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Izgleda da je Hrastovnik bio u pravu kada je govorio o Poluvercima i Krestjanima. Kristianin (sa i) kao pojam se prvi put pojavljuje u Codex Alexandrinus za koji se verovalo da potice iz 5. veka ali za koji se sad veruje da je ili falsifikat iz 11. veka ili je prepravljan u 11. veku i rec krestjanin je prepravljena u kristjanin.
Stara srpska krestjanska vera je bila vera koju je Konstantin preuzeo kao svoju, jer mu je trebala podrska balkanskog Srpskog stanovnistva u ratu koji je vodio. Zvanicna vera Rima je postala krestjanska vera a ne kristijanska. Simbol chi ro je ustvari svetovidov solarni tocak.
Ostatak na Engleskom
When one investigates the earliest explicit references to "Christian" in the earliest sources of the common era, one comes away empty handed. The earliest evidence is dominated by the occurrence of the term "Chrestian", as is tabulated below (See the LINK). In the Greek language the word Christian is χριστιανος, while the word Chrestian is χρηστιανος. In the Greek manuscript sources which are presented below, the eta (η) invariably occurs instead of the iota (ι).
What does this mean? The evidence tabulated below strongly implies that the earliest form of the term "Christian" does not occur until Codex Alexandrinus, at least the 5th century, and may in fact not enter the chronological record [C14!?!] until substantially later. In place of the term "Christian" in the evidence is instead, and quite invariably, is found the term "Chrestian". Some background may be required here. In a separate article the sources of Chrestos and Christos in antiquity are outlined and examined. It must be noted at this point that the term "Christ" in all the Greek manuscript sources is invariably encrypted, or encoded, along with a series of important theological terms, according to a system of abbreviations known as the nomina sacra (Latin; "sacred names").
As a result of this system, the encoded terms "Christ(os)" and "Chrest(os)" cannot be distinguished within this system of encryption, and hence the interest (perhaps even expedience) of locating the expanded and explicit forms in the earliest evidence. One further preliminary article may serve as a necessary background at this point, and that is the investigation of the historical appearance of the "Chi-Rho" code, which is used to represent "Christ" in the manuscript sources, in the non-literary sources outside the Bible tradition. On this series of questions, see Constantine and the Chi-Rho.
As a result of this situation - that the term "Chrestian" (and not "Christian") invariably appears with the earliest evidence - the question must naturally arise as to whether the earliest "Chrestians" were indeed even related to what we now think to be the earliest "Christians".
Furthermore the evidence suggests that the appearance of the term "Christian" is quite late, and that therefore, at some later epoch in history, these newly defined "Christians" essentially took over a name of a class of people who were known as "Chrestians". For clarity, the sequence of events appears to be something like this:
The earliest instance of the term "Christian" in the Greek codices appears in Codex Alexandrinus, which is currently dated to the 5th century, by various methods which are not very secure. Considering the importance of the first historical appearance of the term "Christian" out of many many chronologically prior instances of the original term "Chrestians", then it might be both interesting and expedient to have a fragment of Alexandrinus C14 dated.
Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit: Dyson Perrins Building, South Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3QY U.K.
Codex Alexandrinus at the British Library: 96 Euston Road in central London
The following tabulation should serve to document the evidence that, in fact ...
"The disciples were originally called Chrestians (not Christians) ... at Antioch"
The tabulation of the evidence can be viewed on this page:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/chrestians christians.htm
It consists of Manuscripts (12), Inscriptions (8), Comments on the situation by the "Church Fathers" (4).
Here is a list of the instances of "Chrestian", "Chreistian" or "Chresian" but NOT the sought-after term "Christian":
SB XII 10772
P.Laur. II 42
P.Oxy.XLIII 3149
SB XVI 12497
P.Oxy XLII 3035
P.Oxy.XLIII 3119
Codex Sinaiticus
Codex Vaticanus
Codex Bezae
The Manichaean Manuscripts from Kellis
PGM IV. 3007-86
Tacitus Annals (See below)
In 1902 Georg Andresen commented on the appearance of the first 'i' and subsequent gap in the earliest extant, 11th century, copy of the Annals in Florence, suggesting that the text had been altered, and an 'e' had originally been in the text, rather than this 'i'
See: WIKI: Tacitus on Chrestians
SUMMARY
Therefore if we exclude traditions and legends and just look at the evidence itself (manuscripts, inscriptions) it is evident that the term "Christian" does not appear in the historical record until a very late date, and that this very late date is the date of Codex Alexandrinus. What appears in the evidence itself is the term "Chrestian" or variants such as "Cheistian" and "Chresian".
To quote Professor Julius Sumner Miller ...... "Why is it so"?
Legend has it that codex Alexandrinus is from the 5th century, but we have just seen the value of the "legendary traditions" and hence the importance of C14 dating this codex , which is held at the British Library.
I trust I have expounded my reasons clearly for focussing on the C14 dating of Codex Alexandrinus.
The C14 date will tell us which century (from the 5th century or perhaps much later) the term "Christians" appeared in antiquity.
I think that this is an important question to be answered, and C14 can answer this question better than the theologians.
Stara srpska krestjanska vera je bila vera koju je Konstantin preuzeo kao svoju, jer mu je trebala podrska balkanskog Srpskog stanovnistva u ratu koji je vodio. Zvanicna vera Rima je postala krestjanska vera a ne kristijanska. Simbol chi ro je ustvari svetovidov solarni tocak.
Ostatak na Engleskom
When one investigates the earliest explicit references to "Christian" in the earliest sources of the common era, one comes away empty handed. The earliest evidence is dominated by the occurrence of the term "Chrestian", as is tabulated below (See the LINK). In the Greek language the word Christian is χριστιανος, while the word Chrestian is χρηστιανος. In the Greek manuscript sources which are presented below, the eta (η) invariably occurs instead of the iota (ι).
What does this mean? The evidence tabulated below strongly implies that the earliest form of the term "Christian" does not occur until Codex Alexandrinus, at least the 5th century, and may in fact not enter the chronological record [C14!?!] until substantially later. In place of the term "Christian" in the evidence is instead, and quite invariably, is found the term "Chrestian". Some background may be required here. In a separate article the sources of Chrestos and Christos in antiquity are outlined and examined. It must be noted at this point that the term "Christ" in all the Greek manuscript sources is invariably encrypted, or encoded, along with a series of important theological terms, according to a system of abbreviations known as the nomina sacra (Latin; "sacred names").
As a result of this system, the encoded terms "Christ(os)" and "Chrest(os)" cannot be distinguished within this system of encryption, and hence the interest (perhaps even expedience) of locating the expanded and explicit forms in the earliest evidence. One further preliminary article may serve as a necessary background at this point, and that is the investigation of the historical appearance of the "Chi-Rho" code, which is used to represent "Christ" in the manuscript sources, in the non-literary sources outside the Bible tradition. On this series of questions, see Constantine and the Chi-Rho.
As a result of this situation - that the term "Chrestian" (and not "Christian") invariably appears with the earliest evidence - the question must naturally arise as to whether the earliest "Chrestians" were indeed even related to what we now think to be the earliest "Christians".
Furthermore the evidence suggests that the appearance of the term "Christian" is quite late, and that therefore, at some later epoch in history, these newly defined "Christians" essentially took over a name of a class of people who were known as "Chrestians". For clarity, the sequence of events appears to be something like this:
- 1. Before c.316 CE: There appears to have been a class of people in antiquity who were referred to as "Chrestians".
2. After c.316 CE: Constantine uses this name as the name of the "Chrestian State Religion", associated with the sacred code "Chi-Rho".
3. Until Alexandrinus: the "Chrestian State Religion" continues for a number of centuries ...(How many? 1, 2,3,4,5 or more? C14 would help!!)
4. After Alexandrinus: the "Chrestian State Religion" decided to make themselves the "Christian State Religion". (See Tacitus' Annals)
- While the epithet "Christian" certainly appears to have derived from the word "Christ", to an outsider who might not have been necessarily familiar with the association with the adjective χρηστος (good) since the iota of χριστιανος is periodically replaced by an eta. Nevertheless, given the periodic evidence of itacistic changes it is not always clear is such a distinction is being made consciously or whether it is simply a mispronunciation.
Turning to the documentary evidence for the use of the epithet it is spelled at least four different ways in papryi: xpιστιαvoc; xpηστιαvoc; xpσιαvoc; and xpητιαvoc. Though divergent spellings are attested in the material from Oxyrhynchus, in every instance the eta replaces the iota, and in the letters specifically the epithet is employed on three separate occasions: SB XII 10772; P.Laur. II 42 (IV/V); P.Oxy.XLIII 3149
The earliest instance of the term "Christian" in the Greek codices appears in Codex Alexandrinus, which is currently dated to the 5th century, by various methods which are not very secure. Considering the importance of the first historical appearance of the term "Christian" out of many many chronologically prior instances of the original term "Chrestians", then it might be both interesting and expedient to have a fragment of Alexandrinus C14 dated.
Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit: Dyson Perrins Building, South Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3QY U.K.
Codex Alexandrinus at the British Library: 96 Euston Road in central London
The following tabulation should serve to document the evidence that, in fact ...
"The disciples were originally called Chrestians (not Christians) ... at Antioch"
The tabulation of the evidence can be viewed on this page:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/chrestians christians.htm
It consists of Manuscripts (12), Inscriptions (8), Comments on the situation by the "Church Fathers" (4).
Here is a list of the instances of "Chrestian", "Chreistian" or "Chresian" but NOT the sought-after term "Christian":
SB XII 10772
P.Laur. II 42
P.Oxy.XLIII 3149
SB XVI 12497
P.Oxy XLII 3035
P.Oxy.XLIII 3119
Codex Sinaiticus
Codex Vaticanus
Codex Bezae
The Manichaean Manuscripts from Kellis
PGM IV. 3007-86
Tacitus Annals (See below)
In 1902 Georg Andresen commented on the appearance of the first 'i' and subsequent gap in the earliest extant, 11th century, copy of the Annals in Florence, suggesting that the text had been altered, and an 'e' had originally been in the text, rather than this 'i'
See: WIKI: Tacitus on Chrestians
SUMMARY
Therefore if we exclude traditions and legends and just look at the evidence itself (manuscripts, inscriptions) it is evident that the term "Christian" does not appear in the historical record until a very late date, and that this very late date is the date of Codex Alexandrinus. What appears in the evidence itself is the term "Chrestian" or variants such as "Cheistian" and "Chresian".
To quote Professor Julius Sumner Miller ...... "Why is it so"?
Legend has it that codex Alexandrinus is from the 5th century, but we have just seen the value of the "legendary traditions" and hence the importance of C14 dating this codex , which is held at the British Library.
I trust I have expounded my reasons clearly for focussing on the C14 dating of Codex Alexandrinus.
The C14 date will tell us which century (from the 5th century or perhaps much later) the term "Christians" appeared in antiquity.
I think that this is an important question to be answered, and C14 can answer this question better than the theologians.
