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The West Is Lighting the Fuse of War

Paul Craig Roberts

The Western media is a lie machine. Western governments live in a make-believe world of their own impunity. Consequently, the Western people lack awareness of the dangerous situation that Washington has created with Russia.

The so-called “peace conference” in Switzerland was a fraud. Russia was not included, so how was it a peace conference? It was a propaganda event to rally support around Washington’s puppet, Zelensky, whose term has expired and who is ruling illegitimately as a dictator. Many of the attendees refused to sign the statement.

Here is a true description of the situation. The West is acting in behalf of the war continuing and expanding. The puppet’s term has expired and Zelensky continues in office despite not being reelected. The Western trained and equipped Ukrainian military has been defeated. At any time Russia can increase the offensive and clear Ukrainian forces from the Russian populated areas that have been reincorporated into Russia. The West’s response to its lost war consists of two reckless and irresponsible actions. One is to send NATO troops, with the French being the opening wedge, to replace the depleted Ukrainian troops. The other is to further provoke the Kremlin by firing longer range missiles into Russia.

Putin and important members of the Russian government have indicated that if necessary Russian troops will move into areas beyond the re-established border of Russia, stating that the longer the range of the missiles the deeper into Ukraine the buffer region will be.

It is unclear why Washington provoked the conflict between Ukraine and Russia as it was obvious that Ukraine had no chance of winning and as the war was certain to unite the Russian people behind Putin and to destroy any trust of the West in the Kremlin. Most importantly, the West ignored that it was forcing an existential threat upon Russia. The Kremlin is convinced that the West intends Russia’s destruction.

Putin’s intention after his deception by the West with the Minsk Agreement, was only to drive Ukrainian forces out of the Russian areas that have now been reincorporated into Russia. Apparently Putin did not realize the extent to which the West would involve itself and expand the war. Now that Putin faces an outbreak of a larger war, he clearly stated the conditions for ending the conflict. He said that Russian military action will cease when the remaining Ukrainian forces are withdrawn from the Russian populated areas that have been reunited with Russia and when Ukraine agrees that the country will not become a member of NATO or have foreign bases and missiles on its territory. These are reasonable and generous terms.

If these terms are refused, Ukraine faces further conquest and harsher future conditions for ending the conflict.

When Ukraine was broken off from Russia following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russian provinces which Soviet leaders had attached to Ukraine should have been left in Russia. Whether or not this was a failure of foresight or malicious intent, it was a mistake that resulted in a conflict that has the potential of engulfing the world.

The difference between the 20th century Cold War and the 21st century hot war is that in the Cold War era the US and Soviet leadership, understanding the fatal nature of nuclear weapons, were committed to reducing tensions and building trust, whereas in the 21st century only Russia has sought mutual understanding and mutual security. Washington has fomented conflict and raised an existential threat to Russia by expanding NATO to Russia’s borders and overthrowing governments of former Russian provinces.

To avoid war Putin has accepted continuing provocations and insults. But now faced with such reckless and irresponsible proposals as NATO troops in Ukraine and missiles hitting deep into Russia, Putin has made one last effort to state conditions for ending the conflict. The conditions are immensely better than the outbreak of conflict that would destroy Europe and the United States.

The danger today is much worse than the Cuban Missile Crisis. In those days Washington recognized the danger. Today Washington does not. President John F. Kennedy realized that the US had provoked Soviet missiles in Cuba by placing US missiles in Turkey. Kennedy and Khrushchev made a mutual security agreement and both removed the missiles.

Putin’s diplomatic effort during December 2021 and February 2022 for a mutual security agreement was cold-shouldered by Washington, NATO, and the EU. With the outbreak of major war looming, Biden has still not met with Putin. Instead, Biden has provoked animosity by calling Putin the new Hitler. This is an unprecedented level or reckless irresponsibility.

The question before us is: Will Putin continue to accept provocations in hope that a change in the Washington regime in the November election will permit the West to come to its senses, or is Serbian President Vucic correct that the train has left the station?

As the Western world lacks a truthful media, the people might be indoctrinated with the “Russian threat.” Even if the people realize that the threat is Washington’s pressure on Russia, the people are impotent to affect government policy. Among the Western governments, public opinion is something to be manipulated, not something to which to listen.

I believe the West has convinced Putin that the West intends war. Not even Putin has an endless amount of patience. Instead of recognizing the dangerous situation and sitting down with Putin to defuse the situation, the West is lighting the fuse.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/06/18/the-west-is-lighting-the-fuse-of-war/
 
Jbt, ova loopeta gore nego ustaška bojna na krsti.
Čuj, 522 tenka...
Zaboravila da kaže da je to bilo u igrici... :mazi:
I ova gađala tenkove teglama krastavaca, kiselina nagrizla

Cracks Me Up Steve Harvey GIF by ABC Network
 
Не пратим баш нешто детаљно ову трагедију. Могуће да си у праву. Користили су се доста током украјинске контраофанзиве, за одбијање напада. Можда има везе са тиме што оваква, мање-више, дефинисана и покривена линија фронта није баш најпогоднија за њихову употребу. Тешко могу неког да изненаде, па су самим тим лака мета за пво.

Ukrajinski pzo je značajno pojačan, tako da helikopteri više nemaju šta tražiti na fronti, više ne lete ni zrakoplovi a kamoli helikopteri, zato Rusi rokaju onim klizećima na sigurnoj udaljenosti od fronte, a ukrajinski pzo se još pojačava, dobili su dozvolu i za skidanje zrakoplova iznad Rusije, mogli bi uskoro početi padati i tupoljevi :klap:
 
Licemerje je samo vaše, ja uporno propagiram neutralnost za Srbiju.

Ovaj rat nije smeo da se dogodi, ali državni vrh SADa nije dozvolio da se izbegne. Sve šanse za dogovor su minirali, jednostavno neće odustati i zato smatram da je potpuna pobeda Rusije u Ukrajini jedino moguće rešenje. Svaki NATO ili proksi vojnik treba da bude zarobljen ili ubiven, jer drugog rešenja nema

Neću gledati snimke njihove pogibije, jer nisam sadistička zver poput vas, za mene su oni broj koji mora biti smanjen ovako ili onako.

Nikada se nisam uključivao u diskusije o ratovima pre ovog, jer nisu pretili da prerastu u ww3, za šta sam odmah video šansu u ovom. Ja imam malu decu i želim im da žive u boljem svetu od mene, želim im mir a ne regrutaciju i izbeglištvo, ali neko ovde to ne želi, a to ste vi krvoloci.
Neutralan si, pa da.
Bjaaaavo
 
Jaooooooo kad bi se svi podsećali šta ste vi sve pisali pre 2 godina na ovamo, pa to bi smejurija teška bila.
Krim neće bit Ruski, nećete nikad osvojit Bahmut, Mariupolj, Avdeevku, Mariniku .............. bla bla, propašće Rusija, nemate granata, ...............
Али нису спомињали "свете" џавекине, химарсе, оне пицкове 777 опсесије, леопрдиће, абрамсе...:namcor:
 
Da je obrnuta situacija, da su Sovjeti izgubili 15000 tenkova , a nacisti 45000, da li bi ishod bio drugaciji?
Ko je pobedio u WW2? Nacisti ili Sovjeti?
pobedili su saveznici, na prvom mestu britanija, jer ipak se ona borila protiv nacizma još od 1939 godine, kada rusima nije smetao ni hitler, ni nacistički pozdravi ni koncentracioni logori
niti 1940 godine nije rusima smetao nacizam, naprotiv, čestitali su hitleru osvajanje europe, i slali nemačkoj gorivo i rude za nemačku industriju i armiju
niti do sredine 1941 nitko u rusiji nije imao ama baš ništa protiv nacizma, protiv nacističkih zastava protiv nacističke ideologije. Sve im je to bilo normalno i prihvatljivo
 
Али нису спомињали "свете" џавекине, химарсе, оне пицкове 777 опсесије, леопрдиће, абрамсе...:namcor:
tada je za rusofile bilo nepojmljivo da će zapad poslati ukrajini oružje.
Slepo su vjerovali drugovima Putinu, Šojgu i pokojnom Prigožinu da ako zapad pošalje tenkove zrakoplove raketne sustave ukrajini, rusija će da ih napadne celokupnim nuklearnim arsenalom, pa su lepo računali koliko sarmata ide ka parizu, koliko ka berlinu, pa atomski cunami koji davi britance...

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danas ne vole da se potsećaju na to jer im budi tugu i nervozu
 
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