Све што тема није, историјска питања и информације

[Gledston]

То је дукат Марије Терезије. Исто као онај из Венеције, овај дукат би требало да има 3,48g и да је рађен од најфинијег злата (.986)

 

[Seksi Gospodin]

То је дукат Марије Терезије. Исто као онај из Венеције, овај дукат би требало да има 3,48g и да је рађен од најфинијег злата (.986)

To je Franc Josef, gde ti vidiš Mariju?
Pričinjava ti se u dva noću, a?

A ti postavljač da odeš do zlatare, jer ako je pravi Josef onda imaš pola srpske plate.
Danas Srbin radi za dva dukata mesečno.
U ono vreme niko kola i volove ne bi pokrenuo za toliko.
Preci se u grobu cerekaju...

 

[хан Ацо]

То је талер,28 грама сребро.

 

[Gledston]

То је талер,28 грама сребро.

У праву си: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_thaler

 

[хан Ацо]

У праву си: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_thaler

Јесте,али претпостављам да је рестрајк.

 

[HanibalBarka666]

Zdravo
Ako bi neki poznavalac starog novca mogao da mi proceni koliko vredi ova para i gde bih mogla da je prodam? Znam da je Austrijska,ali na jednoj strani kazu 20e,na drugoj 80e. Molim za savet.

U pitanju je talir Marije Terezije sa godinom 1780.
Nije kovan te godine jer je u pitanju "restrike". Od 1858 do danas austrijska kovnica svake godine pusti u promet određenu količinu ovih kovanica. Pošto ih ima mnogo imaju samo vrednost srebra. Gramaža puta trenutna cena srebra = vrednost kovanice!

 

[Holy1]

Dobar dan, autorska tema.
Ovo će biti tema o guslarskim večerima i mestima i datumima na kojima će se događati.
Živim u Novom Sadu, imam želju da odem po prvi put u životu na guslarsko veče, a pošto stvarno po internetu, novinama ili mejstrim medijima se ne protežu ovakve informacije želeo sam otvoriti temu u vezi toga na ovom forumu, jer bi svakome ko je ljubitelj gusala i izvorne narodno epske pesme ovo poslužilo kao korisna stvar da se informiše u kom mestu i kada se će se održati guslarsko veče.

Da li neko zna kada će biti neko guslarsko veče u Novom Sadu ili okolini, Zrenjanin?
Pozdrav

 

[Sensei]

А што не питаш на Музици него овде на Историји?

 

[Holy1]

А што не питаш на Музици него овде на Историји?

Slučajno, hteo da postavim jos jednu temu u vezi istorije prvo..Zbunio se
Premestiće administrator

 

[Pantelić Nebojša]

 

[Pantelić Nebojša]

 

[Pantelić Nebojša]

"У Новом Саду је 2004-те организован научни симпозијум по иницијативи 2 академика, "нашег" Тасића и Брукнера, са намером да докажу да Винчанско писмо није никакво писмо, већ да су то некакви знаци. Зашто? Зато што је Винчанско писмо старо преко 7000 година, старије је од египатског и сумерског, и што Срби у својој садашњој азбуци имају 22 слова из Винчанског писма, што говори да смо ми много старији народ него што тврде наши академци, јер ко папагаји држе се фалсификоване историје од Порфирогенита, који каже да су Срби дошли на Балкан у 7-мом веку.

Међутим, захваљујући непристрасном научнику, Милтон Шон Вину, а какав би научник другачији могао и да буде, цео покушај је пропао. Милтон је свима на том скупу доказао да је Винчанско писмо најстарије писмо које постоји, и да ми Срби треба да будемо поносни на то, јер у данашњој азбуци имамо 22 слова из Винчанског писма. Кад је то рекао, наши академици су изгледали ко покисле кокошке, каже Деретић.

Заиста је срамота и понижење имати у својим редовима "научне" умове који се свим силама труде да подрже лажну историју о нама, јер ако хоћеш да уништиш неки народ, уништи му историју. И то нам раде у најгорем историјском тренутку, кад нам прети да нестанемо!

Ови наши "научници" су нама највећи непријатељи, не страни фактор . А зашто нам то раде? Да би задржали своје фотеље у служби лажи и овог квислиншког режима који уништава и распарчава Србију. Зато морамо подржавати Деретића и наше сличне научне умове који мукотрпно раде да истина о Србима изађе што више на светлост дана, иако их многи Тасићи неаргументовано омаловажавају, да је што више Срба упозна, да се пробуди...! "

 

[Mrkalj]

How scientists debunked the Loch Ness Monster

The legendary Loch Ness Monster, as recorded by Robert Wilson. Wilson/Keystone/Getty Images
Many people know that the most famous photograph of the Loch Ness Monster was a total hoax. The "creature" depicted in Robert Wilson's 1934 shot turned out to be nothing more than a toy submarine with a plastic head stuck on it.
But for some reason, the legend has persisted over the decades — and, of course, one fake photograph doesn't prove there isn't a monster.
So, more recently, a pair of scientists decided to take up the task of proving once and for all that the Loch Ness Monster can't possibly be real.
In their book Abominable Science!: Origins of the Yeti, Nessie, and Other Famous Cryptids, Daniel Loxton and Donald R. Prothero offer a thorough debunking of a menagerie of mythological animals, from Nessie to Bigfoot. Prothero, a paleontologist and geologist, walked me through all the reasons the Loch Ness Monster couldn't possibly exist.

Spojler

1) There hasn't been a single convincing sighting of "Nessie"

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Observers scan the Loch in 1968 (without success). (Fox Photos/Stringer/Getty Images)
Start with the most obvious point: According to the legend, there's supposedly a giant sea monster that (probably) looks like a dinosaur living in Loch Ness, a freshwater lake in the Scottish highlands. Though the monster was photographed most famously in the 1930s, fans say the myth has been around for centuries.
The monster, lovingly called "Nessie," is one of the most formidable examples of "cryptozoology," the study of animals that haven't been proven to exist. For a giant dinosaur-like animal that lives in a lake, we'd need a lot of evidence. But we haven't found anything yet.
There is a long history of monster "sightings" around Loch Ness. In 1852, for example, villagers brought out actual pitchforks to battle a "sea serpent" (it turned out to be a pony taking a bath). In 1933, a Londoner named George Spicer said he spotted the beast carrying a lamb in its mouth. From there, accounts ballooned and took on a life of their own.
But these accounts have always been unreliable and often differ wildly on what the monster even looks like (early reports suggested the Loch Ness Monster was a seal-like creature, not a dinosaur). So far, hoaxes aside, no one has produced a single authentic photograph. That should make us extremely suspicious. But that objection is just the beginning.
2) If Nessie were real, we'd find bones of its ancestors. We haven't.

A 1951 drawing of a plesiosaur, the marine reptile many consider a model for Nessie. (Universal Images Group/Getty Images)
"The bigger issue," Prothero says, "is that the biological, geological, and physical evidence is against the thing existing."
As the Nessie myth developed, many cryptozoologists promoted the theory that it was a surviving plesiosaur — a marine reptile that swam in the water and that's believed to have been extinct for 65 million years. But there's one big problem: We haven't found any plesiosaur bones in Loch Ness.
"We have an incredibly good fossil record of animals," Prothero says, "and never once has there been a plesiosaur bone found in the lake." Ever since the 1970s, scientists have dredged, scooped, and explored the floor of Loch Ness for bones. The flat floor of the lake would be ideal for finding bones, but no one has discovered them. Sonar scans of the lake have also failed to turn up Nessie fossils.
If Nessie did exist, it would appear to be the first and only of its kind. For a lot of reasons, that's unlikely.
3) Even if Nessie did exist, Loch Ness wouldn't be big enough to sustain it

A picturesque view of Loch Ness in 2014. (DEA/S. Vannini/Getty Images)
"This is something any biologist could tell you right away," Prothero says. "There's a wider range it would require."
If there were a Loch Ness Monster, there would need to be an entire population of the creatures so they could reproduce. But no one has ever produced any evidence that there's a herd of monsters — there aren't even wild rumors or hoaxes to this effect.
Even more important, Loch Ness is simply too small to sustain a plesiosaur or similarly sized creature. Researchers with the Loch Ness and Morar project say there are only about 22 tons of fish in the lake. That sounds like a lot, but for giant breeding plesiosaurs, it would be nowhere near enough. Loch Ness just isn't big enough or fertile enough for a monster this size.
4) Loch Ness is also too cold for a reptile to inhabit
"Plesiosaurs are tropical creatures"
There's another, bigger problem. Nessie is usually described as a reptile — like the plesiosaur. But Loch Ness simply isn't a suitable habitat for such a creature.
"The water is too cold for a reptile," Prothero says. "There are only a few species of reptiles that live in Scotland, and a cold-blooded animal can't live there unless it's adapted. Plesiosaurs are tropical creatures, which we know from their evolution and where fossils are found."
Of course, fans of Nessie might respond by saying the beast is actually warm-blooded, akin to the dolphins and seals spotted in the loch. But a gigantic warm-blooded, lizard-like creature that looked like Nessie is even more unlikely than a plesiosaur, since it would be different from anything we've encountered in the fossil record. And it's even more unlikely considering that the lake hasn't been around long enough for such a unique animal to evolve on its own.
5) Loch Ness was covered in ice until relatively recently

A snowy model of the Loch Ness Monster is an apt illustration of one of the ways the monster is debunked. (Glyn Kirk/ Stringer/Getty Images)
One of the most damning arguments against the Loch Ness Monster is that it would had to have moved into the Loch Ness relatively recently. That's because Loch Ness was completely covered in ice as recently as 18,000 years ago. "All the lakes were underneath at least a mile of ice," Prothero says. "There was no lake there — those lakes are young features, and there's no place for that animal to be if there's no lake."
Now, in theory, Nessie could have originated in the Atlantic Ocean and then moved into Loch Ness sometime in the past 20,000 years. But that raises another problem: There's not really a plausible path by which the monster could have done so.
"Loch Ness at least has a small link to the sea, but it's a trickle, and it's above sea level," Prothero says. And it used to be even tougher to get from the sea to the Loch. "When the ice was melting back, the sea level was even lower and the water would have been even colder."
That means Nessie would have had to swim against the current through extremely cold water to get to the lake, which is unlikely for a giant monster (reptile or mammal). Possible routes such as the River Ness are far too shallow for a sea monster to go back and forth. Finally, because Loch Ness is above sea level, even an underwater tunnel to the Loch would be difficult to traverse because of the differences in elevation.
For a sea monster, a journey like that is a tall order. For a gray seal, however, it's more likely (and that may be why people see them and possibly mistake them for Nessie).
Why did the Nessie myth catch on? Blame King Kong.

The sea monster in 1933's King Kong. (Ernest Bachrach/John Kobal Foundation/Getty Images)
Despite its total implausibility, however, the legend of Nessie persisted throughout the 20th century. And there are a few possible cultural explanations.
In the late 1800s and early 1900s, Loxton and Prothero point out, dinosaurs were becoming popular — thanks to everything from Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World to breathtaking exhibits in museums. So perhaps it's not surprising that people wanted to find a dinosaur-like creature in the lake.

"People are influenced by whatever the culture's talking about"
Then in 1933 the movie King Kong was released, showing prehistoric creatures run amok. Shortly after, we had the first modern Loch Ness Monster sighting. Loxton and Prothero make a convincing case that early testimonials were influenced by the imagery and mythology seen in the movie.
"People are influenced by whatever the culture's talking about," Prothero says. "If there's a big enough meme, and everybody sees it, whatever they do actually see is tempered in the light of their cultural expectations."
What's surprising, however, is that the myth still persists today. There may be economic reasons for that. The Loch Ness Monster draws a million people a year to the region, pulls in an estimated £25 million to the local economy, and remains an icon. The strange persistence of the Loch Ness myth isn't just a story about a creature — it's one about a culture that wants it to be real.

 

[Pantelić Nebojša]

 

[Pantelić Nebojša]

denarri - dinari.

 

[Дундурије]

https://rs.sputniknews.com/regioni/201808051116793925-Oluja-kviz-Hrvatska-Istorija-1995-RSK-srbi/ квиз о знању и познавању неких чињеница везано за агресију на РСК ... извор квиза је јасан, отуд и непостојање питања о улози и одговорности неких других страних и домаћих фактора у организацији и спровођењу плана о уништењу Срба и наше државе.

 

[Pantelić Nebojša]

Stop diktaturi i svim formama terora nad srbskim narodom (sadasnja vlast, migrantima, pljacki naroda od banki i vlasti, laznim podmetnutim zlocinima Srberenica prevara i prevara masakra albanskih civila...).

 

[Pumpaj Dinstanović]

 

[Pumpaj Dinstanović]

Ako zarađuje novac i brine o sebi (i drugima) onda samo može da bude ekscentričan; a ko je uopšte taj koji određuje koja je to centralna osovina?

A sad mi je jasno zašto je Mrkalju simpatičan.

 

[Smelomlat]

Može li neko da mi preporuči dobre naučne studije o Francuskoj revoluciji i Hanibalu Barki/Drugom punskom ratu, prevedene na naški?

 

[Nikita Kulganov]

 

[White Guar]

Размишљао сам да ли да покренем посебну тему али можда је боље да питам овде јер је тема опскурна. Читао сам мало о ткз. елитној млетачкој јединици, хрватској коњици (cavalleria croati) која је деловала у Далмацији у првој половини 18. века. У личној пратњи Луја Детрика од око 40-50 коњаника, иначе последњег припадника старе задарске племићке породице (помињу се још у 13. веку) - Детрић, били су и Далматинци, Албанци, Босанци и "они са апенинског полуострва". Пошто је документ хрватски, избегава се појам Србин, иако је очигледно било доста Срба у тим јединицама. Јединица је била смештена у Задру.
Моје питање би било уопштено о тој коњици. Како су бирани чланови, посебно тих "елитних" личних пратњи. Какву су опрему имали, како је изгледала њихова служба итд. Конкретна година је 1741. а попис јединице је те године рађен у Удинама у Италији. Двојица припадника те личне јединице, иначе браћа, су управо из Удина па ме интересује да ли је, можда, град Удине наведен као њихово порекло јер је тамо рађен попис (јер се очлигледно не ради о Италијанима иако имају италијанска имена, већ породици са ових простора).
Исту фамилију налазим и у личној јединици Бенедикта Пасквалија 1760-их и 1770-их, овог пута са нашим именима - Иван, Марко. За тог Пасквалија пише да је которски племић.
Дакле, било каква информација о датим јединицама је добродошла.

 

[Moljac64]

necu da ispadne da ja pricam price kraljevica marka ali sam cuo jedan podatak za koji nisam siguran da je ana frank bila kanibal. da li neko ima podatke o tom?. jako me zanima. unapred hvala.

 

[gost 391595]

Iz prve ruke - jeste.

 

[момоа]

Da, postoji prica da je pojela svoje roditelje u potkrovlju amsterdamskog stana, a na kraju i sebe samu. Doduse, izvor je nemackog porekla, ne znam koliko je autentican.