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Finland Threatens to Leave Euro Rather Than Pay Debts of Others; Eight Things To Remember


The Independent reports Finland warns of euro exit rather than pay debts of others
FINLAND would consider leaving the eurozone rather than paying the debts of other countries in the currency bloc, Finnish Finance Minister Jutta Urpilainen has said.

In a newspaper interview today she said she'd consider crashing her AAA-rated country out of the eurozone.

“Finland is committed to being a member of the eurozone, and we think that the euro is useful for Finland. Finland will not hang itself to the euro at any cost and we are prepared for all scenarios.

“Collective responsibility for other countries' debt, economics and risks; this is not what we should be prepared for. We are constructive and want to solve the crisis, but not on any terms,” she said.

Meanwhile, eurozone officials are cautioning against expecting any quick action from the currency bloc's finance ministers when they meet on Monday to sort out the tangle of loose ends and disagreements left by last month's EU debt-crisis summit.

Time-frames may already be slipping and opposition is building in euro zone hardliners the Netherlands and Finland.

"You have a Finnish problem. You have a Dutch problem. You have a German problem too," said one euro zone diplomat, ..."I don't see a package done by Monday."


Eight Things To Remember:

The ESM is supposed to be in place by July 9th. Think that's going to happen?
There have been 19 summits to date. Here It Comes Your 19th Euro Breakdown
Germany has still not ratified the ESM because it is under constitutional review (see German Supreme Court Delays ESM; Another Setback for Merkel; Creeping Bailouts; Reflections on German Expectations for details)
The CSU (Merkel's coalition partner), has threatened to sink the Coalition if Merkel gives any more ground. (See Merkel's Coalition About to Splinter Over Creation of "European Monster State".)
A "Third Front" is forming against Merkel (See German Central Bank Head Warns Merkel on Repeated Weakening of Positions; Third Front Against Merkel)
The rise of the Five Star Movement suggests Italy may leave the eurozone. (See Time-Lapse Interactive Graph Shows Stunning Rise in Anti-Euro Sentiment in Italy)
No currency union in history has ever survived without a fiscal union as well.
It's Just Impossible!

Four Reasons It's Impossible

The Bundesbank said there should be no banking union until there is a fiscal union.
Angela Merkel said that there should be no fiscal union until there is political union.
François Hollande said that there should be no political union until there is a banking union.
The German supreme court will not allow a political union nor a fiscal union, nor a banking union without a German referendum.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock
 
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http://www.forexcrunch.com/finland-threatens-to-leave-euro-zone/

Finland Threatens to Leave Euro-Zone

Forex News | Written By Yohay Elam | Created: Jul 6, 2012 10:34 GMT; Last Modified: Jul 6, 2012 12:21 GMT


Finland stood out for asking for collateral from Greece and later Spain. Now, Finland’s finance minister Jutta Urpilainen heightened the tone regarding the situation in the euro-zone and hinted that Finland would rather leave the zone than pay others’ debts.

In an interview with the Finnish Kauppalehti daily, Urpilainen said that Finland will not crash with the euro-zone, and is ready for any scenario.

Update: the Finnish finance ministry now denies that it threatened to leave the euro-zone. They say that Finland is committed to the euro-zone, considers it beneficial and just doesn’t support eurobonds.

Despite this denial, it seems that she did say that Finland would leave the zone before paying others’ debt.

Finland is one of the 4 euro-zone countries that still has a perfect AAA credit rating. Finland doesn’t want a union based on mutual debt and risks of other countries.

Finland’s demand of collateral is one of the 8 holes in the Spanish bailout plan.

In a separate interview with Helsingin Sanomat, she said that Finland is taking a constructive and “hard line” – Finland wants to solve the debt crisis, but not without conditions.

Finland and the Netherlands opposed direct bond buying by the ESM bailout fund, but apparently they don’t have enough voting rights to stop it – they don’t have 15%.

According to the ESM rules, a majority of 85% of euro-zone members voting rights are necessary in a case of emergency. Spain already said that individual countries cannot block direct bond buying in the secondary markets.

IMD economist Arturo Bris said that a Finnish exit of the euro-zone is certainly an option. One of the reasons is the higher volume of trade with its neighbor Russia. Also trade with its fellow Scandinavian countries which are not in the euro-zone, has increased. This lowers Finland’s interest to remain in the zone.

EUR/USD continues trading in a very tight range after the big downfall and before the release of the US Non-Farm Payrolls. For more, see the EUR/USD forecast.
 
i kakve veze ima sunovrat nokije na trzistu ide joj lose ali nije propala istorijski gledano vec je jednom bila na ovakvom minimumu, i ako su finci umeli da naprave nokiju, umece da naprave i neku novu nokiju.

Finsku podrzavam i ja, i barem polovinna gradjana iz Evrozone ( ali ove koja funkcionise):.Medjutim, Finska je mala, totalno nevazna, bice frke kada se Benelux drzave
uskopiste i pocnu retoriku kao i Finci, ali nazalost to za sve njih mora Merkelova da radi.
 
Radi se o evrru, a ne o Uniji. Ako ti nije poznato, sve tri ostale skandinavske zemlje imaju svoje valute.
Guglaj malo pre nego sto stupis u akciju.

Finska lupeta jer osim Nokije koja je otisla u tri PM nema nista drugo.

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Skandinavske zemlje imaju standard o kome Njemacka moze da sanja...

Skandinavci imaju sasvim drugaciji nacin shvatanja svijeta i racionalnog razmisljanja...

Uz to dolazi religija,Skandinavci su protestanti...

O prirodnim bogastvima nema potrebe govoriti...

Sve u svemu Skandinavci su sami sebi dovoljni i eu sranja su im nepotrebna...

Prije ili poslije ce shvatiti da im je skupa bolje od katolickog dijela eu...

Trgovace izuzetno dobro sa tim ostatkom eu isto kao i sa Velikom Britanijom ili Rusijom...
 
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Skandinavske zemlje imaju standard o kome Njemacka moze da sanja...

Skandinavci imaju sasvim drugaciji nacin shvatanja svijeta i racionalnog razmisljanja...

Uz to dolazi religija,Skandinavci su protestanti...

O prirodnim bogastvima nema potrebe govoriti...

Sve u svemu Skandinavci su sami sebi dovoljni i eu sranja su im nepotrebna...

Prije ili poslije ce shvatiti da im je skupa bolje od katolickog dijela eu...

Trgovace izuzetno dobro sa tim ostatkom eu isto kao i sa Velikom Britanijom ili Rusijom...

Norveska nije u EU, samo je clan NATO pakta.
Svedska nije u NATO, ali je clanica EU.
Nijedna ni druga nemaju evro za valutu ( a ni Danska) pa je tako bemisleno pricati na temi na kojoj je evro poenta
( i Finska koja bi da izadje iz evro zone, ali ne i iz Unije i NATO pakta) o standardu Svedjana.

Inace u Nemackoj ima vise protestanata od sve ove cetiri zemlje zajedno. Ali kao i svaki "neobavesteni" i ti mislis
da su Nemci katolici.
 
Norveska nije u EU, samo je clan NATO pakta.
Svedska nije u NATO, ali je clanica EU.
Nijedna ni druga nemaju evro za valutu ( a ni Danska) pa je tako bemisleno pricati na temi na kojoj je evro poenta
( i Finska koja bi da izadje iz evro zone, ali ne i iz Unije i NATO pakta) o standardu Svedjana.

Inace u Nemackoj ima vise protestanata od sve ove cetiri zemlje zajedno. Ali kao i svaki "neobavesteni" i ti mislis
da su Nemci katolici.

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Sasvim tacno sta si napisala...

Jos jednom...

Skandinavci ce ostati izmedju sebe jer im eu nije potreban...

Koliko protestanata i katolika u Njemackoj ima ili nema previse me ne zanima...

30 godina su se rokali izmedju sebe,sto se mene tice mogu jos 30...
 
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Sasvim tacno sta si napisala...

Jos jednom...

Skandinavci ce ostati izmedju sebe jer im eu nije potreban...

Koliko protestanata i katolika u Njemackoj ima ili nema previse me ne zanima...

30 godina su se rokali izmedju sebe,sto se mene tice mogu jos 30...

Ti si pomenuo protestante kao neku veliku vrlinu ( a i jeste u krajnjoj liniji, videti Holandiju), a ti tridesetogodisnji ratovi su vodili svedski kraljevi protiv
nemackih. Ja uopste ne razumem sta ti nama zelis da kazes? I kakve to resurse ima Finska, Danska i Svedska?
 
Ti si pomenuo protestante kao neku veliku vrlinu ( a i jeste u krajnjoj liniji, videti Holandiju), a ti tridesetogodisnji ratovi su vodili svedski kraljevi protiv
nemackih. Ja uopste ne razumem sta ti nama zelis da kazes? I kakve to resurse ima Finska, Danska i Svedska?

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Holandjani su lapo lapo protestanti i katolici...

Danska ima jos uvijek Grenland kao koloniju ostali Skandinavci imaju najjeftiniju elektricnu energiju,veliku territorju i malo stanovnika...

Rezerve nafte,gasa i metana...

Islandjani griju ulice i stanove gejzirskom vodom...

A sto se tebe tice,ti tako i tako cesto nista ne razumes...
 
Radi se o evrru, a ne o Uniji. Ako ti nije poznato, sve tri ostale skandinavske zemlje imaju svoje valute.
Guglaj malo pre nego sto stupis u akciju.

Finska lupeta jer osim Nokije koja je otisla u tri PM nema nista drugo.

Finska UISTINU nije toliko bitan clan EU jer ima malo stanovnika i za EU prilike skroman BDP od nekih 34000-35000 zelenih po stanovniku.
Evo sada pogledao, oko 36000 i par miliona stanovnika.
To je skoro beznacajno za EU ako se posmatra kvantitativno.
Medjutim, istupanje Finske iz evrozone ima mnogo jace simbolicno i indikativno znacenje.
Takodje, navodis kao pohvalno to sto Swedska nije clanica EURO zone.
Bolje se zapitaj ZASTO NIJE?.
I Swedska polako propada.
Poenta je samo to sto je za ovo vreme USTEDELA GOMILU PARA i nece skoro vidljivije propasti.
O Norweskoj necu ni da govorim jer su prepuni para , kao 2 tankera.
A i imaju specificnu mobilnu ekonomiju koja moze brzo da se adaptira na nove uslove, da se prestroji po potrebi.
Mala su zemlja i nisu clan EU, pa mogu tako.
 
Finska UISTINU nije toliko bitan clan EU jer ima malo stanovnika i za EU prilike skroman BDP od nekih 34000-35000 zelenih po stanovniku.
Evo sada pogledao, oko 36000 i par miliona stanovnika.
To je skoro beznacajno za EU ako se posmatra kvantitativno.
Medjutim, istupanje Finske iz evrozone ima mnogo jace simbolicno i indikativno znacenje.

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Svakako bi to navelo , Nemacku, recimo da pocne razmisljanja u tom pravcu, a samim tim bi se ceo sistem raspao kao kula od karata.
 

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