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U toj hijerarhiji interesa, šta misliš: kako se kotira pitanje tampon zone koju Izrael traži? Ja mislim da se kotira solidno.
Sličnu tampon zonu su Rusi odobrili Turcima u severnoj Siriji radi razdvajanja kurdskih kantona prošle godine
I štaviše, to se isplatilo. Kako?
a) Turci su povukli svoje iz Alepa. Na taj način dali su vrlo značaj doprinos pobedi u Alepu, koja je prekretnica ovog rata.
b) Turci su zauzeli teritorije koje SAA niti je mogla niti je planirala da uzme u doglednom periodu
c) Turci su istrpeli i gubitke. Sramotne, rekao bih.
d) Pad Al-Baba omogućio je SAA da izađe u susret SDF u Manbidžu, zauzme Deir Hafir i Maskana doline, i da izađe na Eufrat nizvodno od Rake i izvede onu značajnu operaciju izoolvoanaj ISISa u istočnoj Hami, operaciju koja je bila preduslov deblokade Deir Ezzora
e) Kurdima je poslata poruka vrlo jasna, vrlo slikovita, vrlo preteća. Pokazano im je šta će se dogoditi, ako ponove gluposti iz Hasake. Plus su naterani da od Rusa i SAA traže pomoć i zaštitu za Manbidž i Afrin (zaštitu koju SAD nije želela da im pruži)
f) Turci su kooptirani u nekakvu saradnju sa Rusijom i IRanom po pitanju Sirije
Ja u tom smislu posmatram i izlaženje u susret izraelskom predlogu za tampon zonu. Ta tampon zona bi rešila pitanje Južnog Fronta.
Rešavanje pitanja Južnog Fronta odgovara kome?
Rusiji, ali i Damasku.
To što takvo rešavanje ne odgovara Irancima i Hezbolahu... Pa, jbg, redosled ispunjavanja interesa je onakav kao sa listeIran treba da sve petama u doope udara što će uopšte dobiti priliku da ostvari kopnenu vezu sa Sirijom, nešto što je u 2015. godine izgledalo kao naučna fantastika
Не знам. Прво, Руси су изгледа одбили да се ангажују, било зато што им није у интересу, било зато што је заузимање будућих бусија спрам Израела један од главних разлога за ирански ангажман и не би их било ласно натерати да попусте. Чак и када би могли да их натерају муле да попусте, могуће је да Москва зна да би отварање овог питања сада угрозило даљи ток рата који из њихове перспективе иде доста задовољавајуће.
Друго, та тампон зона све до пута Дамаск-где већ је из израелске перспективе оперативно питање, не стратешко решење. Црвене линије су другде. Стратешко решење је из њиховог угла минимално присуство и минимална могућност стратешких пројекција Ирана не на границама Голана већ вероватно све до Еуфрата или још боље персијског залива. Према томе, ова тампон зона, коју нису добили, опет не би решила стратешко питање присуства Персије западно од Шат-ал-Араба.
А истерати Иранце преговорима хиљаду километара на исток... па, као што је рекао господин Гандалф, "This is much to demand for the delivery of one servant: that your Master should receive in exchange what he must else fight many a war to gain."
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Mislim da je trenutno daj-šta-daš.
A dugoročno, Izraelu se više isplati investiranje u zbacivanje iranskih mula i posledično unormaljivanje Irana i pretvaranje u saveznika, kao što je i bio pre "revolucije" (tj devolucije, bolje reći)
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Kom , baza mula u Iranu je jedno od najjacih uporiste MI 6 , posle centrale im u Londonu ...... Rusi to odlicno znaju .....
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Мало претераше, али их вероватно добро равнају
#Syria SOHR: 500 airstrikes by #Russia & #Assad-regime on #Idlib & #Hama the past 48h
N. #Hama: huge airstrikes carried out on #Lataminah by a #Russia|n warplane.
S. #Idlib: #RuAF Su-25 intensively bombing Khan Sheikhoun.
#Syria SOHR: 500 airstrikes by #Russia & #Assad-regime on #Idlib & #Hama the past 48h
N. #Hama: huge airstrikes carried out on #Lataminah by a #Russia|n warplane.
S. #Idlib: #RuAF Su-25 intensively bombing Khan Sheikhoun.
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Video dejstva Ruskog specnaza juce u Hami ( pogresno je potpisan naslov ) ......
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#Raqqa Operation from 6th June until 21th September 2017.
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Cluster munitions used on Qalaat al Mudiq
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Израел и Иран не могу бити савезници, јер пуцају на то да буду господари на истом простору.
Иран може у том случају само да буде слуга Израела, као што је Русија била слуга САД-а 90-их.
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Svi znamo i pisemo da je Rusija odbila Hatanjahuove predloge ( iz razumljivih razloga ) , a niko da napise da ih je odbila i amerika .....
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Onaj natovareni kamion od juce je bio vrlo upečatljiva slika statusa Nusrine ofanzive
Kao i snimci kuknjave i leleka za rušenjem "vrtica", "pekara", "poslednjih bolnica", "azila za pse" i slične infrastrukture unutar (avaj!) zone deeskalacije, a koji su krenuli kad je ofanziva počela da baguje, a krenuo odgovor kako po liniji fronta, tako i po dubini
ČIm krene tviter lelek, znam da su džihadisti poćeli da dobijaju po vdžajni, žestoko.
Ја си мислим о ономе што је колега прије рек`о: Део умерених се придружио у одбрани руске војне полиције.
Моджа су били довољно паметни, или им ради Павлов рефлекс (у вези Руса), па су знали да ће им тамо бити далеееко безбедније, него на другој страни фронта.
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Izrael brine o svojoj bezbednosti , u stvari, o svom opstanku. Uopšte nema ambicija da bude gospodar u ovom delu sveta. I nikada nije pretio potpunim uništenjem druge nacije kao Iran.
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Кривуља ти даје очигледан одговор.
Иран је био независнији под шахом.
Иран је диктирао коме ће по коју цену продавати нафту.
Истовремено се демократизовао, осавремењивао, богатио.
И, неко коме је све то сметало, направио државни преврат, довео Хомеинија из Француске.
После су инвеститори побегли у Турску. И, Турска заузела место Ирана.
Кривуља даље казује да БДП се није повратила на висине пре преврата.
Разлог томе је можда и виши наталитет после `исламске револуције`, који `једе` просек.
На, крају, кривуља ми није најјаснија.
Ирану су отворене врате, а у њему су почели да хрле инвеститори... а БДП почео опет да опада.
Све у свему, постојање иранске теократије и економски и дипломатски иде на руку душманима Ирана, одн. све у корист своје штете.
Као да су муле намерно постављене да буду какви су.
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Breaking: Agreement reached between the SAA & Da'esh in Hama. Da'esh will be transported from central Syria to Deir Ezzor
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‘US Secret Services' Tried to Nab 29 Russian Troops in Syria ... and Got Their Butts Kicked - Russian Military
It’s a real war out there … and Russians and Americans are practically in combat
Now this is something you won't see on NBC nightly news.
The Russian military spokesman in this briefing, General Sergei Rudskoi, in a matter-of-fact deadpan, explains that 'US Secret Services’, and their Al Qaeda proxies, had a very, very bad day yesterday.
Americans love bombing small, defenseless countries into the stone age, it’s part of their culture like baseball, apple pie, and morbid obesity. One of the things they never do, however, is pick on a country that can fight back.
Well this time they messed with the Russian Bear himself and like Napoleon and Hitler before them, reality ensued.
Yesterday, according to General Rudskoi, an army of “moderate” decapitators, directed by their 'US Secret Service’ handlers, double-crossing the Russians by violating a ceasefire agreement, launched an attack with tanks and artillery on the Syrian Government north of Hama in the de-escalation zone, in an attempt to halt the Syrian Army’s successful advance.
A key part of the plan was to capture 29 Russian soldiers, which would have been a major embarrassment for Russia.
Here’s where the story gets gripping.
The 29 Russians were trapped for several hours by the militants, engaged in a heavy fire-fight for their very survival.
Finally, a Spetsnaz (Russian Special Operations) unit, partially composed of 'military natives of the North Caucusus' (these are probably Chechens, the fiercest soliders Russia has), broke through the terrorist line.
Then, like lightning over the skies of Syria, Russian Sukhoi jets conducted pinpoint strikes against the opposition force, which was subsequently bombarded with an artillery salvo, providing cover for the Russian rescue squad.
They successfully reached their comrades, and though three operators were injured, Russia suffered no casualties.
AL-Qaeda and the US ‘Secret Services’ however, had a very, very, bad day.
“187 objects, about 850 TERRORISTS, 11 TANKS, four armoured vehicles, 46 PICKUPS, five mortars, 20 TRUCKS and 38 WEAPONS WAREHOUSES were destroyed in a 24-hours period by the Russian counterattack.”
The Russian General’s closing comment, delivered in matter-of-fact monotone was classic:
“The operation to destroy the terrorists will be continued.”
Here's the full transcript of the General's remarks: (Key parts in bold)
A large-scale offensive on the positions of Syrian Government troops in the Idlib de-escalation zone, which breached a ceasefire agreement, was “initiated by the American secret services to stop the successful advance of the [Syrian] government troops to the east of Deir ez-Zor,”
Head of the Main Operational Department of Russian General Staff Sergei Rudskoi said in a briefing in Moscow, Wednesday.
Sergei Rudskoi, Head of Main Operational Department of Russian General Staff (Russian):
“Despite the agreements signed on 15th November in Astana, Jabhat Al-Nusra militants joined by groups unwilling to comply with the terms of the ceasefire, at 8.00am [local time] (06:00am GMT) on September 19 launched a large-scale offensive on the positions of government troops to the north and northeast of Hama in the Idlib de-escalation zone.
The attack was carried out with the support of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, it was preceded by an artillery barrage.
During the day, the militants managed to penetrate 12 kilometres [7.5 miles] through the government troops’ defence line and at the front up to 20 kilometres [12.4 miles].
According to current information, the attack was initiated by the American secret services to stop the successful advance of the [Syrian] government troops to the east of Deir ez-Zor.
One of the main goals of the militants’ actions was an attempt to capture units of the Russian military police, amounting to 29 service personnel carrying out tasks at an observation point deployed in the area to control the de-escalation forces.
In the militants’ attack, a (Russian) military police platoon of 29 people was trapped and for several hours repelled the attacks of the enemy shoulder to shoulder with the Mwali tribe, which signed the agreement on joining the cessation of hostilities and remained true to it in this difficult situation.
In these extreme conditions the commander of the Russian forces in Syria, General-Colonel Surovkin, formed a rescue group.
It was composed of units of special operations forces, military police, joined by the military-natives of the North Caucasus (i.e - Chechens) and the Syrian Special Forces.
The squad was headed by Deputy Head of the Russian Center for Reconciliation of the Warring Parties and Hero of Russia, Major General Victor Shuliak.
Aviation conducted strikes on the terrorists’ positions. The actions of the rescue squad were constantly supported by a pair of Sukhoi Su-25s, striking at militants and armored vehicle militants from extremely low altitudes.
As a result, the encirclement was broken and units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, without a loss, reached the area controlled by the [Syrian] government troops. During the operation, three soldiers of the Special Operations Forces were injured. All participants of this unique operation were presented with state awards.
A terrorist attack was stopped and they suffered heavy losses due to the measures taken by the Russian command together with the General Staff of Syria.
Air and artillery strikes destroyed 187 objects, about 850 terrorists, 11 tanks, four armoured vehicles, 46 pickups, five mortars, 20 trucks and 38 weapons warehouses were destroyed in a 24-hours period.
Using the results of the fire support, units of the fifth volunteer assault corps, together with squads of government troops with the support of Russian aircraft, counterattacked and currently almost completely regained the ground lost.
The operation to destroy the terrorists will be continued.”
http://russia-insider.com/en/milita...oops-syria-and-got-their-butts-kicked-russian
It’s a real war out there … and Russians and Americans are practically in combat
Now this is something you won't see on NBC nightly news.
The Russian military spokesman in this briefing, General Sergei Rudskoi, in a matter-of-fact deadpan, explains that 'US Secret Services’, and their Al Qaeda proxies, had a very, very bad day yesterday.
Americans love bombing small, defenseless countries into the stone age, it’s part of their culture like baseball, apple pie, and morbid obesity. One of the things they never do, however, is pick on a country that can fight back.
Well this time they messed with the Russian Bear himself and like Napoleon and Hitler before them, reality ensued.
Yesterday, according to General Rudskoi, an army of “moderate” decapitators, directed by their 'US Secret Service’ handlers, double-crossing the Russians by violating a ceasefire agreement, launched an attack with tanks and artillery on the Syrian Government north of Hama in the de-escalation zone, in an attempt to halt the Syrian Army’s successful advance.
A key part of the plan was to capture 29 Russian soldiers, which would have been a major embarrassment for Russia.
Here’s where the story gets gripping.
The 29 Russians were trapped for several hours by the militants, engaged in a heavy fire-fight for their very survival.
Finally, a Spetsnaz (Russian Special Operations) unit, partially composed of 'military natives of the North Caucusus' (these are probably Chechens, the fiercest soliders Russia has), broke through the terrorist line.
Then, like lightning over the skies of Syria, Russian Sukhoi jets conducted pinpoint strikes against the opposition force, which was subsequently bombarded with an artillery salvo, providing cover for the Russian rescue squad.
They successfully reached their comrades, and though three operators were injured, Russia suffered no casualties.
AL-Qaeda and the US ‘Secret Services’ however, had a very, very, bad day.
“187 objects, about 850 TERRORISTS, 11 TANKS, four armoured vehicles, 46 PICKUPS, five mortars, 20 TRUCKS and 38 WEAPONS WAREHOUSES were destroyed in a 24-hours period by the Russian counterattack.”
The Russian General’s closing comment, delivered in matter-of-fact monotone was classic:
“The operation to destroy the terrorists will be continued.”
Here's the full transcript of the General's remarks: (Key parts in bold)
A large-scale offensive on the positions of Syrian Government troops in the Idlib de-escalation zone, which breached a ceasefire agreement, was “initiated by the American secret services to stop the successful advance of the [Syrian] government troops to the east of Deir ez-Zor,”
Head of the Main Operational Department of Russian General Staff Sergei Rudskoi said in a briefing in Moscow, Wednesday.
Sergei Rudskoi, Head of Main Operational Department of Russian General Staff (Russian):
“Despite the agreements signed on 15th November in Astana, Jabhat Al-Nusra militants joined by groups unwilling to comply with the terms of the ceasefire, at 8.00am [local time] (06:00am GMT) on September 19 launched a large-scale offensive on the positions of government troops to the north and northeast of Hama in the Idlib de-escalation zone.
The attack was carried out with the support of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, it was preceded by an artillery barrage.
During the day, the militants managed to penetrate 12 kilometres [7.5 miles] through the government troops’ defence line and at the front up to 20 kilometres [12.4 miles].
According to current information, the attack was initiated by the American secret services to stop the successful advance of the [Syrian] government troops to the east of Deir ez-Zor.
One of the main goals of the militants’ actions was an attempt to capture units of the Russian military police, amounting to 29 service personnel carrying out tasks at an observation point deployed in the area to control the de-escalation forces.
In the militants’ attack, a (Russian) military police platoon of 29 people was trapped and for several hours repelled the attacks of the enemy shoulder to shoulder with the Mwali tribe, which signed the agreement on joining the cessation of hostilities and remained true to it in this difficult situation.
In these extreme conditions the commander of the Russian forces in Syria, General-Colonel Surovkin, formed a rescue group.
It was composed of units of special operations forces, military police, joined by the military-natives of the North Caucasus (i.e - Chechens) and the Syrian Special Forces.
The squad was headed by Deputy Head of the Russian Center for Reconciliation of the Warring Parties and Hero of Russia, Major General Victor Shuliak.
Aviation conducted strikes on the terrorists’ positions. The actions of the rescue squad were constantly supported by a pair of Sukhoi Su-25s, striking at militants and armored vehicle militants from extremely low altitudes.
As a result, the encirclement was broken and units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, without a loss, reached the area controlled by the [Syrian] government troops. During the operation, three soldiers of the Special Operations Forces were injured. All participants of this unique operation were presented with state awards.
A terrorist attack was stopped and they suffered heavy losses due to the measures taken by the Russian command together with the General Staff of Syria.
Air and artillery strikes destroyed 187 objects, about 850 terrorists, 11 tanks, four armoured vehicles, 46 pickups, five mortars, 20 trucks and 38 weapons warehouses were destroyed in a 24-hours period.
Using the results of the fire support, units of the fifth volunteer assault corps, together with squads of government troops with the support of Russian aircraft, counterattacked and currently almost completely regained the ground lost.
The operation to destroy the terrorists will be continued.”
http://russia-insider.com/en/milita...oops-syria-and-got-their-butts-kicked-russian
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Moguća je i ofanziva SAA na severu Hame s ciljem zauzimanja Moreka
Syrian Army preparing to launch an offensive in northern Hama. Morek is the target
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North Hama Jihadists admit losing more than 300 fighters in a failed Hama offensive, 51 of them Turkistanis and the result: No gains at all! https://t.co/VeSUEWrY9I
Syrian Army preparing to launch an offensive in northern Hama. Morek is the target
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North Hama Jihadists admit losing more than 300 fighters in a failed Hama offensive, 51 of them Turkistanis and the result: No gains at all! https://t.co/VeSUEWrY9I
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Znači Amerikanci i SDF su razorili Raku? Ma nije moguće!!! Ja sam mislio da je razaranje gradova isključiva specijalnost SAA i Rusa!?
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Jaooo, pa potpuno si neupucen! Kad Ameri&co razvale neki grad u paramparcad oni to rade njezno, tako da nijedno dete, poslasticarnica ili pas/macka lutalica ne budu povredjeni ili unisteni.
Ali Rusi i SAA kad bombarduju, to rade isljucivo hemijskim oruzjem (mada nikom nije jasno zasto, tj. sta time dobiju) po objektima gde se grupisu deca i nejac, male kuce i mace i gde se pripremaju slatkisi za iste.
Eto, sad znas.
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Ah, da, i iz nekog razloga Rusi su ugrozili Morgana Frimena. Ne zna se zasto.
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Hladno bilo onomad u Rusiji, narod morao da nosi puno tople odeće, što je povećalo potražnju za pamukom i njegovim proizvodima. Posledično, neki predak Morgana Frimena dobio kartu u jednom pravcu za sunčana polja Luizijane...
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Пробој из окружења у Идлибу: специјални сарадник "Вести" је сазнао, како је то било.
muraselon.com 21.09.2017
Syrian Army foils ISIS counter-attack in northern Deir Ezzor
muraselon.com 21.09.2017
Syrian Army foils ISIS counter-attack in northern Deir Ezzor
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