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Friday, November 04, 2005


Intifada in France


The northern industrial suburbs of Paris suffered the worst of eight consecutive nights of rioting on November 3-4. Disorder has now spread to dozens of provincial towns, including Dijon, the first city outside Ile-de-France (the metropolitan region) to be affected by unrest. Hundreds of cars, as well as schools, stores, and warehouses have been torched or ransacked. A disabled French woman, unable to escape from a bus set alight by the rioters in Sevran (Dept. Seine-Saint-Denis), was badly burned. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy noted “a great coordination” among rioters, hinting that the unrest was far from spontaneous.

The rioters are mainly young, French-born North African males. Last week in the Parisian banlieu of Clichy-sous-Bois—a concrete and steel high-rise monstrosity that is now over 80 percent Muslim—they rose in anger when two teenagers were accidentally electrocuted while hiding from the police in a fenced-off area housing a high-voltage pylon. Shouting “Allahu akbar!” groups of youths armed with clubs and sticks went on a rampage forcing the regular police to retreat. When the riot police came in force to reclaim the area, the protests became focused on the demand that the French police get out of the “occupied territories.” The trouble would be ended, various Muslim “community leaders” claimed, if the French authorities accepted that there were de facto no-go areas within the country which should be self-administered. “All we demand is to be left alone,” said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local “emirs” engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.

The demand is not new and it will be made with increasing frequency in the years to come. Many Muslims in France and elsewhere in Europe already consider themselves de facto autonomous, a community justifiably opposed to the broader society of infidels and centered on mosques and Islamic centers. The emergence of a huge diaspora of the faithful away from the heartland is seen by pious Muslims as an event archetypically linked to conquest. The demand for the predominantly Muslim areas to be granted communal self-rule will inevitably lead to the clamoring for the sharia law in a segregated Muslim France.

Assimilation is no longer a viable option in France, the country that used to pride itself on its ability to turn foreigners into Frenchmen. That was possible with the Italians, Spaniards, Poles and Russians becauyse they were culturally assimilable and because they came in tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands even (e.g., the non-French Pieds-Noirs), but not in the millions. The Muslims now account for ten percent of France’s population and for more than one-fifth of all newborns. They live in compact communities in which it is no longer possible to buy wine in a local store or to see Amelie in a cinema. Their leaders regard their faith and culture as superior to that of the host society. Those who have doubts wisely keep quiet.

Young Muslim men direct particular violence against Muslim women who try to follow French ways. Many French-born Arab girls in the ghettos resort to wearing hijab as the only protection against face-slashings and gang rapes. Not having one makes a girl fair game for both. (A knife slash across the cheek from the lip to the ear is common, and known as a “smile.”) Samira Bellil, a third-generation woman of Algerian origin, has written a book about the hell of the suburban ghettos. She was was gang raped by three people she knew, but could not say anything because her family would be dishonored. She recalls the case of a girl who was raped in a school: “Of course, everybody knew, but they’re so afraid of these young men that they prefer to close their eyes. That’s the price of peace in the ghettos.”

This reality is light years away from the desire of Gilles Kepel, President Jacques Chirac’s advisor on Islamic affairs, to create “an Andalusia” of multi-denominational tolerance in France. As French commentator Yves Charles Zarka, director of Cités, has warned, even that price cannot maintain the semblance of peace for long because the roots of “ideological Islamism” are deep and enduring among the young rioters. France is experiencing “a central phase of the more general and mutually conflicting encounter between the West and Islam, which only someone completely blind or of radical bad faith, or possibly of disconcerting naiveté, could fail to recognize.” Outside the ghettos the price of a wider societal “peace” is a complex web of lies and half-truths by which the elite class has sought to conceal the truth about what it has done to the French nation.

The real cause of the French intifada is the enormous growth, dysfunctionality, and arrogant self-confidence of the Muslim immigrant community within France, coupled with the cultural enfeeblement and demographic decline of the French nation. The mix is dangerous. Its result has been stated with haughty arrogance by Tariq Ramadan, professor of Islamic studies at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland and a grandson of Hasan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. Ramadan proposes through his teachings and writings that Muslims in the West should conduct themselves not as hyphenated citizens seeking to live by “common values” but as though they were already living in a Muslim-majority society and were exempt on that account from having to make concessions to the faith of others. Muslims in non-Muslim countries should feel themselves entitled to live on their own terms—while, under the terms of Western liberal tolerance, society as a whole should feel obliged to respect that choice.

That “liberal tolerance” and the accompanying “societal obligation,” is the true enemy. “No other race subscribes to these moral principles… because they are weapons of self-annihilation.” They need to be understood for what they are, and discarded, if France is to survive.
 
Izgredi nisu ograniceni na Francusku, provokacije pocele i u drugim drzavama EU... Ovde bi nas trebalo da pitaju za terapiju. Ne znam za gradjane Evrope, ali Ameri drasticno menjaju misljenje o nama. Na cijem god vencanju kad kazem da sam poreklom iz Srbije, pocinju sa odom Srbima, tipa kako smo ih spasavali u Drugom, kako se njihova politika ogresila o Srbe, kako im ova desavanja u Iraku i Septembar otvorise oci, sad shvataju da su Srbi izmanipulisani... A sve obican svet, lekari, piloti, profesori...Kad bi se i kurs njihove politike drasticno promenio, ja bih se pocela zahvaljivati Arapima.
 
migud:
Izgredi nisu ograniceni na Francusku, provokacije pocele i u drugim drzavama EU... Ovde bi nas trebalo da pitaju za terapiju. Ne znam za gradjane Evrope, ali Ameri drasticno menjaju misljenje o nama. Na cijem god vencanju kad kazem da sam poreklom iz Srbije, pocinju sa odom Srbima, tipa kako smo ih spasavali u Drugom, kako se njihova politika ogresila o Srbe, kako im ova desavanja u Iraku i Septembar otvorise oci, sad shvataju da su Srbi izmanipulisani... A sve obican svet, lekari, piloti, profesori...Kad bi se i kurs njihove politike drasticno promenio, ja bih se pocela zahvaljivati Arapima.

Pa migud, intelektualci iz USA nisu bas uvek nasedali na Hanzel and Gretel sto im je servirao Ramsfeld i ekipa oko njega. U New Yorku se jako malo intelektualaca napalilo na njihovu konstrukciju. Naravno ti znas da oni ne cine gro birackog tela Amerike i da debeloguzih svinja sa pola grama mozga ima od istoka do zapada koliko zelis. Ali to je tako...covek nista ne veruje kad mu drugi pricaju, vec sve mora da oseti na svojoj kozi i sve dok se ne uvuce smrti u bulju i ne oseti matericu straha nece verovati....ovo sam negde cuo, gde to bese....hmmm :lol:
 
migud:
Izgredi nisu ograniceni na Francusku, provokacije pocele i u drugim drzavama EU... Ovde bi nas trebalo da pitaju za terapiju. Ne znam za gradjane Evrope, ali Ameri drasticno menjaju misljenje o nama. Na cijem god vencanju kad kazem da sam poreklom iz Srbije, pocinju sa odom Srbima, tipa kako smo ih spasavali u Drugom, kako se njihova politika ogresila o Srbe, kako im ova desavanja u Iraku i Septembar otvorise oci, sad shvataju da su Srbi izmanipulisani... A sve obican svet, lekari, piloti, profesori...Kad bi se i kurs njihove politike drasticno promenio, ja bih se pocela zahvaljivati Arapima.

Samo ja i dalje ne zaboravljam ko nas je bombardovao i takođe
dobro pamtim da su Grci, Italijani i Makedonci i naravno Srbi u
RS, bili gotovo jedini koji su protestvovali zbog agresije... I ti i tamo
još poneki značajan intelektualac kao Harold Pinter i Peter Handke.
 
Strela:
Samo ja i dalje ne zaboravljam ko nas je bombardovao i takođe
dobro pamtim da su Grci, Italijani i Makedonci i naravno Srbi u
RS, bili gotovo jedini koji su protestvovali zbog agresije... I ti i tamo
još poneki značajan intelektualac kao Harold Pinter i Peter Handke.
Pa bilo je protesta i to ne zanemarljivih po celoj Evropi/svetu, zar ne? Samo, to je običan i realan narod koji može samo da mirno protestuje u nadi da će neko dovoljno uticajan učiniti nešto. Slaba uteha, ali daje nadu.
 
migud:
Izgredi nisu ograniceni na Francusku, provokacije pocele i u drugim drzavama EU... Ovde bi nas trebalo da pitaju za terapiju. Ne znam za gradjane Evrope, ali Ameri drasticno menjaju misljenje o nama. Na cijem god vencanju kad kazem da sam poreklom iz Srbije, pocinju sa odom Srbima, tipa kako smo ih spasavali u Drugom, kako se njihova politika ogresila o Srbe, kako im ova desavanja u Iraku i Septembar otvorise oci, sad shvataju da su Srbi izmanipulisani... A sve obican svet, lekari, piloti, profesori...Kad bi se i kurs njihove politike drasticno promenio, ja bih se pocela zahvaljivati Arapima.
Ево и ја се захваљујем, шаљемо им контигент горива и шибица, пошто јесен па де се несмрзну по оном паризу
 
Strela:
Samo ja i dalje ne zaboravljam ko nas je bombardovao i takođe
dobro pamtim da su Grci, Italijani i Makedonci i naravno Srbi u
RS, bili gotovo jedini koji su protestvovali zbog agresije... I ti i tamo
još poneki značajan intelektualac kao Harold Pinter i Peter Handke.
Немој таку у Р.С смо им спалили и конзулате
 
Aiche Mohammed, 64, runs a grocery store near where M. Le Chenadec was attacked. He came to Paris from his native Algeria in 1969.

"If you want to know why the youngsters are burning the cars and throwing the rocks, then look no further than the schools. When my son was 17 and getting ready for his leaving exam last year, his teacher told him not to buy any textbooks because there was no point - he wasn't going to have a career anyway.

U skladu s Međunarodnom konvencijom o ukidanju svih oblika rasne diskriminacije, 'rasna diskriminacija' znači svako razlikovanje, isključivanje, ograničavanje ili davanje prvenstva koje se zasniva na rasi, boji, precima, nacionalnom ili etničkom porijeklu koji imaju za cilj ili za rezultat da naruše ili kompromituju priznavanje, uživanje ili vršenje, pod jednakim uslovima, prava čovjeka i osnovnih sloboda u političkoj, ekonomskoj, socijalnoj i kulturnoj oblasti ili u svakoj drugoj oblasti javnog života.

U oblasti zapošljavanja, povrede ljudskih prava suštinski se pojavljuju u vidu diskriminacije. Diskriminatorno postupanje, u osnovi zasnovano na etničkom porijeklu ili političkom ubjeđenju, najflagrantnija je povreda u oblasti zapošljavanja.

Nas kontaminiraju ne-pije-vodu hipotezama i jos su zgranuti kako se ne kaleme. Hm!
Evo, sad cemo imati priliku da vidimo/naucimo kako se u ovoj agoniji manifestuje tolerancija, ali ovaj put u njihovoj ucionici; bojim se da bi ucenik mogao prevazici ucitelja ( Sena bi mogla da posvedoci ). Ili ce ohola propaganda, kao elitno misaono dostignuce, jos jednom zablistati po promiskuitetnim medijima. Ali, sve se to da tolerisati...jer je to EVROPA.
 
Ni oka trenuo nisam dok nisam procitao sve komentare... Ljudi ima svasta ovde, prosto ste me odusevili... Nisam svracao na ovaj dio foruma jedno vrijeme, samo malo da odmorim jer vise citam nego li diskutujem, ali ste me odusevili.. Prosto sam evo veseo.. Konacno ste se slozili skoro pa svi ucesnici, moram priznati netipicno za nas srbe..

No da dodam i ja svoj komentar...

Negdje napisah da se ce evropska unija raspasti prije ili za vrijeme prijema sadasnje SCG i BiH u isto pa me ljudi samo sto ne popljuvase, ali izgleda da sam pogrijesio.. To ce da se desi mnogo prije...

Sta je sve uzrok ovom u mnogom ste napisali, ali desavanja u Francuskoj su po meni tek pocetak jedno poduzeg kriznog razdoblja u evropi... Kako stvari stoje evropa se mora slomiti a sto je sve pocelo u Fr nije ni cudo je tamo zivi ako ne grijesim vise od 2 miliona muslimana i joste kojecega, a ko je sledeci??? Nijemci naravno, koliko turaka, kurda muslimana je kod njih,, cek samo dok se pokokaju sa njemackim neonacistima koji jedva cekaju varnicu... A varnica je izgleda upaljena u Francuskoj a samo da dotakne neonaciste u njemackoj i ode sve do vraga mila..

Sad nece ni nama biti bas dobro ovde ali sreca je jedan moci cemo konacno da se bavimo sobom i nece imati vremena da se bave nama, pa cemo moci s mirom da uradimo neke stvari koje treba da uradimo..

Sta mislite...???
 
Ja upravo na to i tipujem. Dakle kad tamo nesto pukne, mi cemo vec lako da se nayebemo keve ovde svima koji su vala od nas to zalsuzili... samo tako...
U to ime, Marlo, otvaraj jos jednu flasu, ova je prazna...
u zdravlje
 
GZ:
Ni oka trenuo nisam dok nisam procitao sve komentare... Ljudi ima svasta ovde, prosto ste me odusevili... Nisam svracao na ovaj dio foruma jedno vrijeme, samo malo da odmorim jer vise citam nego li diskutujem, ali ste me odusevili.. Prosto sam evo veseo.. Konacno ste se slozili skoro pa svi ucesnici, moram priznati netipicno za nas srbe..

No da dodam i ja svoj komentar...

Negdje napisah da se ce evropska unija raspasti prije ili za vrijeme prijema sadasnje SCG i BiH u isto pa me ljudi samo sto ne popljuvase, ali izgleda da sam pogrijesio.. To ce da se desi mnogo prije...

Sta je sve uzrok ovom u mnogom ste napisali, ali desavanja u Francuskoj su po meni tek pocetak jedno poduzeg kriznog razdoblja u evropi... Kako stvari stoje evropa se mora slomiti a sto je sve pocelo u Fr nije ni cudo je tamo zivi ako ne grijesim vise od 2 miliona muslimana i joste kojecega, a ko je sledeci??? Nijemci naravno, koliko turaka, kurda muslimana je kod njih,, cek samo dok se pokokaju sa njemackim neonacistima koji jedva cekaju varnicu... A varnica je izgleda upaljena u Francuskoj a samo da dotakne neonaciste u njemackoj i ode sve do vraga mila..

Sad nece ni nama biti bas dobro ovde ali sreca je jedan moci cemo konacno da se bavimo sobom i nece imati vremena da se bave nama, pa cemo moci s mirom da uradimo neke stvari koje treba da uradimo..

Sta mislite...???

Slično kao i ti.
 
serb_pagan:
braca francuzi uveli policijski cas,polako razbijaju islamske bande...bice dobro za nasu stvar

Vidim da su Tebi nesto blizi "braca Francuzi" nego Rusi. Da nije to mozda zbog staroslovenskog-paganskog porekla ? :|
Mislim da je dobro za nasu stvar da dodje do promene konstalacije snaga u svetu, a bilo kakva kriza na Zapadu kao ova ide tome u prilog.
 
Ејјјјјјј.... комодоре... гибаја у великој шерпењи... као торта... па кад заграбиш рукама и загризеш.. а оно врућ сир и кајмак цури низ браду...
 

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