George R. R. Martin-Pesma Leda i Vatre

Ovaj Martin je ubio boga u meni. Knjiga je trebalo da izadje pre dve godine, a sada je verovatno ni necu procitati sve dok ne zavrsi serijal

Rok za izlazak knjige najavljivan je i demantovan više puta od strane Martina. Prvo je krajem 2006 trebalo da izađe knjiga. Pa na leto 2007. Zatim je bio datum u 2008. Pa smo je očekivali na proleće ove godine. A poslednji rok koji je zadao sebi je da napiše knjigu do juna 2009 da bi izašla do kraja godine. I to je prekršio. Mislim da mu pucaju nervi. Piščeva blokada ko zna.
Takođe, uključio se u PREVIŠE projekata simultativno. Piše i uređuje Wild Cards serijal. Izašlo mu je nekoliko knjiga koje je zajedno radio sa pojedinim piscima. A uključio se i u projekte izrade replika mačeva, minijaturnih figurica, kalendara. Svemu što mu donosi pare, i sve želi da kontroliše sam. Pa naravno da zbog toga ne može da piše. Kad radi posao za deset ljudi. Odličan je pisac, ali je odlepio što se tiče organizacije sopstvenog vremena. Dedi treba pomoć više asistenata, ali on neće da ih unajmi.

Inače, kad je izašla Gozba navodno je već bilo napisano pola Plesa. Ali, onda je usledio rewriting od strane Martina, pa je takođe nekoliko puta urađena revizija već napisanog. A da nije završio priču u potpunosti od pojednih likova. Ni sada se ne zna koliko mu je tačno ostalo. Ja se nadam da će završiti do septembra. Pa da knjiga izađe negde na proleće 2010.
 
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U tom slučaju, više nema ni bližih ni daljih rođaka Starkova, ma nema ni miša preživelog iz Zimovrela... A i sam zamak je srušen, nakon što je spaljen u knjizi, a tlo je posoljeno tako da na njemu nikada više ništa ne nikne... :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:


Kada je o knjizi reč, Martin je pre puta u Finsku objavio jedan POZITIVNI post na svom blogu. Tako da se nadam sada da ćemo Ples sa zmajevima videti do proleća odnosno leta 2010. godine. :mrgreen: :vatromet:
 
Kada je o knjizi reč, Martin je pre puta u Finsku objavio jedan POZITIVNI post na svom blogu. Tako da se nadam sada da ćemo Ples sa zmajevima videti do proleća odnosno leta 2010. godine. :mrgreen: :vatromet:

Zamisli neki ljudi se jos uvek nadaju. Kako je to lepo.:klap: Ja sam cuo da je imao i nekih zdravstvenih problema, pa da se navodno dovodi u pitanje da li ce da dozivi da zavrsi serijal. Iskreno, mene vise brine da li cu ja doziveti da procitam serijal
 
Živa je i Nimerija, Arjina vučica. A Martin je najavio "Ples sa zmajevima" za ovu jesen. Doduše, vidim da planira roman za novog izdavača, kao i još jednu knjigu u serijalu Wild Cards, tako da postoje dve mogućnosti: ili se smorio od TSoIaF, ili je završio knjigu pa se sada baca na nove projekte. A dok čekaš Martina, oprobaj se sa nekim novim piscem. Imaš na mom blogu spisak onoga što sam pročitao u proteklih šest meseci, pa pročeprkaj.
 
:eek:Pratim ovu temu neko vreme, ali nisam sve komentare iscitala.
Da li je jos neki vuk osim Duha ziv i pomenut (procitala do Oluje maceva 2.)?

Mislim da su do Oluje dva sve lepo objasnili već al ajd, ne sećam se svega. :think: Čitaj pažljivije. Živi su svi vukovi osim Sansinog i Robovog. Ledi je ubio Edard, a Sivog vetra su ubili Freji.

Leto je sa Brenom sa one strane zida, Čupko je sa Rikonom negde na Severu, najverovatnije na Skagosu prema nekim teorijama. Da ne ulazim sada u to. Duh je naravno na Zidu, a Ajrina Nimerija divlja na čelu čopora po Rečnim zemljama a možda i šire.

Inace, Tireli mi deluju kao cestita familija...

Upravo tako, "deluju". :mrgreen: Ona bakica od trnja je opasnija od Sersei sto puta... :)

Bice tu jos delova (nadam se):worth:

Svi se nadamo, ali.... Pa, nada umire poslednja... :mrgreen:

Živa je i Nimerija, Arjina vučica. A Martin je najavio "Ples sa zmajevima" za ovu jesen. Doduše, vidim da planira roman za novog izdavača, kao i još jednu knjigu u serijalu Wild Cards, tako da postoje dve mogućnosti: ili se smorio od TSoIaF, ili je završio knjigu pa se sada baca na nove projekte. A dok čekaš Martina, oprobaj se sa nekim novim piscem. Imaš na mom blogu spisak onoga što sam pročitao u proteklih šest meseci, pa pročeprkaj.

Knjiga će izaći tokom 2010. godine ili neće nikada... To je neko moje mišljenje... :hahaha:

Čitao sam tvoj blog, svaka čast na prevodima. Nego interesuje me da li znaš kada će izaći prvi deo Sandersona, Odiseja još uvek postoji zar ne? I ovaj Hari Turdlov što ga prevodiš ili kako se već tačno zove :mrgreen: je pisac one sage od osam delova kada vanzemaljci napadaju Zemlju tokom Drugog svetskog rata? Zaboravio sam kako se zove serijal, imam ga na Eng na kompu ali nikako da ga pročitam...
 
Poslednja izmena:
Hvala na komentarima u vezi s blogom. Trudim se. Nego, da odgovorim:

"Ples sa zmajevima" najavljen je za jesen, ali pomeren je za početak naredne godine. Pretpostavljam da je to stoga što se Martin angažovao na promociji nove trilogije u serijalu Wild Cards, što je njemu lično kudikamo važnije od "Leda i vatre".

"Odiseja" i dalje postoji i navodno nisu odustali od izdavanja Sendersona. Drma ih kriza, kao i sve ostale, uključujući i veće izdavače. "Poslednje carstvo" je pozamašan zalogaj. Lično mislim da će se pojaviti do oktobarskog sajma knjiga, ili se neće pojaviti uopšte.

Jeste, Tartldav je pisao World War i Colonization. Za IPS sam preveo "Izgubljenu legiju" - roman koji prati doživljaje tri Cezarove kohorte prebačene u drugi svet - a trebalo bi da prevedem "Ruled Britania", što je roman koji počiva na pretpostavci da su Španci osvojili Englesku u Elizabetino vreme.

Trenutno vlada zatišje u izdavaštvu. Svi su se povukli i čekaju nešto... Trudim se da na blogu obaveštavam ljude koliko mogu o stanju u izdavaštvu i o novim knjigama, kako naših tako i stranih izdavača.

Na kraju, ako vam se dopada moj blog - učlanite se i ostavljajte komentare. Vi ste mi sjajan argument kada se kod urednika zalažem da se objavi nešto novo.
 
Hvala na komentarima u vezi s blogom. Trudim se. Nego, da odgovorim:

"Ples sa zmajevima" najavljen je za jesen, ali pomeren je za početak naredne godine. Pretpostavljam da je to stoga što se Martin angažovao na promociji nove trilogije u serijalu Wild Cards, što je njemu lično kudikamo važnije od "Leda i vatre".

"Odiseja" i dalje postoji i navodno nisu odustali od izdavanja Sendersona. Drma ih kriza, kao i sve ostale, uključujući i veće izdavače. "Poslednje carstvo" je pozamašan zalogaj. Lično mislim da će se pojaviti do oktobarskog sajma knjiga, ili se neće pojaviti uopšte.

Jeste, Tartldav je pisao World War i Colonization. Za IPS sam preveo "Izgubljenu legiju" - roman koji prati doživljaje tri Cezarove kohorte prebačene u drugi svet - a trebalo bi da prevedem "Ruled Britania", što je roman koji počiva na pretpostavci da su Španci osvojili Englesku u Elizabetino vreme.

Trenutno vlada zatišje u izdavaštvu. Svi su se povukli i čekaju nešto... Trudim se da na blogu obaveštavam ljude koliko mogu o stanju u izdavaštvu i o novim knjigama, kako naših tako i stranih izdavača.

Na kraju, ako vam se dopada moj blog - učlanite se i ostavljajte komentare. Vi ste mi sjajan argument kada se kod urednika zalažem da se objavi nešto novo.

Moraću da pazarim tu Legiju :mrgreen:, a da li postoji interesovanje za Worldwar serijal da se prevodi, mislim pročitaću ga ja sa kompa kao i Sandresona što sam pročitao... Ali, naš prevod i knjiga na papiru su uvek bolji od e-knjige na engleskom. Mislim najbolje je čitati u originalu na papiru, ali ti originali se teško nalaze a i cene im nisu baš za mene...
Nego da dodam samo, ne mogu da zamislim boljeg čoveka da prevodi Sandersona od tebe, ali ozbiljno. Tvoji prevodi su mi jedni od najboljih od ovih novijih izdanja u domaćem izdavaštvu da se tako izrazim.... :)
 
Iskren da budem, Tartldav, Senderson, Kiz (pa i svojevremeno Martin u "Laguni" objavljeni su na moje preporuke, a te preporuke su zasnovane na onome što se meni dopada da čitam i da prevodim. Tartldav je plodan pisac i priličan broj njegovih romana dopada mi se više od serijala World War. Sem toga, u igri je i njegov novi serijal, "Atlantis". Videćemo kako će se stvari odvijati. Kao što rekoh, trenutno sve stoji. Pratite moj blog. Pokušaću da dobijem dozvole izdavača da stavim neke odlomke romana u najavi.
 
Iskren da budem, Tartldav, Senderson, Kiz (pa i svojevremeno Martin u "Laguni" objavljeni su na moje preporuke, a te preporuke su zasnovane na onome što se meni dopada da čitam i da prevodim. Tartldav je plodan pisac i priličan broj njegovih romana dopada mi se više od serijala World War. Sem toga, u igri je i njegov novi serijal, "Atlantis". Videćemo kako će se stvari odvijati. Kao što rekoh, trenutno sve stoji. Pratite moj blog. Pokušaću da dobijem dozvole izdavača da stavim neke odlomke romana u najavi.

:ok: :)
 
Cinimi se da ce knjiga da se zavrsi recenicom:

I u tom momentu crvena kometa je pala na zemlju i zbrisala komletnu populaciju Vesterosa i okoline. Prezivele su samo skorpije i bubasvabe. Ali su i one vremenom pocrkale od gladi....

Smorio me je GRRM. Slabo citam taj tip knjiga u zadnje vreme. SAcekacu jednostvano da vidim oce li zavrsiti knjigu ili ce knjiga zavrsiti njega pa da i ne citam...
 
Martin je na Conu u Montrealu po prvi put pročitao Brenovo prvo poglavlje iz Plesa sa zmajevima. Inače, dosad su u opticaju bila Denerisina 4 poglavlja, Džonova tri, Tirionova dva, Davosova 2 mislim, Teonovo jedno, Prolog i sad ovo. :mrgreen: Naravno, na Engleskom je sve mrzelo me je da prevodim, ima mnogo. :)


***ADWD SPOILERS***

Are we there yet? Bran thinks, but dares not say. The group passes under more and more trees: oaks, pine, evergreens. Bran continues to sit in his basket atop Hodor, nearly hitting his head on the overhanging branches. How much further? Where is the three-eyed crow?

Hodor walks with one eye frozen shut. He holds the rusty old sword from Winterfell, slashing at tree branches that get in his way. He has snow up to his knees, and his beard is covered in ice.

Bran notices that it is different in the Haunted Forest. The group is not telling stories like they were south of the Wall. It is stillness here.

The elk is ahead of Bran, its antlers covered in ice. The ranger, pale, black and hands as hard as iron, sits atop the elk. The ranger wears ringmail, a black cloak, with a black woolen scarf hiding his face. Behind him, Meera holds Jojen, who is smaller and weaker, to keep him warm. Summer is at the back of the group, limping from the arrow wound he received at Queenscrown still. The wolf feels the bite of cold through his fur.

Bran has been slipping into Summer a lot, and Hodor too. Hodor is getting used to it because Hodor knows it is Bran. However, Bran is never comfortable in Hodor like he is in Summer. Bran feels Summer wondering if he could bring down the elk, he smells the warm blood of it, and salivates.

Ravens quork around them. By day, six stay with them, while the rest of the murder fly ahead and behind. They all come back at night. The ravens are the ranger's eyes and ears. The elk stops suddenly, and the ranger jumps off. "Behind us" he says.

"Wolves?" Bran knows that a pack of wolves are following them. They have been smelling how weak and hungry they are. Bran could hear them every night, getting closer; they were hunted.

"No," says the ranger. Men are following them. "I'll deal with them."

Meera wants to come with him, but no she must stay with Bran. "The boy must be protected," says the ranger, 'Coldhands.' He tells them to turn north at the lake, and go to a fishing village alongside it. Once there, they will wait for him.

Bran notices that Jojen is as lost and dependent as they are, he is not the little grandfather he was when they were south of the Wall.

The ranger leaves on foot. Meera asks, "Men? What men? Wildlings?" Coldhands does not respond.

The rest of the group continues on. They cross a river. Meera complains that it is the same river they've crossed four times already. Bran explains that rivers can snake around, so that it is possible. She continues to complain about the ranger: "He has too many secrets. Who is he? Anyone or anything can put on a black cloak. He doesn't eat. He doesn't sleep. He does not need heat." Bran remembers the group huddling together to get warm at night, but not the ranger.

Bran looks to see if the ravens are around, they are not, so he gains some courage to speak his mind. He makes the observation that the ranger's scarf does not get covered in ice, that he has no breath. Bran looks at the others and can see steam escaping from their mouths.

He then remembers Old Nan telling him stories of monsters North of the Wall, as she tucked him into bed at Winterfell. Bran notes that the ranger wears black like a man of the Night's Watch, but what if he was just a monster taking them to other monsters?

Meera continues: "Why must we go to the three-eyed crow? Why can't the three-eyed crow come to us? Can't he fly?" They walk over and along the frozen shore of a lake. The elk went where he would, keeping close to the trees. The elk shoulders through snowdrifts as tall as Bran. The wind cuts through their clothes, and blows snow into their eyes.

The sun begins to set. Dark comes early. Each day is shorter than the last, something Bran was getting used to. Meera worries: "We should have gotten to the village by now. We need to get there by dark." Hodor's strength is failing. Bran worries that someone as strong as Hodor is tiring. Bran suggests that Summer can find the village. He quickly slips inside his direwolf, and his senses immediately become more acute. He listens to the sounds of the forest, and smells the elk. Bran tells Summer that the elk is not prey, and to run. Summer runs ahead.

He goes past trees, up and down hills, sniffing and then howls. Eventually, he smells men smells. Ashes. A dead fire. "That way," says Bran. "Follow Summer."

The moon appears. Soon after, they find the fishing village. They almost walk right through it, because it is buried under snow. The other day, Jojen had mistaken a dead fall under the snow for a house. They had dug down, and found nothing.

A dozen huts are beneath the snow, and one long hall. The fishing village is similar to previous empty wildling villages. Bran thinks that maybe the wildlings left some food. It is wishful thinking, since all the villages are empty. Bran is optimistic that at least they have a roof. They all enter the long hall, and take shelter.

The elk breaks through a frozen stream to drink. Summer doesn't come into the hall, and goes off hunting. "Leave the elk alone," Bran warns.

They are all hungry and exhausted from travel. Jojen is getting weaker and weaker. Meera says "Jojen, you have to eat."
"Later, I am tired. Today is not the day I die. Crushed acorns? That will make me worse. Leave me." All the food they had brought from the south had been eaten ten days ago. Raw fish and acorns were all that was left to eat. It had been 3 days since Meera had caught a fish. She was usually numb with cold after hunting.

After their dinner of crushed acorns, Meera sharpens her dagger, while Hodor sits and mutters 'Hodor' by the door. "We dare not light a fire," Coldhands had warned. "The woods are not empty. We don't know what the fire will invite from the dark."

Out in the woods, Summer smells a kill. Bran slips inside. There is the smell of blood, but not elk, not deer. Something else. Summer goes searching for the scent. He loses it, finds it, and tracks it down eventually.

There is the sound of wolves, and the smell of piss and dead skins. He will need to fight for the meat. There are three wolves eating. There is a female chewing on a leg of boot with half a leg still in it. An old one-eyed male wolf and a young male are eating the entrails coming from an open belly. There are less than five dead men. Some have no heads. The wolves had torn them apart. Their eyes are also gone: pecked out.

Those who still had faces had thick beards with frozen ice in them. They all wore black. The black of the Night's Watch, Bran realizes. One of the men has an old stump instead of a hand.

The young male backs away from Summer; he is the tail. The old wolf challenges; he's the head. Their eyes meet. Warg. They fight. Slashing, rolling, fresh blood on both sides. The other 2 wolves circle. It is a long fight. The old wolf will not give up easily. Eventually, the old one-eyed wolf submits. Summer lifts his leg on him. The others submit. The pack was his. No, we have a pack elsewhere. Bran remembers his other pack: the Stark wolves.

Summer begins to eat the Night's Watch men. A guilty thought passes through his head, but he still eats their throats because he is hungry. Suddenly, he feels warmth on his skin... brightness. Bran wakes up. Meera has started a fire.

The ranger has returned, and he had found a sow. Meera is roasting it over a fire. Hodor is eating it happily, with juice running through his fingers. Jojen eats too, but with small nibbles. The ranger stands in the doorway, with a raven on his shoulder, watching. He fears the flames, Bran thinks.

"I thought we said no fire?" asks Bran. "The walls block it, and dawn is near," replies Coldhands.

"Who did you kill? Wildlings?" asks Bran. "Foes," says the ranger. "They were of the Night's Watch!" shouts Bran. "They were foes," responds Coldhands.

"They were your brothers. Your ravens pecked out their eyes." Bran lets loose his suspicions. "Why are your hands black?"

The ranger replies: "Once the heart stops, the blood congeals."

"Show us your face," Meera demands.

Bran: "He's dead, Meera. Monsters cannot pass the Wall! He had the fat boy Sam get us! He could not pass through the Wall!"

Meera demands: "Who sent you? Who is this three-eyed crow?"

"A wizard, the last green seer, whatever you want to call it."

The trees are full of ravens screaming outside. "He's a monster," says Bran.

Meera asks her brother, "Jojen, did you dream this? What do we do?"

Jojen replies, "Go with him. We've come too far to go back now. We cannot return to the Wall. We either go with a monster or we die."

Ako budem imao vremena prevešću i za one koje ne znaju Engleski. Pozdrav
 

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