Istine i zablude o vakcinaciji protiv korona virusa - Onlajn tribina

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"SZO još ranije je istakla da se ne savetuje uvođenje potvrde o vakcinaciji ili stečenom imunitetu kao uslova za prelazak granica. Kako je SZO navela, vakcine još uvek nisu svuda dostupne, a nije ni poznato u kojoj meri vakcinacija sprečava prenos virusa. Protivi se i uvođenju testova na antitela koji bi se koristili kao potvrda da je neko preležao kovid jer „trenutno ne postoje dokazi da osobe koje su se oporavile od kovida 19 a koje imaju antitela jesu zaštićene od naredne infekcije"
 
Lepo je to što si ti teoretski zamislila. Da se svi vakcinišemo i bude kraj pandemiji. Podaci na terenu govori nešto sasvim suprotno. Recimo, u nekim državama u SAD, 60% prijavljenih novih slučajeva su potpuno vakcinisani ljudi. Ti kao vakcinisana ćeš verovatno da imaš blaži oblik ako se zaraziš, ali niti si ti potpuno zaštićena niti je bilo ko oko tebe zaštićen od tebe same koja možeš da prenosiš virus kao i bilo ko drugi.
Trenutno postoji 80 vakcina u raznim fazama ispitivanja. Možda će neka da ubode kako treba? Ovo što sada imamo nije potpuno rešenje, to svi stručnjaci kažu. Koncenzus je da su sa sadašnjim vakcinama posledice korone na pojedinca znatno umanjene i to je za mnoge dovoljan razlog da ih prime. Ima i onih kojima to nije dovoljno a oni nisi ništa više opasni po okolinu od onih koji su vakcinu primili.
Trampovi mediji, Stiv Benon, Instagram...

No, vaccinated people don’t make up 60% of new COVID-19 cases​

  • The CDC reports that out of 87 million fully vaccinated people, 7,157 people had breakthrough cases of COVID-19. That’s 0.008% of all fully vaccinated people.
  • A study of healthcare workers and frontline personnel who received the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines showed that the vaccines were 80% effective after the first dose, and 90% after the second.
See the sources for this fact-check
The worldwide push to get people vaccinated against COVID-19 is based on scientific evidence that shows that vaccines help reduce the spread of the virus and minimize the severity of infections in those who have been inoculated.
But a widely shared social media claim suggests otherwise.
"Yale public health professor suggests 60% of new COVID-19 patients have received vaccine," reads a screenshot of a headline shared on Instagram. The article pictured goes on to quote Yale professor Dr. Harvey Risch: "Clinicians have been telling me that more than half of the new COVID cases that they’re treating are people who have been vaccinated."
The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.) It was shared April 22 on Instagram by Leila Centner, co-founder of the 300-student Centner Academy, a private Miami school that made news a few days later for barring vaccinated teachers from having contact with students, citing debunked claims about unvaccinated people suffering adverse effects after being around those who are not.
The claim is wrong.
Risch made the comments in the post during an April 19, 2021, interview on "Steve Bannon’s War Room" video and podcast livestream. Here’s what he said in full:
"What clinicians are telling me is more than half of the new COVID cases that they’re seeing to treat is people who’ve been vaccinated," Dr. Risch said. "They’ve estimated 60% of new patients they’ve been treating have been people who’ve been vaccinated."
Risch said that the American public is being "sold on'' the COVID-19 vaccine, and that vaccine companies have "provided no information" on what the vaccines do to prevent the spread of infection.
Risch’s claim, which appears to be anecdotal, does not line up with what data shows about COVID-19 cases among those who have been vaccinated.
The CDC reported that as of April 20, 2021, more than 87 million people in the country have been fully vaccinated. Out of that number, 7,157 breakthrough cases, or cases in which a person gets sick with a disease after vaccination, were reported.
When those numbers are tallied up, the total number of breakthrough cases comes to only 0.008% of all fully vaccinated people. The week that Risch made his comment, April 12-19, there were 525,000 total new cases in the U.S, according to the CDC. Even if all those 7,157 breakthrough cases came in that week (which is highly unlikely since vaccinations began in December) the percentage of new cases that came from people who had the vaccine would have been only about 1.4%.
Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, cited additional data from the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report published by the CDC on April 2, 2021, which studied 3,950 vaccinated healthcare workers and frontline personnel who received the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines.
The study showed that the vaccine was 80% effective after the first dose, and 90% after the second.
"It’s just more evidence that if you’re vaccinated, you’re much, much less likely to be infected, which is what the approval studies also show."
Offit said that for the most part, all of the COVID-19 breakthrough cases have been mild or asymptomatic, and that the vaccine technology has worked extremely well in both pre-approval studies and now in the public.
"It was used to stop a virus which has had a number of clinical and pathological surprises," Offit said. "It didn’t appear to have any serious side-effect in pre-approval studies with tens of thousands of people, and now we know it doesn’t seem to have any serious side-effect when it’s been in more than a hundred million people, you know, two hundred million doses are out there. It is remarkable."
Our ruling
An Instagram post credits a Yale professor as saying that out of the new COVID-19 cases, 60% are patients who have had the vaccine.
The CDC reported that as of April 20, only 7,157 breakthrough cases have been reported out of 87 million fully vaccinated people. That’s 0.008% of the vaccinated population.
Studies show that the mRNA vaccines are 80% effective after one dose, and 90% effective after two doses.
We rate this Instagram claim Pants on Fire!

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...cinated-people-dont-make-60-new-covid-19-cas/
 
Trampovi mediji, Stiv Benon, Instagram...

No, vaccinated people don’t make up 60% of new COVID-19 cases​

  • The CDC reports that out of 87 million fully vaccinated people, 7,157 people had breakthrough cases of COVID-19. That’s 0.008% of all fully vaccinated people.
  • A study of healthcare workers and frontline personnel who received the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines showed that the vaccines were 80% effective after the first dose, and 90% after the second.
See the sources for this fact-check
The worldwide push to get people vaccinated against COVID-19 is based on scientific evidence that shows that vaccines help reduce the spread of the virus and minimize the severity of infections in those who have been inoculated.
But a widely shared social media claim suggests otherwise.
"Yale public health professor suggests 60% of new COVID-19 patients have received vaccine," reads a screenshot of a headline shared on Instagram. The article pictured goes on to quote Yale professor Dr. Harvey Risch: "Clinicians have been telling me that more than half of the new COVID cases that they’re treating are people who have been vaccinated."
The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.) It was shared April 22 on Instagram by Leila Centner, co-founder of the 300-student Centner Academy, a private Miami school that made news a few days later for barring vaccinated teachers from having contact with students, citing debunked claims about unvaccinated people suffering adverse effects after being around those who are not.
The claim is wrong.
Risch made the comments in the post during an April 19, 2021, interview on "Steve Bannon’s War Room" video and podcast livestream. Here’s what he said in full:
"What clinicians are telling me is more than half of the new COVID cases that they’re seeing to treat is people who’ve been vaccinated," Dr. Risch said. "They’ve estimated 60% of new patients they’ve been treating have been people who’ve been vaccinated."
Risch said that the American public is being "sold on'' the COVID-19 vaccine, and that vaccine companies have "provided no information" on what the vaccines do to prevent the spread of infection.
Risch’s claim, which appears to be anecdotal, does not line up with what data shows about COVID-19 cases among those who have been vaccinated.
The CDC reported that as of April 20, 2021, more than 87 million people in the country have been fully vaccinated. Out of that number, 7,157 breakthrough cases, or cases in which a person gets sick with a disease after vaccination, were reported.
When those numbers are tallied up, the total number of breakthrough cases comes to only 0.008% of all fully vaccinated people. The week that Risch made his comment, April 12-19, there were 525,000 total new cases in the U.S, according to the CDC. Even if all those 7,157 breakthrough cases came in that week (which is highly unlikely since vaccinations began in December) the percentage of new cases that came from people who had the vaccine would have been only about 1.4%.
Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, cited additional data from the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report published by the CDC on April 2, 2021, which studied 3,950 vaccinated healthcare workers and frontline personnel who received the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines.
The study showed that the vaccine was 80% effective after the first dose, and 90% after the second.
"It’s just more evidence that if you’re vaccinated, you’re much, much less likely to be infected, which is what the approval studies also show."
Offit said that for the most part, all of the COVID-19 breakthrough cases have been mild or asymptomatic, and that the vaccine technology has worked extremely well in both pre-approval studies and now in the public.
"It was used to stop a virus which has had a number of clinical and pathological surprises," Offit said. "It didn’t appear to have any serious side-effect in pre-approval studies with tens of thousands of people, and now we know it doesn’t seem to have any serious side-effect when it’s been in more than a hundred million people, you know, two hundred million doses are out there. It is remarkable."
Our ruling
An Instagram post credits a Yale professor as saying that out of the new COVID-19 cases, 60% are patients who have had the vaccine.
The CDC reported that as of April 20, only 7,157 breakthrough cases have been reported out of 87 million fully vaccinated people. That’s 0.008% of the vaccinated population.
Studies show that the mRNA vaccines are 80% effective after one dose, and 90% effective after two doses.
We rate this Instagram claim Pants on Fire!

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...cinated-people-dont-make-60-new-covid-19-cas/
separatisanje na "Trampove medije" i one ostale može da se protumači i ovako: Ako je pola Amerike za Trampa onda vesti i sa jedne i sa druge strane imaju podjednake šanse da budu tačne.
 
separatisanje na "Trampove medije" i one ostale može da se protumači i ovako: Ako je pola Amerike za Trampa onda vesti i sa jedne i sa druge strane imaju podjednake šanse da budu tačne.
CDC je valjda nešto što je jače od svih medija.
Inače Trampove medije čine obični sajtovi i youtuberi, instagrameri...Već su se obrukali sa navodnom kradjom izbora koju je odbio Vrhovni sud sastavljen od Trampovih republikanaca. Meni je smešno što ti Trampovci po Americi su veliki protivnici vakcina kada je sam Tramp dosta doprineo proizvodnji vakcina i činjenici da je već preko 50% odraslih primilo vakcinu u USA. Ali to samo govori koliko je QAnon grupacija nelogična. Oni vakcine vide kao neko sredstvo globalista, Bil Gejtsa i Bajdena a ono pre svega Trampova zasluga. Vakcinu su primili i Tramp i Pens. Samo Tramp tajno jer svestan je da bi mu to srozalo popularnost.
 
CDC je valjda nešto što je jače od svih medija.
Inače Trampove medije čine obični sajtovi i youtuberi, instagrameri...Već su se obrukali sa navodnom kradjom izbora koju je odbio Vrhovni sud sastavljen od Trampovih republikanaca. Meni je smešno što ti Trampovci po Americi su veliki protivnici vakcina kada je sam Tramp dosta doprineo proizvodnji vakcina i činjenici da je već preko 50% odraslih primilo vakcinu u USA. Ali to samo govori koliko je QAnon grupacija nelogična. Oni vakcine vide kao neko sredstvo globalista, Bil Gejtsa i Bajdena a ono pre svega Trampova zasluga. Vakcinu su primili i Tramp i Pens. Samo Tramp tajno jer svestan je da bi mu to srozalo popularnost.
Rasprava na ovu temu je strogo cenzurisana svugde pa i ovde a ja nemam nameru da mi se brišu postovi ili da budem kažnjavan zato što iznosim svoje mišljenje. Neka bude kako si ti rekao a vreme će da pokaže da li je tačno.
 
I meni je to interesantno.

Kako to da se u drugim zemljama, znatno razvijenijim od naše, šatro teže dolazi do vakcina, i da se tamo vakcinišu uglavnom samo sa jednom ili max dve vrste vakcina, dok u isto vreme mi ovde imamo švedski sto sa vakcinama, pa čak stižemo da pelcujemo i stanovnike susednih država?

I kako to da se u drugim državama daleko više priča o nuspojavama određenih tipova vakcine, da se odlaže vakcinacija određenih starosnih grupacija, dok kod nas i kad ljude vakcinišu sa dve različite vrste vakcina, prave se kako je sve OK...

Mnogo je ovde otvorenih pitanja (pri tom ne mislim na one antivakserske gluposti o čipovanju, otrovima, sterilitetu i slično) na koje se ne nude odgovori, već se uporno i prilično agresivno agituje o nužnosti vakcinacije, a za svako ko izrazi bilo kakvu sumnju biva javno anatemisan i proglašen za antivaksera, koji ne veruje u kovid..

Mi i dalje ne znamo koliko antitela traju nakon vakcinacije, koliko je doza potrebno, da li taj što je vakcinisan može ili ne može da fasuje kovid, da li je, zbog čega i kada potrebno da se vakcinišemo mi koji smo preležali kovid, kakve sve tačno nuspojave može da izazove određena vakcina...

A pri tom svi peru ruke od odgovornosti u slučaju nekih negativnih posledica vakcinacije.
Slazem se sa ovim.
Svakako treba ispitati koliko kostaju sve te silne vakcine ,koliko se ko ogradio ,zaduzio narod,...ali ovde nista nije transparentno sve se radi tajno .
Tako je i prosle godine bilo u vezi nabavke tih famoznih respiratora,maski...
Normalno da je ljudima odbojno kada se vrsi uporna propaganda u vezi navodne neophodnosti vakcinisanja.
 
Slazem se sa ovim.
Svakako treba ispitati koliko kostaju sve te silne vakcine ,koliko se ko ogradio ,zaduzio narod,...ali ovde nista nije transparentno sve se radi tajno .
Tako je i prosle godine bilo u vezi nabavke tih famoznih respiratora,maski...
Normalno da je ljudima odbojno kada se vrsi uporna propaganda u vezi navodne neophodnosti vakcinisanja.
Vucic je zaduzio narod do groba kupovinom tih vakcina, respiratora,
maski. Cene za kinesku vakcinu ( koja nazalost nije nikakva) su
astronomske, znaci da on uzima kredite kod Kineza a oni mu isporucuju
nesto sto ostali svet nece, a za muljanje i kradju oko respiratora i maski
niko nista ne zna, cak se ne zna ni da li su ti respiratori i fizicki stigli
u Srbiju.
 
Najnovija objava Svetske Zdravstvene Organizacije.

Citat:

"SZO još ranije je istakla da se ne savetuje uvođenje potvrde o vakcinaciji ili stečenom imunitetu kao uslova za prelazak granica. Kako je SZO navela, vakcine još uvek nisu svuda dostupne, a nije ni poznato u kojoj meri vakcinacija sprečava prenos virusa. Protivi se i uvođenju testova na antitela koji bi se koristili kao potvrda da je neko preležao kovid jer „trenutno ne postoje dokazi da osobe koje su se oporavile od kovida 19 a koje imaju antitela jesu zaštićene od naredne infekcije"
Vode se citave bitke oko tih potvrda o vakcinaciji jer ipak nije u redu
da privreda umire i sledece dve godine, da stari ljudi koji su vakcinisani
ne smeju i ne mogu nigde da izadju, a ostalo im je mozda i dve-tri
godine zivota, a ipak te vakcine na neki nacin stite i ti vakcinisani
sigurno nece opterecivati zdravstveni sistem, a daju neki svoj doprinos
privredi tako sto izlaze, jedu, piju, putuju, idu u pozoriste, na koncert.
 
CDC je valjda nešto što je jače od svih medija.
Inače Trampove medije čine obični sajtovi i youtuberi, instagrameri...Već su se obrukali sa navodnom kradjom izbora koju je odbio Vrhovni sud sastavljen od Trampovih republikanaca. Meni je smešno što ti Trampovci po Americi su veliki protivnici vakcina kada je sam Tramp dosta doprineo proizvodnji vakcina i činjenici da je već preko 50% odraslih primilo vakcinu u USA. Ali to samo govori koliko je QAnon grupacija nelogična. Oni vakcine vide kao neko sredstvo globalista, Bil Gejtsa i Bajdena a ono pre svega Trampova zasluga. Vakcinu su primili i Tramp i Pens. Samo Tramp tajno jer svestan je da bi mu to srozalo popularnost.
To da Trumpisti ( Republikanci) odbijaju vakcine jer su tupi i glupi,
a Demokrate trche da se vakcinisu okaci macku o rep.
To je narativ koji se prosipa po svetu ( Evropa, USA) i vazi
i pre nego sto je on postao predsednik. Zahvaljujuci bas njemu
USA stoji ovako dobro sa vakcinama. Milijarde i milijarde su ulozene
u nauku, Biden je dosao " na gotovo".
 
To da Trumpisti ( Republikanci) odbijaju vakcine jer su tupi i glupi,
a Demokrate trche da se vakcinisu okaci macku o rep.
To je narativ koji se prosipa po svetu ( Evropa, USA) i vazi
i pre nego sto je on postao predsednik. Zahvaljujuci bas njemu
USA stoji ovako dobro sa vakcinama. Milijarde i milijarde su ulozene
u nauku, Biden je dosao " na gotovo".
Da, ali ti ne kontaš psihologiju Trampovih birača, iako ih je Tramp pre mesec dana pozvao da se vakcinišu republikanske države imaju nisku stopu vakcinacije osim možda Teksasa i Floride. Dok demokratske države imaju visoke stope. Da je Tramp ostao predsednik verovatno bi bilo nešto drugačije i ne bi sada usporila vakcinacija u USA. Ipak, republikanci sada smatraju da je sve to zavera Bajdena,Faučija i Gejtsa. Svakako nisu mnogo bistri jer Tramp bi im istu stvar govorio.

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I meni je to interesantno.

Kako to da se u drugim zemljama, znatno razvijenijim od naše, šatro teže dolazi do vakcina, i da se tamo vakcinišu uglavnom samo sa jednom ili max dve vrste vakcina, dok u isto vreme mi ovde imamo švedski sto sa vakcinama, pa čak stižemo da pelcujemo i stanovnike susednih država?

I kako to da se u drugim državama daleko više priča o nuspojavama određenih tipova vakcine,
Zaista je tako da u EU vakcina nema jer recimo o kineskoj i ne
razmisljaju ( nece nikada ni razmisljati), proslog leta Astra Zeneca
bila je obecavajuca, ali bio je to i BinTech ( Pfizer) i onda su ove
budaletine iz frakcije siromasnijih iz EU ( Bugarska, Rumanija, Poljska,
Slovacka, Ceska, Madjarska i Balticke zemlje) zelele samo tu jer
kosta 1,5 dolara, a ova BioNtech oko 13-14 dolara. Zeleli su jeftino
da prodju. Onda se ispostavlja da Astrazeneca izaziva trombozu,
neznatno, ali je stotinak mladjih ljudi obogaljeno, desetak i umrlo
i onda su batalili tu vakcinu negu su svi odjednom zeleli BioNtech/Pfizer, a nje naravno nema na stotine miliona za mesec dana.
Sputnik nije dovoljno ispitan, pretpostavlja se da i Sputnik, kao i J&J
izaziva ove tromboze jer su to sve vektorske vakcine.

Srbija ( konkreto Vucic) na racun srpskog poreskog obaveznika
kurchi se, deli i poklanja vakcine i to ne kinesku nego Zenecu koja
je odlicna vakcina, ali posto je jeftina moze da je deli.
 
Ne, nisu u manjini nego je recimo sistem fifti/fifti, ali recimo ja
konkretno, ne kao moderator, nego kao covek zelim da zivim bez
straha da cu se zaraziti, ali jos vise zelim da mogu da se krecem normalno, da mogu da putujem, izlazim i zalazim u ducane bez maske,
a to mi vi onemugucujete.
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