Албанци нису Илири

albanski jezik sa kavkaza
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Alhemym007:
Ovo u prevodu znaci - albanski jezik je anticki Ilirski.

Ja se slazem da je stari Ilirski jezik u najvecoj meri sacuvan u danasnjem albanskom,koji je inace mix mnogo jezika - latinski,slovenski,grcki + izvorne reci sa Kavkaza + Ilirske...

Mislim da on nije rekao da je neko Ilir,receno je da je jezik Ilirski,sto ne mora da znaci prvo..
Mogu Srbi da pricaju Siptarski ali ne znaci da su Siptari,kapis ? :rtfm:
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To u prevodu znaci : albanski jezik je staro Ilirski jezik ..
Taj drugi : Epirotski jezik je danashnji albanski jezik .

islim da on nije rekao da je neko Ilir,receno je da je jezik Ilirski,sto ne mora da znaci prvo..
Mogu Srbi da pricaju Siptarski ali ne znaci da su Siptari,kapis ?
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To je samo bio jedan dalji primer , inace ima ih nekoliko hiljada njih :mrgreen:
Pa nismo ih mi naterali pre 500-600 godina da pisu o nama covece .
 
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Arberi:
imas link , ja govorim sa argumentima ako nisi znao , pored njega ima jos :
Konrad Gesner Schweizer “Buch: Mithridas sive de differentiis linguarum” 1555
Andrea de Poza Spanierin 1587 , “Albaner nannte man früher Epiroten”
G. Skaliger Franzose(1540 - 1600) 1599 Buch: Langues europeennes, “die epirotische Sprache von früher ist die albanische Sprache von heute”
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz Deutscher Philosoph (1646 - 1716) “albanische Sprache ist die alte illyrische:mrgreen:
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TI samo vadis neke Švabe...aj daj nekog drugog...ima li koji Rus, Francuz, Španac, ili koji istocnjak..
 
Arberi:
imas link , ja govorim sa argumentima ako nisi znao , pored njega ima jos :
Konrad Gesner Schweizer “Buch: Mithridas sive de differentiis linguarum” 1555
Andrea de Poza Spanierin 1587 , “Albaner nannte man früher Epiroten”
G. Skaliger Franzose(1540 - 1600) 1599 Buch: Langues europeennes, “die epirotische Sprache von früher ist die albanische Sprache von heute”
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz Deutscher Philosoph (1646 - 1716) “albanische Sprache ist die alte illyrische:mrgreen:
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Ardian Vebiu
(Albanian historian & dissident)
Ardian Vebiu says that it "seems pathetic in front of the fact that we can't explain through Albanian words the place names we currently use". It is not just pathetic. It is actually a debacle that very obviously nullifies any possibility of Albanian-Illyrian continuity.
Fatos Lubonja :
For instance, the ethnogenesis of the Albanians was an open question among Albanian scholars in the 1950s, but when Enver Hoxha declared that their origin was Illyrian (without denying their Pelasgian roots), no one dared participate in any further discussion of the question. During the Communist era, literary and artistic activity as well as academic studies (especially historic and linguistic studies) all adhered to this pattern. By this means a virtual world was created in which Albanians lived within the propaganda framework of the part and of the literary, artistic and academic works, which pervaded schools, libraries, cinemas, theaters and exhibitions.
John Wilkes:
"NOT MUCH RELIANCE SHOULD PERHAPS BE PLACED ON ATTEMPTS TO IDENTIFY AN ILLYRIAN ANTHROPOLOGICAL TYPE AS SHORT AND DARK SKINNED SIMMILAR TO MODERN ALBANIANS."
No wonder both (and only) the Serbian and Albanian schools largely dismiss Wilkes (thus giving him an enormous credibility), for Wilkes says it's hard to believe Bosnian-Illyrian tribes were "Romanized", "Hellenized", etc. This however is what the Serbian school needs desperately so that they too can claim that the same tribes had been also "Slavicized" after the fall of the Western Roman Empire and into the Mid Ages.
 
Alhemym007:
Ja se slazem da je stari Ilirski jezik u najvecoj meri sacuvan u danasnjem Albanskom,koji je inace mix mnogo jezika - latinski,slovenski,grcki + izvorne reci sa Kavkaza + Ilirske...

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Šta bre ima da se slažeš kad niko pojma nema kakav je bio stari ilirski jezik? Ono malo reči su Grci zapisali nakaradno, kako samo oni znaju da iskrive. I dajte bre ljudi manite se već jednom povezivanja Ilira sa albancima, ilirija se prostirala do Retije.
 
Arberi znas li sta pise ovde:;

They first entered the annals of post-classical recorded history in the second half of the 11th century and it is only at this time that we may speak with any degree of certainty about an Albanian people.
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Andthen after spending a few days, we passed through the city of Ulcinj, which belongs to the King of Rascia, and sailed to Durrës, a city once famous and mighty by land and sea. subject to the Emperor of the Greeks but now belonging to the Prince of Romania, the brother of the aforementioned King of Jerusalem, [this city] being in the province of Albania. It should be known that Albania is a province between Slavonia and Romania, having a language of its own and which the aforementioned schismatic King of Rascia has subjected to his rule. For the Albanians themselves are schismatics, using the rites of the Greeks and are entirely like them in their dress and manner. For the Greeks rarely if ever wear the cowl, but rather a white hat lowered almost flat to thefront and raised at the back so that their hair, the length and beauty of which they are extremely proud, may appear more attractive to the eyes of the beholder.
The Slavs on the other hand, of whom mention was made above, wear a white hat,
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/87009/Two-Irish-Travellers-in-Albania-in-1322

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Bugarash:
opa prozbore na zapadnobugarski dialekt a?
ajde be sakas negde u Cair kaj jajapasa
uztvari ima eden kafic tuka kaj mene u blizina se vika nerezi
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Kade sakas nema problem .. samo kazi koga , kade ?
opa prozbore na zapadnobugarski dialekt a?
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Ne vi se mesam jas na vasite problemi , odnsosno vi pozeluvam na sto podobar nacin da gi resavate :mrgreen:
 
illyrian_dream:
JA NE BAVIM SE s Politicnom dnevnom istorijom ko vi, vec sa onom sto se zove istorija
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А сад озбиљно, је знаш ти кукавче, да се Ескулап звао АСКЛЕПИОС а не Eskulapi
и да су сва ова твоја наклапања фалсификат и то врло лоше одрађен. Уосталом , као и све што долази са те стране.
 
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