Da li postoje danas Bugari u Bugarskoj koji govore svoj stari proto bugarski jezik koji je bio srodan sa turskim jezicima ili su svi davno slavenizirani.Zna li neko do koje godine su govorili svoj tursko bugarski ?
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Сматра се да је турски бугарски језик којим су говорили дунавски Бугари нестао у 9-ом веку https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgar_language#Danube_Bolgar
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Бугари који су основали државу 681 године су били примитивна туркијска хорда, они расно и лингвистички нису имали никакве везе са Европом. Изгледали су као Ујгури.
Државу су вам основали Азијати, чији владари су имали титулу хан. Видим да си поносан на своје турко-монголске претке кад си се прозвао ханом.
Jos drzi od protivnickog cara odrubljenu lubanju i oderanu, kao PEHAR za VINO, na AVATARU....vidi se sva dobrota, poboznost, milost, i ljubav....
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Oduvek regijunalizam, decentralizam i separatizam....da je malko, al da ja budem glavni bos....rascjepkanost...i tko zna tko je i cije je to stvarno bilo, te mikro knezevice i zupe.
Velicine 1 opcine, sreza.
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Kan Krum je bio veliki vladar,prosirio je duplo teritorije Bugarske cak do Budimpeste,stvorio je prvi pisani zakoni,nekoliko puta je opsadao Carigrada...stvorio je od Bugarska evropska supersila koja je bila mocna kao Vizantija i Franacka.
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Shto se tiche proto-Bugarskog jezika,On jeste izumro na teritoriji podunavske Bugarske drzave u IX Ili najkasnije u X Veku n.e.,ali njegov naslednik postoji dodushe neshto izmeshan sa drugim jezicima Tursko-Tatarske grane srodnih mu jezika..To je Chuvashki jezik u Chuvashiji,koja je republika u sastavu Rusije..Poshto su Chuvashi najblizhi potomci starih Bugara i malo su kosooki,onda su i stari Bugari bili verovatno josh kosokiji tursko tatarski divljaci na nizhem stupnju civilizacije..koji su se kulturi priveli tek na Balkanu pod uticajem Istochno-Rimskog Carstva,Slovena iOstataka romanizovanih i neromanizovanih Trachana..nekako tim redom..
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Lepo sto se vracaju prablgarskim tradicijama predaka, to samo treba pozdraviti.
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Да ли је оставио икакав отисак у данашњем бугарској језику? Макар једну реч?
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"Куче,бисер,бољарин,белег,шарка,корем,обичам,кака, кумир...."
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Мислим да им је од тих ориђиђи Бугара остало једно прошло време. Тзв. "минало свършено незапомнено време". Тако га барем зову по форумима. Можда се зезају пошто сам нашао да се зове и дубитатив. Спада ваљда у некакве евиденцијале, а не у стандардна времена.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_verbs#Evidentials
Нешто слично постоји у турском. Нпр. нећеш на исти начин рећи "дошао је комшија" ако си га видео са прозора и евентуално поздравио с њим или ако само видиш његов ауто испред зграде. У другом случају закључујеш да је дошао, ниси сведок саме радње (доласка).
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Сад видим да постоји и овај "евиденцијал" (Inferential). Он ми највише личи на "турски перфект".
Kuce turzicam ?
Nisam znao.Obicam mi je vise slavenizam,beleg takodje kao beleznica.Za rijec kumir mi je tipicni turcizam.E sad nekad mi se cini kad nadjem na netu bugarske tekstove kao da u bugarskom nema puno turcizama ili nema nikako ni arabizama,persijanizama.Bugarski me jezik podsjeca kao da je radnja samo u sadasnjosti.Kao da nema proslo i buduce vreme.
Nisam znao.Obicam mi je vise slavenizam,beleg takodje kao beleznica.Za rijec kumir mi je tipicni turcizam.E sad nekad mi se cini kad nadjem na netu bugarske tekstove kao da u bugarskom nema puno turcizama ili nema nikako ni arabizama,persijanizama.Bugarski me jezik podsjeca kao da je radnja samo u sadasnjosti.Kao da nema proslo i buduce vreme.
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Ne znaju se imena njihovih "sedam slovenskih plemena" koja su se pomešala sa protoBugarima i stvorila današnju bugarsku naciju, ali se razumno može pretpostaviti da su se zvala Srbi, Srbi, Srbi, Srbi, Srbi, Srbi i Srbi 
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Погрешно, остаци старобугарског језика са утицајима других турских и татарских језика и даље постоје, како у данашњој републици Бугарској, тако и у Румунији, Украјини, Молдавији, то је такозвани гагауски језик, а народ се назива Гагаузи :
Kuce turzicam ?
За ове речи и ја прочитах негде да их поједини лигвисти сматрају старобугарскима. Неки додају и реч "бубрег".
Требало би ући мало дубље у целу причу, то јест етимологију.
Речи, за које се поуздано зна да су старобугарске су - "Кан-Јувиги", "Ичиргу-Боила" и "Тангра".
Ne znaju se imena njihovih "sedam slovenskih plemena" koja su se pomešala sa protoBugarima i stvorila današnju bugarsku naciju, ali se razumno može pretpostaviti da su se zvala Srbi, Srbi, Srbi, Srbi, Srbi, Srbi i Srbi
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"In the Ghetto. The Roma of Stolipinovo” documents the perspectives and experiences of Roma inhabitants in their neighbourhood over the last decades. It tells a striking tale of unemployment, hunger, insufficient medical care, illiteracy and segregated schools in one of the biggest Roma ghettos in Southeastern Europe.
The documentary shows Stolipinovo in the years before and after the accession of Bulgaria to the European Union (2006/2007) and illustrates the extreme living conditions and their relation to perpetuated persecution and discrimination, which are unfortunately still relevant today.
Hermann Peseckas and Andreas Kunz were the first film makers to shoot a feature-length documentary in Stolipinovo and they give an inside view on traditions, history and everyday life "In the Ghetto".
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"In the Ghetto. The Roma of Stolipinovo” documents the perspectives and experiences of Roma inhabitants in their neighbourhood over the last decades. It tells a striking tale of unemployment, hunger, insufficient medical care, illiteracy and segregated schools in one of the biggest Roma ghettos in Southeastern Europe.
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Script: Andreas Kunz, Hermann Peseckas
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Present-day Bulgarians carry genes of Thracians and Proto-Bulgarians, not of Slavs
URL:
http://bnr.bg/en/post/100729084/pre...f-thracians-and-proto-bulgarians-not-of-slavs
A study of the genetic code of Bulgarians is about to eliminate the deeply rooted hypothesis of the Turkic-Altaic origin of Bulgarians. Recently, Bulgarian and Italian scientists teamed up for a project to decode the genes of present-day Bulgarians and the results have been stunning. The study has also raised a rhetoric question: will genetics as an exact science unburdened by emotion succeed in fighting ideological prejudice?
To be able to draw up a genetic map which suggests that Bulgarians are the heirs of Thracians and Proto-Bulgarians, the scientists had to go back 5 thousand years in time. First of all, they took bones and teeth found in Thracian necropolises. Genetic material from Proto-Bulgarians dates back to 8 to 10 c. AD. Further on, they compared samples from the past to the genes of 900 contemporary Bulgarians. The results were as follows, in brief: A European population with closest genetic similarity to Hungarians, Croats and Italians.
The major study exploring the origin of Bulgarians involves the Medical Genetics Chair of Sofia's Medical University, the Institute of Microbiology, the Institute of Anthropology, the National Archeological Institute at the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences and а state-of-the-art laboratory in Florence in charge of testing genetic material.
“Taking a look at the genetic map we can see that the Thracians are more detached from present-day Bulgarians and Proto-Bulgarians, while present-day Bulgarians and Proto-Bulgarians are more similar”, explains Desislava Nesheva, genetic expert at Medical Genetics Chair of the Medical University. “This is due to the great difference in time - the Thracians inhabited these lands millennia BC and there is little evidence about them. However, there is enough proof to claim that they are genetically close to contemporary Bulgarians and to Proto-Bulgarians, and the curious thing is that the Greek are more unlike them. We have found that Bulgarians have no genetic similarities with either Turkic or Altaic populations. We do not have genetic similarities with contemporary Turks either, though during the Turkish yoke (1396-1878) there was mixing of genetic material. Even Proto-Bulgarians have no genetic similarities with either the Turks, or Turkic and Altaic populations. Unfortunately, we could not explore ancient Slavs, because we had no access to genetic material from them - they practiced cremation. However, drawing comparisons with contemporary Slavs suggests that we have no similarities with them.”
What has necessitated the theory that Bulgarians are Slavs? Was it mere politics or the lack of trustworthy methods of research?
“It's both, in a way”, Desislava Nesheva admits. “You are aware that history is rewritten depending on political goals and interests. On the other hand, genetics has made remarkable progress in the last decades. We have used the best methodology and the results are first class. So, a discussion is now possible on how history has been distorted and manipulated - while genetics is an exact science.”
And once there is solid proof that Bulgarians carry the genes of Thracians, here is who they were in brief - they represented an ancient civilization that left a wealth of heritage in the Balkans, including amazing gold treasures from the time of Classical Antiquity.
The results in the genetic study will be published in a reputable scientific journal. Now scientists hope they could find financing to be able to go back to the eighth millennium BC and research even more ancient tribes who used to inhabit what is Bulgaria today.
URL:
http://bnr.bg/en/post/100729084/pre...f-thracians-and-proto-bulgarians-not-of-slavs
A study of the genetic code of Bulgarians is about to eliminate the deeply rooted hypothesis of the Turkic-Altaic origin of Bulgarians. Recently, Bulgarian and Italian scientists teamed up for a project to decode the genes of present-day Bulgarians and the results have been stunning. The study has also raised a rhetoric question: will genetics as an exact science unburdened by emotion succeed in fighting ideological prejudice?
To be able to draw up a genetic map which suggests that Bulgarians are the heirs of Thracians and Proto-Bulgarians, the scientists had to go back 5 thousand years in time. First of all, they took bones and teeth found in Thracian necropolises. Genetic material from Proto-Bulgarians dates back to 8 to 10 c. AD. Further on, they compared samples from the past to the genes of 900 contemporary Bulgarians. The results were as follows, in brief: A European population with closest genetic similarity to Hungarians, Croats and Italians.
The major study exploring the origin of Bulgarians involves the Medical Genetics Chair of Sofia's Medical University, the Institute of Microbiology, the Institute of Anthropology, the National Archeological Institute at the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences and а state-of-the-art laboratory in Florence in charge of testing genetic material.
“Taking a look at the genetic map we can see that the Thracians are more detached from present-day Bulgarians and Proto-Bulgarians, while present-day Bulgarians and Proto-Bulgarians are more similar”, explains Desislava Nesheva, genetic expert at Medical Genetics Chair of the Medical University. “This is due to the great difference in time - the Thracians inhabited these lands millennia BC and there is little evidence about them. However, there is enough proof to claim that they are genetically close to contemporary Bulgarians and to Proto-Bulgarians, and the curious thing is that the Greek are more unlike them. We have found that Bulgarians have no genetic similarities with either Turkic or Altaic populations. We do not have genetic similarities with contemporary Turks either, though during the Turkish yoke (1396-1878) there was mixing of genetic material. Even Proto-Bulgarians have no genetic similarities with either the Turks, or Turkic and Altaic populations. Unfortunately, we could not explore ancient Slavs, because we had no access to genetic material from them - they practiced cremation. However, drawing comparisons with contemporary Slavs suggests that we have no similarities with them.”
What has necessitated the theory that Bulgarians are Slavs? Was it mere politics or the lack of trustworthy methods of research?
“It's both, in a way”, Desislava Nesheva admits. “You are aware that history is rewritten depending on political goals and interests. On the other hand, genetics has made remarkable progress in the last decades. We have used the best methodology and the results are first class. So, a discussion is now possible on how history has been distorted and manipulated - while genetics is an exact science.”
And once there is solid proof that Bulgarians carry the genes of Thracians, here is who they were in brief - they represented an ancient civilization that left a wealth of heritage in the Balkans, including amazing gold treasures from the time of Classical Antiquity.
The results in the genetic study will be published in a reputable scientific journal. Now scientists hope they could find financing to be able to go back to the eighth millennium BC and research even more ancient tribes who used to inhabit what is Bulgaria today.
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