Vlasi — balkanski fenomen

Mrkalj:
On je iz Krapine, bezjak Vendijanac. Njegova muzika jeste polušvapska (Joj mene joj črleni je lajbek moj, Pa po lojtrici gor, pa po lojtrici dol itd.)

Ojkanje, ganga, rera, sve je to karekteristično slovensko-gorštačko pevanje tipa belog glasa. Rekao bih I2a pevanje. :lol:

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Kad na to dodamo slovensku mitologiju i obeležavanje velje noći, noći Velesa:

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Onda vidimo ko su, ustvari, tzv. Vlasi...
 
Mrkalj:
Znam. Rehoh ti da su oni poromanjeni Srbi ali zadržali su bogat sloj srpskih arhaizama u vokabularu, nemoj da se brineš da će se taj sloj izgubiti i da ćemo zaboraviti odakle potiču.
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Преци Влаха Србије нису били Срби него Румуни. Русалке нису само словенске. Сам назив потиче из латинског Rosalia, што је био антички пролећни празник.
 
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Nijedan od Rumunima susednih slovenskih naroda za ljubav ne kaže dragost, niti za odeću haljine ili hajine - ali Rumuni čuvaju praslovenske izraze. Hvala im. :hvala:

Translations of love
noun
dragoste love, charity, love affair, affection, love story, fondness
iubire love, affection, fondness
drag dear, sake, honey, love, pet
dragă dear, dredger, drag, dredge, sweetheart, love
milă mercy, pity, mile, compassion, charity, love
persoană iubită love

verb
iubi love, care for, fancy
 
Pravi Vlah:
Преци Влаха Србије нису били Срби него Румуни. Русалке нису само словенске. Сам назив потиче из латинског Rosalia, што је био антички пролећни празник.
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Povlašeni mitomanu, mnogi Srbi su postali Vlasi, Karavlasi, Cincari, Rumuni, Arbanasi, Bugari, Grci, Jevreji, Jermeni, Turci, Čerkezi...

http://en.wikipedia.org/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Europe

Takozvani Rumuni su velikim delom slovenskog (srpskog) porekla.
 
Mrkalj:
A ko su bili preci Rumuna ako im je vokabular pun slovenskih arhaizama?


:)
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Mrkalj:
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Nijedan od Rumunima susednih slovenskih naroda za ljubav ne kaže dragost, niti za odeću haljine ili hajine - ali Rumuni čuvaju praslovenske izraze. Hvala im. :hvala:

Translations of love
noun
dragoste love, charity, love affair, affection, love story, fondness
iubire love, affection, fondness
drag dear, sake, honey, love, pet
dragă dear, dredger, drag, dredge, sweetheart, love
milă mercy, pity, mile, compassion, charity, love
persoană iubită love

verb
iubi love, care for, fancy
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Нико не оспорава словенски улив у румунском језику. То није исто као тврдња да су Румуни изворно Словени.

Нико није повезао Влахе са богом Велесом пре двадесетог века кад је стварањем савремене српске државе постало неопходно да се Румуни Србије (7% становништва без Војводине крајем деветнаестог века) асимилује у Србе.
 
Poslednja izmena:
Што се тиче тобожњих словенских вила, погледајте рад енглеског сликара из деветнаестог века John Williams Waterhouse Hylas and the Naiads, у преводу Мали Перица упознаје Русалке

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Pravi Vlah:
Нико не оспорава словенски улив у румунском језику. То није исто као тврдња да су Румуни изворно Словени.

Нико није повезао Влахе са богом Велесом пре двадесетог века кад је стварањем савремене српске државе постало неопходно да се Румуни Србије (7% становништва без Војводине крајем деветнаестог века) асимилује у Србе.
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Nikakve asimilacije u Srbe nije bilo. Vlasi su mešavina povlašenih Slovena (Srba) i Roma. Evo kako su Srbi postali Vlasi u Oršavi:

http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Oršava

Srpski putopisac Joakim Vujić lepo objasnio neke stvari.
 
Pravi Vlah:
Нико не оспорава словенски улив у румунском језику. То није исто као тврдња да су Румуни изворно Словени.

Нико није повезао Влахе са богом Велесом пре двадесетог века кад је стварањем савремене српске државе постало неопходно да се Румуни Србије (7% становништва без Војводине крајем деветнаестог века) асимилује у Србе.
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U Markovcu kod Vršca su svi Srbi postali Rumuni:

http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Markovac_(Vršac)
 
Pravi Vlah:
Што се тиче тобожњих словенских вила, погледајте рад енглеског сликара из деветнаестог века John Williams Waterhouse Hylas and the Naiads, у преводу Мали Перица упознаје Русалке

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Evo ti BEZ PREVODA:

  • 1829 – "Rusalka" is a short story of Orest Somov (translated into English and published in 2016[27]).
  • 1831 – Rusalka is a poem by Mikhail Lermontov.
  • 1856 – Rusalka is an opera by Alexander Dargomyzhsky.
  • 1895 – Roussalka is an unfinished opera by Henri Duparc.
  • 1901 – Rusalka is an opera by Antonín Dvořák.
  • 1902 – The Russalka Memorial is a monument in Tallinn, to mark the anniversary of the sinking of the Russian warship Rusalka in 1893. The bronze sculpture depicts an angel pointing her orthodox cross towards the shipwreck site.
  • 1908 – Su Anasy (tat. Су анасы; literary Water Mother, in Russian translation Vodyanaya) is a poem by Tatar poet Ğabdulla Tuqay.
  • 1930s – In his poem, Rus ken nisht ontshlofn vern, Yiddish poet Itzik Manger re-imagines the biblical Ruth in early 20th Century Russia. The night before Naomi's departure, Ruth decides that if her mother-in-law does not take her with, she will throw herself in the river and become a rusalka.[28]
  • 1943 – Nikolai Medtner's Third Piano Concerto is based on Mikhail Lermontov's ballad.
  • 1979 – The Merman's Children by Poul Anderson had a Rusalka as the lover of one of the main characters.
  • 1989 – Rusalka, a fantasy novel, part of The Rusalka trilogy of novels by C. J. Cherryh features and revolves around a rusalka named Eveshka.
  • 1991 – The Boat House by Stephen Gallagher, a novel in which a Rusalka flees her homeland and attempts to settle in the English Lakes.
  • 1993 – The Last Wish by Andrzej Sapkowski, a Polish novel from the Witcher series, in which Geralt briefly believes he has encountered a rusalka that has fallen in love with a cursed man; however, the Rusalka turns out to be a bruxa, instead.
  • 1996 – Rusalka, a short film directed by Aleksandr Petrov, shown in Petrov's Paint-on-glass animation technique.
  • 1996 – "To This Water (Johnstown, Pennsylvania 1889)", a short story by Caitlín R. Kiernan.
  • 2004 – "Omut", a concept ethno-ambient-dub album by Ethnica Music Project, based on Russian folk songs about rusalki.
  • 2005 – The Rusalka Cycle: Songs Between the Worlds is a performance piece and CD by the California-based women's vocal group Kitka.[29]
  • 2016 – The Book of Speculation: A Novel, Erika Swyler's debut, features rusalka characters in traveling circuses.
  • 2017 – Rusalka Pictures is a British independent feature film production company.
  • 2017 – In Katherine Arden's debut novel The Bear and the Nightingale the protagonist, Vasya, befriends a rusalka living in a lake.
  • 2018 – The Mermaid: Lake of the Dead, a horror film about a rusalka who falls in love with a man and places a curse on him.

In popular culture​

  • 1980 – A rusalka is featured in Poul Anderson's The Merman's Children.
  • 1993 – In the book The Last Wish, by Andrzej Sapkowski, which chronicles the adventures of The Witcher, Geralt of Rivia, The monster he meets in 2nd story has a love interest in a Rusalka.
  • 1993 – Quest for Glory: Shadows of Darkness, which draws upon Slavic mythology, features a Rusalka; Paladin characters have the option to avenge her murder and let her move on to the afterlife.
  • 2006 – A cycle of creatures in the trading card game, Magic: the Gathering called Rusalka are printed in the Guildpact expansion.
  • 2007 – The visual novel Dies Irae features a witch under the name Rusalka who, in a chapter that also references the Pied Piper of Hamelin, uses a spell to lure the local students to their demise.
  • 2008 – In the video game Devil May Cry 4 a demon called Ba'el has two angler fish-like glowing feelers called Rusalka, they are used to entice human prey and resemble young, nubile women.
  • 2008 – In the video game Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia Rusalka appears as the fifth boss, shown as an aquatic demon.
  • 2012 – Rusalka is the name of a water nymph-like boss fought in the Nintendo 3DS video game Bravely Default.
  • 2013 – Rusalkas appear as monsters in the action role-playing video game The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing
  • 2015 – Rusalka is the name of a number of beings in video game Axiom Verge. In in-game dialogue, one rusalka translates this designation as a "water machine".
  • 2016 – Rusalka is used in Ultraman Orb as the name of a fictionalized Russia where Ultraman Orb's 1908 battle with Maga-Zetton caused the Tunguska event.
  • 2018 – Rusalkas feature in The Surface Breaks, a YA novel by Louise O'Neill, a retelling of Hans Christian Andersen's 1857 story "The Little Mermaid".
  • 2018 – In the film The Bastard Sword the protagonist Tias encounters a Rusalka who guides him on his journey to find The Sword.
  • 2018 – Rusalka, Rusalka / Wild Rushes, on The Decemberists album I'll Be Your Girl.
 
Mrkalj:
Evo ti BEZ PREVODA:

  • 1829 – "Rusalka" is a short story of Orest Somov (translated into English and published in 2016[27]).
  • 1831 – Rusalka is a poem by Mikhail Lermontov.
  • 1856 – Rusalka is an opera by Alexander Dargomyzhsky.
  • 1895 – Roussalka is an unfinished opera by Henri Duparc.
  • 1901 – Rusalka is an opera by Antonín Dvořák.
  • 1902 – The Russalka Memorial is a monument in Tallinn, to mark the anniversary of the sinking of the Russian warship Rusalka in 1893. The bronze sculpture depicts an angel pointing her orthodox cross towards the shipwreck site.
  • 1908 – Su Anasy (tat. Су анасы; literary Water Mother, in Russian translation Vodyanaya) is a poem by Tatar poet Ğabdulla Tuqay.
  • 1930s – In his poem, Rus ken nisht ontshlofn vern, Yiddish poet Itzik Manger re-imagines the biblical Ruth in early 20th Century Russia. The night before Naomi's departure, Ruth decides that if her mother-in-law does not take her with, she will throw herself in the river and become a rusalka.[28]
  • 1943 – Nikolai Medtner's Third Piano Concerto is based on Mikhail Lermontov's ballad.
  • 1979 – The Merman's Children by Poul Anderson had a Rusalka as the lover of one of the main characters.
  • 1989 – Rusalka, a fantasy novel, part of The Rusalka trilogy of novels by C. J. Cherryh features and revolves around a rusalka named Eveshka.
  • 1991 – The Boat House by Stephen Gallagher, a novel in which a Rusalka flees her homeland and attempts to settle in the English Lakes.
  • 1993 – The Last Wish by Andrzej Sapkowski, a Polish novel from the Witcher series, in which Geralt briefly believes he has encountered a rusalka that has fallen in love with a cursed man; however, the Rusalka turns out to be a bruxa, instead.
  • 1996 – Rusalka, a short film directed by Aleksandr Petrov, shown in Petrov's Paint-on-glass animation technique.
  • 1996 – "To This Water (Johnstown, Pennsylvania 1889)", a short story by Caitlín R. Kiernan.
  • 2004 – "Omut", a concept ethno-ambient-dub album by Ethnica Music Project, based on Russian folk songs about rusalki.
  • 2005 – The Rusalka Cycle: Songs Between the Worlds is a performance piece and CD by the California-based women's vocal group Kitka.[29]
  • 2016 – The Book of Speculation: A Novel, Erika Swyler's debut, features rusalka characters in traveling circuses.
  • 2017 – Rusalka Pictures is a British independent feature film production company.
  • 2017 – In Katherine Arden's debut novel The Bear and the Nightingale the protagonist, Vasya, befriends a rusalka living in a lake.
  • 2018 – The Mermaid: Lake of the Dead, a horror film about a rusalka who falls in love with a man and places a curse on him.

In popular culture​

  • 1980 – A rusalka is featured in Poul Anderson's The Merman's Children.
  • 1993 – In the book The Last Wish, by Andrzej Sapkowski, which chronicles the adventures of The Witcher, Geralt of Rivia, The monster he meets in 2nd story has a love interest in a Rusalka.
  • 1993 – Quest for Glory: Shadows of Darkness, which draws upon Slavic mythology, features a Rusalka; Paladin characters have the option to avenge her murder and let her move on to the afterlife.
  • 2006 – A cycle of creatures in the trading card game, Magic: the Gathering called Rusalka are printed in the Guildpact expansion.
  • 2007 – The visual novel Dies Irae features a witch under the name Rusalka who, in a chapter that also references the Pied Piper of Hamelin, uses a spell to lure the local students to their demise.
  • 2008 – In the video game Devil May Cry 4 a demon called Ba'el has two angler fish-like glowing feelers called Rusalka, they are used to entice human prey and resemble young, nubile women.
  • 2008 – In the video game Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia Rusalka appears as the fifth boss, shown as an aquatic demon.
  • 2012 – Rusalka is the name of a water nymph-like boss fought in the Nintendo 3DS video game Bravely Default.
  • 2013 – Rusalkas appear as monsters in the action role-playing video game The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing
  • 2015 – Rusalka is the name of a number of beings in video game Axiom Verge. In in-game dialogue, one rusalka translates this designation as a "water machine".
  • 2016 – Rusalka is used in Ultraman Orb as the name of a fictionalized Russia where Ultraman Orb's 1908 battle with Maga-Zetton caused the Tunguska event.
  • 2018 – Rusalkas feature in The Surface Breaks, a YA novel by Louise O'Neill, a retelling of Hans Christian Andersen's 1857 story "The Little Mermaid".
  • 2018 – In the film The Bastard Sword the protagonist Tias encounters a Rusalka who guides him on his journey to find The Sword.
  • 2018 – Rusalka, Rusalka / Wild Rushes, on The Decemberists album I'll Be Your Girl.
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Нерелеванто. Каде се будеш мало упознао са светском историјом митологије моћи ћеш да ставиш словенску митологију у правилну перспективу

Гелскa (шкотска, ирска, итд):
http://thefae.freeservers.com/waterfaeries.html

Германска
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixie_(folklore)

Грчка
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naiad

Јапанска
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_creatures_from_Japan

Америчка Индијанска
http://www.native-languages.org/lumpeguin.htm

Афричка
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mami_Wata
 
Иначе у румунском речнику русалке се називају rusalie и описане као народна митолошка бића, сличне румунским ieleма. Очито хрватске ljelje и румунске iele имају исто порекло. Нема сумње да је ово део заједничког културалног богаства на Балкану, али само на овом форуму би се то својатало као искључиво словенским. Схватам да у теорији вечног изворног и аутохтоног српства нема места за мешање народа и еволуције једног етницитета из другог. Али, као што већ добро знаш, ја не прихватам такву теорију.
 
Pravi Vlah:
Иначе у румунском речнику русалке се називају rusalie и описане као народна митолошка бића, сличне румунским ieleма. Очито хрватске ljelje и румунске iele имају исто порекло.
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Ljelje su bunjevačke. Reč Ljelja je hipokoristik od Ljeljena, a to je dijalektalno Jelena, kao što postoji i ljeljen od jelen. Jelena - Ljelja - iela je slovenska boginja proleća.

Bunjevci su iz Paganije, kraja koji se nije pokrstio u doba apostola Pavla i otud su kod njih dobro preživeli staroslovenski verski običaji.

Odavde je interasantno zaključiti da Bunjevci koji imaju preko 60% I2a haplogrupe čuvaju staroslovenske običaje - zaključiti, dakle, da su I2a (autohtoni) Sloveni.
 
""
Goſpa. O ! jeſt niſim vezh tvoja
Rosalka , katęro ſi ſizer lubil ! jeſt ſim
ena oboga shéna, ena ſirota —
nimam moshá! ""
https://nl.ijs.si/imp/nuk/dl/NUKR10214-1790.html#pb.094

moderni slovenski:

Gospa. O ! jest nisem več tvoja
Rosalka , katero si sicer ljubil ! jest sem
ena uboga žena, ena sirota -
nimam moža!

slobodni prevod:

Gospa. O ! ja nisam više tvoja
Rosalka , koju si ustvari volio ! ja sam
jedna jadna žena, jedna sirota -
nemam muža!

1790.god.
 
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