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Kakav će biti rezultat pregovora Rusije i Ukrajine?

  • Ukrajina će ispuniti sve ruske zahteve.

    glasova: 46 42,2%
  • Ukrajina će ispuniti samo neke zahteve.

    glasova: 39 35,8%
  • Ukrajina neće ispuniti nijedan zahtev.

    glasova: 24 22,0%

  • Ukupno glasova
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Samo sto mnoge novije nacije negitaju ili izmisljaju istoriju. Ukrajinci su Rusi i to je to. One hoce Rusima da uskrate pravo na te zemlje izmisljajuci neku avoju istoriju i prisvajajuci tudju istoriju.
Centralni i istočni Ukrajinci (većina Ukrajinaca) su genetski skoro identični Rusima iz južne i centralne Rusije, a tamo živi većina Rusa. Zapadni Ukrajinci i severni Rusi nešto odudaraju. Tako su centralni/istočni Ukrajinci bliži genetski južnim/centralnim Rusima nego zapadnim Ukrajincima. A s druge južni/centralni Rusi su bliži centralnim/istočnim Ukrajincima nego severnim Rusima. Zapadni Ukrajinci imaju vlaškog a severni Rusi ugrofinskog upliva, te zato odudaraju od glavnine Ukrajinaca odnosno Rusa. Ukupno gledano Rusi nemaju genetski bližeg naroda od Ukrajinaca i obrnuto.
 
Vi pokatoličeni rasrbljenici čas govorite da je Rusija nacistička, a čas da je komunistička. Jedan od mnogobrojnih pokazatelja vašeg ludila u glavi.

Nisam ja kriv što je kepec otklizao u mix zonu
Iste metode obračuna sa neistomišljenicima,totalitarizam,jednoumlje,jednopartijski sustav etc.....što je Hitler započeo 1939(skupa sa Staljinom) to kepec danas radi.
Problem Srba je uvjek isti....kroz stoljeća se obrazuju na mitovima pa ne vide od stabla šumu.
 
Rusi ostaju bez komandnog kadra brzinom svjetlosti

Putin očajan, ostao bez Dinara
Pogledajte prilog 1133849
Dobro je, tu je Piroška Dinarina



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Da, gajiti neku narodnu svest ili osećanje i jasno se razlikuje od porekla koje ne možeš da promeniš već samo da prihvatiš ili negiraš.
Rusi i Ukrajinci u velikoj meri dele isto ili slično poreklo, ali jezički i istorijski se ipak razlikuju. Ukrajinci su kroz istoriju bili deo država i državnih zajednica kojih Rusi nisu i to je dovodilo i do različitih identitetskih podela.
Zajedničko im je svojatanje istorije Kijevske Rusije koja je opet bila unija više slovenskih plemena pod upravom Vikinga.
Anti-ruski Ukrajinci podsvesno osećaju da je rusko ime njihovo izvorno. To dokazuju tako što Ruse često ne zovu Rusima nego "Moskalivima" (u prevodu Moskovljacima). To je zato što smatraju da su oni pravi Rusi, a oni iz Rusije su neki polu Azijati koji su im ukrali ime te ih zato zovu po Moskvi. Prvo da su Ukrajinci Rusi je tačno, a to što dehumanizuju Ruse odnosno Moskalive kako ih zovu tvrdeći da su oni polu Azijati je besmislica.
 

Putin Is Right. Ukraine Does Have A Nazi Problem​


Since this war in Ukraine broke out in late February of 2022, there has been much whitewashing and undermining being done in regards to the presence of the far-Right in Ukraine, and their power. In this article, we would like to present facts that demonstrate how the ultra-nationalists in Ukraine do indeed have a significant presence in the country.


The first argument that comes up is that the president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is Jewish. Fair point. What we are arguing here is not that all Ukrainians are Nazis or ultra-nationalists (nobody is arguing this), or that even most are, but that enough are. Enough to be dangerous. This is attested by the fact that Zelensky pays lip service to Ukraine’s racist and murderous national heroes, such as Andrei Melnik and (the most famous of all) Stepan Bandera. It was Melnik who declared in 1939 that his aim was (in his words) “the final annihilation of the common enemy.” (p. 197) The German Nazi general, Wilhelm Canaris wrote about using the Melnik’s (or Mel’nyk’s) paramilitary, the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) to annihilate both the Jews and th Poles: “I would have to make appropriate preparations with the Ukrainians so that … the Mel’nyk Organization (OUN) can produce an uprising which would aim at the annihilation of the Jews and Poles.” (p.205) Melnik’s (and Bandera’s) OUN would join the Nazis and become a German unit called the Nachitgall Battalion, and they would create tremendous horror. As Saul Friedman wrote:


“During the first three days of July 1941, the Nachtigall Battalion, composed almost entirely of Ukrainians under the direction of the Gestapo, slaughtered seven thousand Jews in the vicinity of Lwow (Lemberg). Before their execution, Jewish professors, lawyers and doctors were made to lick all the steps of four story buildings and to carry garbage in their mouths from house to house. Then forced to run a gauntlet of men wearing blue and gold armbands (coincidentally the colors of the Petlurist Republic), they were bayonetted to death in what was officially termed Aktion Petliura.” (Piotrowski, Poland’s Holocaust, ch. 7 p. 208)

According to Wiktor Poliszczuk, in the first days of the German occupation of Poland, OUN leaflets were disseminated, calling for the extermination of Jews and Poles: “Exterminate the Poles, Jews and communists without mercy. Do not pity the enemies of the Ukrainian National Revolution!” “Nation, know that Moscow, Poland, Magyars [Hungarians], Jews are your enemies! Annihilate them!” (Ibid, P. 209) In July 6th of 1946, Melnik wrote a letter to Hitler pledging his full allegiance to the Reich: “We request that we be allowed to march shoulder to shoulder with the legions of Europe and with our liberator, the German Wehrmacht, and therefore we ask to be permitted to create a Ukrainian military formation.” On July 10th, just four days later, Melnik’s OUN declared to Hitler its “most loyal obedience” in creating a Europe “free of Jews, Bolsheviks, and plutocrats.” (Ibid, pp. 213-214) A German eyewitness in Zloczow, Tarnopol province, recounted a massacre that he saw done by Stepan Bandera’s men:


“[July 3, 1941] I saw that in the ditches, about 5 meters deep and 20 meters wide, stood and lay about 60-80 men, women, and children, predominantly Jewish. I heard the wailing and screaming of the children and women, hand grenades were bursting in their midst . Beyond the ditches waited many hundreds of people for execution. In front of the ditches stood 10-20 men in civilian clothes, who were throwing grenades into the ditch. … I found out from the SS soldiers, that they were Bandera’s people.” (Ibid p. 220)

But, Ukraine’s president Zelensky will pay lip service to the murderers of Jews. In fact, it was agreed that Zelensky would have a mausoleum in dedication to the heroes of Ukraine, including Bandera and Melnik, as we read in one report:


“In Ukraine, it is proposed to create a national pantheon of heroes and transfer the remains of Stepan Bandera and Symon Petlyura, as well as nationalists Andrei Melnik and Yevgeny Konovalets. The corresponding appeal to President Volodymyr Zelensky was accepted by the deputies of the Ternopil Regional Council.”

Zelensky knows that he has to appeal to those who still revere Bandera, and thats why he said: “There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine.” But even Zelensky admits that there are too many streets named after Bandera: “But I think that when we name so many streets, bridges by the same name, this is not quite right”. So, while Zelensky pays lip service to the Banderites, he also admits that the many streets named after Bandera is excessive. The fact that Zelensky — a Jew — calls Bandera — a murderer of Jews — a hero, is a sign that there are enough people in Ukraine who revere Bandera that the president himself has to say pleasant things about him. And, the fact that there are too many streets named after Bandera, is an indication of this culture of reverence for this mass murderer. Ergo, Ukraine has a Nazi problem.


Since this war in Ukraine broke out in late February of 2022, there has been much whitewashing and undermining being done in regards to the presence of the far-Right in Ukraine, and their significance. In this article, we would like to present facts that demonstrate how the ultra-nationalists in Ukraine do indeed have a significant presence in the country.


The US invasion of Iraq sparked a rise in Islamic fundamentalism and really pulled the covers off an underlying Islamist problem in the Middle East. Similarly, Russia’s war in Ukraine provided perfect propaganda fodder for recruitment to far-Right paramilitaries, and also blew the lid off a latent Nazi presence within the country. One can see how Ukraine’s far-Right, once the Russians had taken Crimea and facilitated a separatist war in the Donbas, went from being a fringe movement to a significant political movement. For example, on May 25th of 2014, far-Right activist Ihor Mosiychuk was elected into the Kiev City Council.https://shoebat.com/2022/03/12/putin-is-right-ukraine-does-have-a-nazi-problem/
 
Anti-ruski Ukrajinci podsvesno osećaju da je rusko ime njihovo izvorno. To dokazuju tako što Ruse često ne zovu Rusima nego "Moskalivima" (u prevodu Moskovljacima). To je zato što smatraju da su oni pravi Rusi, a oni iz Rusije su neki polu Azijati koji su im ukrali ime te ih zato zovu po Moskvi. Prvo da su Ukrajinci Rusi je tačno, a to što dehumanizuju Ruse odnosno Moskalive kako ih zovu tvrdeći da su oni polu Azijati je besmislica.
Moskaljima su se danasnji Rusi nazivali do prije 400 godina.
 

Putin Is Right. Ukraine Does Have A Nazi Problem​


Since this war in Ukraine broke out in late February of 2022, there has been much whitewashing and undermining being done in regards to the presence of the far-Right in Ukraine, and their power. In this article, we would like to present facts that demonstrate how the ultra-nationalists in Ukraine do indeed have a significant presence in the country.


The first argument that comes up is that the president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is Jewish. Fair point. What we are arguing here is not that all Ukrainians are Nazis or ultra-nationalists (nobody is arguing this), or that even most are, but that enough are. Enough to be dangerous. This is attested by the fact that Zelensky pays lip service to Ukraine’s racist and murderous national heroes, such as Andrei Melnik and (the most famous of all) Stepan Bandera. It was Melnik who declared in 1939 that his aim was (in his words) “the final annihilation of the common enemy.” (p. 197) The German Nazi general, Wilhelm Canaris wrote about using the Melnik’s (or Mel’nyk’s) paramilitary, the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) to annihilate both the Jews and th Poles: “I would have to make appropriate preparations with the Ukrainians so that … the Mel’nyk Organization (OUN) can produce an uprising which would aim at the annihilation of the Jews and Poles.” (p.205) Melnik’s (and Bandera’s) OUN would join the Nazis and become a German unit called the Nachitgall Battalion, and they would create tremendous horror. As Saul Friedman wrote:




According to Wiktor Poliszczuk, in the first days of the German occupation of Poland, OUN leaflets were disseminated, calling for the extermination of Jews and Poles: “Exterminate the Poles, Jews and communists without mercy. Do not pity the enemies of the Ukrainian National Revolution!” “Nation, know that Moscow, Poland, Magyars [Hungarians], Jews are your enemies! Annihilate them!” (Ibid, P. 209) In July 6th of 1946, Melnik wrote a letter to Hitler pledging his full allegiance to the Reich: “We request that we be allowed to march shoulder to shoulder with the legions of Europe and with our liberator, the German Wehrmacht, and therefore we ask to be permitted to create a Ukrainian military formation.” On July 10th, just four days later, Melnik’s OUN declared to Hitler its “most loyal obedience” in creating a Europe “free of Jews, Bolsheviks, and plutocrats.” (Ibid, pp. 213-214) A German eyewitness in Zloczow, Tarnopol province, recounted a massacre that he saw done by Stepan Bandera’s men:




But, Ukraine’s president Zelensky will pay lip service to the murderers of Jews. In fact, it was agreed that Zelensky would have a mausoleum in dedication to the heroes of Ukraine, including Bandera and Melnik, as we read in one report:




Zelensky knows that he has to appeal to those who still revere Bandera, and thats why he said: “There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine.” But even Zelensky admits that there are too many streets named after Bandera: “But I think that when we name so many streets, bridges by the same name, this is not quite right”. So, while Zelensky pays lip service to the Banderites, he also admits that the many streets named after Bandera is excessive. The fact that Zelensky — a Jew — calls Bandera — a murderer of Jews — a hero, is a sign that there are enough people in Ukraine who revere Bandera that the president himself has to say pleasant things about him. And, the fact that there are too many streets named after Bandera, is an indication of this culture of reverence for this mass murderer. Ergo, Ukraine has a Nazi problem.


Since this war in Ukraine broke out in late February of 2022, there has been much whitewashing and undermining being done in regards to the presence of the far-Right in Ukraine, and their significance. In this article, we would like to present facts that demonstrate how the ultra-nationalists in Ukraine do indeed have a significant presence in the country.


The US invasion of Iraq sparked a rise in Islamic fundamentalism and really pulled the covers off an underlying Islamist problem in the Middle East. Similarly, Russia’s war in Ukraine provided perfect propaganda fodder for recruitment to far-Right paramilitaries, and also blew the lid off a latent Nazi presence within the country. One can see how Ukraine’s far-Right, once the Russians had taken Crimea and facilitated a separatist war in the Donbas, went from being a fringe movement to a significant political movement. For example, on May 25th of 2014, far-Right activist Ihor Mosiychuk was elected into the Kiev City Council.https://shoebat.com/2022/03/12/putin-is-right-ukraine-does-have-a-nazi-problem/
Ništa manji nego Rusi.
 
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