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Makedonci nisu narod. Makedonija je teritorija.
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Slažem se. Prvenstveno radi se o jako heterogenoj grupi.
Nemali trag Slovena je prisutan, jezik, kultura itd..Sada se javlja i direktna genetska veza sa Srbima. Reklo bi se da je Makedonija kulturološli i delimično etnički slovenska zemlja, da ne kažem srpska. Svakako to je tako od srednjeg veka . Tu postoji raskorak u svesti samih ljudi koji se pozivaju na nešto što je bilo ranije bez čvrstih dokaza.
Svaki državotvorni trag, kao i etnička obeležja starih naroda su praktično zatrta, izvršena je brutalna romamizacija, raseljavanje itd..Tek pojavom Slovena dolazi do oživljavanja same Mk, ostatci starih naroda predstavljaju stočarske vlaške grupe bez nekog jačeg integriteta, a boga mi i indentiteta. Stoga, i sami starobalkanci vrlo lako i rado grade zajedno sa Slovenima nove kulturološke i etničke zajednice. Sada, nek svako misli za sebe, ali definitivno treba uzimati vremenski kontekst u obzir.
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Tacno i to celovita na kojoj zive plemena koje su prozvali makedoncima drugi narodi,
a prvenstveno grci kada su okupirali i pogrcili pola te teritorije.
Inace, ova plemena koja su nazvali makedoncima vode poreklo od egipcana i na ovoj teritoriji su
bili i pre nego su se grci sa ostrva i priobalja prosirili na sever pomognuti raznim, verskim vojskama..
ali i Rimljanima...
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Ako su Makedonci, Narod,zashto to nebi bili i Klingonci...Mislim nekoliko desetina hiljada Nemaca se na popisu stanovnishtva izjasnilo kao...Klingonci...
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Pise se o istoriji, a veliki deo usvojene ili nametnute je izmisljen racunajuci koriscenje metoda istrazivanja...
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nego nasiljem nad naukom...
Cak i ono sto je nedvosmisleno utvrdjeno izmisljeno je iz politickih razloga onih koji su morali da stvore naciju,
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nego nasiljem nad naukom...
Sta fali Klingoncima?
Bivsa nemacka drzava Prusija preuzela je ime od baltickih Prusa. Germani/Nemci su pobili mnoge (originalne) Pruse, neke asimilovali, a ostali pobegli. Stari pruski jezik je preziveo sve do 17. ili 18. veka.
Mislim, pojavilo se nekada davno nekoliko desetina hiljada Nemaca i izjasnilo se kao... PRUSI, a njihova drzava PRUSIJA.
Svasta lol. Talk about Cultural appropriation.
"Golden Dawn" tried to stop a traditional Macedonian event in northern Greece
URL:
https://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/polit...prechi-tradicionalen-nastan-vo-severna-grcija
Members of the Greek neo-fascist Golden Dawn party today tried to stop the traditional dance that the House of Macedonian Culture organizes every year in the Greek village of Patele.
Tonight at 19:00 in the village of Patele (= Agios Panteleimonas), Lerin/Florina region, the dance was to begin in the organization of the House of Macedonian Culture. Members of Golden Dawn threatened not to allow it and would organize a protest outside the hotel where the dance was to be held.
After threats, the "Vinozhito" party sent a letter to the police in Lerin seeking protection. Police blocked the road, but previously released four buses of Golden Dawn, so now no one can enter the village, and witnesses from the site say that the police said: "Feel free to enter, but at your own risk." A small number of Macedonians managed to enter the village.
URL:
https://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/polit...prechi-tradicionalen-nastan-vo-severna-grcija
Members of the Greek neo-fascist Golden Dawn party today tried to stop the traditional dance that the House of Macedonian Culture organizes every year in the Greek village of Patele.
Tonight at 19:00 in the village of Patele (= Agios Panteleimonas), Lerin/Florina region, the dance was to begin in the organization of the House of Macedonian Culture. Members of Golden Dawn threatened not to allow it and would organize a protest outside the hotel where the dance was to be held.
After threats, the "Vinozhito" party sent a letter to the police in Lerin seeking protection. Police blocked the road, but previously released four buses of Golden Dawn, so now no one can enter the village, and witnesses from the site say that the police said: "Feel free to enter, but at your own risk." A small number of Macedonians managed to enter the village.
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Ipak Bugari imaju najveci animozitet ka Makedoncima definitivno, Grci i Albanci male mace.
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Pa Ti Vishe i nepostoje...Sami su rekli da su u Rangu nekog tamo Africhkog plemena...Opet su promenili ime..Koliko puta to chesto rade ima shanse za zivota moga da to urade josh jedno tri chetiri puta najmanje...tako da sachekamo malo sa ovom diskusijom da bi videli kako se prvo uopste zovu...pa da je posle toga nastavimo...
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Vecina ih nije rekla jer je referendum propao sto naravno nije znacilo da ce to poznate zapadne demokrate da zarezuju ko suvu sljivu. Milo je ubacio Crnu Goru lakse od zvanicnog Skoplja.
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Mstislave,delimichno se slazhem sa Vashim komentarom...No gde je bila ta vechina na teritoriji Vardarske Republike i Crnogorskog fabrikata..da Jasno i Glasno kaze Ne..Tipichna bolest kreiranih entiteta...Prave Nacije i Narodi...znaju kada sledi Ne...pa ih chak i neprijatelji na neki nachin...Poshtuju...
Members of Macedonia-Greece joint (history) expert committee
Macedonia:
Dalibor Jovanovski
Nikos Causidis
Kica Kolbe
Viktor Gaber
Ljudmil Spasov
Ana Cupeska-Staniskovska
Fahri Ramadani
Greece:
Spyridon Sfetas
Iakovos Michailidis
Atanasios Loupas
Nikolaos Zaikos
Alexandra Ioannidou
Efthmios Harlaftis
Excerpts from Spyridon Sfetas:
Macedonia:
Dalibor Jovanovski
Nikos Causidis
Kica Kolbe
Viktor Gaber
Ljudmil Spasov
Ana Cupeska-Staniskovska
Fahri Ramadani
Greece:
Spyridon Sfetas
Iakovos Michailidis
Atanasios Loupas
Nikolaos Zaikos
Alexandra Ioannidou
Efthmios Harlaftis
Excerpts from Spyridon Sfetas:
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Današnja Republika Makedonija je zapravo srpski deo otomanskog ejaleta Makedonije podeljenjog između Grka, Srba, Bugara i Albanaca posle balkanskih ratova
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Пут утврђивања порекла нације коју данас препознајемо као Македонце налази се у систему елиминације низа присвојених српских, грчких и бугарских великана и повесних сегмената.
https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Крал_Марко
Pogledajte prilog 515325
https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Крал_Марко
Pogledajte prilog 515325
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Greek Macedonian 35% R1a; Semino et al. (2000)
Greece 11% R1a; eupedia
Greece 11% R1a; eupedia
Upward, 1908
The author of the book below is John Cook. It was published in 1770.
Link to the book:
The author of the book below is John Cook. It was published in 1770.
Link to the book:
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I wonder if the name of Bitola means what is sometimes asserted to mean? It is said that the name Bitola is derived from the Old Church Slavonic word ѡ҆би́тѣл҄ь (obitěĺь, meaning "monastery, cloister") as the city was formerly noted for its monastery. When the meaning of the name was no longer understood, it lost its prefix "o-".The name Bitola is mentioned for the first time in an inscription only in 1015. What are the linguistic or phonetic rules that explain the "dropping" of the prefix "o-", as well as the "change" of the middle "ě" to "o" (and why would people drop the prefix when they somehow, allegedly, forgot the meaning of the name)?
Anyway, I happened to find a comune in Italy with a very similar name: Bettola or Bétula. Of course, this could all be a remarkable coincidence, a nothing more! Bettola is a comune (municipality) in the Province of Piacenza in the Italian region Emilia-Romagna.
One explanation appears to be that the term bettola derives from the Latin “bevettola,” which means “place where you can drink.” In Italian when a place is referred to as a bettola it’s basically a hole in the wall and it’s been around forever. You go there for a glass of wine, a bite to eat and everything — and everyone — is familiar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bettola
http://www.terroni.com/the-marriage-of-osteria-la-bettola/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitola
Various excerpts from Early Byzantine churches in Macedonia and southern Serbia
A Study of the Origins and the Initial Development of East Christian Art, by Ralph F. Hoddinott [Palgrave Macmillan, London 1963]
PART II. MACEDONIA BETWEEN ROME AND CONSTANTINOPLE
IV. Roman Macedonia and the Mission of St Paul
1) The Parthian revival of the Persian Empire occurred in the third century b.c. In the course of the next century Rome began its expansion into the lands bordering the eastern Mediterranean. Attempts by the Macedonian kingdom to resist Roman domination were finally liquidated following Roman victories in 168 and 148 b.c. The Romans neither regarded, nor treated, their Macedonian rival lightly and set out systematically to eradicate every trace of its power and independence. Perseus, the last Macedonian king, was seized in 168 while claiming political sanctuary on Samothrace and, after the failure of the final bid to regain independence in 148, the whole of the surviving aristocracy and the chief military and civil officials were deported to Italy. The most important industries were forbidden; the country was divided into four parts, and Macedonians forbidden to cross from one to another. Thus trade, as well as political control, fell largely into Roman hands. Quickly and brutally, the proud motherland of the empire which had reached to India was converted into a stagnant backwater of the Roman Empire.
2) Reliable veterans from the victorious Roman army were given their discharge and awarded land on which to settle. ... Octavius brought over a still larger group of colonists from Italy. These newcomers quickly became, on both a large and small scale, the principal landowners in the region.
3) The indigenous Thracians also continued as an important element of the population in the city of Philippi and, probably to a greater degree, in the countryside.
4) Farther inland, among the mountainous ranges of the north and west, a different situation developed. In these wilder regions, even in the towns, Hellénisation had never been complete. Greek influence, while paramount and a strong civilising force, had had to contend with constantly shifting tribal populations and with cultural allegiances from beyond the Macedonian frontiers. These were principally Illyrian on the west and north and Thracian on the east. The lack of Illyrian or Thracian literature makes any estimate of their cultural contributions extremely difficult, but it was certainly far from negative.
5) Throughout eastern Macedonia, as well as in Thrace itself, the religion of the native Thracians retained an undiminished vitality. Three iconographical aspects of this religion have survived in sufficient number and consistency of representation to leave us some indication of its essential features.
6) In Thessalonica and Verria a particular welcome was given to Paul’s gospel by the Greek population, ‘devout Greeks’ as they are called on one occasion. The race of those who received him with such warmth in Philippi is not specified; and nowhere are the indigenous Thracians or Illyrians mentioned. It seems a possibility that, particularly in Philippi, Paul made no distinction between the Greeks and the urban, Hellenised Thracians. Both were eligible for Roman citizenship. Both would speak Greek. Both, too, practised a synthesis of Thracian and Hellenic cults, which would have prepared them for Christian ideas. The status of women in Illyrian society may, too, have been the reason for the interest shown in Thessalonica and Verria by ‘chief’ and ‘honourable women which were Greeks’. Educated, urban Illyrians, too, would have spoken Greek.
A Study of the Origins and the Initial Development of East Christian Art, by Ralph F. Hoddinott [Palgrave Macmillan, London 1963]
PART II. MACEDONIA BETWEEN ROME AND CONSTANTINOPLE
IV. Roman Macedonia and the Mission of St Paul
1) The Parthian revival of the Persian Empire occurred in the third century b.c. In the course of the next century Rome began its expansion into the lands bordering the eastern Mediterranean. Attempts by the Macedonian kingdom to resist Roman domination were finally liquidated following Roman victories in 168 and 148 b.c. The Romans neither regarded, nor treated, their Macedonian rival lightly and set out systematically to eradicate every trace of its power and independence. Perseus, the last Macedonian king, was seized in 168 while claiming political sanctuary on Samothrace and, after the failure of the final bid to regain independence in 148, the whole of the surviving aristocracy and the chief military and civil officials were deported to Italy. The most important industries were forbidden; the country was divided into four parts, and Macedonians forbidden to cross from one to another. Thus trade, as well as political control, fell largely into Roman hands. Quickly and brutally, the proud motherland of the empire which had reached to India was converted into a stagnant backwater of the Roman Empire.
2) Reliable veterans from the victorious Roman army were given their discharge and awarded land on which to settle. ... Octavius brought over a still larger group of colonists from Italy. These newcomers quickly became, on both a large and small scale, the principal landowners in the region.
3) The indigenous Thracians also continued as an important element of the population in the city of Philippi and, probably to a greater degree, in the countryside.
4) Farther inland, among the mountainous ranges of the north and west, a different situation developed. In these wilder regions, even in the towns, Hellénisation had never been complete. Greek influence, while paramount and a strong civilising force, had had to contend with constantly shifting tribal populations and with cultural allegiances from beyond the Macedonian frontiers. These were principally Illyrian on the west and north and Thracian on the east. The lack of Illyrian or Thracian literature makes any estimate of their cultural contributions extremely difficult, but it was certainly far from negative.
5) Throughout eastern Macedonia, as well as in Thrace itself, the religion of the native Thracians retained an undiminished vitality. Three iconographical aspects of this religion have survived in sufficient number and consistency of representation to leave us some indication of its essential features.
6) In Thessalonica and Verria a particular welcome was given to Paul’s gospel by the Greek population, ‘devout Greeks’ as they are called on one occasion. The race of those who received him with such warmth in Philippi is not specified; and nowhere are the indigenous Thracians or Illyrians mentioned. It seems a possibility that, particularly in Philippi, Paul made no distinction between the Greeks and the urban, Hellenised Thracians. Both were eligible for Roman citizenship. Both would speak Greek. Both, too, practised a synthesis of Thracian and Hellenic cults, which would have prepared them for Christian ideas. The status of women in Illyrian society may, too, have been the reason for the interest shown in Thessalonica and Verria by ‘chief’ and ‘honourable women which were Greeks’. Educated, urban Illyrians, too, would have spoken Greek.
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Најгрубље речено једно од словенских племена које није бугаризовано до краја и поседује своје особености и специфичности да их данас можемо сматрати засебном нацијим као и Црногорце с тим да је легитимитет Црногораца далеко већи јер су имали своју признату државу.
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Своју признату државу српског народа Црне Горе, паралела не стоји.
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Има ли шта новије?
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Sto su bili, tkoga briga, pika se danasnjost, a oni su BJRM,,,severnjacka danas posle referenduma....osobno MISLIM da su od ortodox populacije najvise :
Bugari 60%
Srbi 25 % Polog (Tetovo i okolica, nastavak sa KiM, Sare,,,Porec do Struge,,,,Skopska CG, Kumanovo i okolica)....
Vlasi, Cincari,Aromuni 15%
Bugari 60%
Srbi 25 % Polog (Tetovo i okolica, nastavak sa KiM, Sare,,,Porec do Struge,,,,Skopska CG, Kumanovo i okolica)....
Vlasi, Cincari,Aromuni 15%
