Драгољуб Дража Михаиловић

maks1969:
Kiseli dobro si ti obrazložio svoje stajalište.
Šteta samo što neki niti ne pročitaju pa ospu paljbu bez ikakvih argumenata.
Sporimo se oko toga zašto je zločin bio sistematski.A bio je.
Četnici su i po Srbiji vršljali i ubijali civilno stanovnoštvo.To što se služe presurovim metodama u progonu komunista ovdje malo kome smeta.To što su ubijali sve nesrpsko po prostorima bivše Juge ne smeta nikome.
To je najbolje zaboraviti jer to ne odgovara zagovornicima četnika.
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Nije tačno.
Ustaše su vršile sistematski zločin, ubijali sve Srbe, bez obzira na političku opredeljenost.
A zločini četnika su bili odgovor na zločine ustaša, mislim na zločine nad muslimanima i Hrvatima. A zločine nad komunistima su činili isto koliko i komunisti nad njima.
Draža i njegovi komandanti su zabranjivali zločine, e sad što su se neki odlučili da se svete, to je njihovo delo, a to nije Dražina krivica.
 
Gruban:
Ko je dokazao taj broj od 19 000 ,daj neki objektivan izvor,ove linkove što si dao nemaju veze sa tim brojem.
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Ne verujem da je četnika na kraju rata bilo preko 10-12,000
I to sa inkorporiranim ljotićevim i nedićevim prebezima.

Smatra se da je JuVO prestala da postoji posle 1943/4 kada su ili otišli kućama ili prešli na stranu partizana.
Ali 19,000 četničkih žrtava je prevelika cifra, jednostavno ih nije bilo toliko.
 
Alekasandar3:
Ne verujem da je četnika na kraju rata bilo preko 10-12,000
I to sa inkorporiranim ljotićevim i nedićevim prebezima.

Smatra se da je JuVO prestala da postoji posle 1943/4 kada su ili otišli kućama ili prešli na stranu partizana.
Ali 19,000 četničkih žrtava je prevelika cifra, jednostavno ih nije bilo toliko.
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vi se svi lozite na rummela.specijalno kada su partizani u pitanju, ili kada su u pitanje srpske zrtve. onda volite da brojevi budu sto veci. e, pa rummel ima brojeve i za cetnike
najmanja vrednost je 50 hiljada, srednja vrednost 100, a najveca 500 hiljada zrtava cetnickog terora
 
kiseli1:
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vi se svi lozite na rummela.specijalno kada su partizani u pitanju, ili kada su u pitanje srpske zrtve. onda volite da brojevi budu sto veci. e, pa rummel ima brojeve i za cetnike
najmanja vrednost je 50 hiljada, srednja vrednost 100, a najveca 500 hiljada zrtava cetnickog terora
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500,000!?

Čoveče ne preteruj!
Bilo je više hiljada u svakom slučaju ali pola miliona!?

Mislio sam da si ozbiljan.
 
ja jesam ozbiljan, ali ako netko napise da su srbi zrtve , i napise 2 miliona, sbvima se oci zacakle od srece..po meni pervezno, ali u realnosti to se prodaje. pa onda kako srbi dizu brojevi, onda i hrvati dizu brojeve na bleiburgu. naravno, s obzirom na broj stanovnika, po zadnjem popisu u kraljevini, zna se gde je granica, ali modernisti, pisu democidnu, perverznu poeziju, i ne daju se smetati
ti mislis da su cetnici bolji od drugih? na zalost nisu. ubijanje je kao krckanje kikirikija. kada pocmes ne znas stati
 
Major_Pavle_Djurisic:
Nije tačno.
Ustaše su vršile sistematski zločin, ubijali sve Srbe, bez obzira na političku opredeljenost.
A zločini četnika su bili odgovor na zločine ustaša, mislim na zločine nad muslimanima i Hrvatima. A zločine nad komunistima su činili isto koliko i komunisti nad njima.
Draža i njegovi komandanti su zabranjivali zločine, e sad što su se neki odlučili da se svete, to je njihovo delo, a to nije Dražina krivica.
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A zato su u Nurnbergu mnogi Njemci omastili konopac jer su znali a nisu ništa poduzeli.Zločin je zločin.Kao četnik trebao bi biti kršćanin zar ne?Što bi Hristos rekao na ovakvo tvoje uopćavanje i relativiziranje?
Tom tvojom logikom opet mogu prebaciti korijen u prošlost.Recimo u vrijeme diktature kralja Aleksandra,zabrana političkih stranaka itd,itd.Pa reći ustaški pokret je nastao kao odgovor na tu diktaturu.No ne kažem.Vama je važno tko je prvi počeo?Tako možemo unedogled u povijest...Kud to vodi?
 
aka_Koča:
Ovu temu otvaram zato sto je trenutno aktuelno pitanje Dražinog groba ili da budem precizniji mesta gde su ga komunisti mucki i kukavicki likvidirali. Takođe je podnet zahtev za rehabilitaciju i poništenje presude kojom je posle II sv.rata osuđen na smrt, a prethodno su mu oduzeta sva građanska prava.

Zamislio sam ovu temu kao mesto gde se može naći sve o Draži, biografija, fotografije, izjave, itd. a najmanje u sta ova tema treba da se pretvori je rasprava. Zato bih odmah zamolio, bez zlonamernih upada, takvih tema je gomila i to možete tamo.

Ko je bio Draza pre II sv. rata?
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Draza je bio vojnik osrednjih kvaliteta.

Kao politicar je bio uzasno los i naivan.

Ostavljen od kralja je bio totalno zbunjen i gotovo svi potezi su mu bili pogresni.

Ratovao je iskljucivo protiv Srba levicara i Srba islamske veroispovesti.

Draza je jedna tamna mrlja u svetloj vojnickoj istoriji Srbije.
 
ajd bre komse imate vi i vaznijih tema...hehehehe....il vas bas kopka ova :mrgreen:

opustite se...ima jos vremena za vasu povijest...citava vecnost...mada Maje odradise kalendar do 2012...:hahaha:

Najnoviji clanak o prvom gerilcu okupirane Evrope :D

"Halyard Mission" and Mihailovich Honored at World's Largest Private Air Show - AirVenture July 2009


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O.S.S. Radioman for Halyard, Arthur "Jibby" Jibilian (front row, light colored jacket), with American airmen and Captain Nick Lalich and General Draza Mihailovich standing with his hand over his heart, directly behind Jibilian. Serbia, 1944.

Trying to right a wrong

WWII airmen honored for role in rescue operation


Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
By Jack Kelly
July 31, 2009


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09212/987716-84.stm


OSHKOSH, Wis. -- Art Jibilian hoped his presence here at the largest private air show in the world would, in a small way, help right a terrible wrong that had been done so long ago.

Mr. Jibilian, of Fremont Ohio, and surviving members of the Tuskegee Airmen, the pioneering squadron of black fighter pilots, were honored here yesterday at AirVenture 2009 for their roles in Operation Halyard, the greatest rescue of downed American airmen in World War II.

Two former Western Pennsylvania men also played prominent roles in planning and executing that 1944 mission in the former Yugoslavia.

Mr. Jibilian recounted that rescue yesterday to members of the Experimental Aviation Association at the suggestion of Brian McMahon, a Toledo real estate developer and EAA member. He also presented a plaque honoring the black airmen who flew cover while C-47 transport planes landed and took off from a runway hacked out of a mountain by hand.

"This means so much, not for me but for General Mihailovich," Mr. Jibilian said yesterday, referring to the guerilla leader whose involvement in the rescue was largely suppressed until recent years.

Mr. McMahon said he was fascinated to learn about the former Toledo man's prominent role in Operation Halyard after picking up a copy of "The Forgotten 500," a 2007 book by Gregory A. Freeman about the mission.

Mr. McMahon previously arranged for the University of Toledo, from which Mr. Jibilian was graduated in 1951, to honor him. His next target is Hollywood.

"This story would make a heck of a movie," Mr. McMahon said.

Bold mission

Between Aug. 9 and Dec. 27, 1944, rescuers spirited 512 airmen, most of them Americans, out of the former Yugoslavia under the noses of the Nazis. To accomplish the daring mission, members of the Office of Strategic Services -- the forerunner to the CIA -- had to fight not just the Germans, but the British, who tried to sabotage their efforts.

Many of the Americans fliers had been shot down while striking at oilfields in Ploesti, Romania, the principal source of oil for the Nazi war machine.

As the radio operator on the OSS team, Mr. Jibilian, then 21, was crucial to the success of the mission. Even more critical was the involvement of former Western Pennsylvanians George Vujnovich and the late George Musulin.

An Ambridge native who later became an executive with Pan American World Airways, Mr. Vujnovich ran OSS covert operations in Yugoslavia from the 15th Air Force base in Bari, Italy during the war. Mr. Vujnovich wanted to lead the rescue mission himself, but was forbidden to do so.

So he turned to Mr. Musulin, a giant of a man who played tackle for Pitt's Rose Bowl team in 1936 and later played for the Pittsburgh Steelers before joining the OSS from the Office of Naval Intelligence. After the war, the native of Franklin, Cambria County, joined the CIA, from which he retired in 1974. He died in 1987.

The biggest hero of Operation Halyard, however, was Gen. Draza Mihailovich, the leader of Chetnik guerrillas in Yugoslavia. It was mostly Gen. Mihailovich's men who assisted American fliers who parachuted from crippled airplanes, and fed and hid them from the Nazis at great risk to themselves. They also helped the fliers and OSS men construct a makeshift runway near Gen. Mihailovich's headquarters in Pranjane from which they were airlifted to Italy.

But it was Allied policy to deny Gen. Mihailovich and his Chetniks support, or even credit for their contributions to the Allied cause. That's why the British tried to stymie the mission, and why -- after it succeeded -- the British and the U.S. State Department insisted it be hushed up.

That policy was chiefly the work of James Klugmann, a Communist mole in the Special Operations Executive, the British counterpart of the OSS.

As an intelligence officer for the Yugoslav section of the SOE, Mr. Klugmann was in a position to invent triumphs for the Communist Partisans, to attribute to the Partisans victories over the Nazis that were actually won by Gen. Mihailovich's Chetniks, and to fabricate "evidence" of Chetnik collaboration with the Nazis.

"Every time a message came in from Musulin about some success Draza Mihailovich had, (Klugmann) assigned it to the Communists," Mr. Vujnovich, now 93 and living in New York, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "The next day it would be on the BBC."

Mr. Klugmann was able to censor messages from OSS operatives in Yugoslavia because the OSS relied on British radio operators in the early days of the war. The British had much better radios for clandestine communication and the OSS had few radio operators in the region.

That was why Mr. Jibilian's arrival was so important to the success of Operation Halyard.

Ideological stew

For Americans, World War II was a fight against Germany, Italy and Japan. In Yugoslavia, things were more complicated.

Yugoslavia was cobbled together from parts of the Austro-Hungarian empire after its collapse at the end of World War I. Its largest population was Serbs, but it also had Croats, Slovenians, Bosnians and Montenegrins, many of whom disliked being in a kingdom ruled by Serbs.

When Germany invaded Yugoslavia on April 6, 1941, the Serbs opposed the invaders. But the Nazis received a friendlier welcome in other parts of Yugoslavia. Although the Royal Yugoslav Army was quickly crushed and surrendered unconditionally on April 17, 1941, Draza Mihailovich, then a colonel, kept on fighting.

Also opposing the Nazis were Communist Partisans under Josip Broz -- a Croat better known by his nom de guerre, Tito -- although they didn't join the fight until after Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941.

Tito wanted to rule a Communist Yugoslavia after beating the Nazis. Gen. Mihailovich, a royalist inclined towards the West, stood in the way.
 
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In November, 1941, the Partisans attacked the Chetniks. From that point, the two guerrilla armies fought each other more than they fought the Germans.

In addition, Gen. Mihailovich found himself in a four-sided civil war. This was the stew of ideological and ethnic hatreds into which Art Jibilian parachuted on March 15, 1944.

"Jibby" had been drafted into the Navy in March, 1943. He was at the Great Lakes Naval Station near Chicago learning to be a radio operator, when an OSS recruiter came to visit.

The OSS desperately needed radio operators, the recruiter said. Was he willing to volunteer for hazardous duty behind enemy lines? He was.

While waiting in Cairo, Egypt, for his first assignment, Mr. Jibilian volunteered again when he heard Col. Lynn Farish was looking for a radio operator for a team he was taking into Yugoslavia. After being forced to rely on British radio operators to get out reports during an earlier mission, Col. Farish insisted upon an American radio operator this time, even a rookie.

The mission, into territory controlled by the Partisans, went badly after the Germans located the OSS position through direction-finding equipment.

Dodging bombs and bullets, the three-man OSS team fled higher into the mountains, running so fast they had to jettison their equipment, including the radio. After six nights of cold and hunger, they evaded their German pursuers.

As they made their way back down the mountain, peasants told them about American airmen hiding from the Germans. They found a dozen, and were able to contact their base in Cairo. On June 16, the airmen and the OSS team were rescued.

Airmen await help

George Vujnovich learned from his Serbian-born wife, Mirjana, who'd escaped from Yugoslavia earlier in the war, that many more downed airmen were hiding in Yugoslavia. Gen. Mihailovich had been sending radio messages about the airmen for months, but the British ignored them.

One of those messages was intercepted by an American listening post in Algiers, which passed it on to the Yugoslav embassy in Washington, D.C., where Mirjana was working.

"She wrote me a letter with the names of the airmen and asked me what we could do about it," Mr. Vujnovich told the Post-Gazette.

After graduating from Ambridge High School in 1934, George Vujnovich went to Yugoslavia, from which his parents had emigrated to America in 1912, to attend medical school. He and his wife-to-be were in Belgrade when the Germans attacked.

Because America wasn't yet in the war, Mr. Vujnovich could leave the country. Despite their hasty marriage, it was dicier for his wife. The Gestapo was looking for Yugoslavs with connections to the Americans or the British, and she was on their list.

After a risky, roundabout trip through Bulgaria, Turkey, Egypt and West Africa that took more than a year, Mirjana made it to Washington, D.C., and George joined the OSS.

When he proposed the rescue mission, the British and U.S. State Department opposed it. But Gen. Nathan Twining, commander of the 15th Air Force, wanted to get "his boys" back, and OSS chief Bill Donovan lent crucial support. Still, President Roosevelt agreed to a demand from Prime Minister Winston Churchill that Mr. Vujnovich not be permitted to lead the expedition. Though few in the OSS knew Yugoslavia better, George Vujnovich was too fond of Gen. Mihailovich, too suspicious of Tito for British tastes.

"I was [angry]," Mr. Vujnovich said. "But I couldn't do anything as a soldier, because I was under orders."

In addition to Mr. Musulin, who had spent months with Gen. Mihailovich the year before, the OSS team also included Mr. Jibilian, who volunteered to go back despite his harrowing experience weeks before.

They almost didn't make it. The team relied on British air support, but four attempts to drop them were aborted. The British pilots, apparently deliberately, twice flew to the wrong coordinates. On the fifth attempt, the British tried to drop the team into an ongoing battle.

"They were hoping we would just drop into the battle and just disappear," Mr. Jibilian recalled. "They obviously didn't want us to go in there."

A furious George Musulin insisted upon an American plane with American pilots. On their sixth attempt, on Aug. 2, 1944, the OSS team landed successfully.

Extraordinary feat

In Pranjane, just 30 miles from a German garrison, 200 airmen and 300 Chetniks built, with their bare hands, a 700-foot dirt airstrip on a plateau just 50 yards wide halfway up a mountain. That was the absolute minimum length needed to land the C-47s that were to carry the airmen to safety. The plateau was surrounded on all sides by mountain ranges just two miles away.

Four C-47s made it in on the night of Aug. 9 and carried several dozen airmen to safety, barely clearing the woods at the end of the runway. But the night operations were dangerous, and took so much time that Mr. Musulin worried the Nazis would notice. He decided to gamble all on a daylight rescue.

At dawn on Aug. 10, six C-47s and an escort of about 30 fighters, most of them P-51s flown by the Tuskegee airmen, arrived. The fighters bombed and strafed German positions within 50 miles while the C-47s circled for landing. No sooner were they airborne than another six C-47s appeared. A total of 272 airmen were rescued without a casualty.

"This was an extraordinary feat of airmanship," said Jeff Underwood, the historian for the National Museum of the Air Force at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton.

For the airliner version of the C-47 (the DC-3), the minimum distance required for takeoff was 900 feet, and 1,600 feet to land, Mr. Underwood said.

Mr. Musulin was ordered out of Yugoslavia after the rescue. He also was threatened with court martial for disobeying an order to offer no aid to Gen. Mihailovich because he arranged for shoes to be brought in for mostly barefoot peasants in the area.

Mr. Jibilian remained behind. The rescue scenario was repeated several times until the last of the airmen under Gen. Mihailovich's protection --512 in all -- were evacuated on Dec. 27.

"We asked Mihailovich to come out with us," Mr. Jibilian said. "In fact, we begged him. He said no. 'I'm a soldier, this is my country,' he said."

Posthumous award

Gen. Mihailovich was captured by the Partisans and accused of collaboration with the Nazis. After a show trial, he was executed on July 17, 1946.

The airmen he'd rescued and members of the OSS vigorously protested the arrest, demanding the right to testify at his trial. But Tito refused, and the State Department offered no help.

Art Jibilian was one of the few OSS members to work with both the Partisans and the Chetniks.

"Having spent two months with the forces of Marshal Tito, and six months with Mihailovich, the contrast was amazing," he said. "The Partisans shadowed us, never leaving us alone with the villagers. They were always tense, and the villagers seemed ill at ease in their presence.

"On a few occasions we were able to shake our guard and talk to the people," he said. "One question they always asked us is 'Why are the Americans backing the Partisans?' "

"It was night and day between the two," Mr. Jibilian said. "When we were in Mihailovich territory, we were free to go wherever we wanted, talk to anyone we wanted. It was clear the villagers loved Mihailovich."

The official silence about Gen. Mihailovich continued because the State Department was trying to woo Tito from allegiance to the Soviet bloc. Mr. Churchill later told a Belgian newspaper his handling of Yugoslavia was his biggest mistake during the war.

At the insistence of Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, President Harry S. Truman in 1948 awarded the Legion of Merit, the highest award the United States can give to a foreigner, to Gen. Mihailovich posthumously. But the award remained secret until 1967, when former U.S. Rep. Edward Derwinski of Illinois demanded it be made public.

In 2005, a delegation including Mr. Jibilian and Mr. Vujnovich went to Belgrade to present the Legion of Merit to Gen. Mihailovich's daughter, Gordana.

Originally scheduled as a public event with media coverage, the medal presentation was changed to a small affair in a private home, attended by no representatives from the U.S. embassy in Belgrade.

"Embassy personnel told us they couldn't do anything because the State Department wouldn't allow them," Mr. Vujnovich said.

But the historical record was corrected two years ago with the publication of Mr. Freeman's book.

"I first became aware of this during the conflict in Bosnia," Mr. Freeman told the Post-Gazette.

"The story was amazing, and so was the fact that it had hardly been told, But I didn't want to tell it in the context of the violence that was going on then, so I put the project off for five years."
 
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At the insistence of Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, President Harry S. Truman in 1948 awarded the Legion of Merit, the highest award the United States can give to a foreigner, to Gen. Mihailovich posthumously. But the award remained secret until 1967, when former U.S. Rep. Edward Derwinski of Illinois demanded it be made public.

In 2005, a delegation including Mr. Jibilian and Mr. Vujnovich went to Belgrade to present the Legion of Merit to Gen. Mihailovich's daughter, Gordana.

Originally scheduled as a public event with media coverage, the medal presentation was changed to a small affair in a private home, attended by no representatives from the U.S. embassy in Belgrade.
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eisenhower nije bio sekretar za odbranu, 1948 godine, i nije mogao da inzistira na nicem, i nije imao nikakve sentimente prema mihailovicu i nedicu....

ovo je tekst zakona o "legio of merit"
Executive Order 9260--Legion of Merit
Source: The provisions of Executive Order 9260 of Oct. 29, 1942, appear at 7 FR 8819, 3 CFR,
1943-1948 Comp., p. 1222, unless otherwise noted.
1. The decoration of the Legion of Merit shall be awarded by the President of the United States or
at his direction to members of the armed forces of the United States and members of the armed
forces of friendly foreign nations, who, after the proclamation of an emergency by the President
on September 8, 1939, shall have distinguished themselves by exceptionally meritorious conduct
in the performance of outstanding services.
2. Awards of the decoration of the Legion of Merit may be proposed to the President by the
Secretary of the Army, the Secretary of the Navy, and the Secretary of the Air Force, each acting
upon the recommendation of an officer of the armed forces of the United States who has
personal knowledge of the services of the person recommended.
3 (a). The decoration of the Legion of Merit, in the degrees of Commander, Officer, and
Legionnaire, shall be awarded by the Secretary of Defense or his designee, after concurrence by
the Secretary of State, to members of the armed forces of friendly foreign nations.
(b). Recommendations for awards of the Legion of Merit, in the degree of Chief Commander, to
members of the armed forces of friendly foreign nations shall be submitted by the Secretary of
Defense, after concurrence by the Secretary of State, to the President for his approval.
[EO 9260 amended by EO 10600 of Mar. 15, 1955, 20 FR 1569, 3 CFR, 1954-1958 Comp., p.
245]
Page URL: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/09260.html
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1.nije najvise odlikovanje koje se moze dati strancu, ima i puno visih, ovo je na 7 mestu, i daje se oficirima americkih snaga pred penziju
2. sluzbena americka administracija ne zeli nista da ima s tim odlikovanjem, jer nema ukaza o odlikovanju.

Meanwhile, the Partisans continued to assist in the evacuation
of downed airmen, often at great cost to themselves. As
OSS officer John G. Goodwin pointed out, "Crews had a
knack for coming down between the lines," and on several occasions
"Partisans were wounded or killed trying to save
these men from the enemy." Journalist and former Partisan
Edi Selhaus has documented Partisan rescue efforts in
Slovenia that returned 305 U.S. airmen to their home bases
between January 30, 1944, and March 1, 1945. A typical episode
involved the crew of the B-24 Little One from the 464th
Bomb Group.
On July 19, 1944, Little One departed southern Italy as
part of a thirty-nine-ship formation ordered to attack the Allach
Aircraft Engine factory in Munich. En route to the target,
the propeller of its #1 engine had to be feathered. Flying
on three remaining engines, pilot Thomas MacDonald was
forced to descend to 16,000 feet, while the main formation
continued at 22,000 feet. Nevertheless, MacDonald managed
to stay with the group and drop his bombs on the factory
from the lower altitude.
Then, hit by flak over the target, Little One lost its #2 engine
and its electrical system. The B-24 limped across the
Alps and had passed over Udine, Italy, when its #3 engine
quit. By now the plane was over Croatia's Istrian peninsula,
south of Trieste. MacDonald, with no other choice, gave the
order to bail out.
Copilot John C. Rucigay and top turret gunner Merle Weik
landed together in a plowed field. A pistol-wielding Yugoslav
motioned them to follow. Having been briefed about Partisan
activity on the Istrian peninsula, Rucigay assumed--correctly-
that they were in safe hands. The two airmen were
taken to a camp in the woods, where six more crew members
joined them over the next few hours. Only the pilot and bombardier
were still missing. The men spent the night in the
small village of Krnica. The next day, they began the long
trek to an evacuation airstrip in Slovenia. Pilot MacDonald
soon joined the group; bombardier Robert Dennison did not
show up until July 26.
The ten crew members spent nearly two weeks with their
Partisan guides, walking back trails at night and sleeping in
the woods by day. They passed north of Fiume (Rijeka),
reached the border near Skrad, entered Slovenia, and finally
arrived in a valley that had been liberated by the Partisans.
Near the small village of Nadlesk, a 1,500-foot grass airstrip
had been laid out, parallel to a stream. The area was a staging
point for evacuating Allied personnel and wounded Partisans.
Little One's crew spent two weeks in the valley, free to explore
the countryside. Then, on the moonless night of August
19, a C-47 from the 60th Group landed, dropped off supplies
and weapons, and departed with a group of Partisan
wounded and Allied personnel. A second C-47 appeared the
following Saturday, the 26th, with more cargo and two passengers.
(Life photographer John Phillips and Capt. James
Goodwin would accompany the Partisans on a raid into enemy-
held territory.) The plane carried out another group of
wounded and evacuees, but not the survivors of Little One.
To the B-24 crew's great relief, two C-47s arrived the next
evening to pick up the remaining evacuees. Their month-long
adventure had come to an end. "For us survivors," copilot Rucigay
later wrote, "it was a memorable experience that we
wouldn't forget. I was one of the lucky ones."
The successful and sustained evacuation of Allied airmen
from the Balkans, with the assistance of both the Cetniks
and Partisans, ranks as one of the outstanding achievements
of AAF special operations. Between January 1, 1944, and October
15, 1944, according to statistics compiled by the Air
Crew Rescue Unit, 1,152 American airmen were airlifted
from Yugoslavia, 795 with Partisan assistance and 356 with
the help of the Cetniks. During the same period, 47 U.S. flyers
were evacuated from Greece and 11 from Albania.
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citirano iz:
The U. S Army Air Forces in World War II
Fueling the
Fires of Resistance
Army Air Forces Special Operations
in the Balkans during World War II
William M.
 
a ti kao nesto dokazujes :hahaha::dash:

splacine, kao i uvek...Legion of merit je najvece odlikovanje koje su Ameri dodeljivali za zasluge u II sv.ratu stranim drzavljanima...:D

Izgleda da ces za to ko je bio Ajzenhauer i koja je ovlascenja imao morati da se obratis jednom od najtiraznijih dnevnih listova u USA Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:mrgreen:..........ili konkretno coveku koji je pisao clanak

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09212/987716-84.stm

Jack Kelly is "national security writer" for Pennsylvania's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and Ohio's The Toledo Blade owned by Block Communications, Inc., and a nationally syndicated columnist. Kelly served in the Reserve in both the U.S. Marine Corps and with the U.S. Army Special Forces, with whom he served as a public affairs officer in Operation Desert Storm in Iraq. During his career, Kelly was a news correspondent in Vietnam in 1970 and a deputy press secretary for the Republican National Committee in 1977. Kelly was also "a deputy assistant secretary" of the U.S. Air Force during the Ronald Reagan administration. [1]

Kelly "was even embedded" with the 1st Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment [2] "to cover the conflict with Iraq in 2003." [3]


ili mozda tvom drugu Jovanu Radovanovicu, komunjarskom pukovniku, istoricaru i novinaru, koji je objavio vise knjiga o NOB, a koga uvek izbegavas....kao recimo ovde...http://forum.krstarica.com/threads/221130&page=7 :)

i on laze kao i ti, samo vam se lazi nesto ne slazu....Ali njemu ko je ipak nesto u zivotu za razliku od tebe, i cija rec ipak ima neku tezinu za razliku od tvoje, ne pada na pamet da osporava odlikovanja, vec pokusava da izmisli neke razloge koji ce umanjiti njihov znacaj....

a ako zelis da vidis dva najvisa odlikovanja, koje tvoja povijest ne poznaje, pravac muzej na Ravnoj Gori :mrgreen:

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Zaista clanak u kome je sve receno.......:D

Trying to right a wrong
Friday, July 31, 2009

By Jack Kelly, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

................The biggest hero of Operation Halyard, however, was Gen. Draza Mihailovich, the leader of Chetnik guerrillas in Yugoslavia. It was mostly Gen. Mihailovich's men who assisted American fliers who parachuted from crippled airplanes, and fed and hid them from the Nazis at great risk to themselves. They also helped the fliers and OSS men construct a makeshift runway near Gen. Mihailovich's headquarters in Pranjane from which they were airlifted to Italy.

...............As an intelligence officer for the Yugoslav section of the SOE, Mr. Klugmann was in a position to invent triumphs for the Communist Partisans, to attribute to the Partisans victories over the Nazis that were actually won by Gen. Mihailovich's Chetniks, and to fabricate "evidence" of Chetnik collaboration with the Nazis.

"Every time a message came in from Musulin about some success Draza Mihailovich had, (Klugmann) assigned it to the Communists," Mr. Vujnovich, now 93 and living in New York, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "The next day it would be on the BBC."

..............Tito -- although they didn't join the fight until after Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941.

...............In November, 1941, the Partisans attacked the Chetniks

................Mr. Jibilian remained behind. The rescue scenario was repeated several times until the last of the airmen under Gen. Mihailovich's protection --512 in all -- were evacuated on Dec. 27.

"We asked Mihailovich to come out with us," Mr. Jibilian said. "In fact, we begged him. He said no. 'I'm a soldier, this is my country,' he said."


...............Art Jibilian was one of the few OSS members to work with both the Partisans and the Chetniks.

"Having spent two months with the forces of Marshal Tito, and six months with Mihailovich, the contrast was amazing," he said. "The Partisans shadowed us, never leaving us alone with the villagers. They were always tense, and the villagers seemed ill at ease in their presence.

"On a few occasions we were able to shake our guard and talk to the people," he said. "One question they always asked us is 'Why are the Americans backing the Partisans?' "

"It was night and day between the two," Mr. Jibilian said. "When we were in Mihailovich territory, we were free to go wherever we wanted, talk to anyone we wanted. It was clear the villagers loved Mihailovich."

The official silence about Gen. Mihailovich continued because the State Department was trying to woo Tito from allegiance to the Soviet bloc. Mr. Churchill later told a Belgian newspaper his handling of Yugoslavia was his biggest mistake during the war.

At the insistence of Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, President Harry S. Truman in 1948 awarded the Legion of Merit, the highest award the United States can give to a foreigner, to Gen. Mihailovich posthumously. But the award remained secret until 1967, when former U.S. Rep. Edward Derwinski of Illinois demanded it be made public.

In 2005, a delegation including Mr. Jibilian and Mr. Vujnovich went to Belgrade to present the Legion of Merit to Gen. Mihailovich's daughter, Gordana.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09212/987716-84.stm#ixzz0Nb7sgRIV
 
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ma da, boli mozak, tako uverljivo u toj gazeti i jos Jack Kelly....zasto ne bi stavio predlog za odlikovanje potpisan od Eisenhowera? dasa kao ti, sigurno to ima. zasto stalno novinski clanci , placeni od cetnickog pokreta, koji trebaju da obmanu javnost. stavi dokumenat potpisan od sekretara za odbranu. samo je on mogao potpisati predlog...
ovo nije politicki pdf, ne go istorija. nema razloga propagandu.
STAVI PREDLOG ZA ODLIKOVANJE POTPISAN OD EISENHOWERA
trebao bi da ga imas ako je odlikovanje legalno. a price o ravnoj gori i najvecim odlikovanjima, ostavi za neku cetnicku kavanu sa nekom pevaljkom
kakvo je to odlikovanje koje sluzbeno lice nece da uruci, nego grupa sumnjivih americkih gradjana, kojima je vuk draskovic platio put, se pojavljuje da bi dodelila odlikovanje u privatnoj ceremoniji. nije te sramota?
 
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Nakon knjige Zaboravljenih 500, Gregori Frimana, o najvecoj akciji spasavanja iza neprijateljskih linija u II sv.ratu, jedne od najcitanijih knjiga u Americi, koja je konacno izasla i na srpskom, jos jedna, najnovija strana knjiga na engleskom o II sv.ratu na Balkanu, koja u pravom svetlu prikazuje generala Dragoljuba Drazu Mihailovica i njegove cetnike, kao i uopste citavu situaciju na ovim prostorima...

:D

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Kurapovna, Marcia

Shadows on the Mountain
The Allies, the Resistance, and the Rivalries that Doomed WWII Yugoslavia

Detailed description

An in-depth look at a crucial, little-known WWII episode-the failed Allied policy in Yugoslavia and its ramifications in the Balkans and beyond

Winston Churchill called it his biggest wartime failure-the shift of British and U.S. support from Yugoslavia's Draza Mihailovic and his royalist resistance movement to Tito and his communist partisans. This book illuminates the complex reasons behind that failure through the incredible story of the largest single rescue of Allied airmen from behind enemy lines in WWII history, a rescue executed, incredibly, with minimal support from the U.S. and none from Great Britain.
* Recounts an unknown chapter of WWII history and the single largest rescue operation of the war
* Starting with Serbia's triumph and tragedy in WWI through civil war in Yugoslavia during WWI, focuses on the history of the Balkans, a tragically misunderstood part of the world
* Sheds new light on the OSS-SOE relationship and manipulations of intelligence that profoundly altered policy decision-making
* Reveals how failed Allied policy set the stage for Yugoslavia's breakup in the 1990s
* Details the wartime camaraderie of unlikely warriors who became fast friends, comrades, outcasts, and heroes in executing the rescue

Written with the drama of a novel and the insight of serious history, Shadows on the Mountain is essential reading for anyone interested in World War II, European history, and the Balkans.

_______________________________________


Duboki pogled na veoma značajnu, malo poznatu epizodu Drugog svetskog rata-propast savezničke politike i njene posledice za Balkan i šire

V.Čerčil ga je nazvao svojim najvećim ratnim neuspehom - prebacivanje britanske i američke podrške sa D. Mihailovića i njegovog monarhističkog pokreta otpora na Tita i njegove komunističke partizane. Knjiga oslikava složene razloge koji stoje iza tog neuspeha kroz neverovatnu priču o najvećem pojedinačnom spasavanju savezničkih pilota iza neprijateljskih linija u Drugom svetskom ratu, spasavanju izvršenom uz nverovatno malu pomoć SAD i bez ikakve pomoći V. Britanije.

* Knjiga priča o nepoznatom poglavlju iz istorije Drugog svetskog rata i najvećoj pojedinačnoj spasilačkoj operaciji rata

* Počinje sa pobedom i tragedijom Srbije u Prvom svetskom ratu, ide preko građanskog rata u Drugom svetskom ratu i usredsređuje se na istoriju Balkana - tragično pogrešno shvaćenog dela sveta

* Baca novo svetlo na odnose izmeću OSS-a i SOE i obaveštajne manipluacije koje su temeljno izmenile donošenje političkih odluka

* Otkriva kako je propala saveznička politika postavila pozornicu za slom Jugoslavije 90-ih godina 20. veka

* Daje detalje o ratnom drugarstvu neverovatnih ratnika koji su na brzinu postali prijatelji, drugovi, odbačeni i junaci u izvršavanju spasavanja

Pisane sa dramatikom romana i kao uvid u ozbiljnu istoriju, Senke na planini su važno štivo za svakog koga interesuje Drugi svetski rat, evropska istorija
i Balkan.
 
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:mrgreen:

hehehe, pitam se koga istina boli, i ko ima potrebu da provodi dane i dane na temi o Drazi i njegovim neustrasivim cetnicima, prvim gerilcima okupirane Evrope...niko drugi do iskompleksirani i isfrustrirani hrvat, naroda ustasa, bez istorije i jezika :D

''knjizurine'' kazes :hahaha:....sto tako grubo....koga boli istina i kraj decenijskog komunjarskog mraka....:D...tako ti to izgleda kad knjigu ne pise Djilas....Tako danas izgledaju knjige o generalu Dragoljubu Drazi Mihailovicu i II sv.ratu na Balkanu :)

Nema potrebe da ih pisu Srbi....DAVID MARTIN, MICHAEL LEES, ALBERT SEITZ, ROBERT MCDOWEL, ROBERTS WALTER, KRACHMAR LUCIEN, KRISTOF BUSON, GREGORI FRIMAN, I SADA MARCIA CHRISTOFF KURAPOVNA....SVAKI OD SPASENIH PILOTA ITD, ITD...:)pa kad ih ne pisu Srbi onda ih oni sigurno placaju :hahaha::hahaha:....sto bi rekli, komsija vi ste vrlo zanimljiv covek...ovi smajliji kao da su stvoreni za tvoje beskrajne izgovore i gluposti...ALI STA TI DRUGO PREOSTAJE...

kao sto rekoh za sve dodatne informacije, Muzej na Ravnoj Gori....prosetaj malo do mesta gde je nastao prvi pokret otpora u Evropi :D

ovako izgledaju odlikovanja

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A ovde, sve potrebne informacije...:D

http://www.pogledi.rs/dm/muzej.php

:bye:
 
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Pocecu temu o izjavama saveznika o Drazi i njegovim cetnicima, hronoloski i naravno sa izvorima na kraju, kao do sada :D

Dakle,

SAVEZNICI O CETNICIMA I MIHAILOVICU

Britanski kralj Dzordz VI je 15. juna 1942. godine, podigao britansko poslanstvo kod Jugoslovenske vlade na rang ambasade.
Britanski ambasador Dzordz Rendel, je predajuci akreditivna pisma kralju Petru II Karadjordjevicu pored ostalog rekao: “Podizanje predstavnistva Njegovog Velicanstva na stepen ambasade simbolicki je gest kojim se zeli izraziti najdublje divljenje koje Britanija i cela Britanska Imperija osecaju-kao i sve slobodne zemlje sveta – prema junackom otporu protiv brutalnih napadackih sila naroda Vaseg Velicanstva i jugoslovenske rodoljubive vojske, koja se i dalje bori na tlu Jugoslavije pod komandom Vaseg ministra vojske generala Draze Mihailovica”...1


U Jugoslovenskom domu u Londonu, na Vidovdan 28.juna 1942. godine, organizovana je svecana akademija. Britanski ministar za Indiju Lepold Emeri, tom prilikom odrzao je prisutnima poduzi prigodan govor, u kome je zasao i u dalju proslost srpskog naroda. U svom govoru on je pored ostalog rekao:
“Junacki narode Jugoslavije! Srbi, Hrvati i Slovenci! Nepobedivi ratnici, koji se borite na bojnom polju sa Drazom Mihailovicem! Gradjani i gradjanke, seljaci i seljanke Jugoslavije, vi koji nikada niste klonuli duhom i koji s verom u pobedu cekate cas oslobodjenja od vasih ugnjetaca!… Samo ce istorija moci da kaze koliko je za nas bio spasonosan ovaj vremenski period od nekoliko nedelja u toku koga je prvo- bitni jugoslovenski otpor odlozio nemacki napad na Rusiju, ili, u stvari, koliko je i sada za nas spasonosna cinjenica da se na ruskom frontu ne nalaze sve one neprijateljske divizije koje nepobedni gerilci Draze Mihailovica drze danas prikovane na, u stvari, drugom frontu koji u Evropi postoji”...2


Britanski komandanti na Srednjem Istoku Klaud Okinlek, Artur Teder i Herni Harvud, poslali su 16. avgusta 1942. godine radiogram Drazi Mihailovicu, u kome se kaze:
“Sa divljenjem pratimo od vas vodjene operacije, koje su od neocenjive vrednosti za nasu saveznicku stvar. Materijalna pomoc koju mozemo da dajemo vasim trupama nije mozda trenutno velika koliko bismo mi zeleli, ali vas uveravamo da ce se preduzeti sve da i vama uputi svaka moguca pomoc.”...3


Dana 24. septembra 1942. godine, britanski ministar spoljnih poslova Entoni Idn, u svom govoru na otvaranju Jugoslovenskog doma u Londonu, pored ostalog je rekao:...
“Dobro uredjene jugoslovenske vojske vode borbu protiv neprijatelja na sopstvenom tlu, pod neobicno hrabrim vodjstvom generala Mihailovica. To je jedna vazna vojnicka cinjenica. U ovom casu neprijateljske divizije koje su preko potrebne na ruskom bojistu, ili potrebne na egipatskom bojistu, zadrzavane su borbom u Jugoslaviji.”...4


Komandant francuskih snaga u Severnoj Africi general Anri Ziro, je 11. novembra 1942. godine poslao radiogram Drazi Mihailovicu, u kome je kazao:
“Ponovo sam stupio u borbu protiv nasih zajednickih neprijatelja. Vama licno i herojskoj jugoslovenskoj vojsci zelim u ovom trenutku da izrazim i podvucem tradicionalno bratstvo po oruzju koje vlada izmedju francuske vojske i vase vojske. Izrazavam vam svoje najdublje divljenje. Vas herojski otpor i vasi uspesi probudili su i pokrenuli nacionalnu svest svih onih koji se bore protiv napadaca. Vas otpor i vas primer vode ka pobedi, koja pocinje da se radja.”...5


Nacelnik britanskog Generalstaba general Alan Bruk, je 1.decembra 1942. godine, poslao radiogram Drazi Mihailovicu povodom ujedinjenja ovakvog sadrzaja:
“U ime Carskog Generalstaba ne mogu da propustim dvadeset cetvrtu godisnjicu od ujedinjenja Srba, Hrvata i Slovenaca, a da ne izrazim cestitanje za divne poduhvate jugoslovenske vojske na Srednjem istoku u ovom pobedonosnom casu, nego i na vase nepobedive cetnike, pod vasom komandom, koji se bore dan i noc pod najtezim ratnim okolnostima. Uveren sam, Gospodine Ministre, da ce uskoro doci dan kada ce i sve vase snage moci da budu ujedinjene u jednoj slobodnoj i pobedonosnoj Jugoslaviji; dan kada ce neprijatelj, protiv koga se zajednicki borimo rame uz rame, biti satrven zauvek.”...6


Drzavni podsekretar SAD Samner Vels, je u radiogramu Drazi Mihailovicu od 4. januara 1943. godine kazao:
“Vlada SAD ima potpuno poverenje u patriotizam generala Mihailovica i veliko divljenje za vestinu, istrajnost i hrabrost sa kojom on i jugoslovenski patrioti oko njega nastavljaju borbu za oslobodjenje svoje zemlje. Mi smatramo da vojna akcija na koju se pozivate predstavlja cinjenicu u orjentisanju vodjstva rata od strane Ujedinjenih naroda protiv Osovine.”...7
 
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hehehe...sitni hrvatski provokatori, koliko vas ima:mrgreen:

Nisam ja nista zaboravio, kroz te slike smo prosli milion puta i hvala Bogu da je tako, kako sitni provokatori poput tebe ne bi mogli da manipulisu istim....

Na prvoj slici su cetnici Koste Pecanca, a ti ces lepo da nam objasnis kakve veze ta slika ima sa temom o generalu Dragoljubu Drazi Mihailovicu i JVuO.

Na drugoj slici bi bilo lepo da nam pokazes gde je Vojvoda Djujic :eek:

Treca slika je najobicniji falsifikat sa kepecom Fon Vredeom, koji zamisli uopste nije kepec...:mrgreen:....ovi tvoji drugari to vole da nazovu kolazom...hehehe...svakako da je Fon Vrede odsecen i nalepljen...Slika specijalno odradjeni za neki list (novine), sto se jasno vidi, ili bi mozda trebali da postavite original :D

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Cetvrta slika iz svete knjige komunizma, naravno vidno ostecena, kao i svaka....ko je na slici, Boga pitaj, osim sto odudara nekako ova uperena puska u Nemca...:mrgreen:

Peta slika, Uros Drenovic, i stara dobra zloupotreba crvenih ustasa poput tebe, kada je ova slika u pitanju....Sta ti uopste znas o cetnicima zapadne Bosne i njihovom polozaju, od kad su pod Drazinom komandom, itd....verovatno ti nista ne znaci ni to da je danas sasvim jasno da su te noci, po prvom Drenovicevom silasku u Banjaluku Srbi prvi put mirno spavali jos od pocetka rata, i da je na ovaj nacin spasavan srpski zivalj od totalnog istrebljenja...

Na ovoj sestoj slici, kao i na prethodnima ne navodis ni ko je na slici, ni kad, ni gde...nema nikakvu vrednost....

Kad budes naucio da pravis osnovne razlike izmedju legalne vojske pod komandom Draze Mihailovica, priznate od saveznika i pronemacki orjentisanih cetnika Koste Pecanca, kao najosnovniji uslov da ucestvujes na ovakvoj diskusiji, javi se...

mada sve mislim da nema svrhe...

eto tako ukratko samo za tebe, posto si ovde pao ko s kruske, ove teme su davno prevazidjene, probaj malo da prelistas po forumu...al sto bi, ti si samo mali, sitni provokator....hehehe

Ako nemas nista protiv nastavio bih sa SAVEZNICI O CETNICIMA I MIHAILOVICU? :D

kako ti je volja, mozes i da nastavis da spamujes temu, sa jednim istim slikama koje ubise server...:dash:
 
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Jasno je meni da su sve to falsifikati, cim ti ne idu u prilog. Da idu - bili bi verodostojni snimci. To je uvek tako...

Ne bih da spamujem temu ali zaista ne znam da je Draza ikada vodio bilo kakvu bitku sa Nemcima...?

Koliko su Nemaca cetnici u toku rata likvidirali? Jednog ili nijednog?

I voleo bih da mi odgovoris ZASTO nikada cetnici nisu napali Jasenovac, a bili su u Bosni...

Bice da nisu znali sta se tamo desava?
 
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kiseli1:
zasto izbegavas odgovor? lepo sam ti rekao da stavis dokumenat potpisan od eisenhowera, koji nemas, a i nemas sta da odgovoris na to. sta, istina te boli?
sve te knjizurine, pisane po narudzbi, ne mogu pobiti dokumente. i jos tvrditi nesto za churchilla koji u svojim memoarima, pise o mihailovicu, i to nista pozitivno
Kliknite za proširenje...

hahahahahhahahahha

pisane po narudžbi, kiseli lupaš previše.
 
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