal su Xianbei/Donghu narodi mongolci o tome se jos danas vodi naucna rasprava...

''In various times Mongols have been equated with the Scythians, the Magog and the Turks. Based on Chinese historical texts the ancestry of the Mongol peoples can be traced back to the Donghu, a nomadic confederation occupying eastern Mongolia and Manchuria. The identity of the Xiongnu is still debated today. Although some scholars maintain that they were proto-Mongols, the fact that Chinese histories trace certain Turkic tribes from the Xiongnu complicates the issue..''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolic_peoples

Uopšte nije bitno da li su mongolskog ili kineskog porekla bitno je da oni nemaju nikakve veze sa današnjim balkanskim Srbima.
 
То је све нечије виђење/став и нема потребе да се брише. Односно, то је више него добро да остане на теми - како би видели обе стране медаље. Шта имамо од једноумља, хоћеш да дискутујеш сам са собом ? Тема је спојена како не бисмо имали 10 различитих тема које се своде на исто.

То је све нечије виђење/став и нема потребе да се брише. Односно, то је више него добро да остане на теми - како би видели обе стране медаље. Шта имамо од једноумља, хоћеш да дискутујеш сам са собом ? Тема је спојена како не бисмо имали 10 различитих тема које се своде на исто.

Tema nema nikakve veze sa dereticevem nebulozama, tema je bila Rodoslov Srba - Narodi koji su se zvali Srbi. Spojena sa dereticem ova tema gubi smisao jer se vezuje za nestrucni rad Deretica.

Obe strane medalje!? Clanovi su se sprdali s temom to nema nikakve veze s temom.

Dokumentovana sprdnja:
Hvala na ispravci, Bajo.

Kockaste glave, izduzen dorsum, namrgodjene i opasne face, nevjerovatna podudarnost sa dinarskim antropoloskim tipom; moze se sa stopostotnom sigurnoscu zakljuciti da su ovo stari Srbi sa Pacifika.

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Не не, грешиш, ово је србски зид:

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А изградио га је Срба Туљан (лат. Servius Tullius), Србин (Расен/Рашанин/Трачанин/Трибал/Илир/Скит/Сармат), србски краљ Рима. Од тад су Латини решили да се освете Србима и затру њихову историју и име.
Проуча



I Islanđani


I Spartanci


I Asirci


Ево једног сунчевог цвета, Срби су га посебно пелцовали да би им краве биле просветљене:

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Јасно се виде четири ћирична С тј огњила као инвокација бога сунца.


Из истог разлога се прави биљни маргарин
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, којим се премазују славски колачи, као део древне србске традије - симболично конзумирање отелотворења бога сунца, које су хришћани украли у прерадили у причу о хлебу и вину као телу и крви Христовој.

Evo jedan srbin sa sokolom , inače Srbi su nekada pre 5 000 0000 0000 000000 godina bili poznati diljem svetskog šara kao sokolari.
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Posle ovih Srba nastali su krilati Srbi pa morski pa onda Sunčani , sa sunčevim zracima kao simbolima večnog kretanja i seljenja.
 
Naravno zasto bi imali bilo kakve veze s nama... zovu se samo Srbi :lol:

ne brate,ne zovu se Srbi..ja zivim u Kini,te znam da procitam Xian bi......se cita..shjan bi....a imaju,i mnogo slicnijih reci,od ove koja zvuci na naski,pa ih nisu postavili,jer znace bezvezarije
Srbija i Srbi pak,kazu Ser wei...ili ser wei ya za Srbija

Nemaju ti ljudi nikakve veze,vec sam pisao na bas toj temi,sa Srbima...ali nikakve,nema cak ni R u toj reci...kako si povezao sa Srbi.....zapravo ne ti,ti koji su povezivali
 
ne brate,ne zovu se Srbi..ja zivim u Kini,te znam da procitam Xian bi......se cita..shjan bi....a imaju,i mnogo slicnijih reci,od ove koja zvuci na naski,pa ih nisu postavili,jer znace bezvezarije
Srbija i Srbi pak,kazu Ser wei...ili ser wei ya za Srbija

Nemaju ti ljudi nikakve veze,vec sam pisao na bas toj temi,sa Srbima...ali nikakve,nema cak ni R u toj reci...kako si povezao sa Srbi.....zapravo ne ti,ti koji su povezivali


序言:笔者并不想写一篇包罗各方面的,关于蒙古民族简明通史性的文章,因为已经有数不清的中外史家和历史爱好者作过这个工作。对于大家耳熟能详的事情,笔者不想多费笔墨。笔者仅仅是以蒙古民族从古到今的发展做个主线,采用点、面结合的方法,突出某些细节,勾勒出一个大概的轮廓。这个轮廓将着重指出,从远古以来,蒙古人及其祖先就富于挑战性和国际性。他们活动的舞台,决不仅限于地理学上的蒙古高原,从万里长城和兴安岭向西直达黑海和多瑙河畔的亚欧腹地的大草原,皆是马背民族理想的家园。千百年来,他们马不停蹄地奔驰在这片广袤无边的原野上,在半个旧世界里深烙下自己的印迹,繁衍出众多的兄弟姊妹;这些性格坚强、智慧沉着的游牧人,主演着一幕幕波澜壮阔的历史大戏,为世界的发展做出了杰出和独特的贡献!

一、蒙古人的先民

从前,有一个时代,
蔚蓝的天空最初形成,
金色的大地刚刚结成,
天上的星晨还很稀少,
地上的生灵还不很多,------
——巴尔虎小型英雄史诗《阿拉坦嗄鲁》
蒙古人的起源,还是一个有争议的问题,但大体可分为两种意见:源于匈奴-突厥说 晒殴 д吆鸵恍┤毡狙д咧髡耪庖豢捶ǎ辉从谙时?室韦说,中国学者和多数西方学者认可这一观点(另外,还有满蒙同源说,源于黄帝说,源于印度-西藏说,皆不可信)。笔者赞同后一说法,这不仅有生活习俗的因袭传承,中外史料的大量佐证,更有语言学方面的鼎力支持,这也将是本文的一个侧重点。
让我们拨开历史的迷雾,从鲜卑的母亲东胡谈起。
在春秋战国时代,中原人习称匈奴为“胡”,因此把匈奴东边的一支游牧狩猎部落称为“东胡”,显然,这不是她的本名。当时,东胡分布于燕国以北、赵国以东(今内蒙赤峰市西拉木伦河和老哈河流域),曾数次与燕、赵争战。秦朝末年,东胡一度强大,东胡王(可惜,史料中没有留下他的名字)持势向匈奴人索取良马、美姬,但是,他遇到一个强硬的对手,游牧人第一位传奇英雄匈奴单于挛鞮冒顿(?~前174年)。当东胡王第三次向西边的邻居要求割让边地殴脱(这是一个古老的阿尔泰语,土耳其语的Oda,察合台语的Odak,意为室;通古斯语的Otok,意为天幕;布里亚特语的Otok,意为宿营;蒙语的Otog,意为部落、宗族、屯营,特指主要由近亲关系构成的家族集团及其游牧的地域的结合体)之外大片弃地时,回答他的是冒顿的宣战号召,在匈奴骑兵的迎头痛击下,傲慢的东胡王和他的部落联盟土崩瓦解,剩余的部众一部分退到乌桓山(今内蒙赤峰市阿鲁科尔沁旗北,大兴安岭南端),因此称为乌桓;另一部分退往更北的鲜卑山(今内蒙兴安盟科尔沁右翼中旗西及迤北地带),所以得名鲜卑。
乌桓依违于汉朝和匈奴之间,叛服无常,尽管西汉曾一度把他们迁回东胡旧地,作为对匈奴的牵制力量。史料中记载了东汉初年一位于乌桓大人(大人为乌桓和鲜卑部落首领称号,显然就是后来的蒙语Da-Daa,意为头目、长)的名字郝旦,这个名字可以还原为蒙语Hadan-Had,意为峭壁、岩石;同样的,东汉末年辽西(今辽宁义县西)乌桓大人名叫丘力居,可还原为蒙语Qilagu-Quluu,意为石头,这两个名字成为后代蒙古男子的常用名。丘力居的侄子蹋顿(Tatar?)时,统一辽东(今辽宁辽阳市)、右北平(今河北平泉县)、上谷(今河北怀来县)诸郡乌桓,组成联盟,并卷入中原诸侯纷争。207年,蹋顿在柳城(今辽宁锦西市西北)被北方军阀的总代表曹操(155~220年)击破,蹋顿被杀,其部署万余落被迁往内地,后来渐渐融入汉人中。
相对于乌桓的影影绰绰,他们的兄弟鲜卑的名声更响、影响更大。鲜卑与“鲜卑山”,尤其是“大鲜卑山”关联密切。1980年,米文平先生经过实地考察,在大兴安岭北段顶峰东麓“嘎仙(Kaxia)洞”(今内蒙呼伦贝尔市鄂伦春自治旗阿里河镇西北10公里)石壁上,发现了鲜卑后人(北魏)祭祖的祝文,从而确证了“大鲜卑山”的方位,也即鲜卑人最初的生息地(见米文平《鲜卑石室的发现与初步研究》)。公元1世纪,鲜卑乘北匈奴败逃之机,徒据大漠南北的匈奴故地,合并匈奴余众10万余落,势力渐盛。2世纪中叶和3世纪前叶,两位鲜卑首领檀石槐(137?~181年)和轲比能(?~235年)先后以弹汗山(今山西阳高县北150公里)和漠南为中心,建立过全体的和局部的鲜卑部落联盟。美籍华裔学者朱学渊先生企图把这两位首领的名字考定成Qingis-haan和Hubilai(即成吉思汗和忽必烈,见朱学渊《中国北方诸族的源流》,89~90页),除了能证明鲜卑人和蒙古人的渊源关系外,在勘音上并不能令人信服。
两晋南北朝时期,鲜卑各部的马蹄向南疾进,在中原大地此起彼伏地建立起一批割据政权。由于技术原因,笔者只能将其表示如下,下列条目中的各项,从前向后依次为:国名——起止时间——创建者所属鲜卑氏族——首都(政权多处在动荡中,所以首都经常迁移)——亡于何族何国。
前燕 337~370年 慕容氏 龙城(今辽宁朝阳市)、蓟(今北京市西南)、邺(今河北临障县西南) 氐人的前秦
西燕 384~394年 慕容氏 长安(今陕西省会西安市西北)、长子(今山西长治市南) 鲜卑人的后燕
后燕 384~407年 慕容氏 中山(今河北定州市)、龙城 汉人的北燕
西秦 385~431年 乞伏氏 苑川(今甘肃榆中县北)、金城(今甘肃兰州市)、抱罕(今甘肃临夏市)、南安(今甘肃陇西县) 匈奴人的夏国
南凉 397~414年 秃发氏(拓跋氏的转音) 湟中(今青海湟中县)、西平(今青海省会西宁市)、乐都(今青海乐都县)、姑臧(今青海武威市) 鲜卑人的西秦
南燕 398~410年 慕容氏 滑台(今河南滑县东南)、广固(今山东青州市西北) 汉人的东晋
代 315~376年 拓跋氏 盛乐(今内蒙首府呼和浩特市和林格尔县北) 氐人的前秦
北魏 386~534年 拓跋氏 盛乐、平城(今山西大同市东)、洛阳(今河南洛阳市东) 分裂为东、西魏
东魏 534~550年 元氏(即拓跋氏) 邺 汉人的北齐春秋中文社区;
西魏 534~556年 元氏(即拓跋氏) 长安 鲜卑人的北周
北周 556~581年 宇文氏 长安 汉人的隋朝
这些鲜卑王朝中,最为出色的是拓跋氏的北魏帝国,她是第一个统一了北中国的少数民族政权,法国东方学家雷纳-格鲁赛在他的著述中称赞说,拓跋王朝“给了我们以云冈与龙门的伟大雕刻”(见格鲁赛《草原帝国》,85页)。绊随着这些艺术杰作的完成,拓跋鲜卑人自愿走完了汉化的最后一步。有一首广为流传的北朝民歌《木兰辞》,讲述的就是一位汉化的鲜卑姑娘木兰的传奇故事。
从留存至今不多的用汉语转写的鲜卑语中,学者们发现了鲜卑语与蒙古语的一致性(参见刘迎胜《丝路文化-草原卷》,91~92页)。有人进一步指出,鲜卑(Serbi-Sirbi)就是后来地理学地名西伯利亚(Siberia,意为鲜卑地方)一名的由来。今天中国锡伯(Xibe)族的名称,无疑也得自鲜卑,虽然他们的语言属于满语支。至于拓跋一名,则传到西方,变成了中古时代中国的另一个名字,在突厥语中作Tabqaci或Tabghach,在阿拉伯语中作Tamghaj,在中世纪希腊语中作Taugaste,元代对应的汉语音译写作“桃花石”。6世纪时,活跃于青海地区的党项羌人(即后来建立西夏王朝者)的领导者自称姓拓跋氏,直到9世纪末,已经转移到陕西北部发展的党项人中的拓跋氏,才为唐朝赐予的李姓所取代(但是党项人建国后,其统治者采用的姓氏既非拓跋,也非李,而是姓嵬名)。10世纪上半叶到13世纪初,立国于中亚地方的突厥喀拉汗王朝的统治者,也通常在其王号上添加“桃花石(拓跋)汗”这一遵号。这些插曲说明,“号称与后魏(北魏)皇室有亲缘关系,不过是为了表明其统治集团合法地位的一种手段。在中国北方和内亚地区,拓跋这个名称显然曾经具有崇高威望。”{见[德国]赫尔伯特-弗兰克(即傅海波)、[英国]德尼斯-特维切特(即崔瑞德)《剑桥中国辽西夏金元史》,177页}后来,拓跋的名称继续向北方缩小,成为叶尼塞河上源地区的,操着突厥语的突厥-蒙古混合民族图瓦人(Tuvas,或作图巴人Tubas)的名称。
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Preamble: I do not want to write a cover various aspects, Concise History of the Mongolian on the article, as it has numerous Chinese and foreign historians and history lovers about this work. For familiar things, I do not want to spend more ink. I only based on the development of the Mongolian nation since ancient times to be a main line, using the point, face a combination of methods, highlighting some of the details, and sketched out a rough outline. This outline will focus on that, from time immemorial, the Mongols and their ancestors challenging and international. Stage of their activities, not restricted to geography on the Mongolian Plateau, the Great Wall and Mountains from the Black Sea and Danube River directly west of the hinterland of the Eurasian steppes, are all ideal home national horseback. For thousands of years, their non-stop Mercedes-Benz in this vast boundless wilderness, in the lower half of the old world Shenluo own imprint, multiply the number of brothers and sisters; these strong character, wisdom, calm and nomadic people, starring the magnificent scenes historical drama, the development of the world and made an outstanding and unique contributions!

First, the ancestors of the Mongols

Once there was a time,
The initial formation of the blue sky,
Golden earth has just formed,
The Morning Star is still very scarce in heaven,
The creatures are not a lot of ground ,------
- Barag small epic "Ala hoarse Lu"
Mongol origin, or a controversial issue, but can be roughly divided into two views: from the Huns - Turks say the sun beating д shout ostrich suddenly felt spy д ┤ blanket weed kitchen Huan Kun-hui from come to know when the hammer ǎ ? Shiwei, said the majority of Chinese scholars and Western scholars accepted this view (in addition, there are Mongolian origin that stems from the Yellow Emperor said, from India - Tibet that are credible). I agree with the latter view, and this lifestyle is not only the inherited tradition, a large number of foreign historical evidence, more linguistic support, which will also be a focus of this article.
Let us put aside the fog of history, from the Clan's mother, Hu talked about the East.
In the Spring and Autumn Period, the Central Plains were often called the Huns as "Hu", so the Huns east of a nomadic hunting tribe known as the "East Hu," Obviously, this is not her real name. At that time, Yan Dong Hu distributed in the north of the country, Zhao east (now Inner Mongolia Chifeng Xar Moron River and the old Ha River), several times and Yan, Zhao war. Qin Dynasty, Dong Hu was strong, the East King Hu (Unfortunately, the historical data did not leave his name) holding potential to obtain good horse Huns, Miki, however, he met a tough opponent, who first nomad legend Mao Dun Hero Hun Chanyu twin leather shoes (? ~ 174 years ago). When the East King Hu third requirement was ceded to the frontier west neighbor beaten off (this is an old Altaic language, Turkish Oda, Chagatai language Odak, meaning room; Tungusic of Otok, which means sky; cloth Li Yate language Otok, which means camping; Mongolian Otog, meaning tribal, clan, Tuen camp, specifically constituted mainly by the close relationship between the nomadic family groups and their geographical combination) than when large tracts of abandoned land , Mao Dun's answer to his declaration of war was called, in the Xiongnu slap in the face, the arrogant king of the East, Hu and his tribal coalition disintegrated, and the remaining part of the Ministry of minority retreated Wuhuan Hill (now Inner Mongolia Chifeng Alukerqinqi North, Daxinganling southern end), so called Wuhuan; retreated to another part of the more northern Xianbei Hill (now Inner Mongolia, Mongolian Xinganmeng flag right in the North West and the winding area), so named after the Clan. 207 years, Tadun in Liucheng (now Liaoning Jinxi City, North West) is the chief representative of the northern warlord Cao Cao (155 - 220) break, Tadun killed thousand of their deployment were moved off the mainland, then gradually into the Han in.
Relative to the Yingyingchaochao Wuhuan, the reputation of their brothers Xianbei louder, greater impact. Xianbei and "Xianbei Mountain", especially "big Xianbei Mountain" closely associated. 1980 meters Wen-ping After the tour, the peak in northern foothill Daxinganling "Ga cents (Kaxia) hole" (now Inner Mongolia Hulunbeier Oroqen Ali town northwest 10 km) on the walls, found Xianbei descendants (the Northern Wei ) ancestors of the Zhu-Wen, which confirmed the "Big Clan Mountain" orientation, that live in the original XianBei (see rice paper flat "Xianbei Shishi discovery and preliminary study"). 1st century AD, the Huns fled North Xianbei by the machine, only according to old haunt the desert south of the Huns, the Huns Yuzhong 10 million off the merger, the burgeoning forces. 2 mid-century and three centuries ago, leaves two Clan leader Tan Shi Huai (137? ~ 181 years) and Ke energy (? ~ 235 years) has to play Khan Mountain (now Yanggao County North 150 km) and desert South of center, the establishment had all the local Clan and tribal alliance. Chinese-American scholars, Mr. Zhu Xueyuan attempt to name these two leaders into Qingis-haan test set and Hubilai (ie Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan, see Zhu Xueyuan, "the origins of Ethnic Groups in Northern China", 89 ~ 90), except to prove Xianbei and Mongol history and relationship, the sound on the exploration and not convincing.
Jin Dynasties, Xianbei ministries Horseshoe south into the disease, one after another in the Central Plains to establish a group of separatist regime. For technical reasons, I can only be expressed as follows, the following entries, from front to back as follows: name of country - starting and ending time - the creator-owned Clan clan - the capital (many in the turbulent regime, so the capital often move) - death in the family where any country.
337 ~ 370 years before Murong Shi Yan City (now Chaoyang City, Liaoning), Ji (now southwest of Beijing), Ye (this barrier County, Hebei Pro southwest) Di's Former Qin
384 - 394 West Yan Mu Rongshi Chang'an (now Xi'an, capital of northwest Shaanxi Province), the eldest son (now Shanxi Changzhi South) XianBei the Hou-yan
Hou-yan 384 ~ 407 Murong Shi Zhongshan (today's Hebei Dingzhou), City of North Yan Han
Xiqin 385 ~ 431 Yuan Chuan begging V's (now North Yuzhong County, Gansu), Jincheng (today's Lanzhou City, Gansu Province), hold rare (now Gansu Linxia), Southampton (now Gansu Longxi County) Huns Xia
Cool 397 - 414 South alopecia's (Tuoba the transfer sound) Huangzhong (now Qinghai Huangzhong), Xiping (Xining, Qinghai Province today), Ledu (now Qinghai Ledu), Guzang (now Qinghai Wuwei) Xianbei people Xiqin
Nanyan 398 to 410 years Murong Shi Slide (Henan Hua County southeast), wide solid (now Qingzhou City, Shandong northwest) of the Eastern Jin Han
Generation of 315 ~ 376 Tuoba Sheng Yue (now the capital of Hohhot, Inner Mongolia, and Lingle County North) Di's Former Qin
Northern Wei 386 ~ 534 Tuoba Sheng Yue, Ping Cheng (now Datong City, Shanxi East), Luoyang (Henan Luoyang City East) split into eastern and Western Wei
Eastern Wei 534 ~ 550 Yuanshi (ie Tuoba) Northern Qi Chunqiu Ye Han Chinese community;
Western Wei 534 ~ 556 Yuanshi (ie Tuoba) Northern Zhou Chang XianBei
Northern Zhou 556 - 581 Yuwen Shi Chang Han Sui
These Xianbei dynasty, the most remarkable is the Tuoba North Weidi Guo, she is the first unified North China's minority regime, the French Orientalist Reina - Grew game in his writings praised Tuoba dynasty "Give us the Yungang and Longmen great sculpture" (see Grew race "Prairie Empire", p. 85). Trip with the completion of these works of art, TuoBaXianBei voluntarily taken the final step in localization. There is a widespread Northern folk song "Mulan," about a girl is a localization of the Clan legend of Mulan.
Has retained much from the Chinese transliteration of the Xianbei with language, scholars have found the Mongolian language and the consistency of Xianbei (see Liu Yingsheng "Silk Road culture - Prairie Volume", 91 ~ 92). It was further pointed out that the Clan (Serbi-Sirbi) is the geographic place names later Siberia (Siberia, meaning Xianbei place) an origin. Today, China Xibe (Xibe) family name, no doubt derived from that Clan, although their language is full of language support. As a Tuoba, then spread to the West, into a medieval China's another name in the Turkic language for Tabqaci or Tabghach, in Arabic as Tamghaj, in medieval Greek as Taugaste, corresponding to the Yuan Dynasty Chinese phonetic writing "peach stone." 6th century, active in the Qinghai region Qiang party items (ie, those who later established the Western Xia Dynasty) leader surnamed Tuoba until 9 end of the century, has been transferred to the northern part of Shaanxi people's Tuoba party items, it is given the surname of the Tang Dynasty replaced (but after the founding of the party's key people, its rulers use the surname neither Tuoba, nor Lee, but the surname Wei name). Half of the 10th century to early 13th century, founding the Turks in Central Asia where the rulers of Kerala Khan dynasty, also usually add a number of its king, "Peach Stone (Tuoba) Khan," the compliance number. The episode shows that "known and Hou Wei (Northern Wei) royal family might be related, but in order to demonstrate its ruling group as a means of legal status in the region of northern China and Guinea, Tuoba name evidently had a high prestige." {see [Germany] Herbert - Frank (ie Fuhai Bo), [United Kingdom] Denis - InterVideo Chet (ie Cuirui De), "Cambridge History of China Liao Xia Jin", 177} Later, the name continues to Tuoba Northern reduced, as the source region of the Yenisei River, speaking Turkic Turkic - Mongol mixed race Tuva (Tuvas, or mapping Palestinian Tubas) name.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibe_people

The same Manchurologist, P. Crossley, suggested that the Xibe "were well known to Russians moving toward the Pacific, who named Siberia after them".[2] This, however, appears rather less likely than the standard derivation of the Russian Sibir (Siberia) from the name of Sibir Khanate and its capital Sibir. The latter names were well attested already in the mid-16th century (see, e.g., "Sibier Provincia" on Sigismund von Herberstein's map of Moscovia dated 1549, or the city and region of "Sibier" on Mercator's map of Asia (1595), while Russian explorers did not even reach today's Inner Mongolia until Ivan Petlin (1618), or the Amur basin, until Vassili Poyarkov (1643).
 
A de ti nama objasni kako je vuk postao od psa? Ili kako je lisica postala od psa? Zar nisi znao da su i vuk i lisica postali od psa?

a u toj prici...pas,ili osnov..baza,su Srbi?od kojih su nastali svi drugi...jel?[/QUOTE]

Osnovna baz je jedan korijen idno-evropljana. Uopste nije vazno da li su se u pocetku zvali Srbi, sto vjerovatno nisu. Vrijeme kad su bili jedno je oko 3000-2300 godina st. ere.
Da su Skiti bitisali na podrucju Kine svjedoci su mumije arijevaca u tom podrucju. To ne moze da se negira i ne znam zasto to zanemarujete?
 
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Vec sam pisao o Srbima u Kini, oni su pojavili (izasli iz njih) posle raspada Donghu Konfederacije:

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Donghu Konfederacija iznad Koreje

Donghu (simplified Chinese: 东胡; traditional Chinese: 東胡; pinyin: Dōnghú; Wade–Giles: Tung-hu; literally: "Eastern Foreigners" or "Eastern 'Barbarians'") was the name of a Mongolic nomadic tribal confederation that was first recorded from the 7th century BCE and was destroyed by the Xiongnu in 150 BCE. Donghu was later divided into the Wuhuan and Xianbei (Srbi) Confederations

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According to Shiji 史記 (43: 1806, 110: 2885), Hanshu 漢書 (94: 3758), Hou Hanshu 後漢書 (90: 2985), Sanguozhi 三國志 (30: 832, 836) and Jinshu 晉書 (108: 2803-2804), the Xianbei 鮮卑 (Serbet) were descendents of Donghu 東胡. According to Beishi 北史 (94: 3129), Suishu 隋書 (64: 1882, 1886) and Jiu Tangshu 舊唐書 (199: 5356), the Shiwei 室韋 were closely related with the Qidan 契丹 (Kitan) or they were a group of them, and their language was similar to theirs. Xin Tangshu 新唐書 (219: 6167, 6176) clearly states that both the Shiwei and Kitan were descendents of the Donghu and the Serbet.
 
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These Xianbei dynasty, the most remarkable is the Tuoba North Weidi Guo, she is the first unified North China's minority regime, the French Orientalist Reina - Grew game in his writings praised Tuoba dynasty "Give us the Yungang and Longmen great sculpture" (see Grew race "Prairie Empire", p. 85). Trip with the completion of these works of art, TuoBaXianBei voluntarily taken the final step in localization. There is a widespread Northern folk song "Mulan," about a girl is a localization of the Clan legend of Mulan.
Has retained much from the Chinese transliteration of the Xianbei with language, scholars have found the Mongolian language and the consistency of Xianbei (see Liu Yingsheng "Silk Road culture - Prairie Volume", 91 ~ 92). It was further pointed out that the Clan (Serbi-Sirbi) is the geographic place names later Siberia (Siberia, meaning Xianbei place) an origin. Today, China Xibe (Xibe) family name, no doubt derived from that Clan, although their language is full of language support.

Ti si tekst na kineskom jeziku stavio u google prevodilac a onda nam takav prevod podmećeš kao validan . Pa čak i da je validan ti Kinezi nemaju nikakve veze sa današnjim balkanskim Srbima. To bi bilo kao kad bi Kraišnike nazvali Ukraincima jer šta bi mogla biti Krajina nego Ukraina ili Eolce (starogrčko pleme) sa Kreolcima ili Balije (pogrdni naziv za Bošnjake) sa narodom Balija (indonežansko ostrvo) ili Ante sa narodom koji živi na Antilima itd.

ne brate,ne zovu se Srbi..ja zivim u Kini,te znam da procitam Xian bi......se cita..shjan bi....a imaju,i mnogo slicnijih reci,od ove koja zvuci na naski,pa ih nisu postavili,jer znace bezvezarije
Srbija i Srbi pak,kazu Ser wei...ili ser wei ya za Srbija

Nemaju ti ljudi nikakve veze,vec sam pisao na bas toj temi,sa Srbima...ali nikakve,nema cak ni R u toj reci...kako si povezao sa Srbi.....zapravo ne ti,ti koji su povezivali

Kada se neznalački, površno što znači proizvoljno, povezuju dva izraza sličnog izgovora onda se i Kinezi pretvaraju u Srbe. Isto tako kada se određane slične odlike dva naroda nekritički bez analize i smisla za selekciju povezuju onda Srbe možemo poistovetiti sa bilo kojim narodom , na taj način možemo sve dokazati.

Inače u ovoj temi je napisano prepuno gluposti tako da se od tolike gomile čovek oseća nemoćno jer ne zna odakle da počne. Nemam vremena tako da ću napisati samo nekoliko stvari.

Predstavljanje gusala kao isključivo srpskog instrumenta potpuno je neprihvatljivo . Osim svih balkanskih naroda izuzimajući Bošnjake i Slovence (takođe za Rumune ne znam) ovaj instrument pod raznim imenima se koristi i u Severnoj Africi (Egipat, Maroko ) i na bliskom istoku (Palestina , Sirija).
Slično je i sa opancima čija je istorija nepoznata mada ih nalazimo u dalekoj prošlosti a i danas na širokom indo - evropskom prostoru (od Indije do Skandinavije, od Atlantika do dalekog Japana,). Posebna je priča što je obuća na sumerskoj plastici identifikovana kao opanci jer je obuća zavrnuta na vrhu. Nema li onaj Kinez što gusla (sa prvog klipa) sličnu obuću ?, zašto se ta sumerska obuća odmah povezuje sa srpskim opancima? Evo holandskih klompi, pa italijanskih opanaka, pa minijaturni model ukrainskih opanaka, pa plastika sa situla, i na kraju ne mogu da odolim a da ne postavim savremene meksičke cipele iz jednog sela :hahaha:.
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Na kraju ; protestvovati zbog premeštanja teme u temu "zabranjena istorija" sa obrazloženjem kako srpska istorija nije zabranjena već nedovoljno istražena nerazuman je čin. Zar zaista neko može da misli da bi jedna takva stvar kao što su Srbi u Kini mogla biti neprimećena tolikim srpskim istoričarima, lingvistima , sinolozima, etnolozima itd. . .
Ovoj nadriistoriji nema kraja a ja trenutno nemam vremena.
 
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