Masoni, Templari, Rotarijanci

Misha :.:
Sta mislite o ovim tajnim drustvima i kakav uticaj imaju u nasem svakodnevnom zivotu, koliko znate o tome? Dosta se govori o knjizi "Da Vincijev kod" sta mislite o tome?
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mislim da su pripadnici tih grupa isfrustrirano iskompleksirani retardi, jer. ako si ti iole psihicki stabilna i normalna licnost, ne treba ti nista osim samog tebe da bi se ostvario u zivotu kao covek. cim tebi treba pripadnost u nekoj takvoj organizaciji, nisi normalan.
koliko oni uticaja imaju, ne znam, ne zalim da zamisljam i razmisljam o tome. nadam se da, kakav god uticaj imaju, da postoji tedencija ka opadanju. da sam u poziciji, lepo bi dekretom zabranio takve organizacije. ja sam kosmopolita i smeta mi sto na ovom svetu postoje granice, a kamoli takve organizacije. h8.
 
Fixa:
mislim da su pripadnici tih grupa isfrustrirano iskompleksirani retardi, jer. ako si ti iole psihicki stabilna i normalna licnost, ne treba ti nista osim samog tebe da bi se ostvario u zivotu kao covek. cim tebi treba pripadnost u nekoj takvoj organizaciji, nisi normalan.
koliko oni uticaja imaju, ne znam, ne zalim da zamisljam i razmisljam o tome. nadam se da, kakav god uticaj imaju, da postoji tedencija ka opadanju. da sam u poziciji, lepo bi dekretom zabranio takve organizacije. ja sam kosmopolita i smeta mi sto na ovom svetu postoje granice, a kamoli takve organizacije. h8.
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Interesantno da neko ko se izjasnjava za kosmopolitu i ko je protiv granica smatra za shodno da bi imao pravo da zabrani postojanje bilo kakve ogranizacije. Da li gornji pasusi vaze i za sportske klubove, politicke partije, biblioteke, kinoteke, udruzenja glumaca, inzenjera ili bilo koje druge grupe ljudi, ili je ovako eksplicitno negativan stav specificno sacuvan za Slobodno zidarstvo?

Uostalom, zar nije bolje zadrzati grupu gde se "iskompleksirani retardi" medjusobno druze, nego je zabraniti i, zaboga, pustiti na ulicu, medju "psihicki stabilne i normalne licnosti" od kojih su verovatno mnogi cak i "kosmopolite"?
 
e,
nemoj ti da se pravis lud. to "slobodno zidarstvo" bilo je u srednjem veku i to je to, danas je daleko od toga; ja u njima vidim samo zlo...prema tome, navedeni pasus vazi za takve organizacije, sekte i ostale grupe tog tipa. slozi se samnom ili ne, cao.
 
Fixa:
e,
nemoj ti da se pravis lud. to "slobodno zidarstvo" bilo je u srednjem veku i to je to, danas je daleko od toga; ja u njima vidim samo zlo...prema tome, navedeni pasus vazi za takve organizacije, sekte i ostale grupe tog tipa. slozi se samnom ili ne, cao.
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Hm, imamo li alternativu, ili moramo da prihvatimo tvoj stav... Iskljucivost je olicenje stepena ljudske svesti i nije zanemarljiv faktor u komunikaciji medju ljudima... Na ovaj nacin ne ostavljas nam prostora da polemisemo i diskutujemo sa tobom vec nameces svoje misljenje i svoju volju...
 
misha hvala za one textove.e jos kad bi mi neko blize pojasnio Bafometa.nije mi jasno to stvorenje.u progonu templara se pominje neka bradata glava koju su toboze obozavali.pa imam malo ludo misljenje.sta ako isus nije vaskrsnuo onako kako crkva predstavlja tj. tijelo mu je ostalo na zemlji.da mozda ta glava nije pripadala znate vec kome ...?
 
Vagrant:
na ti slike (upozorenje prve slike bafometa su se pojavile tek posle 1800. godine )



tekst ces da dobijes nesto kasnije
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znaci Belzebub licno.ok hvala nisam bio siguran jer niko to nije objasnjava.crkva je govorila da obozavaju djavola kroz Bafometa pa nisam bio siguran jer nidje nisam naisao na opis.ima li jos neko da zna nesto o ovome?i sto ime Bafomet znaci zapravo?
 
Da, ali ti crtezi koje je Von Hammer-Purgstall objavio su preneti sa sacuvane grncarije templara i ti crtezi nemaju veze sa ovom sto je ovde postirano. Mislim, draga deco Levy je nacrtao Bafometa koji je ovde prikazan, ali kakve to ima veze sa templarima? Ili Gigerovi crtezi? Zato hajde malo objektivnosti. Dalje, kakve veze ima Bafomet sa masonima? Masonerija je plava masonerija. Gde je tu Bafomet zaboga?
 
Besomar:
tema nisu samo masoni nego i templari i rotarijanci pogledaj gore
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OK, ali kakve veze imaju templari sa Levijevim i Gigerovim crtezima bafometa? I kakve veze imaju, pogotovo, rotarijanci sa Bafometom? Mislim, da ja sad nacrtam Bafometa na neki , po merilima vecinskog nacina razmisljanja, diskreditujuci nacin da li ce to diskreditovati srednjovekovne templare? Ajde samo malo ozbiljnosti!
 
Bi2:
Ja uopšte nemam svoje izgradjeno mišljenje i neki stav o masonstvu, to sam ti već rekla.Priznaćeš da se barem kod nas, u narodu, o masonstvu govorilo kao o nekoj tajnoj organizaciji, nečem zabranjenom i ružnom, organizaciji koja se petlja u tudje stvari i drugima kroji kapu. Da li je to dobro ili ne, da li je to baš tako priznajem da ne znam. Zato i čitam ove postove i pokušavam da nešto o tome naučim.
Sigurno si slušao Milana St.Protića i video onaj članak u "Politici".U onom članku je navodno fotokopija Andrićeve molbe za prijem, u kojoj pod razlogom za prijem on navodi da želi biti mason da bi bio u društvu velikih ljudi a Protić dodaje da su mu masoni pomogli da dobije Nobelovu nagradu. Ako je ovo tačno, to znači zbog koristi.
Pozdrav
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Ja nisam mason, ali sam jednu stvar naucio u zivotu. Uvek kad se stvari gledaju spolja drugacije izgledaju. To sta narod misli o masonima je nerelevantno. Zasto? U Nemackoj tridesetih su mislili da Jevreji zrtvuju device i ubijaju decake tokom svojih obreda. Mi znamo da to nije bilo tacno. Svojevremeno mi je jedna Slovakinja u Pivnicama pricala da se u Pravoslavnoj crkvi jednom godisnje odrzava nekakvo "leptiranje" u kojem se ugasi svetlo i svi spavaju sa svakim. Mi takodje znamo da to nije tacno, ali su neki Alovaci u Pivnicama ocigledno bili cvrsto uvereni u istinitost toga. Pretpostavljam da jedino saznanje o tome na koji nacin masoni pomazu jedni drugima moze da se stekne iskljucivo ako je neko i sam mason. Dalje, ne vidim sta je lose u tome da neko pomaze nekome na osnovu medjusopbne bliskosti zasnovane na ovome ili onome. Irci ce u rasejanju pomoci Ircima, Italijani Italijanim i tako redom. Nemam iluzija da je Nobelova nagrada danas u dobroj meri ispolitizirana, no isto tako sumnjam da ce neko progurati Andrica kao dobitnika Nobelova nagrade na stetu negoga drugoga cije bi delo bilo kvalitetnije. Neko moje razumevanje je da ce Mason kada treba da bira izmedju nekoliko opcija istog kvaliteta dati prvenstvo onoj iza koj estoji neki njegov Brat. I mislim da je ta fraternalnost, a namerno koristim tu rec a na solidarnost ili nesto slicno, nesto pohvalno. Ne vidim sto bi to nekome smetalo. No, ne mislim da je osnovni motiv korist. Masonerija je, ako sam ja u pravu, egzoterni krug misterije. Dakle kao nekadasnja niza osnovna tokom koje se deca uce osnovima socijalizacije. Masonerija pravi boljeg coveka od svojih clanova. A to znaci inteligente ljude koji je uklopljen u svoju zajednicu. Sa druge strane kaze sa de masonerija ima i "fuhovnu dimenziju", bez ulaska sta duhovno uopste znaci. Mislim da u svakoj istinskoj duhovnoj prici covek kad tad shvati da duhovan covek ne uzima za sebe od okoline, nego sluzi toj okolini. Dakle sumnjam da ijedan istinski duhovan covek, u bilo kojoj takvoj prici, moze biti negde iz sebicnih motiva. Naravno, ako masonerija spada u tu kategoriju sto je jako tesko reci gledajuci spolja. Moj trenutni utisak je da tu postoji takav kvalitet zato sto sam upoznao neke masone i delovali su mi kao ljudi koje treba postovati. No, svako neka sam
donosi zakljucke za sebe, no ne na osnovu carsijskih prica i toga "sta se govori u narodu". To je nepouzdano.
 
Gwydion:
OK, ali kakve veze imaju templari sa Levijevim i Gigerovim crtezima bafometa?
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ja sam i napisao da su se prve slike bafometa pojavile tek posle 1800. godine (vidi iznad slika) a sad ce i text (copy\past metodom na engleskom jeziku)
Gwydion:
I kakve veze imaju, pogotovo, rotarijanci sa Bafometom?
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nikakve
Gwydion:
Mislim, da ja sad nacrtam Bafometa na neki , po merilima vecinskog nacina razmisljanja, diskreditujuci nacin da li ce to diskreditovati srednjovekovne templare? Ajde samo malo ozbiljnosti!
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probaj
 
prvo misljenje

During the early 1800s, the pseudo-historian Hammer-Purgstall said he had found evidence that the Templars worshipped an androgynous idol called Baphomet (the same name that certain brothers used for the head or relic presented during certain Chapters according to the text of the trial). The objects and architectural details Hammer had found on certain churches were a proof for him that the Templars actually practiced a Gnostic rite. Since then historians have shown that Hammer's theory rested on very shaky grounds and that the churches he had picked were actually not Templar. However his theory has become an established fact for certain esoterists who, until this day, still believe that Baphomet was an idol and that the Templars adored it...

Several historians now believe that Baphomet was a corruption of the word Muhammad (Mahomet in modern French). The proof of that is contained in a poem "Ire Dolors" written by a Templar brother, Ricaut Bonomel, during the 1260's when Sultan Baibars was winning his fight against the Christians. The initial text is in old French; in the following translation, I have left the names in the way they appear in the old text; here is a paragraph:

"And here, every day, they are victorious,
Because God is sleeping instead of being awake,
And Baphomet uses all his strength
To support Melicadefer."

Melicadefer was the name used by the Crusaders for Baibars, and of course Baphomet was the name they used for Mahomet. If that's the case, one can wonder why certain Templar brothers used the Islamic prophet to name some of the heads they saw during certain Chapter meetings.

A possible answer could be that the Templar dignitaries had obtained certain automata heads built by the Arabs. These heads were made of metal and are known to have existed at the time. They were actually called "heads of Mahomet" by the Crusaders. Of course it may not be the only explanation for the myth of Baphomet; it doesn't exclude that the Templars owned relic heads of saints that they could also have displayed during their Chapter meetings.

drugo misljenje

Baphomet is a greek derivative, meaning its name came from greek..so this is how Baphomet is spelled Bavomet.
And another clue to the Baphomet...in greek, this mean, "Baptism of the Metis"
If one studies the image of the Baphomet, one would then find symbols of forces that the knights templars knew and used.
The stigmatism attached to the Baphomet, was created by the church at the time who crushed the knights templars, this was done as a way to control the masses of people from leaving the church control.
how does one control the masses of people...easy the church just says it is evil, or devil worshipping etc....and since only the church had the authority to say what was what, they decreed anyhting the knights templar did to be evil,etc..etc...so that the masses of people would then not take off from the church and then follow in their footsteps and come to understand the symbols that made up the secret of the baphomet, as secret which is about the forces around and within everything and how to use those forces for creation/manifestation, to creat that spark, (quark).

trece misljenje

In order for the knights templar to solve all the clues of the secrets of the temple of jerusalem or from king solomon temple, or from papyrus or from dead sea scrolls, one would have to understand first the hebrew atbash codes.
Using the Hebrew atbash code in solving coded puzzles, clues, etc..would have often applied in the searches.
And so they the knights templars left many coded clues themselves, which can also be uncovered using hebrew atbash codes.
the symbol of the baphomet, is full of coded clues which are hidden, within.
even the word Baphomet contains a hebrew atbash code.
One of the symbols of the name of God is AB. AB=, 1,2. (one who is mirrored, or dual, equal and opposite, etc)
in hebrew atbash codes, part of one code is to take the first letter and then replace it with the letter following it.
so BA becomes AB.
or 21 becomes 12. and then using part of the hebrew atbash codes, add the two togethor fadically.
AB=A+B=3 as A=1, B=2. so the 3, (the 1,2) becomes 1.
3 forces become one force.
This si what the symbolsim of the Baphomet is about.
the baphomet is not about evil and blackmajic or worshipping the devil, it is about worshipping the one creative force, the God force. The God force that lasts for infinity, for perpetual generations.
In hebrew code, one of Gods many names is AB. or ABA

i cetvrto (koje je nastavak prvog)

In his book Monuments Historiques Relatifs a la Condamnation des Chevaliers du Temple, Raynouard says that the word Bafometi doesn't come from the Greek, but that instead it comes from the word Mahometi. Beside the poem of Ricaut Bonomel that I quoted above, here is another proof. Raimundus of Agiles, one of the chroniclers of the First Crusade, talks about the Muslims and says:

"In ecclesiis autem magnis Bafumarias faciebant..."

The word Bafumaria means church of the cult of Mahomet (Muhammad); it's a mosque! This is confirmed by Du Cange in his dictionary (Bafumaria = Templum Mahumeto dicatum).
 
Vagrant:
prvo misljenje

During the early 1800s, the pseudo-historian Hammer-Purgstall said he had found evidence that the Templars worshipped an androgynous idol called Baphomet (the same name that certain brothers used for the head or relic presented during certain Chapters according to the text of the trial). The objects and architectural details Hammer had found on certain churches were a proof for him that the Templars actually practiced a Gnostic rite. Since then historians have shown that Hammer's theory rested on very shaky grounds and that the churches he had picked were actually not Templar. However his theory has become an established fact for certain esoterists who, until this day, still believe that Baphomet was an idol and that the Templars adored it...

Several historians now believe that Baphomet was a corruption of the word Muhammad (Mahomet in modern French). The proof of that is contained in a poem "Ire Dolors" written by a Templar brother, Ricaut Bonomel, during the 1260's when Sultan Baibars was winning his fight against the Christians. The initial text is in old French; in the following translation, I have left the names in the way they appear in the old text; here is a paragraph:

"And here, every day, they are victorious,
Because God is sleeping instead of being awake,
And Baphomet uses all his strength
To support Melicadefer."

Melicadefer was the name used by the Crusaders for Baibars, and of course Baphomet was the name they used for Mahomet. If that's the case, one can wonder why certain Templar brothers used the Islamic prophet to name some of the heads they saw during certain Chapter meetings.

A possible answer could be that the Templar dignitaries had obtained certain automata heads built by the Arabs. These heads were made of metal and are known to have existed at the time. They were actually called "heads of Mahomet" by the Crusaders. Of course it may not be the only explanation for the myth of Baphomet; it doesn't exclude that the Templars owned relic heads of saints that they could also have displayed during their Chapter meetings.

drugo misljenje

Baphomet is a greek derivative, meaning its name came from greek..so this is how Baphomet is spelled Bavomet.
And another clue to the Baphomet...in greek, this mean, "Baptism of the Metis"
If one studies the image of the Baphomet, one would then find symbols of forces that the knights templars knew and used.
The stigmatism attached to the Baphomet, was created by the church at the time who crushed the knights templars, this was done as a way to control the masses of people from leaving the church control.
how does one control the masses of people...easy the church just says it is evil, or devil worshipping etc....and since only the church had the authority to say what was what, they decreed anyhting the knights templar did to be evil,etc..etc...so that the masses of people would then not take off from the church and then follow in their footsteps and come to understand the symbols that made up the secret of the baphomet, as secret which is about the forces around and within everything and how to use those forces for creation/manifestation, to creat that spark, (quark).

trece misljenje

In order for the knights templar to solve all the clues of the secrets of the temple of jerusalem or from king solomon temple, or from papyrus or from dead sea scrolls, one would have to understand first the hebrew atbash codes.
Using the Hebrew atbash code in solving coded puzzles, clues, etc..would have often applied in the searches.
And so they the knights templars left many coded clues themselves, which can also be uncovered using hebrew atbash codes.
the symbol of the baphomet, is full of coded clues which are hidden, within.
even the word Baphomet contains a hebrew atbash code.
One of the symbols of the name of God is AB. AB=, 1,2. (one who is mirrored, or dual, equal and opposite, etc)
in hebrew atbash codes, part of one code is to take the first letter and then replace it with the letter following it.
so BA becomes AB.
or 21 becomes 12. and then using part of the hebrew atbash codes, add the two togethor fadically.
AB=A+B=3 as A=1, B=2. so the 3, (the 1,2) becomes 1.
3 forces become one force.
This si what the symbolsim of the Baphomet is about.
the baphomet is not about evil and blackmajic or worshipping the devil, it is about worshipping the one creative force, the God force. The God force that lasts for infinity, for perpetual generations.
In hebrew code, one of Gods many names is AB. or ABA

i cetvrto (koje je nastavak prvog)

In his book Monuments Historiques Relatifs a la Condamnation des Chevaliers du Temple, Raynouard says that the word Bafometi doesn't come from the Greek, but that instead it comes from the word Mahometi. Beside the poem of Ricaut Bonomel that I quoted above, here is another proof. Raimundus of Agiles, one of the chroniclers of the First Crusade, talks about the Muslims and says:

"In ecclesiis autem magnis Bafumarias faciebant..."

The word Bafumaria means church of the cult of Mahomet (Muhammad); it's a mosque! This is confirmed by Du Cange in his dictionary (Bafumaria = Templum Mahumeto dicatum).
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Ne bih bas puno da pametujem, postoji puno mogucih tumacenja, imas jedno i kod Levia u Masonskim legendama. Druga, na koja sam ja nailazio, su Maphtah Bet Yahweh (Kljuc Bozije kuce), Baphe Metros odnosno Baphe Metios (krstenje odnosno tinktura Mudrosti), simbol Azazela, “Jarca Bozijeg” ili “Snage bozje” (H.P. Blavatsky), zatim je povezivan sa mitraizmom, zatim po temuri BPhVMTh je izjednacavan sa ShVPhIA (Sofija), zatim
arapski Abufihamet, Mavari u Spaniji su to izgovarali kao Bufihimat (Otac Razumijevanja, odnosno“Otac Mudrosti) ...

Da se ne pravi mpametan sva ova objasnjenja se mogu naci na netu i po raznim knjigama. Mozda ni jedno nije istinito. Mislim da je jako lose koristiti bilo koje od njih u raspravu zato sto ne znamo sta je od toga tacno, a sta nije. Dakle sva su nepouzdana za ljud ekoji stvari gledaju spolja. Otprilike je to ono sto sam hteo da kazem..
 
Gwydion, ti mi se sve vise dopadas :o)... Nick mi je odmah upao u oci ali sada sam siguran da nije to slucajno, opravdao si svoj nick svojim znanjem, Elifas Levi... Bafomet je kontroverzan pojam i postoji dosta tumacenja vezano za Bafometa, Gwydion je dobro to objasnio, ako bi smeo samo da jos dodam da lik Bafometa ima i neku ezoterijsku simboliku (da ne kazem magijsku) pa se recimo u jednom tipu tarot karata lik Bafometa nalazi i na tzv "velikoj arkani"...
 
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