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Документарац који обрађује живот и дјела Дагоберта, првог свог имена (овдје), краља Аустразије у периоду 623-634.године и краља Неустрије 629-639.године
 
Документарац који обрађује франачку историју за времена "де факто" владавине Карла Мартела и Пепина, трећег свог имена, званог и "кратки".
 
Odlično što je i ova tema obrađena. Zanimljivo je koliko su Franci bili uspešni u svom usponu. Ja mislim da su Franci takođe bili posebno uspešni jer su se uzdigli do najviših funkcija u rimskoj vojsci u kasnoj antici, a tzv frankonska elita je već u ovom periodu bila prilično romanizovana. Od ovog supstrata, zajedno sa patricijama u Galiji, osnovana je franačko Kraljevstvo.

Verujem da je još jedan faktor uspeha Franka bio region koji su izabrali za svoju imperiju: Galija je bila dobro razvijena, ali malo van puta. Jezgro carstva bilo je u severnoj Galiji, odnosno nije više direktno u tranzitnom području drugih naroda. Drugi germanski narodi su imali problem da traže oblasti u koje su drugi narodi želeli da odu (Španija, Italija, južna Galija) ili koje su istočni Rimljani želeli da ponovo osvoje (Italija, Afrika).

Franci su se, pak, mogli relativno nesmetano razvijati.
 
Franacka vladajuca elita nije bila germsnak vec sarmatska:

Were the leaders of the Franks Sarmatians?

The Frankish Cugerni, later called Sicambri, lived in the 1st quarter of the 5th century
Colonia Ulpia Traiana, now Xanten, on the Rhine upstream of Nijmegen, east of Venlo.
This Germanic people had a treaty with the Romans. They served as a buffer for
the even wilder eastern living barbarians.
In this region were also stationed Sarmatians. They came from the Danube Plain.
They and the Franks as well were by treaties associated with the Romans as foederati.
In the middle of the 5th century, they were retired to the south and had a great camp to
Fanum Martis, now Famars.
Childerik, ± 440-480, the first Frankish king, was in the same time by the Romans assigned
to a large area in Tournai. His tomb was discovered in 1652 in the church of Saint Brice and
therein were except Germanic also clear Sarmatian marks.
Childeric was a son or at least a descendant of the semi-legendary king Merovech.
From Merovech recounts a legend that he is the son of a princess and a sea monster.
This shows similarities with the Sarmatian Nart saga. The ancestor of the main gender
the Urismagsprung from the commitment of progenitor Achsartag with a sea nymph,
daughter of the sea godDonbettir.
Clodovech, called by the French Clovis, son of Childeric was leader of probably 500 Franks.
Him was given the command of Roman units of allies Sarmatians and Alemanni and he married
Clotilde Burgundian princess who had the catholic religion.
Clodovech and his entire court took the over the Christian faith, in that way he got the mighty
bishops on his hand. He lost however as a result the half his Frankish followers.
The conquest of the important city Soissons showed his growing power.
The military settlers of other origin assimilated unnoticed with the Franks.
An example of the assimilation of the Alans, mainly that in Armorica the later Brittany
is demonstrated by the disappearance of the tribal name Alan together with
the appearance of the first name Alain. That name is even very popular until now
also in the English territories. Even the name Goar remained. This suggests that the Alans
were a rather small group.
After the Christianization of the Alans, which took place about the same time as that of the Franks,
we see in the sixth century a bishop and a Saint Alanus and also a St. Goar.
A variant name is Eochar. This sometimes occurs alternately in the same person.
In the Ossetian, the language of the eastern Alans, the name Goar Changed to Iæukhar.
Another Goar was in 627 in Aquitaine Count of Albi and succeeded in 630 St. Arnulphus,
the oldest known ancestor of the Carolingians, as bishop of Metz.
This indicates at least a close relationship between the Alanian and French nobility.
The German historian Schmoeckel see much evidence that the Merovingians as well as
the Carolingiansare descendants of the Sarmatians.

The German historian Schmoeckel see much evidence that the Merovingians as well as the Carolingians are descendants of the Sarmatians.

Reinhard Schmoeckel, Die Sarmaten - Vergessene Väter des mittelalterlichen Europa 1, Sachshsen, Thüringer,
Schwaben - Einst vona Sarmaten beherrscht?, Das Frümittelalter in Deutschland neu gesehen. Bonn 2011.
- Reinhard Schmoeckel, Die Sarmaten - Vergessene Väter des mittelalterlichen Europa 2 Die Geheimnisse der
Merowinger, Die sarmatische Herkunft der Dynatie und eine folgenreiche Geschichtsfälsunh. Bonn 2011.
- Reinhard Schmoeckel, König Chlodwig war kein Franke: Frankreichs und Deutschlands sarmatische Wurzeln,
Bonn 2009.
- Forschungen zur Thidreksaga, Untersuchingen zur Völkerwanderungszeit im nördlichen Mitteleuropa, Band 3,
Die Wilkinensaga, Schlüssel zur unbekannten Frühgeschichte der Niederlande und Belgiëns? F. Die 'Franken'
zwischen Troja und Tournai 3. Die geheimnisvolle Verwandlung der Sarmaten in 'Franken' und ihrer Fürsten in
'Heilige Könige', Bonn 2006.

www.marres.nl/sarmatic_traces.htm

Ovo se odavno znalo u germanskom svetu alis e nikada nije otvoreno govorilo. Hitler i nacisti su znali, zato su govorili o drevnim arijevcima koji su naselili sever Indije gde su postali vladajuca kasta. To su upravo Sarmati uradili i to su ti arijevci. Hitlar samo nije hteo da spominje da oni nisu bili germani.
 
Ortar:
Franacka vladajuca elita nije bila germsnak vec sarmatska:

Were the leaders of the Franks Sarmatians?

The Frankish Cugerni, later called Sicambri, lived in the 1st quarter of the 5th century
Colonia Ulpia Traiana, now Xanten, on the Rhine upstream of Nijmegen, east of Venlo.
This Germanic people had a treaty with the Romans. They served as a buffer for
the even wilder eastern living barbarians.
In this region were also stationed Sarmatians. They came from the Danube Plain.
They and the Franks as well were by treaties associated with the Romans as foederati.
In the middle of the 5th century, they were retired to the south and had a great camp to
Fanum Martis, now Famars.
Childerik, ± 440-480, the first Frankish king, was in the same time by the Romans assigned
to a large area in Tournai. His tomb was discovered in 1652 in the church of Saint Brice and
therein were except Germanic also clear Sarmatian marks.
Childeric was a son or at least a descendant of the semi-legendary king Merovech.
From Merovech recounts a legend that he is the son of a princess and a sea monster.
This shows similarities with the Sarmatian Nart saga. The ancestor of the main gender
the Urismagsprung from the commitment of progenitor Achsartag with a sea nymph,
daughter of the sea godDonbettir.
Clodovech, called by the French Clovis, son of Childeric was leader of probably 500 Franks.
Him was given the command of Roman units of allies Sarmatians and Alemanni and he married
Clotilde Burgundian princess who had the catholic religion.
Clodovech and his entire court took the over the Christian faith, in that way he got the mighty
bishops on his hand. He lost however as a result the half his Frankish followers.
The conquest of the important city Soissons showed his growing power.
The military settlers of other origin assimilated unnoticed with the Franks.
An example of the assimilation of the Alans, mainly that in Armorica the later Brittany
is demonstrated by the disappearance of the tribal name Alan together with
the appearance of the first name Alain. That name is even very popular until now
also in the English territories. Even the name Goar remained. This suggests that the Alans
were a rather small group.
After the Christianization of the Alans, which took place about the same time as that of the Franks,
we see in the sixth century a bishop and a Saint Alanus and also a St. Goar.
A variant name is Eochar. This sometimes occurs alternately in the same person.
In the Ossetian, the language of the eastern Alans, the name Goar Changed to Iæukhar.
Another Goar was in 627 in Aquitaine Count of Albi and succeeded in 630 St. Arnulphus,
the oldest known ancestor of the Carolingians, as bishop of Metz.
This indicates at least a close relationship between the Alanian and French nobility.
The German historian Schmoeckel see much evidence that the Merovingians as well as
the Carolingiansare descendants of the Sarmatians.

The German historian Schmoeckel see much evidence that the Merovingians as well as the Carolingians are descendants of the Sarmatians.

Reinhard Schmoeckel, Die Sarmaten - Vergessene Väter des mittelalterlichen Europa 1, Sachshsen, Thüringer,
Schwaben - Einst vona Sarmaten beherrscht?, Das Frümittelalter in Deutschland neu gesehen. Bonn 2011.
- Reinhard Schmoeckel, Die Sarmaten - Vergessene Väter des mittelalterlichen Europa 2 Die Geheimnisse der
Merowinger, Die sarmatische Herkunft der Dynatie und eine folgenreiche Geschichtsfälsunh. Bonn 2011.
- Reinhard Schmoeckel, König Chlodwig war kein Franke: Frankreichs und Deutschlands sarmatische Wurzeln,
Bonn 2009.
- Forschungen zur Thidreksaga, Untersuchingen zur Völkerwanderungszeit im nördlichen Mitteleuropa, Band 3,
Die Wilkinensaga, Schlüssel zur unbekannten Frühgeschichte der Niederlande und Belgiëns? F. Die 'Franken'
zwischen Troja und Tournai 3. Die geheimnisvolle Verwandlung der Sarmaten in 'Franken' und ihrer Fürsten in
'Heilige Könige', Bonn 2006.

www.marres.nl/sarmatic_traces.htm

Ovo se odavno znalo u germanskom svetu alis e nikada nije otvoreno govorilo. Hitler i nacisti su znali, zato su govorili o drevnim arijevcima koji su naselili sever Indije gde su postali vladajuca kasta. To su upravo Sarmati uradili i to su ti arijevci. Hitlar samo nije hteo da spominje da oni nisu bili germani.
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A @Kole11 dežurni nordidista Foruma Krstarice pokušava da nas ubedi da su Franci nekakvi Germani.

:huh:

#pravdazaFrankereciSTOPindogermanovatikanonordidizmu!
 
To sto je vladajuca dinastija bila sarmatskog porekla ne znaci da franci nisu bili germani. Oni su bili Frizi koji su ziveli na teritorijama danasnje Holandije i Donje Saksonije u Nemackoj.
To sto su bili potcinjeni Sarmatima na celu drzave nije samo slucaj Franaka.
 
Ortar:
Ovo se odavno znalo u germanskom svetu alis e nikada nije otvoreno govorilo. Hitler i nacisti su znali, zato su govorili o drevnim arijevcima koji su naselili sever Indije gde su postali vladajuca kasta. To su upravo Sarmati uradili i to su ti arijevci. Hitlar samo nije hteo da spominje da oni nisu bili germani.
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Требало би прво одговорити на питање да ли су "Сармати" уопште постојали или су античка етнографска инвенција, као и на то да ли су сви "Сармати" једна група
 
Gledston:
Требало би прво одговорити на питање да ли су "Сармати" уопште постојали или су античка етнографска инвенција, као и на то да ли су сви "Сармати" једна група
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Koje je mišljenje tebi smislenije?

P. S. Ti me možda nisi razumeo kad sam te upitao na susednoj temi ono vezano za Skite; upravo mi se činilo kao da pokušavaš da kažeš da je to slučaj za baš Skite.
 
Q. in perpetuum hibernum:
Koje je mišljenje tebi smislenije?
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Не видим разлог да се прихвати теза о постојању Сармата на основу директних доказа. Остаци неких Сармата су "европоидни", неки су "азијатски". Поготово, на пример, када се види да су међу Аланима да је материјална култура промењена, да се јављају алтајски елементи у материјалној култури, да је проценат остатака "азијатских карактеристика" много већи, а да опет ниједан извор не говори било шта о тим променама.
 
Gledston:
Не видим разлог да се прихвати теза о постојању Сармата на основу директних доказа. Остаци неких Сармата су "европоидни", неки су "азијатски". Поготово, на пример, када се види да су међу Аланима да је материјална култура промењена, да се јављају алтајски елементи у материјалној култури, да је проценат остатака "азијатских карактеристика" много већи, а да опет ниједан извор не говори било шта о тим променама.
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Ali ne postoje li lingvističke potvrde o postojanju rasprostranjenosti iranske grupe jezika i njenog područja, na istorijskom podneblju Skita i Sarmata? Nekog indoevropskog jezika koji je, da se tako izrazim, most između slovenskih i persijskih jezika?
 
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