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Da li će doći do sukoba izmedju Rusije i NATO ako Ukrajina raketama gadja u dubini Rusije?

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LakicevicB:
Nazovi Putina, ili pošalji email i lepo ovo kopiraj, nauči ih kad već ne znaju
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Djura Nikolajevic:
Ukrajinska flota od 5-6 camaca od toga dva na naduvavanje. Mozda si 90-ih jos piskio u gace pa ne znas da im nije ostalo skoro nista od zajednicke flote.
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Ti si već poznat ovdje kao neko ko pojma nema o Ukrajini i općenito o tome šta se tamo dešava, iako si u kasnim 80 tim, tako da me nimalo ne iznenađuje šta pišeš.

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Raketa Orešnik, opremljena MIRV bojevom glavom - 6-8 bojevih glava, od kojih svaka nosi po 6 samonavođenih kasetnih projektila - salva od ukupno 36 projektila koji padaju hipersoničnom brzinom, streptomicin za Patriot i ostale ABM/PRO sisteme:

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On Thursday, the Ukrainian city of Dnipro was hit by a Russian air strike which eyewitnesses described as unusual, triggering explosions that went on for three hours.

The attack included a strike by a missile so powerful that in the aftermath Ukrainian officials said it bore the characteristics of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

Western officials were quick to deny this, saying that such a strike would have triggered a nuclear alert in the US.

Hours after the strike, Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a TV address, said that Russia had launched a "new conventional intermediate-range" missile with the codename Oreshnik, meaning hazel tree in Russian.

Putin said that the weapon travelled at a speed of Mach 10, or 2.5-3km per second (10 times the speed of sound), adding that "there are currently no ways of counteracting this weapon".

He said that a major military-industrial site in Dnipro, used to manufacture missiles and other armaments, had been hit. He described the attack as a test which was "successful" because the "target was reached".

Speaking a day later to senior defence officials, he said tests of the missile would continue, "including in combat conditions".

Putin's description of the weapon notwithstanding, there seems to be no clear consensus about what it actually is.

Ukrainian military intelligence maintains that the missile is a new type of ICBM known as Kedr (cedar). They say it was travelling at Mach 11 and took 15 minutes to arrive from the launch site, more than 1,000km (620 miles) away in the Astrakhan region of Russia.

They said the missile was equipped with six warheads, each with six sub-munitions.

This assumption is backed up by BBC Verify's examination of video footage of the strike. Most of it is blurry or of poor quality, but it clearly shows six flashes against the night sky, each comprised of a cluster of six individual projectiles.

The location that was hit is an industrial area to the southwest of Dnipro city.

Why is speed important?​

If Putin's description is correct, the missile is at the upper edge of the definition of hypersonic, and few things can achieve this.

Speed is important because the faster a missile travels, the quicker it gets to target. The quicker it gets to target, the less time a defending military has to react.
A ballistic missile generally gets to target by following an arcing path up into the atmosphere and a similar one down towards its destination.

But as it descends, it picks up speed and gains kinetic energy, and more kinetic energy gives it more options. This allows it to manoeuvre down towards the target - by performing some kind of defending wriggle - that makes interception by surface-to-air missile systems (such as Ukraine's US-built Patriot defence missile system) particularly difficult.

This is not new for militaries that have to defend against such threats of course, but the greater the speed, the harder it becomes.

That is why Putin has likely placed emphasis on its speed in announcing this new type of missile.

What is the new missile's range?​

Russian military expert Ilya Kramnik told Russian newspaper Izvestiya it is likely that the new missile, whose development has been classified until now, is at the upper end of medium-range missiles.
'It is likely that we are dealing with a new generation of Russian intermediate-range missiles [with a range of] 2,500-3,000km (1,550-1,860 miles) and potentially extending to 5,000km (3,100 miles), but not intercontinental," he says.

This could put almost the whole of Europe within range, but not the US.

"It is obviously equipped with a separating warhead with individual guidance units," Kramnik added.

He suggested that it could be a reduced version of the Yars-M missile complex, which is an ICBM.

Russia was reported to have started production of a new version of this missile complex last year which included much more mobile independent warheads.
Another expert, Dmitry Kornev, told the paper the Oreshnik could have been created on the basis of the shorter-range Iskander missiles - already commonly used on Ukraine - but with a new-generation engine.

An Iskander with an enlarged engine was used at the Kapustin Yar test site in southern Russia last spring, he said, adding that this may well have been the Oreshnik. Thursday's missile was fired into Ukraine from the same site.

How effective could it be?​

Military analyst Vladislav Shurygin told Izvestiya that the Oreshnik was capable of overcoming any existing modern missile defence systems.

It could also destroy well-protected bunkers at great depths without using a nuclear warhead, he said, although there is no evidence of underground facilities being destroyed at the Dnipro plant.
Another Russian analyst, Igor Korotchenko, told Tass news agency the missile had multiple independently guided warheads, adding that the "practically simultaneous arrival of the warheads at the target" was extremely effective.

Justin Crump, CEO and founder of the risk advisory company Sibylline, told BBC Verify that the missile had the capacity to seriously challenge Ukraine's air defences.
"Russia’s short range ballistic missiles have been one of the more potent threats to Ukraine in this conflict," he said. "Faster, more advanced systems would increase that an order of magnitude."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg07zw9vj1o

@Mej bregami: da li ipak ne misliš da tri sata sekundarnih detonacija u Južmašu posle udara možda i zavređuje utrošak jedne IRBM? Biće zanimljivo videti bateriju Patriota pod par komada ovakvih, 72 samonavođene bojeve glave ukupno…
 
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Raketa Orešnik, opremljena MIRV bojevom glavom - 6-8 bojevih glava, od kojih svaka nosi po 6 samonavođenih kasetnih projektila - salva od ukupno 36 projektila koji padaju hipersoničnom brzinom, streptomicin za Patriot i ostale ABM/PRO sisteme:

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On Thursday, the Ukrainian city of Dnipro was hit by a Russian air strike which eyewitnesses described as unusual, triggering explosions that went on for three hours.

The attack included a strike by a missile so powerful that in the aftermath Ukrainian officials said it bore the characteristics of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

Western officials were quick to deny this, saying that such a strike would have triggered a nuclear alert in the US.

Hours after the strike, Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a TV address, said that Russia had launched a "new conventional intermediate-range" missile with the codename Oreshnik, meaning hazel tree in Russian.

Putin said that the weapon travelled at a speed of Mach 10, or 2.5-3km per second (10 times the speed of sound), adding that "there are currently no ways of counteracting this weapon".

He said that a major military-industrial site in Dnipro, used to manufacture missiles and other armaments, had been hit. He described the attack as a test which was "successful" because the "target was reached".

Speaking a day later to senior defence officials, he said tests of the missile would continue, "including in combat conditions".

Putin's description of the weapon notwithstanding, there seems to be no clear consensus about what it actually is.

Ukrainian military intelligence maintains that the missile is a new type of ICBM known as Kedr (cedar). They say it was travelling at Mach 11 and took 15 minutes to arrive from the launch site, more than 1,000km (620 miles) away in the Astrakhan region of Russia.

They said the missile was equipped with six warheads, each with six sub-munitions.

This assumption is backed up by BBC Verify's examination of video footage of the strike. Most of it is blurry or of poor quality, but it clearly shows six flashes against the night sky, each comprised of a cluster of six individual projectiles.

The location that was hit is an industrial area to the southwest of Dnipro city.

Why is speed important?​

If Putin's description is correct, the missile is at the upper edge of the definition of hypersonic, and few things can achieve this.

Speed is important because the faster a missile travels, the quicker it gets to target. The quicker it gets to target, the less time a defending military has to react.
A ballistic missile generally gets to target by following an arcing path up into the atmosphere and a similar one down towards its destination.

But as it descends, it picks up speed and gains kinetic energy, and more kinetic energy gives it more options. This allows it to manoeuvre down towards the target - by performing some kind of defending wriggle - that makes interception by surface-to-air missile systems (such as Ukraine's US-built Patriot defence missile system) particularly difficult.

This is not new for militaries that have to defend against such threats of course, but the greater the speed, the harder it becomes.

That is why Putin has likely placed emphasis on its speed in announcing this new type of missile.

What is the new missile's range?​

Russian military expert Ilya Kramnik told Russian newspaper Izvestiya it is likely that the new missile, whose development has been classified until now, is at the upper end of medium-range missiles.
'It is likely that we are dealing with a new generation of Russian intermediate-range missiles [with a range of] 2,500-3,000km (1,550-1,860 miles) and potentially extending to 5,000km (3,100 miles), but not intercontinental," he says.

This could put almost the whole of Europe within range, but not the US.

"It is obviously equipped with a separating warhead with individual guidance units," Kramnik added.

He suggested that it could be a reduced version of the Yars-M missile complex, which is an ICBM.

Russia was reported to have started production of a new version of this missile complex last year which included much more mobile independent warheads.
Another expert, Dmitry Kornev, told the paper the Oreshnik could have been created on the basis of the shorter-range Iskander missiles - already commonly used on Ukraine - but with a new-generation engine.

An Iskander with an enlarged engine was used at the Kapustin Yar test site in southern Russia last spring, he said, adding that this may well have been the Oreshnik. Thursday's missile was fired into Ukraine from the same site.

How effective could it be?​

Military analyst Vladislav Shurygin told Izvestiya that the Oreshnik was capable of overcoming any existing modern missile defence systems.

It could also destroy well-protected bunkers at great depths without using a nuclear warhead, he said, although there is no evidence of underground facilities being destroyed at the Dnipro plant.
Another Russian analyst, Igor Korotchenko, told Tass news agency the missile had multiple independently guided warheads, adding that the "practically simultaneous arrival of the warheads at the target" was extremely effective.

Justin Crump, CEO and founder of the risk advisory company Sibylline, told BBC Verify that the missile had the capacity to seriously challenge Ukraine's air defences.
"Russia’s short range ballistic missiles have been one of the more potent threats to Ukraine in this conflict," he said. "Faster, more advanced systems would increase that an order of magnitude."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg07zw9vj1o

@Mej bregami: da li ipak ne misliš da tri sata sekundarnih detonacija u Južmašu posle udara možda i zavređuje utrošak jedne IRBM? Biće zanimljivo videti bateriju Patriota pod par komada ovakvih, 72 samonavođene bojeve glave ukupno…
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Patriot ne može oboriti ništa osim prozora na 15 katu
I puno slabije rakete od ove uopće ne registrira radarom
 
LakicevicB:
Usro se mali zeleni firer

"Zelenski Zapadu: Odgovorite čvrsto i odlučno"
"Zelenski odgovorio Putinu i poslao poruku Zapadu: "Testira vas, morate snažno reagirati""
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Како год окренеш, "снажне реакције" Запада заврше се новом партијом батина по укро леђима. зеленфирер је прави мазохиста.
 
Mej bregami:
O ne, Rus uporno uvjerava zapad da bi se zapravo trebali bojati i tresti od straha. Nitko ne razumije što on to govori.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859873210382123490
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Samo tri Orešnika sa termonuklearnim punjenjem su dovoljna da ne ostane više niko živ u cijeloj Velikoj Britaniji.
Čitava tisućugodišnja povijest i kultura zbrisani u sekundi.

Orešnik je novo oružje koje im je Putin upravo pokazao, balistička raketa srednjeg dometa.
Brzina mu je 10 Macha - hipersonična. Ne može se nikako presresti.
 
Agafja:
Samo tri Orešnika sa termonuklearnim punjenjem su dovoljna da ne ostane više niko živ u cijeloj Velikoj Britaniji.
Čitava tisućugodišnja povijest i kultura zbrisani u sekundi.

Orešnik je novo oružje koje im je Putin upravo pokazao, balistička raketa srednjeg dometa.
Brzina mu je 10 Macha - hipersonična. Ne može se nikako presresti.
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Shtovana kolegice, i da leti 200 maha, to Oriks presretne prije nego trepneš

Cak ❌ i gotovo
 
KESH:
Shtovana kolegice, i da leti 200 maha, to Oriks presretne prije nego trepneš

Cak ❌ i gotovo
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Čitav je narativ priča da je Zapad siguran i da im Rusija ne može ništa.

Nije mi jasno zašto provociraju III svj. rat, ako i jedni i drugi mogu uništiti drugu stranu. Zar su toliko glupi?

Možda im je sad jasnije, nakon što im je Putin pokazao Orešnika.
 
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