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Da li će doći do sukoba izmedju Rusije i NATO ako Ukrajina raketama gadja u dubini Rusije?

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Watchman:
Tajms je iznenada shvatio da prekid isporuke ruskog gasa istočnoj Evropi od strane ukrajinskog režima podiže cene gasa u Velikoj Britaniji.
List izražava duboko saosećanje sa britanskim penzionerima koji su od ove zime izgubili subvencije za grejanje i više ne mogu sebi da priušte takav luksuz.
Tajms navodi primer jednog starijeg para koji je ove zime prvi put upalio grejanje u svom jednosobnom stanu na samo sat vremena kada su spoljne temperature pale ispod -10°C. Par se žali da su nakon ukidanja subvencija prinuđeni da spavaju u toploj odeći, oslanjajući se na toplinu svoja dva psa koji spavaju pored njih. U suprotnom, ne bi imali dovoljno novca za hranu.

Mogli bi da pojedu pse, pa bi im ostalo za grejanje

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Ruski Telegram, Fighterbomber:

In light of the enemy's emergence of BEKs that have learned to successfully use missiles with the Air-to-Air homing system, the situation on the "Black Sea" has changed dramatically, not in our favor. It changed in one day.
Now we can essentially destroy BEKs only during the day, in good weather, using jet aircraft, attack aircraft and fighters. And not just good, but I would say very good weather with a high lower edge of clouds.
Perhaps we will try to use Ka-52s with life eggs, but both the first and second options will be used until the first losses.
At the moment, the surface fleet is not able to protect itself from BEKs on the open sea. Or rather, it is not able to effectively defend itself. With varying success, it can protect itself in bays and at bases.
Accordingly, with the knocking out (possibly temporary) of the helicopter component, we (and essentially no one) cannot ensure the safety of civilian shipping at sea.

If anyone has forgotten, I will remind you. The BEK is essentially a jet ski that can fly at speeds of up to a hundred km/h, on which any type of weapons and electronic warfare that it can carry can be installed. We already have BEKs in the air defense version with missiles and automatic machine gun turrets. We can expect the appearance of BEKs carrying drones, electronic warfare systems and MLRS missiles.

Due to its speed and maneuverability, it is almost impossible to hit a BEK with a drone, as well as with emergency drops. The same with ATGMs. And where to launch them from? It doesn’t work from a helicopter, it gets blown away by the air flow from the propeller. Plus, helicopters are now being shot down. From the shore, it won’t fly far. From a ship? Well, maybe only from a ship that is on the shore. And given the inevitable appearance of BEKs that will be in the electronic warfare version, if by some miracle the BEK drones, or just drones, can show some effectiveness, then the evening will cease to be languid. Today, we can state that the mosquito fleet strategy has completely defeated the strategy of a large fleet in the Black Sea.
It's just that BEKs, not small ships and boats, are used as strike and support assets. This won't fly in the ocean yet, but it's a matter of a couple of years. It's obvious that the same thing will happen there. And underwater drones will be added as soon as the issue of their remote control under water is resolved.
The most interesting thing is that this tactic was assumed in Laos and some military even tried to push through and develop it long before the SVO. Many years before.
But it was not possible to defeat the gas generators either then or now.

Perhaps the problem with BEKs will be temporarily solved when they learn to jam the BEK control frequencies, maybe the frequencies of Starlink or other communication satellites. But in three years of the SVO, neither side has been able to do this effectively.
And fiber optic control is also developing rapidly. Other types of communication are being urgently tested. We can talk about attack drones with anti-back-up weapons, but today no one has them. Only in theory.
So the battle at sea has moved to a new level.
And we, with the exclusion of our helicopters from this equation, "suddenly" moved into the position of catching up.

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Bokisha011:
Kada je Ukrajina uzela skoro 10000 kvadratnih kilometara onda ste pričali kako se to Rusija sa ciljem povlači kako bi pustili Ukrajince da ginu.
Sada vidimo da Rusija trpi strahovite gubitke, a pritom nisu povratili ni 50% teritorije koju je Ukrajina oslobodila od Mordora još u prvoj velikoj uspešnoj kontraoofanzivi.
Osvojiti 4168km kvadratna od 600000 uz ovolike gubitke samo pokazuje da je Ukrajinu nemoguće osvojiti.
Putin se žestoko zeznuo i ima dva izbora.

Prvi izbor je da i dalje ratuje u nadi da će nešto konkretno uspeti, što se naravno neće desiti.

Drugi izbor je da prizna poraz i da se povuče iz rata kao gubitnik što naravno znači gubitak rata, vlasti, novca i moći sa kojim se njegov diktatotski ego hrani.
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Da ti opet ponovim

Znaci da je ukraina na celu sa amerikom, nato, evropom, milijardanama bacenih dolara, najsavremenijim naoruzanjem i oruzme to izgubila.

Sto pre prihvatis bolnu cinjenicu bice ti lakse
 
Bokisha011:
Kada je Ukrajina uzela skoro 10000 kvadratnih kilometara onda ste pričali kako se to Rusija sa ciljem povlači kako bi pustili Ukrajince da ginu.
Sada vidimo da Rusija trpi strahovite gubitke, a pritom nisu povratili ni 50% teritorije koju je Ukrajina oslobodila od Mordora još u prvoj velikoj uspešnoj kontraoofanzivi.
Osvojiti 4168km kvadratna od 600000 uz ovolike gubitke samo pokazuje da je Ukrajinu nemoguće osvojiti.
Putin se žestoko zeznuo i ima dva izbora.

Prvi izbor je da i dalje ratuje u nadi da će nešto konkretno uspeti, što se naravno neće desiti.

Drugi izbor je da prizna poraz i da se povuče iz rata kao gubitnik što naravno znači gubitak rata, vlasti, novca i moći sa kojim se njegov diktatotski ego hrani.
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psssst!:
Mislis da ce se Ukrajinci vratiti u Bahmut i Mariupolj?
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Mislio je i da će vratiti i Krim, koliko li su uplaćivali za žurku? :D
 
Frtajler:
Taman pokrpali dramatično razvaljenju 810. brigadu, kao ono opet skrk, moramo krpati ispočetka.
Tako je to kad ideš okupirati tuđu državu.
Ups, ovo im se dešava u vlastitoj.
Znači klasičan FAFO princip.
Zamisli da ti je netko u 2022 rekao da će Ukri američkin raketama masovno ubijati ruske vojnike u Rusiji: ja bih prvi rekao da nije normalan. I zaebo bih se strašno, jer teško možeš pojmiti kakvi su Ukrajinci neuništive budale: naivni Putin se na krive namjerio.
Inače, nema boljeg trenutka da Moldavija uspostavi državni integritet na cijelom svom međunarodno priznatom teritoriju.
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Mislim da ce tvoje misljenje biti presudno. Ako pokusaju, bice "uspostavljeni" kao i Ukrajinci na Krimu.
 
Frtajler:
Ruski Telegram, Fighterbomber:

In light of the enemy's emergence of BEKs that have learned to successfully use missiles with the Air-to-Air homing system, the situation on the "Black Sea" has changed dramatically, not in our favor. It changed in one day.
Now we can essentially destroy BEKs only during the day, in good weather, using jet aircraft, attack aircraft and fighters. And not just good, but I would say very good weather with a high lower edge of clouds.
Perhaps we will try to use Ka-52s with life eggs, but both the first and second options will be used until the first losses.
At the moment, the surface fleet is not able to protect itself from BEKs on the open sea. Or rather, it is not able to effectively defend itself. With varying success, it can protect itself in bays and at bases.
Accordingly, with the knocking out (possibly temporary) of the helicopter component, we (and essentially no one) cannot ensure the safety of civilian shipping at sea.

If anyone has forgotten, I will remind you. The BEK is essentially a jet ski that can fly at speeds of up to a hundred km/h, on which any type of weapons and electronic warfare that it can carry can be installed. We already have BEKs in the air defense version with missiles and automatic machine gun turrets. We can expect the appearance of BEKs carrying drones, electronic warfare systems and MLRS missiles.

Due to its speed and maneuverability, it is almost impossible to hit a BEK with a drone, as well as with emergency drops. The same with ATGMs. And where to launch them from? It doesn’t work from a helicopter, it gets blown away by the air flow from the propeller. Plus, helicopters are now being shot down. From the shore, it won’t fly far. From a ship? Well, maybe only from a ship that is on the shore. And given the inevitable appearance of BEKs that will be in the electronic warfare version, if by some miracle the BEK drones, or just drones, can show some effectiveness, then the evening will cease to be languid. Today, we can state that the mosquito fleet strategy has completely defeated the strategy of a large fleet in the Black Sea.
It's just that BEKs, not small ships and boats, are used as strike and support assets. This won't fly in the ocean yet, but it's a matter of a couple of years. It's obvious that the same thing will happen there. And underwater drones will be added as soon as the issue of their remote control under water is resolved.
The most interesting thing is that this tactic was assumed in Laos and some military even tried to push through and develop it long before the SVO. Many years before.
But it was not possible to defeat the gas generators either then or now.

Perhaps the problem with BEKs will be temporarily solved when they learn to jam the BEK control frequencies, maybe the frequencies of Starlink or other communication satellites. But in three years of the SVO, neither side has been able to do this effectively.
And fiber optic control is also developing rapidly. Other types of communication are being urgently tested. We can talk about attack drones with anti-back-up weapons, but today no one has them. Only in theory.
So the battle at sea has moved to a new level.
And we, with the exclusion of our helicopters from this equation, "suddenly" moved into the position of catching up.

:ok:
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psssst!:
Načelnik štaba operativne komande Oružanih snaga Ukrajine "Zapad", pukovnik Oleksander Selnicki umro je pod "nepoznatim okolnostima". Dosao mu Kursk glave.
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Garant ga srce otkinulo, pa nije lako nositi na dusi 50k vojnika, zarad selfia kradje zvaka iz marketa.

On i gazda mu ostace upamceni kao vodje najgluplje vojne operacije u istoriji ratovanja
 
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