Албанци нису Илири

[Lesandar]

Znaci Milorade polako priznajes da je nas jezik od tih starih deda

Не, него од Грка, и Цинцара.

 

[Arberi]

Не, него од Грка, и Цинцара.

Koji Grka ?
Neznam gde su bili tih Grci do XVIII veka
I neznam zasto ne razume i ne procitaju starogrcki sa sadasnjem grcki , dakle Grci sa Grcima ne razume se

 

[Lesandar]

Koji Grka ?
Neznam gde su bili tih Grci do XVIII veka
I neznam zasto ne razume i ne procitaju starogrcki sa sadasnjem grcki , dakle Grci sa Grcima ne razume se

Стари Грци су нестали, ово сад су Шиптари и Турци који натуцају грчки и праве се ноблес, као они подигли Акропољ , само заборавили како се то ради.

 

[Arberi]

Lesandar; Стари Грци су нестали, ово сад су Шиптари и Турци који натуцају грчки и праве се ноблес, као они подигли Акропољ , само заборавили како се то ради. er



Не, него од Грка, и Цинцара.

Zato Albanci u Grcku ratovali neprekidno protiv Turaka tamo

Не, него од Грка, и Цинцара.

Daj mi jedan jedini izvor da je tako , i od kada se spominju oni , kao sto od mene trazis ?
Npr.dajem vam link ( mada nemam veze sa time ) za stare natpise vi to negirate , samo zato sto pise o Albancima , dok druga osoba bez ikakvog linka i dokaza ima vise uticaj , a u sprotivno cak i njemu je smesno
pre koji dan ovde : http://forum.krstarica.com/threads/254&page=45
link : http://www.thelosttruth.altervista.org/SitoItalian/CasoPelasgico.html
I cak od google translate dao sam nesto u vezi tog natpisa , a druga osoba ni to nije uradio , pa ?

 

[Lesandar]

Zato Albanci u Grcku ratovali neprekidno protiv Turaka tamo

Управо супротно:

 

[Arberi]

Nisi odgovorao kako smo ukrali jezik od njih , ja dajem izvore , a od Cincara ??
Cekam godinu dana na te tvrdnje , pa cekacu i danas ..

Управо супротно:

Iako nema godina i autora te knjige neka , evo kako je :

The Greek President is Albanian!

TWENTY-SEVEN GREEK PRIME MINISTERS HAVE ALBANIAN DESCENT

Things in the Balkans are very much mixed-up and so intertwined that it is normal to assume that people are very much mixed. The Balkans is the place where one can find all kinds of people in a single region which is also the subject for Ljalja´s latest thesis.

According to Ljalja´s findings, 27 out of the 57 former Greek Prime Ministers are of Albanian descent.

Former Greek Foreign Affairs Minister Theodoros Pangalos, a Greek government representative, on occasion openly spoke about his Albanian background

Speaking of Albanians occupying high positions in the Greek government, Ljalja´s investigation has revealed that even the Greek President, Karolos Papuljas is of Albanian descent. According to Ljalja, Papuljas is a Cham (from Chamurija), born in the village Voshtina, one kilometer away from today´s Greek-Albanian border. His ancestors were Muslims with the last name Sulejmani. About 120 years ago Papuljas´s ancestors converted to Christianity and changed their name. Ljalja supports this assertion with evidence which he received from a well-known Albanian actor who studied with Papuljas and with whom the Greek President maintains contact to this day.

Tako brzo da zobarovljas , he-he-he , ovde sam poslao nekoliko knjiga u vreme rata su objavljene vecina njih , pa vidise lepo ko je ratovao i kakva je vojska bila u taj ustanak: http://forum.krstarica.com/threads/254619&page=17
Gde su Antickih Grci u ovo vreme rata ??

Evo i link jer sam zaboravio : http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/85877

Moreu (peloponez danas ) su napustili Albanci , pobegli od turaka tada .. Danas u Siciliju i Calabriju , raspravljili smo o tome .

 

[Lesandar]

Nisi odgovorao kako smo ukrali jezik od njih , ja dajem izvore , a od Cincara ??

Moreu (peloponez danas ) su napustili Albanci , pobegli od turaka tada .. Danas u Siciliju i Calabriju , raspravljili smo o tome .

Љуљезим, ускачеш себи у уста. Ако су Мореу напустили Албанци, није ваљда само њих 27 остало да сви буду премијери?

Албански језик је општепозната ствар, нећеш ваљда стопрви пут да елаборирамо колико има грчког а колико латинског субстрата?

 

[Ethana]

Čisto za tvoju informaciju, jeste popularna zbog uloge (voice) u Petom elementu, podrške albanskog kapitala, i najbitnije, braka sa hipanoamerikancem Čakoom koji je poznanik Plasida Dominga. Ali je nisko kotirana u světu opere kao osrědnja pěvačica.

Nije samo uloga u Petom Elementu inatdzijo:

Inva Mula was born in Albania and after triumph in a number of international competitions, including the Georges Enescu, Barcelona Madama Butterfly, and the 1993 First Placido Domingo Competition, was launched on an international career. She has appeared with Placido Domingo at the Opéra-Bastille in Paris, in Munich, Brussels and elsewhere. She has made her débuts in major opera houses, including the Paris Opéra, Bonn, Hamburg, the Vienna State Opera and the Verona Arena, as well as in leading venues in America, including her début at the Metropolitan Opera as Musetta in La Bohème. Collaboration with Riccardo Muti has brought appearances at La Scala and in major opera houses throughout Italy. She has won equal success in the concert hall. Inva Mula’s recordings include the rôle of Micaëla in Carmen, with Roberto Alagna and participation in Bizet’s Ivan IV.

Albums featuring this artist are available for download from ClassicsOnline.com

PUCCINI, G.: Boheme (La) (Teatro Real, 2006) (Blu-ray, NTSC) OABD7007D
PUCCINI, G.: Boheme (La) (Teatro Real, 2006) (NTSC) OA0961D
PUCCINI: Boheme (La) (Teatro Real, 2006) (HD-DVD, NTSC) OAHD5007D
RAVEL: Chansons (Songs) 8.554176-77
VERDI, G.: Rigoletto (Arena di Verona, 2001) (NTSC) 107096
VERDI: Rigoletto (Arena di Verona, 2001) (PAL) DV-OPRIGM
VERDI: Rigoletto (Liceu, 2004) (NTSC) DVWW-OPRIGL

Ali
otkad Pirro hispanoamerikanac??? On zna Pacida Domingo bas od Inve!

Pirro Cako:

A ionako Inva se razvela od njega prosle godine, udala se za Kosovskog biznismena Hetema Ramadanija, jedan od 10 najbogatijih Kosovara, koji zivi u Sloveniji!

 

[Arberi]

Lesandar; Љуљезим, ускачеш себи у уста. Ако су Мореу напустили Албанци, није ваљда само њих 27 остало да сви буду премијери?

Ovi su tvorci Grcke drzave , i niko nije rekao da su ovih od Morea ili danasnji peloponez ..
Vreme kad su napastuli (dobar deo ) Albanci Moreu i ovih Albanskih ministara u GR je razlika 300-400 g.

Албански језик је општепозната ствар, нећеш ваљда стопрви пут да елаборирамо колико има грчког а колико латинског субстрата

Grckog nema , a taj pojam ''staro Grcki'' je upravo Pelazgijski jezik ..
Latinski , hmm koce da ga zna vecina lingvista vezaju latinsko-albanski jezik ..

Spojler

Most of the phonological and grammatical developments that separate present-day Greek from the Koine occurred during this period. Thus, in the phonology the two high front vowels /i/ and /ü/ were merged, simplifying the six-vowel system to the five-vowel system of Modern Greek. In the morphology the frequent misuse of the dative case of nouns shows that it went out of use in the spoken language, and the infinitive was replaced by various periphrastic constructions. (Periphrastic constructions involve the use of function words and auxiliaries.) In the earlier period numerous words (mostly Latin) were imported: the chronicler Malalas has (in their modern form) pórta ‘door,’ kámbos ‘plain,’ saíta ‘arrow,’ paláti ‘palace,’ spíti ‘house’ (from hospitium), and hundreds of other borrowings, not all of which have survived. The later period is characterized by the richness of its compound words, usually from native roots. Some of these, such as the compounds in which a modifying noun precedes its head noun, continued ancient patterns (thalassóvrakhi ‘sea rock,’ vunópulo ‘mountain lad’); coordinative compounds of the type common in Modern Greek, though rare in earlier periods, are also found (aristódhipnon ‘lunch and dinner,’ compare Modern Greek andróyino ‘man and wife,’ makheropíruna ‘knives and forks’). Semantic shift was another source of innovation: álogho ‘horse,’ previously meant ‘irrational’; skiázome ‘I fear,’ earlier meant ‘I am in shadow’; and (u)dhén ‘not,’ meant, in Classical Greek, ‘nothing.....
pórta ‘door,’--> is the Albanian word porta

kámbos ‘plain,---> is the Albanian word kamba(leg)

’ saíta ‘arrow,’ --> is a corruption of the Albanian shigjeta

paláti ‘palace,’--> is the Albanian word pallati

spíti ‘house’ --> is the Albanian word shpi or shtëpi

 

[Ethana]

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[Lesandar]

Ovi su tvorci Grcke drzave , i niko nije rekao da su ovih od Morea ili danasnji peloponez ..
Vreme kad su napastuli (dobar deo ) Albanci Moreu i ovih Albanskih ministara u GR je razlika 300-400 g.

Колико Албанци могу да направе маљи деца за 300 - 400 година?

Кад смо код цинцарског утицаја ( а то је једини латински утицај) на језик и уопште генезе албанског народа:

кажи ми која је разлика између породица Нуша и Нуши ( оваквих примера има безброј, овај је најпознатији)?

 

[Arberi]

Колико Албанци могу да направе маљи деца за 300 - 400 година?

кажи ми која је разлика између породица Нуша и Нуши ( оваквих примера има безброј, овај је најпознатији)?

Kakve to ima veze sada Nusi i Nusa sa lingvistikom ?
To za deca , pitaj ginekologe

Кад смо код цинцарског утицаја ( а то је једини латински утицај) на језик и уопште генезе албанског народа:

Nadji mi ti za nekog naroda dali pise u vezi jezika i naroda ovako :

Spojler

 

[Arberi]

Ili ovako
The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present By Edwin E. Jacques

 

[Arberi]

Dalje Milorade sve dok ne spustas peskir

Spojler

 

[Lesandar]

Dalje Milorade sve dok ne spustas peskir

Spojler

Ваљда је и теби јасно да Пелазге не можеш да доказујеш писањем из 19. и 20. века, нарочито не одећом коју су носили и Власи и Грци.

Kakve to ima veze sada Nusi i Nusa sa lingvistikom ?

Нуши и Нуша имају велике везе са лингвистиком и генезом албанског народа. Нуша је говорио ароманским језиком који је и данас 50% албанског а Нуши, његов потомак се спанђао са Турцима и Черкезима.

 

[Mrkalj]

Nije samo uloga u Petom Elementu inatdzijo:

Inva Mula was born in Albania and after triumph in a number of international competitions, including the Georges Enescu, Barcelona Madama Butterfly, and the 1993 First Placido Domingo Competition, was launched on an international career. She has appeared with Placido Domingo at the Opéra-Bastille in Paris, in Munich, Brussels and elsewhere. She has made her débuts in major opera houses, including the Paris Opéra, Bonn, Hamburg, the Vienna State Opera and the Verona Arena, as well as in leading venues in America, including her début at the Metropolitan Opera as Musetta in La Bohème. Collaboration with Riccardo Muti has brought appearances at La Scala and in major opera houses throughout Italy. She has won equal success in the concert hall. Inva Mula’s recordings include the rôle of Micaëla in Carmen, with Roberto Alagna and participation in Bizet’s Ivan IV.

Osrednja pevačica. Možeš i sama da proveriš imaš torrent Rigoletto sa njom (njenu "drhtavu" Đildu).
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4402189/Giuseppe_Verdi_s_Rigoletto_Story

Ako ne možeš sama da zaključiš, jedina referenca da je neko pevač svetskog glasa je da nastupa u 1) njujorškom Metropolitenu, 2) milanskoj Skali, 3) bečkoj Štatsoper ili 4) londonskom Rojal Albert holu i to makar jednu sezonu neku glavnu ulogu. Da si gledala Boeme znala bi da Muzeta otpeva dva minuta i fajront.

O razlozima njenog napretka u svetu šou biznisa možemo da pretpostavimo, ali nisko se kotira u svetu opere.

Ono za Čaka sam odavno čuo pa sam pisao po sećanju. Hvala na ispravci.

 

[Arberi]

Lesandar;
Нуши и Нуша имају велике везе са лингвистиком и генезом албанског народа. Нуша је говорио ароманским језиком који је и данас 50% албанског а Нуши, његов потомак се спанђао са Турцима и Черкезима.

Ne , nije tako , Nusi niti ima neki znacaj na albanskom jeziku . evo ti i dokaza da nije tako :
http://translate.google.de/#
Ili sumnjam da neko se preziva tako uopce , a 50% kako mislisti apsolutno nije tacno ..Ov
Ne interesujeme za aromane vise gospodine , nek oni sebe dokaze sta imaju , a da ne mene drze lekciju za moje poreklo i za moj jezik .. Nek izvoli sa dokazama , a ne sa ''ha-ha-ha , skipitari''

Ваљда је и теби јасно да Пелазге не можеш да доказујеш писањем из 19. и 20. века, нарочито не одећом коју су носили и Власи и Грци

.
Dakako mogu linguistii danas i 19 vek. da dokazu , inace nebi ni iznali o proslosti bez njih .
Evo jos , gotovo sa svih strane sveta ( predaj se covece ):

Spojler

Evo i u 21 veku

How old is language?
Pennsylvania State University

In 3200 BC, there were many, many languages spoken besides Sumerian and Egyptian, but they weren't fortunate enough to have a writing system. These languages are just as old. To take one interesting case, the Albanian language (spoken north of Greece) was not written down until about the 15th century AD, yet Ptolemy mentions the people in the first century BC.* The linguistic and archaeological evidence suggests that Albanians were a distinct people for even longer than that. So Albanian has probably existed for several millennia, but has only been written down for 500 years. With a twist of fate, Albanian might be considered very "old" and Greek pretty "new"
http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/oldest.html

Jos ?
Ovo isto od 21 veku
Svi jezici na balkanu ( pa i to sto spominjes gore ) poticu iz Albanskog jezika

Spojler

(Old) Albanian - Living legacy of a dead language?

According to the central hypothesis of a project undertaken by the Austrian Science Fund FWF, Old Albanian had a significant influence on the development of many Balkan languages. Intensive research now aims to confirm this theory. This little-known language is being researched using all available texts before a comparison with other Balkan languages is carried out. The outcome of this work will include the compilation of a lexicon providing an overview of all Old Albanian verbs.

Different languages in the same geographical area often reveal certain similarities, despite there being no evidence of a common origin. This phenomenon, known as "Sprachbund", is also evident in the Balkan region where the Albanian, Greek, Bulgarian, Macedonian and Romanian languages display common words and structures. The question is whether these languages have influenced one another, or whether one specific language has been decisive in shaping the evolution of the others?

A project by the Department of Linguistics at the University of Vienna aims to prove that (Old) Albanian was a major influence on the other Balkan languages. Linguist Dr. Stefan Schumacher and his colleague Dr. Joachim Matzinger are undertaking pioneering research in two key areas. The initial stage involves an in-depth examination of Old Albanian, as research into this language is extremely scarce in comparison to modern Albanian. This includes an analysis of the Old Albanian verbal system using all available written sources - the first study of its kind. In the second stage, the results are compared with the verbal systems of the other Balkan languages to establish where similarities occur.Scientific Contact
Dr. Stefan Schumacher
University of Vienna
Institute of Linguistics / Indo-European Studies
Dr.-Karl-Lueger-Ring 1
1010 Wien, Austria
T +43 / 1 / 4277 - 41 753
M +43 / 676 / 79 73 521
stefan.schumacher@univie.ac.at

Austrian Science Fund FWF
Mag. Stefan Bernhardt
Haus der Forschung [/b]
Sensengasse 1
1090 Wien, Austria
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/old-albanian-living-legacy-dead-language-16452.html

Nek dokaze ovako kao i ja mister Lesander , i za ovo takodje :
Ovo je treci link u vezi toga :
Iakovos Thomopulos
iakovo thomopulo
pellazgjika
athine 1912.

Spojler

 

[Istocni Vetar]

Ne , nije tako , Nusi niti ima neki znacaj na albanskom jeziku . evo ti i dokaza da nije tako :
http://translate.google.de/#
Ili sumnjam da neko se preziva tako uopce , a 50% kako mislisti apsolutno nije tacno ..Ov
Ne interesujeme za aromane vise gospodine , nek oni sebe dokaze sta imaju , a da ne mene drze lekciju za moje poreklo i za moj jezik .. Nek izvoli sa dokazama , a ne sa ''ha-ha-ha , skipitari''

.
Dakako mogu linguistii danas i 19 vek. da dokazu , inace nebi ni iznali o proslosti bez njih .
Evo jos , gotovo sa svih strane sveta ( predaj se covece ):

Spojler

Evo i u 21 veku

How old is language?
Pennsylvania State University

In 3200 BC, there were many, many languages spoken besides Sumerian and Egyptian, but they weren't fortunate enough to have a writing system. These languages are just as old. To take one interesting case, the Albanian language (spoken north of Greece) was not written down until about the 15th century AD, yet Ptolemy mentions the people in the first century BC.* The linguistic and archaeological evidence suggests that Albanians were a distinct people for even longer than that. So Albanian has probably existed for several millennia, but has only been written down for 500 years. With a twist of fate, Albanian might be considered very "old" and Greek pretty "new"
http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/oldest.html

Jos ?
Ovo isto od 21 veku
Svi jezici na balkanu ( pa i to sto spominjes gore ) poticu iz Albanskog jezika

Spojler

(Old) Albanian - Living legacy of a dead language?

According to the central hypothesis of a project undertaken by the Austrian Science Fund FWF, Old Albanian had a significant influence on the development of many Balkan languages. Intensive research now aims to confirm this theory. This little-known language is being researched using all available texts before a comparison with other Balkan languages is carried out. The outcome of this work will include the compilation of a lexicon providing an overview of all Old Albanian verbs.

Different languages in the same geographical area often reveal certain similarities, despite there being no evidence of a common origin. This phenomenon, known as "Sprachbund", is also evident in the Balkan region where the Albanian, Greek, Bulgarian, Macedonian and Romanian languages display common words and structures. The question is whether these languages have influenced one another, or whether one specific language has been decisive in shaping the evolution of the others?

A project by the Department of Linguistics at the University of Vienna aims to prove that (Old) Albanian was a major influence on the other Balkan languages. Linguist Dr. Stefan Schumacher and his colleague Dr. Joachim Matzinger are undertaking pioneering research in two key areas. The initial stage involves an in-depth examination of Old Albanian, as research into this language is extremely scarce in comparison to modern Albanian. This includes an analysis of the Old Albanian verbal system using all available written sources - the first study of its kind. In the second stage, the results are compared with the verbal systems of the other Balkan languages to establish where similarities occur.Scientific Contact
Dr. Stefan Schumacher
University of Vienna
Institute of Linguistics / Indo-European Studies
Dr.-Karl-Lueger-Ring 1
1010 Wien, Austria
T +43 / 1 / 4277 - 41 753
M +43 / 676 / 79 73 521
stefan.schumacher@univie.ac.at

Austrian Science Fund FWF
Mag. Stefan Bernhardt
Haus der Forschung [/b]
Sensengasse 1
1090 Wien, Austria
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/old-albanian-living-legacy-dead-language-16452.html

Nek dokaze ovako kao i ja mister Lesander , i za ovo takodje :
Ovo je treci link u vezi toga :
Iakovos Thomopulos
iakovo thomopulo
pellazgjika
athine 1912.

Spojler

Pelazgi i Albanci vode poreklo sa Kavkaza-Kavkaska Albanija i Kavkaska Iberija..
Pelazgi su gruzijskog porekla-dok su Albanci najverovatnije Lezgini..
Dosta lingvista tvrdi da Albanski jezik nije Indo-Evropski jezik..
Grci Atinjani-Baski -i Etrurci su najverovatnije potomci antickih Gruzijaca..

 

[Arberi]

trebas znati vise o pelazgima Istocni , Epir je mesto pelazga .

 

[Istocni Vetar]

trebas znati vise o pelazgima Istocni , Epir je mesto pelazga .

Archaeological excavations during the 20th century have unearthed artifacts in areas traditionally inhabited by the Pelasgians, like Thessaly, Attica and Lemnos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgian

Some European historians of the 19th century (for example, Wilhelm von Humboldt and Paul Kretschmer) as well as Georgian scholars (R. Gordeziani, S. Kaukhchishvili and Z. Gamsakhurdia) came to the conclusion that Proto-Kartvelians might be related linguistically and culturally to the indigenous (pre-Indo-European) peoples of ancient Europe including the Etruscans, Pelasgians and Proto-Basques.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians#Origins

 

[Arberi]

Archaeological excavations during the 20th century have unearthed artifacts in areas traditionally inhabited by the Pelasgians, like Thessaly, Attica and Lemnos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgian

Pelazgi i Albanci vode poreklo sa Kavkaza-Kavkaska Albanija i Kavkaska Iberija..
Pelazgi su gruzijskog porekla-dok su Albanci najverovatnije Lezgini..

u taj isti link sta si postovao sam :
Dakle sam pitas , sam odgovaras

Language

Further information: Aegean languages
In the absence of certain knowledge about the identity (or identities) of the Pelasgians, various theories have been proposed. Some of the more prevalent theories supported by scholarship are presented below. Since Greek is classified as an Indo-European language, the major question of concern is whether Pelasgian was an Indo-European language.

Mani se Wikipedie Istocni

 

[lupusinfabula]

Y- DNA 2007. results:
SRB:ilir.2,1%; slavs10%
CRO:ilir.34%; slavs20%,
MONTENEG:ilir40,3%;slav5,6%
BOSNIAK:ilir 66,8%;slav15%
ALBANI:ilir 30%; slav 20%
Y-DNA razlika od samo 0,2% skupine
je raspon 1000g.
Pa Bog je i nauku dao radi ISTINE..

 

[Sandanski]

Доста си лагао овде!
1877
Зна се да су Албанци дошли са Кавказа!

 

[gost 41715]

Ili ovako
The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present By Edwin E. Jacques

Arberi, Edvin je bio pop.

Znaci, kad ovi krenu u ofanzivu, oni su spremni da pricaju sve sto hoces da cujes, a zapeti ko puska da ti uvale i ono sto neces, pa onda humanitarna pomoc, pa loca, pa...

Mozda je cak covek i verovao u to sto prica ili pise, ali to ne menja cinjenice koliko god neko verovao u nesto.

Znaci, nemoj da se zamajavas za svoje dobro. Lepo sam ti stavljao ovde izvore koji su daleko strucniji od bilo kog od ovih sibicara sto su vam punili glave.

 

[gost 41715]

Haha, a sto moju temu o Albancima nikad niko ne vaskrsne?