to je varijanta koja podrazumeva dobronamernost hrvatskih znanstvenika....
verovatnija varijanta je da su hteli da podmetnu Srbima poreklo koje će ih učiniti daljim od njih..
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znači po vama je to haplotip N...... meni se čini da je to haplotip... Haplogroup T-M184 u kojem se navodi to istraživanje od 7 posto za srbe.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184
tamo piše da je izvorište zapadna azija..a epicentar je kod nekih plemena arapa, indijaca i ostalih...
e sada imamo i haplogrupu T bez nekog broja a tamo se na eupediji vidi detaljnije
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA.shtml
u kojoj se kaže da je ima među tatarima.....koji su tursko- mongolski narod.....a znamo da su tatari dolazili ovdje.....
vjerovatno taj haplotip srba nije dovoljno istražen ili se srbi boje istog istražiti ali je zanimljivo da je taj haplotip iščeznuo iz drugih istraživanja...pobjegao je glavom bez obraza...
treba se točno vidjeti koji je to tip haplotipa a to je mala šala za vas velike znanstvenike....vi se s tim igrate kao mačka sa mišem.....zadivljen sam vašom količinom znanja......očekujem vaš referat na tu temu...jedva čekam.....
ne znam zašto uvek pokušavaš da uniziš...
haplogrupa K* bi bili pleme majka Evroazije...
haplogrupa T je prisutna u malim procentima širom Evroazije......
a Mongoli, Tatari, Indijanci, Arapi..su časni narodi i grupe naroda koji ne zaslužuju da ih ti ovde vidiš kao nekakvu nižu rasu i da na osnovu toga pokušavaš da spustiš vrednost Srbima (veštački?) povezujući ove narode sa modernim Srbima....
kasnija istraživanja za Srbiju
Regueiro et al od egzotičnih grupa za jug Evrope nalazi 1.9% N
a Mirabal et al nalazi koliko se sećam N oko 3%, Q i H oko 2% i L oko 0.5%...
ne bi bilo sramata da su našli i T... čak naprotiv...
Tatari su inače častan narod verovatno skitskog porekla koji je turkizovan...
Čarls Bronson je recimo poreklom Tatar...
oni su takođe kao i poreklo imena Srbi vezani za zemlju Serica...
tu vezu Tatara sa zemljom Sericom možeš videti ovde u staroj evroazijskoj R1a...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ptab=2&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=114781513110833464918.000486ea2e46f2583f229&ll=44.562628,81.287842&spn=10.201969,28.059082&source=embed
zeleni pinovi su ljudi koji potiču od stanovnika zemlje Serica na dalekom istoku... zemlja je nestala kad su je razbili Huni i Mongoli...deo stanovnika je pobegao ka Indiji i Evropi, deo je turkizovan....
vidi zelene pinove u Belorusiji i pročitaj od koga su...od tatarskog plemstva Litvanije....konkretno od dvoje ljudi koji se prezivaju Muhla..a sad se seti da li si u mitovima o slavnoj hrvatskoj prošlosti već negde čuo ime Muhla? da to nije možda ime mitskog rodonačelnika Hrvata?
Prema legendi Hrvati su se doselili pod vodstvom petero braće (Klukas, Lobel, Muhlo, Kosjenac i Hrvat) i dvije sestre (Tuga i Buga)
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrvati
tatarsko plemstvo Litvanije je Muhla...a tatarsko pleme Hrvata?...
znači od Buge Bugari, od Hrvata Hrvati, a od Muhle tatarsko plemstvo Litvanije...
ako bi ovo imalo veze onda bi morala da postoji i veza Tatara sa Bugarima....
There is an ethnic nationalist movement among Kazan Tatars which stresses descent from the Bulgars and is known as Bulgarism
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Outside of Tatarstan, urban Tatars usually speak Russian as their first language
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According to the Chinese government, there are still 5,100 Tatars living in Xinjiang province.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
Xinjiang je zemlja Serica...
Tatar-speakers call the holiday Sabantuy (Сабантуй, [sʌbɑnˈtuɪ]), or, more correctly, Saban tuyı (Сабан туе, [sʌˈbɑn tuˈjɯ]) - plural form: Sabantuylar [sʌbɑntuɪˈlɑr].
Other Turkic peoples living along the Volga also celebrate the holiday. Bashkir-speakers call it Habantuy (Һабантуй), Chuvash-speakers — Akatuy (Акатуй).
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Sabantuy traces its origins to the pre-Islamic epoch, when it was celebrated before the sowing season. The presence of Sabantuy was noticed by ibn Fadlan as early as in 921. Traditional songs and other customs of the Sabantuy probably had a religious connotation at that time.
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The Tatar wrestling (Tatarça köräş[5]), is the main competition of Sabantuy. Wrestlers [6] use towels and the aim is to knock down the opponent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabantuy
"hrvanje" je glavno takmičenje na veliki praznik
Sabantuy ...
uostalom ova rekonstrukcija koja povezuje Tatare sa pra-Srbima i pra-Hrvatima nije nemoguća...
Tatari kao što se vidi iz zelenih pinova za istočno evroazijsku R1a genetski imaju veze sa zemljom Sericom...
kada osvoje Rusiju Tatari svoje prestonice zovu Sarai
Sarai (also transcribed as Saraj or Saray) was the name of two cities, which were successively capital cities of the Golden Horde, the Mongol kingdom which ruled Russia and much of central Asia in the 13th and 14th centuries. They were among the largest cities of the medieval world, with a population estimated by the 2005 Britannica at 600,000.
Sarai is Persian[1] for "palace". There is also a variation meaning home (Saraa), similar to Sarajevo in the Balkan peninsula.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarai_(city)
otkud potiče ime Sarai? to je bilo drevno ime na daelkom istoku za gradove odmorišta duž trgovačkih puteva koji su povezivali Evropu sa oblasti Serica, sa Indijom, sa Vavilonom i Saudi Arabijom...
Serica je bila trgovačka zemlja....
A caravanserai, or khan, or fondouk, also han (in Turkish), also known as caravansary, caravansera, or caravansara in English (Persian: كاروانسرا kārvānsarā or کاروانسرای kārvānsarāi, Turkish: kervansaray), or sarai in Indian subcontinent, was a roadside inn where travelers could rest and recover from the day's journey. Caravanserais supported the flow of commerce, information, and people across the network of trade routes covering Asia, North Africa, and southeastern Europe, especially along the Silk Road.
These were found frequently along the Persian Empire's Royal Road, a 2,500-kilometre (1,600 mi) long ancient highway that stretched from Sardis to Susa according to Herodotus: "Now the true account of the road in question is the following: Royal stations exist along its whole length, and excellent caravansaries; and throughout, it traverses an inhabited tract, and is free from danger."[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravanserai
uz to ime naroda kome Tatari pripadaju Kinezi beleže kao Shiwei...ovi Shiwei su Mongoli ali u stvari Xianbei poreklom a Kitanci jezikom...
The name "Tatars" was used an alternative term for the Shiwei, a nomadic confederation to which these Tatar people belonged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
Shiwei (simplified Chinese: 室韦; traditional Chinese: 室韋; pinyin: Shìwěi; Wade–Giles: Shih4-wei3) were a Mongolic people that inhabited far-eastern Mongolia, northern Inner Mongolia and northern Manchuria and were recorded from the time of the Northern Wei (386-534) until the rise of the Mongols of Genghis Khan in 1206 when the name "Mongol" and "Tatar" were applied to all the Shiwei tribes. They were closely related to the Khitan people to their south.
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In describing the origin of the Shiwei, Chinese dynastic histories record that it is somewhat related to the Khitan, who were of Xianbei origin. They were local Xianbei tribes who became independent after the Xianbei state dissolved in 234 with the death of Budugen. In the Weishu, it is recorded that the language of the Shiwei was the same as that of the Khitan, who spoke the Khitan language; in the Suishu, it is claimed that the Shiwei belonged to the same kind of people as the Khitan; and in both the Xin Tangshu and Jiu Tangshu, it is claimed that the Shiwei were a collateral branch of the Khitan.
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uostalom Mongoli svoje poreklo izvode od mongolskih Srba iz severne Kine i severoistočne Mongolije...to je lokacija zemlje Serica.....
The Mongols derived their ancestry from the “Mengwu Shiwei” in the northern Manchuria and northeastern Mongolia. “Mengwu” was a variant Chinese transcription of “Menggu” designated to the Mongols, and “Shiwei” was a variant transcription of the Xianbei, as “Xianbei” was also recorded as “Sian-pie,” “Serbi,” “Sirbi” and “Sirvi”.[18]
[18] ^ Zhang, Jiuhe [张久和] (1998). Yuan Menggu ren de li shi: Shiwei--Dada yan jiu [History of the Original Mongols: research on Shiwei-Dadan] 原蒙古人的历史: 室韦--达怛研究. Beijing [北京], Gao deng jiao yu chu ban she [High Education Press] 高等教育出版社. pp. 27–28.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei_state
