Ko je bio Aleksandar Veliki ?

Ko je bio Aleksandar Veliki ?

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Hajde da vidimo sta je etnicitet i sta kakva je bila percepcija "drugoga".
What is ethnicity?
At the root of this scepticism verging on nihilism seems to be a serioustheoretical malaise. To be sure, the premise – that collective identitiesare social constructs – is theoretically as well as empirically sound. In a
Weberian stance, Brather maintains that social identities (ethnic onesincluded) are not a direct reflection of ‘social reality’, even though they are themselves ‘nothing less than real’. This is clearly an echo of recentstudies of ethnicity as a mode of action and of representation. Whiletwenty years ago, ethnicity could not be defined as ‘either culture or society,but a specific mixture, in a more or less stable equilibrium, of bothculture and society’, now the tendency is to treat it as a decision peoplemake to depict themselves or others symbolically as bearers of a certaincultural identity.
In short, ethnicity has become the politicization of culture. Ethnicity may not be innate, but individuals are born with it;it may not be biologically reproduced, but individuals are linked to itthrough cultural constructions of biology; it is certainly not just culturaldifference, but ethnicity cannot be sustained without reference to aninventory of cultural traits. As Thomas Hylland Eriksen puts it, ethnicity must be regarded as the ‘collective enaction of socially differentiating signs’.
izvod iz clanka Florina Kurte strana 7-8.

Nadjite radove od Fanule Papazoglu na netu iskreno mrzi me da kopam samo cu citirati najbitnije:
" Jer ako je tesko objasniti makedonsku onomastiku, kao kulturni import iz helenskog sveta. Teze je, rekla bih nemoguce, shvatiti kako je ceo jedan narod u kratkom vremenu izmedju uvodjenja atickog jezika na Filipovom dvoru i pokreta makedonskih ceta pod Aleksandrom na Istoku, mogao da prihvati i svalata u toj meri starni jezik da bi sam posato njegov siritelj(a da pri tom en ostavi traga svog jezika). Ova pojava se moze objasniti samo ako se pretpostavi da je makedonski bio dijalekat grckog i da je kao takav mogao da bude zamenjen grcikm kinoi"
Фанула Папазоглу, Етничка структура античке Македоније у светлости новијих
ономастичких истраживања; BALCANICA VIII (1977)
 
Poslednja izmena:
Gde sam to napisao da je bio "vlah"?

Alexanrdu Makedon u etnickom smislu je bio Makedon i nishta vishe.

A, Makedoni su kao narod pripadali velikom narodu Tracana.

Dali uopste znas sta znaci termin "vlah"?
Alexandru Makedon je bio kraljevskog porekla, pa prema tome ni u kom slucaju nije mogao da bude "vlah".

Vlah ima vise znacajeva.

I Makedonci nisu bili Tracani nema za to nikakvog dokaza, uvek su bili vise vezani za Grcku nego za Trakiju.
 
Vlah ima vise znacajeva.

I Makedonci nisu bili Tracani nema za to nikakvog dokaza, uvek su bili vise vezani za Grcku nego za Trakiju.


Prvo, "Konstantin Veliki" ime pod kojim se javljas, pripada coveku trackog porekla.

Ali pustimo to.

Osnovno pitanje je: sta ako iznesemo zapise iz post Alexandrovog perioda da su bili Tracani ?

I, da su Makedoni govorili trackim jezikom.

Dali cete prihvatiti artefakte ?
 
Ma seru Aleksandar je bio srbin to se jasno vidi iz njegovog imena i imena njegovog oca.

I budali je to jasno, samo nije jasno na zapadu skolovanim srpskim istoričarima.

Inače zvali su ga odmilja Saša. folio je srpsku narodnu muziku pogotovu frulicu i trubu i nosio opanke, čakšire i anterije.

Silno je volio čorbast pasulj, prebranac i papriku. A na kacigi je nosio 4 S. samo sloga srbina spasava.

Saša je posmrtno u raju primio hrišćanstvo i promovisan je u čin anđela serafima.
 
Важно је за сукоб данашњих Македонаца и Грка.
Међутим мене интересује пошто нисам то нашао а нико ми није одговорио када је Хелен замењен синономом Грк за Хелена , да ли неко зна?
 
Важно је за сукоб данашњих Македонаца и Грка.
Међутим мене интересује пошто нисам то нашао а нико ми није одговорио када је Хелен замењен синономом Грк за Хелена , да ли неко зна?

Neznam dali ce ti pomoci ovo :)
Prema Herodotu ,term Helen ne samo sto nije imao etnicki smisao kao danas nego nisu imali nista originalno u sebe i adaptarili veru od drugih , a ovih drugi su Pelazgi..

Herodotus Book 2: Euterpe 52
Now the Pelasgians formerly were wont to make all their sacrifices calling upon the gods in prayer, as I know from that which I heard at Dodona, but they gave no title or name to any of them, for they had not yet heard any, but they called them gods from some such notion as this, that they had set in order all things and so had the distribution of everything. Afterwards, when much time had elapsed, they learnt from Egypt the names of the gods, all except Dionysos, for his name they learnt long afterwards; and after a time the Pelasgians consulted the Oracle at Dodona about the names, for this prophetic seat is accounted to be the most ancient of the Oracles which are among the Hellenes, and at that time it was the only one. So when the Pelasgians asked the Oracle at Dodona whether they should adopt the names which had come from the Barbarians, the Oracle in reply bade them make use of the names. From this time they sacrificed using the names of the gods, and from the Pelasgians the Hellenes afterwards received them
: ἔθυον δὲ πάντα πρότερον οἱ Πελασγοὶ θεοῖσι ἐπευχόμενοι, ὡς ἐγὼ ἐν Δωδώνῃ οἶδα ἀκούσας, ἐπωνυμίην δὲ οὐδ᾽ οὔνομα ἐποιεῦντο οὐδενὶ αὐτῶν· οὐ γὰρ ἀκηκόεσάν κω. θεοὺς δὲ προσωνόμασαν σφέας ἀπὸ τοῦ τοιούτου, ὅτι κόσμῳ θέντες τὰ πάντα πρήγματα καὶ πάσας νομὰς εἶχον. [2] ἔπειτα δὲ χρόνου πολλοῦ διεξελθόντος ἐπύθοντο ἐκ τῆς Αἰγύπτου ἀπικόμενα τὰ οὐνόματα τῶν θεῶν τῶν ἄλλων, Διονύσου δὲ ὕστερον πολλῷ ἐπύθοντο. καὶ μετὰ χρόνον ἐχρηστηριάζοντο περὶ τῶν οὐνομάτων ἐν Δωδώνῃ· τὸ γὰρ δὴ μαντήιον τοῦτο νενόμισται ἀρχαιότατον τῶν ἐν Ἕλλησι χρηστηρίων εἶναι, καὶ ἦν τὸν χρόνον τοῦτον μοῦνον. [3] ἐπεὶ ὦν ἐχρηστηριάζοντο ἐν τῇ Δωδώνῃ οἱ Πελασγοὶ εἰ ἀνέλωνται τὰ οὐνόματα τὰ ἀπὸ τῶν βαρβάρων ἥκοντα, ἀνεῖλε τὸ μαντήιον χρᾶσθαι. ἀπὸ μὲν δὴ τούτου τοῦ χρόνου ἔθυον τοῖσι οὐνόμασι τῶν θεῶν χρεώμενοι· παρὰ δὲ Πελασγῶν Ἕλληνες ἐξεδέξαντο ὕστερον.
 
Polibus

Ovo je jaci argumenat od Polibus-a :
Heleni su govorili isti jezik sa Ilrima ali razlicitim dijaketima ,
I tu treba da zavrsava "Grcka" propaganda :

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Translation:
Perseus, on arriving at Syberra, sold the booty, and rested his army waiting for the return of the envoys. 9 Upon their arrival, after hearing the answer of Genthius, he once more dispatched Adaeus, accompanied by Glaucias, one of his bodyguard, and again by Pleuratus owing to his knowledge of the Illyrian dialect, with the same instructions as before, just as if Genthius had not expressly indicated what he was in need of, and what must be done before he would consent to the request.



Autor , za razliku od danashnjih filohelena ne koristi izraz "JEZIK" vec dijalekat i tu podrazumjevamo da Perseu(Makedon), Adaeus(Grk) i Genti (Ilir) su bili odvojeni samo kroz dijalekta .

Dialect definition:

dialect, a distinctive variety of a language, spoken by members of an identifiable regional group, nation, or social class. Dialects differ from one another in pronunciation, vocabulary, and (often) in grammar. Traditionally they have been regarded as variations from a ‘standard’ educated form of the language, but modern linguists point out that standard forms are themselves dialects which have come to predominate for social and political reasons.
 
Poslednja izmena:
Polibus

Ovo je jaci argumenat od Polibus-a :
Heleni su govorili isti jezik sa Ilrima ali razlicitim dijaketima ,
I tu treba da zavrsava "Grcka" propaganda :

mmga4y.png


Translation:
Perseus, on arriving at Syberra, sold the booty, and rested his army waiting for the return of the envoys. 9 Upon their arrival, after hearing the answer of Genthius, he once more dispatched Adaeus, accompanied by Glaucias, one of his bodyguard, and again by Pleuratus owing to his knowledge of the Illyrian dialect, with the same instructions as before, just as if Genthius had not expressly indicated what he was in need of, and what must be done before he would consent to the request.



Autor , za razliku od danashnjih filohelena ne koristi izraz "JEZIK" vec dijalekat i tu podrazumjevamo da Perseu(Makedon), Adaeus(Grk) i Genti (Ilir) su bili odvojeni samo kroz dijalekta .

Dialect definition:

dialect, a distinctive variety of a language, spoken by members of an identifiable regional group, nation, or social class. Dialects differ from one another in pronunciation, vocabulary, and (often) in grammar. Traditionally they have been regarded as variations from a ‘standard’ educated form of the language, but modern linguists point out that standard forms are themselves dialects which have come to predominate for social and political reasons.

Ono od Herodota je uredu, ali sa Polibijem malo si pobrkao loncice.

Polibije je za vreme Perseja, sluzio u makedonskoj vojsci.

Persej i njegova vojska su govorili jezikom Makedona, znaci makedonski.

Izneta pararela nije izmegju "grckog" i "ilirskog", vec izmegju "makedonskog" i njegovog "ilirskog dijalekta".
 
Poslednja izmena:
Polibus

Ovo je jaci argumenat od Polibus-a :
Heleni su govorili isti jezik sa Ilrima ali razlicitim dijaketima ,
I tu treba da zavrsava "Grcka" propaganda :

mmga4y.png


Translation:
Perseus, on arriving at Syberra, sold the booty, and rested his army waiting for the return of the envoys. 9 Upon their arrival, after hearing the answer of Genthius, he once more dispatched Adaeus, accompanied by Glaucias, one of his bodyguard, and again by Pleuratus owing to his knowledge of the Illyrian dialect, with the same instructions as before, just as if Genthius had not expressly indicated what he was in need of, and what must be done before he would consent to the request.



Autor , za razliku od danashnjih filohelena ne koristi izraz "JEZIK" vec dijalekat i tu podrazumjevamo da Perseu(Makedon), Adaeus(Grk) i Genti (Ilir) su bili odvojeni samo kroz dijalekta .

Dialect definition:

dialect, a distinctive variety of a language, spoken by members of an identifiable regional group, nation, or social class. Dialects differ from one another in pronunciation, vocabulary, and (often) in grammar. Traditionally they have been regarded as variations from a ‘standard’ educated form of the language, but modern linguists point out that standard forms are themselves dialects which have come to predominate for social and political reasons.


To znaci Iliri su bili nekulturni Grci.
 
Приступ погрешан!
Македонија је страрија земља од "Грчке" као и Крит и ту људи треба да се сконцентришу , према суђеном Џосефу Меддеу древни Македонци су Меди?
Али Македонци каскају у месту више их интересује политика нехо историја!
 
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