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D-1:
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Mozjemo li prihvatiti pisane Herodota da su Tracani u njegovo vreme naseljavali citav Balkan?

Ili konkretnije da je Istoriska Makedonija bila naseljena Tracanima o cemu pishu Homer, Herodot, Strabon,………

Tako Homer iznosi podatak da snezjne planie Ematije (region u Istorijskoj Makedoniji) naseljavju “tracki vitezovi veshti” (Homer, Ilijada, XIV. 227).

A, Herodot: “U vreme pre Trojanskog rata, Teukri (Trojanci) i Mizi u ogromnom ratnom pohodu, veceg i od onog koji su poduzeli Agamemnon i Menelaj, pokorili su sva tracka plemena, na zapad sve do Jonskog zaliva (Jadransko more), a na jug sve do reke Penej” (Herodot, Istorija, VII. 20).

Reka Penej nalazi se u sredishte Tesalije.

Znaci citav taj prostor naseljavali su Tracani.

U tom prostoru nalazi se i kasnije oformljana Istorijska Makedonija.

To ukazuje na cinjenici da su Makedoniju naseljavali Tracani.

Dali iznete cinjenice mozemo prihvatiti za verodostojne ?
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Sta ste Vi nama gospodine, ovde nesto novo rekli i nesto sto nismo znali?
Jasno je, da su ove prostore, naseljavala razlicita ilirska i tracanska plemena...
Pitanje je samo, ko od svih nas na Balkanu su direktni potomci?
Manje-vise svi su delom, ali...
 
Власи су увек били Власи....

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Никакви македоно-тракијо-влахо-грко...или како већ д1 каже..
 
карлос:
Нема грчке нације.Они су 100% шиптари.(Караџаферис,Караманлис,)

Неки су чак љути на циркузанте који би требало да су политиканти због тога што преко ночи су им променили идентитет.Постали су македонци.Е а сад жале што их нико није питао па нису више хелени.
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FROM TURKISH TO MACEDONIAN
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Arberi:
Da nismo mi neznam ja, iako pise ceo svet o tome i ne mi , ali mi ne bese cilj o nama ..
Ako nisi znala , Dardanci su stariji od Ilira iako se vode kao Ilirsko pleme .
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Arberi, pise "ceo svet" i to je dobro poznato zasto, ali treba znati i sta konkretno pise taj "celi svet".
Kompletnoj svetskoj istoriji je potrebna revizija, ali u ovom trenutku to nikako ne odgovara momentalonom svetskom poretku.
I taj "celo svet", koji pise, ne pise bas tako, kako vi to interpretirate i tumacite.
 
Odlazimo OFF TOPIC, ali kako vi tvrdite da je Aca nas Veliki Albanac...

"A popular thesis, that the modern Albanian historiography continually tends to demonstrate, affirming that the Albanians (who call themselves Sciptarians) are direct descendents of the Ilirians or Dardarians, can not withstand even the most superficial scientific test, since these ancient nations did not exist at the time when the process leading to the formation of the Albanian nation. Byzantine and other historic sources make no mention of Albanians before the 12th and 13th century. From the period when the Ilirians and the Dardanians disappeared from the scene of history at least 600 years passed. Therefore, one can state with certainity that the Balkans, which started affirming itself on certain ancient-Balkan bases, and the beginning of the Middle ages, after the downfall of the Roman Empire. Furthermore, one must bear in mind the fact that the territory encompassing present-day Kosovo and Metohija was quite distant from the zones where the Albanian national nucleaus was formed at the beginning of Middle ages. However, the Albanian tribes gradually spread and settled the planes and mountain ranges in the Skadar Lake hinterland, thus reaching the neighboring zones of the future Metohija region. After the Turkish conquests in the first half of 15th century, Albanians started appearing in the Serbian agricultural localities in present-day Kosovo and Metohija. Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages
listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.

Tha Albanian settlement of present-day Kosovo and Metohija was made easier by the fact that at the time that these migrations started, both these territories and the northern regions of Albania were under Serbian rule. According to Turkish sources, Ottoman conquests encountered almost exclusively Serbian population in these areas. A major Albanian demographic expansion has been recorded only in the 18th century, and it was urged by the Ottoman rulers.

On the other hand, the presence of Slavs in the area, in the Middle ages, has been certified by numerous archaeological findings and toponomy. The fertile planes suited the needs of the Slav farmers, and they consequently settled there permanently. As early as the end of the 12th century, the Kosovo and Metohija area become a political, spititual, economic and demographic center of the medieval Serbian state, primarily due to the fertility of the land and good communications. The town of Prizren was the capital of the Serbian medieval rulers -- Dusan and Uros, whilst the town of Pec become the seat of the Serbian Patriarchy -- which was proclaimed in 1346. These two towns have an important role in Serbian history before and after the Turkish occupation of the Balkans

[Photo of the Pec Patriarshate. Caption reads:

The center of Serbain spirituality since the 13th century: the
Pec Patriarchate (Metohija) ]

In Kosovo and Metohija there are 1,300 monuments testifying the Serbian culture, tradition and spirituality of the period. The most imprtant churches and monasteries in the area are the Ljeviska Bogorodica, built in Prizren in 1307 on foundation of an ancient Bysantine church, Gracanica built near Pristina in 1321, Visoki Decani (14th century) -- the biggest and most beautiful monastery of medieval Serbia with famous frescos, the Banjska Monastery, and many others. The Pec Patriarchy complex is a particularly important monument of the Serbian history and spiritual culture. It comprises the St. Apostles Church (1253), St. Dimitry Church (1324) and several other churches. Along with these temples, a large number of parochial churches existed in Kosovo, for almost every village had one. This confirms the fact that in the Middle ages, the entire territory was densely populated by Orthodox Slavs."
 
Albanian origin has provoked vivid discussions. By referring to excavations during the Second World War, Albanian historians claim that they are descendents of Elyrs. This Indo - European people was, at least since the II millenium B. C., autochthonous in Dalmatia. Structured into about thirty tribes, it was an agricultural civilization [1, p. 3]. Who did become Elyrs? They were mentioned for the last time in the VII century in Byzantium chronicles, which started to refer to "Arbanties" and their country "Arbanon" at the XI century by describing that they lived at the south of the former Byzantium territory. In view of this gap of four centuries, is it the same people? There is a controversial problem of the thesis of the Thrace origin opposing to that of the autochthonity supported by Albanian historians and many Balkanologists pursuing J. G. Hahn (1854) - the founder of the Albanology. The second thesis is based on diggings related to the "culture of Koman" (a village near Shkodra), which show a continuity of the people during the period of the beginning of the Medieval Age [1, pp. 4-5]. If the second thesis were correct then it would mean only that the Albanian ancestors were a tribe of Elyrs who lived at the part of the Adriatic coast belonging today to Albania.

Constantine Porfirogenit, the Tsar of Byzantium, wrote (in the tenth century) a study about peoples and tribes in his empire without mentioning Albanians. Historians observed them for the first time at the beginning of the 11th century, which they immediately notified. Many secular Albanologists assume that the cradle of the Balkan Albanians is contemporary Azerbeidzan, ancient Kavakaz Albania (see the Great Soviet Encyclopedia). Azerbeidzan scientist R. B. Gejusev published in Bakuu a studious study in 1984, in which he wrote that Kavkaz Albanians were among the first to accept Christianity and, after losing their state under the Arabic invasion, they were exposed to a mass islamisation. A part of them joined Arabic troops and moved with them to Byzantium in the 10th century. That is how and when they arrived at Balkan, by concentrating themselves, mainly in the South of Italy and in Mountains of the contemporary Albania [2]. Even if such studies were not correct, nobody could claim that Albanian's ancestors were autochthonous people lived in ancient Elyria. There has not been any proof for such Albanian origin. Sinan pasha mosque in Prizren (a town in Kosovo), the Albanian proud, was built on ruins of the ancient Serbian monastery of Saint Arhangel destroyed by Sinan pasha at the end of the 16th century [2].

All the toponyms in Kosovo and Metohija have Serbian names and there does not exist any cultural monument or a spiritual signature belonging to Albanians [2]. Kosovo itself is Serbian name (read more...).

Serbs were well settled in Kosovo and Metohija in the eighth century and established their independent state and Church in the twelfth century. Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian culture, Serbian Orthodox Christian religion, Serbian statehood, Serbian mining, Serbian patriotism and liberty, and Serbian national memory. Serbs built about 1500 churches and monasteries in Kosovo and Metohija in the Medieval Age. All Serbian soldiers including their chief commander were fighting against several times more numerous Turkish army until the last of them sacrificed his life to the defense of the native people and Fatherland in Kosovo 1389. Since then, Serbian women mourned the loss of liberty by wearing black kerchiefs until 1912 when Serbian army liberated Kosovo and Metohija [2].

Truth in brief on migration, atrocities and genocide in Kosovo

It is TRUE that since the first ethnic cleansing of the Serbs on the part of the Albanians (in the area between Djakovica and Skadar, 1574) and the burning of the remains of the famous Saint Sava Nemanjitch (who was the founder of Serbian Orthodoxy and died in the twelfth century), in Belgrade, 1594 (by the order of Sinan-pasha, one of the Turkish viziers having come from the village of Sajinovac and Opoljane and being of the Albanian descent) only the Serbs were forced to leave Kosovo and Metohija until the NATO aggression [4]. Constant migrations of Serbs from Kosovo and Metohija, were not caused by economic reasons, either 300 years ago or now. They were a result of planned and constant ethnic violence on the part of Albanian newcomers, with the aim of illegal taking of the territories and violent acquisition of property [3]. There was established a law on giving the collective rights to the citizenship of the Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia to all those who were on the territory of Kosovo and Metohija in 1945. At the time this law legalized the forcibly acquired residence of tens of thousands Albanian citizens - members of the occupying military units and occupying army [3].

Tito's Government forbade (1945) to about two hundred thousand Serbs, who were expelled from their properties in Kosovo and Metohija under the occupation of fascistic Great Albania during the Second World War, to return to their ancient family heritage (Appendix 1). Afterwards the frontier to Albania became open to Albanian immigrants.

"Million inhabitants, to whom another five hundred thousands should be added who live at the other side of the frontier with Yugoslavia and Greece, were not sincerely for an association with Italy in 1939" [5, p. 178]. The Porte - parole of Swiss Albanians confirmed this number at the radio Lausanne, morning, April 4, 1998. He then explained also that Albanians were immigrating to Kosovo in order to escape the Stalinist dictatorship of Henver Hodja. It is TRUE that Serbia and Yugoslavia granted hospitality to hundreds of thousands of Albanian immigrants in fifties [4].
 
Plavo Andjelce:
Arberi, pise "ceo svet" i to je dobro poznato zasto, ali treba znati i sta konkretno pise taj "celi svet".
Kompletnoj svetskoj istoriji je potrebna revizija, ali u ovom trenutku to nikako ne odgovara momentalonom svetskom poretku.
I taj "celo svet", koji pise, ne pise bas tako, kako vi to interpretirate i tumacite.
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Nisam bas zeleo uci u vakvu "navijacku" diskusiju ali aj "Zene imaju prednosti" :)
Kompletnoj svetskoj istoriji je potrebna revizija
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Kazem i ja !
Arberi, pise "ceo svet" i to je dobro poznato zasto, ali treba znati i sta konkretno pise taj "celi svet".
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Da , mismo njihovi ljubimci bili cak i u vreme antike :)
Comments on the text of Æschylus
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:mrgreen:
i ove transkripti se podrazumjevaju na ne-albanskom jeziku :mrgreen:
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E UNDAN TË TANNA LA REDHYRR
ANNE DJATHËRË LAU TËN DJELOINA.
MEMËT LA ASHUNAM SLË ELEO CARRU
TË DHAN SHUMË LE RITESËN MË TEIM
RA MËNEM I PA ANNA VEN NË AR ERË
XII DJELOI NË AO URA MARA MPERA
MËKENNU LËN NËLË E SKULË DHUKI EN
E PËLTUL ARU.
A ULEMI DJELOINA NA MARDHËN AL
KLENMI OP OI LË MËKUNA KENU
E PLËQË SHELI KLAROA LËMASHUNEM
KLE NOUN THULOE.
SHALAMË THIENN SHUM LE DJELOINA
VI NOA KAPE NNUNI KLET NNASUNA
PENDË MË NDAN KËDHËLOII SHALËMËT
DJELOINA VUTË NË AP ER PENEDHËM
NNASY AKNINA KLELË ASHUNA
DJELOINA NNË LE RËDHINIA INËT
ENNA NNERR KËNËLJ DJELOINA DHIAM
TESËNE E KA DJELOI NË AO URA
MË OA URA VELLUTESËN E NDAM NEKE
TESËN MË TEIM NDA MNEMË THINNO
MPELLOUTA MËKUNA ASHUNA NNENA
VEN NË AP ER KIKNËLLË VAREUTYME:
I ovu bjelu kapu nose svih , samo Albanci , ne :)
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Arberi:
Nisam bas zeleo uci u vakvu "navijacku" diskusiju ali aj "Zene imaju prednosti" :)

Kazem i ja !

Da , mismo njihovi ljubimci bili cak i u vreme antike :)
Comments on the text of Æschylus
books1.png

:mrgreen:
i ove transkripti se podrazumjevaju na ne-albanskom jeziku :mrgreen:
jfvi13.jpg

29m0oow.jpg

E UNDAN TË TANNA LA REDHYRR
ANNE DJATHËRË LAU TËN DJELOINA.
MEMËT LA ASHUNAM SLË ELEO CARRU
TË DHAN SHUMË LE RITESËN MË TEIM
RA MËNEM I PA ANNA VEN NË AR ERË
XII DJELOI NË AO URA MARA MPERA
MËKENNU LËN NËLË E SKULË DHUKI EN
E PËLTUL ARU.
A ULEMI DJELOINA NA MARDHËN AL
KLENMI OP OI LË MËKUNA KENU
E PLËQË SHELI KLAROA LËMASHUNEM
KLE NOUN THULOE.
SHALAMË THIENN SHUM LE DJELOINA
VI NOA KAPE NNUNI KLET NNASUNA
PENDË MË NDAN KËDHËLOII SHALËMËT
DJELOINA VUTË NË AP ER PENEDHËM
NNASY AKNINA KLELË ASHUNA
DJELOINA NNË LE RËDHINIA INËT
ENNA NNERR KËNËLJ DJELOINA DHIAM
TESËNE E KA DJELOI NË AO URA
MË OA URA VELLUTESËN E NDAM NEKE
TESËN MË TEIM NDA MNEMË THINNO
MPELLOUTA MËKUNA ASHUNA NNENA
VEN NË AP ER KIKNËLLË VAREUTYME:
I ovu bjelu kapu nose svih , samo Albanci , ne :)
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Arberi, nije lepo verovati plagijatima :manikir:

Takvu belu kapicu nemate samo vi. Vi ste je samo preuzeli od drugih.
Btw. takvu istu belu kapicu imaju i recimo Indijanci u Juznoj Americi, jesu li i oni Albanaci?

Evo ti stav zvanicne nauke, ali na nemackom...
Ti razumes, a ja nemam vremena da prevodim sada, ali u svakom slucaju, ne ide vama u korist i pored plagijata ;)

"Die genauen ethnischen Vorgänger der Albaner sind unbekannt, weil keine eigentlichen Sprachreste existieren. Hypothesen zielen auf die Illyrer, doch sind die sprachlichen Überreste so spärlich, dass man keine definitive Aussage machen kann. Und selbst wenn die Protoalbaner illyrisch gesprochen hätten, müssen sie ethnisch keine Illyrer gewesen sein. Dass die thrakische Sprache ein Vorläufer des Albanischen gewesen ist, schließen Sprachwissenschaftler aus."
 
Plavo Andjelce:
Arberi, nije lepo verovati plagijatima :manikir:

Takvu belu kapicu nemate samo vi. Vi ste je samo preuzeli od drugih.
Btw. takvu istu belu kapicu imaju i recimo Indijanci u Juznoj Americi, jesu li i oni Albanaci?

Evo ti stav zvanicne nauke, ali na nemackom...
Ti razumes, a ja nemam vremena da prevodim sada, ali u svakom slucaju, ne ide vama u korist i pored plagijata ;)

"Die genauen ethnischen Vorgänger der Albaner sind unbekannt, weil keine eigentlichen Sprachreste existieren. Hypothesen zielen auf die Illyrer, doch sind die sprachlichen Überreste so spärlich, dass man keine definitive Aussage machen kann. Und selbst wenn die Protoalbaner illyrisch gesprochen hätten, müssen sie ethnisch keine Illyrer gewesen sein. Dass die thrakische Sprache ein Vorläufer des Albanischen gewesen ist, schließen Sprachwissenschaftler aus."
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indijanci? to moze dosta toga da objasni :) :) :)
 
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