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Kerkyra:
Pa kod bolesnika je sve moguce pa i to, ali to ne bi trebalo da bude smer razvoja dogadjaja vec mir.

Ovo je jedna svetska agenda kao i korona, dogovorena, i na to najvise lici. Ratujemo da bi ratovali, drzali svet u krizi a usput i zaradili nesto, zato vise necemo da spominjemo koronu, ima drugih stvari kako plasiti covecanstvo i drzati ga u strahu.
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To jedino ima smisla u cijeloj ovoj lakrdiji.
 
Muad'Dib:
Ako želiš možeš da razmotriš sledeću mogućnost, mada vidim da si već na tom putu:

Rusima brza vojna pobeda uopšte nije u planovima, ničim nisu pokazali da idu ka tome. Dali su ono upozorenje u početku, a kada su propali Istambulski pregovori onda su promenili pristup. Ne zanima ih da vojno pobede Ukrajinu, tj Kijevski režim, idu na to da ih spuste na najniže ekonomske grane. Ne žele sukob sa NATOm, kao što ga ne želi ni SAD, ne žele obnavljanje ekonomskih odnosa sa EU, kao što za sada ne žele ni Evropljani.

Ratna dejstva se održavaju na tihoj vatri, sa minimalnim rizicima i gubicima, dok je poenta drugačija - da se Ukrajina ekonomski devastira, isprazni od ljudi, dok se istovremeno vrši politički, ekonomski i finansijski zaokret prema Istoku, formiraju jače veze sa ostatkom sveta i ubrzava stvaranje kontrateže Zapadnoj sili, uz svesrdnu pomoć svih osim SAD, EU, Australije i Japana. Ipak, sve te zemlje to rade polako i oprezno, da se ne zamere previše.

Dok se ovde ustašija raduje ulasku u napuštena sela, svet se nepovratno menja ispred njihovih očiju, a oni to ne vide.
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To od početka tvrdim
Rusi imaju daleko veći i obimniji plan od ukraine
To je razbijanje EU i šutiranje jenkija preko okeana pa neka se bave sami sa sobom ili neka ih Kolubo opet raži sledećih stotinak godina , dok se svet ne bude regenerisao od njihovie toksičnosti i svih zla što su počinili
Jenki će biti razvučeni na 3 fronta i uništeni Azija , Eu , bliski istok
Greška je suludo ovo što neko misli da rusima odgovara brz završetak rata
Sa naoružanjem kojje imaju rusi su mogli da preoru ukre za 7 dana i da cvile i mole za kapitulaciju
Ovo je šahovska partije na globalnom nvou BRIKS-a i NATO pakta
Ukri su samo kolateralna šteta i budale koje ništa nisu naučile iz istorije
 
snouden:
Moskva 1.4.2023

Ministar odbrane Rusije Sergej Šojgu naložio je juče komandantu ruske vojske u Ukrajini generalu Sergeju Surovikinu da započne povlačenje trupa iz Zaporoške NE.

Šojgu je rekao da su život i zdravlje ruskog vojnog osoblja uvek prioritet, te da se mora uzeti u obzir i opasnost po civilno stanovništvo, prenela je RIA Novosti.
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Bilo bi urnebesno da je tačno
 
Kerkyra:
Pa kod bolesnika je sve moguce pa i to, ali to ne bi trebalo da bude smer razvoja dogadjaja vec mir.

Ovo je jedna svetska agenda kao i korona, dogovorena, i na to najvise lici. Ratujemo da bi ratovali, drzali svet u krizi a usput i zaradili nesto, zato vise necemo da spominjemo koronu, ima drugih stvari kako plasiti covecanstvo i drzati ga u strahu.
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Bio bi mir već u lipnju da Briti nisu zahtjevali od Ukrajine odustanak od pregovora.

Dogovor o pregovorima​


KIJEV​


Macron, Scholz, Draghi i Iohannis susreli se s Zelenskim u Kijevu​


16.06.2022 17:57 | Autor: Hina

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I zabrana pregovaranja​


VIDEO Johnson se ukazao u Kijevu, Scholz kani razgovarati s Putinom, ruski predsjednik odaslao važnu poruku​


Piše Dnevnik.hr / Hina , 17. lipnja. 2022. @ 22:39
 
snouden:
z nastavku ti stoji ovaj tekst:

it is said RF fell back to that line today (+- some KM) so far - retreating is going on - no clashes reported - so it looks like a deal between RF and Kiev
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Dogovori, ko kod nas kad se iza ledja dogovaralo sa neprijateljem?
Ljepo, ljepo..

Ukri su mi skroz odrvatni sa ljudske strane i ne predstavljaju nista dobro dok su mi se i Rusi skroz zgadili zbog gluposti i nesposobnosti.

Izgleda dva lica istog novcica. Onog Sorosevog.
 
Pitanje za Ukre i exYU Ukropistanlije - da li mislite da je skučajno krenulo baš kad je Sleepy Joe izgubio mogućnost da njegovi izglasavaju pare za (i “za”) Ukropistan bez ikakvih problema? :D

Biden admin nudge led Ukraine to drop Putin condition for peace talks​

Zelenskyy changed course on Monday, ditching the demand for Putin’s ouster before peace talks.​

The hope is it would reinforce to the world that it’s Ukraine, not Russia, that wants to resolve the conflict. “That doesn’t mean they need to go to the negotiating table right now. We don’t even think right now is the right time based on what Russia is doing,” the official continued. “But they must show a willingness to resolve the conflict because no one wants this conflict to end more than Ukraine.” The individuals were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive and private conversations.

Democrats and Republicans have in recent weeks put pressure on Biden’s team to push for a diplomatic resolution to the war. U.S. officials have since confirmed that they’ve been in touch with their Ukrainian and Russian counterparts to deescalate tensions and avoid miscalculations, though there’s no imminent campaign to get the warring parties talking.

Zelenskyy hopes to have continued bipartisan support after U.S. midterms
Zelenskyy announced his new stance just before congressional elections in the U.S. in which Republicans are expected to recapture at least one chamber — potentially endangering further financial and military support for Ukraine.

Representatives for Ukraine’s government didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. The National Security Council declined to comment for this story, but pointed to Sullivan’s remarks while in Kyiv last week. “The conversation that we need to have with the international community in support of Ukraine is, what are the terms of a just and lasting peace for Ukraine? … That’s what we are intent on driving towards, that’s what we would support, and that’s what we believe our collective efforts can help achieve,” Sullivan said during his visit.


William Taylor, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, argued that Ukraine’s five conditions are reasonable since they adhere to international law and make Russia pay for its transgressions. He also said Zelenskyy seems sincere in his offer for peace talks as long as Putin is serious.

“We’ve seen President Putin bend to reality,” Taylor said, noting that Russia left and rejoined a grain-shipping deal and tamped down nuclear threats. However, real negotiations probably wouldn’t happen until Moscow “takes some more military defeats.”

Watch Russia’s recent escalation in Ukraine
Kurt Volker, special representative for Ukraine in the Trump administration, argues the U.S. shouldn’t publicly push Kyiv toward the negotiating table — at least not now.

“Clearly Putin has no intention of negotiating seriously or accepting these conditions. Putin is determined to continue fighting and targeting Ukrainian cities. Ukraine needs to be decisively winning on the ground, retaking its territory — and the U.S. should be trying to help the Ukrainians do that as quickly as possible,” he said.

The Washington Post first reported that the Biden administration wanted Kyiv to drop the Putin-out-of-power condition.
 
Marin83:
Ruska bijeda bježi iz Hersona cijeli dan, a prije mjesec dana pripoji to područje Rusiji...sva neozbiljnost i nesposobnost ruske politike se ovde vidi.
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Kone crno bežanje, gde su tvoji Ukropistanci da ih gone?

Biden admin nudge led Ukraine to drop Putin condition for peace talks​

Zelenskyy changed course on Monday, ditching the demand for Putin’s ouster before peace talks.​

The hope is it would reinforce to the world that it’s Ukraine, not Russia, that wants to resolve the conflict. “That doesn’t mean they need to go to the negotiating table right now. We don’t even think right now is the right time based on what Russia is doing,” the official continued. “But they must show a willingness to resolve the conflict because no one wants this conflict to end more than Ukraine.” The individuals were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive and private conversations.

Democrats and Republicans have in recent weeks put pressure on Biden’s team to push for a diplomatic resolution to the war. U.S. officials have since confirmed that they’ve been in touch with their Ukrainian and Russian counterparts to deescalate tensions and avoid miscalculations, though there’s no imminent campaign to get the warring parties talking.

Zelenskyy hopes to have continued bipartisan support after U.S. midterms
Zelenskyy announced his new stance just before congressional elections in the U.S. in which Republicans are expected to recapture at least one chamber — potentially endangering further financial and military support for Ukraine.

Representatives for Ukraine’s government didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. The National Security Council declined to comment for this story, but pointed to Sullivan’s remarks while in Kyiv last week. “The conversation that we need to have with the international community in support of Ukraine is, what are the terms of a just and lasting peace for Ukraine? … That’s what we are intent on driving towards, that’s what we would support, and that’s what we believe our collective efforts can help achieve,” Sullivan said during his visit.


William Taylor, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, argued that Ukraine’s five conditions are reasonable since they adhere to international law and make Russia pay for its transgressions. He also said Zelenskyy seems sincere in his offer for peace talks as long as Putin is serious.

“We’ve seen President Putin bend to reality,” Taylor said, noting that Russia left and rejoined a grain-shipping deal and tamped down nuclear threats. However, real negotiations probably wouldn’t happen until Moscow “takes some more military defeats.”

Watch Russia’s recent escalation in Ukraine
Kurt Volker, special representative for Ukraine in the Trump administration, argues the U.S. shouldn’t publicly push Kyiv toward the negotiating table — at least not now.

“Clearly Putin has no intention of negotiating seriously or accepting these conditions. Putin is determined to continue fighting and targeting Ukrainian cities. Ukraine needs to be decisively winning on the ground, retaking its territory — and the U.S. should be trying to help the Ukrainians do that as quickly as possible,” he said.

The Washington Post first reported that the Biden administration wanted Kyiv to drop the Putin-out-of-power condition.
 
Casual Observer:
Pitanje za Ukre i exYU Ukropistanlije - da li mislite da je skučajno krenulo baš kad je Sleepy Joe izgubio mogućnost da njegovi izglasavaju pare za (i “za”) Ukropistan bez ikakvih problema? :D

Biden admin nudge led Ukraine to drop Putin condition for peace talks​

Zelenskyy changed course on Monday, ditching the demand for Putin’s ouster before peace talks.​

The hope is it would reinforce to the world that it’s Ukraine, not Russia, that wants to resolve the conflict. “That doesn’t mean they need to go to the negotiating table right now. We don’t even think right now is the right time based on what Russia is doing,” the official continued. “But they must show a willingness to resolve the conflict because no one wants this conflict to end more than Ukraine.” The individuals were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive and private conversations.

Democrats and Republicans have in recent weeks put pressure on Biden’s team to push for a diplomatic resolution to the war. U.S. officials have since confirmed that they’ve been in touch with their Ukrainian and Russian counterparts to deescalate tensions and avoid miscalculations, though there’s no imminent campaign to get the warring parties talking.

Zelenskyy hopes to have continued bipartisan support after U.S. midterms
Zelenskyy announced his new stance just before congressional elections in the U.S. in which Republicans are expected to recapture at least one chamber — potentially endangering further financial and military support for Ukraine.

Representatives for Ukraine’s government didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. The National Security Council declined to comment for this story, but pointed to Sullivan’s remarks while in Kyiv last week. “The conversation that we need to have with the international community in support of Ukraine is, what are the terms of a just and lasting peace for Ukraine? … That’s what we are intent on driving towards, that’s what we would support, and that’s what we believe our collective efforts can help achieve,” Sullivan said during his visit.


William Taylor, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, argued that Ukraine’s five conditions are reasonable since they adhere to international law and make Russia pay for its transgressions. He also said Zelenskyy seems sincere in his offer for peace talks as long as Putin is serious.

“We’ve seen President Putin bend to reality,” Taylor said, noting that Russia left and rejoined a grain-shipping deal and tamped down nuclear threats. However, real negotiations probably wouldn’t happen until Moscow “takes some more military defeats.”

Watch Russia’s recent escalation in Ukraine
Kurt Volker, special representative for Ukraine in the Trump administration, argues the U.S. shouldn’t publicly push Kyiv toward the negotiating table — at least not now.

“Clearly Putin has no intention of negotiating seriously or accepting these conditions. Putin is determined to continue fighting and targeting Ukrainian cities. Ukraine needs to be decisively winning on the ground, retaking its territory — and the U.S. should be trying to help the Ukrainians do that as quickly as possible,” he said.

The Washington Post first reported that the Biden administration wanted Kyiv to drop the Putin-out-of-power condition.
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