Etnološke sličnosti i razlike Srba sa drugim narodima

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Ne, osim što je gore šire a dole uže
Na lepenskom "amuletu" veliki krug je pravilan, a modernoarapskom je elipsast, u vidu oka.
Lepenski amulet ima donji krug, odnosnu donju rupu nešto kao dve (simetrične) nožice,, modernoarapski nema..ima te "visuljke" tipa stilovanih trepavica napr.

ako te dve nožice vidiš kao "repove" Nommo bića iz religije/mitologije Dogona odnosno pipke koje biće (ili robotsko vozilo) slično oktopodu koristi za hodanje, onda nema razlike da li je prikazano 2 ili 3 nožice......
u oba slučaja se sa strane vide i 2 ručice koje uz glavu (krug odnosno oko) daju figuri antropomorfni oblik


zenica kao ključni element oka je krug...čak šta više grčko-turski amulet Nazar tj. svevideće oko koje ima istu funkciju zaštite od uroka kao arapska hamza i verovatno je njen skraćeni oblik je stilizovano kao krug...dakle nije samo zenica krug nego i oko...

A nazar (Turkish: nazar boncuğu Old Turkic: gökçe munçuk) is an eye-shaped amulet believed to protect against the evil eye ("evil eye", from nazar and "amulet" from boncuğu). The word "nazar" is derived from the Arabic نظر, "sight" or "seeing". In Turkish, it is also called Munçuk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_eye_in_Turkish_Culture


obrati pažnju na upotrebu iste plave boje....i za Nazar i za Hamzu

sve zemlje gde su popularni Nazar i hamza su uz obale mora...

plavo je simbolika mora....tj.vode
a idoli iz Lepenskog Vira su riboliki takođe vezani za vodu

zamisli da je amulet iz Lepenskog Vira bio ofarban u plavo (ili zeleno jer Dunav je reka a ne more)...
znači zamisli obrnute boje nego na slici gde je podloga plava...
uostalom normalno je podloga svetla

i da li moramo da zamišljamo...koliko vidim tragovi zelenkaste ili plavičaste boje se vide...

veza sa vodom boginje majke je poznata

If the attributes of the goddesses of the Babylonian and Assyrian pantheon be carefully examined, they will be found to associate
the female principle with fertility, abundance and with water, the source of plant life. Two divergent views appear to have influenced the artificial formation of personifications of the female principle in nature. According to one the goddess is termed the
"lady of the deep, the mistress of the place where the fish dwell" (Sarpanitam-erua) and in other cases is linked to the lower firma-
ment to subterraneous regions, to darkness, death, destructiveness and hence to evil, thus representing the complement to the male
personification of the upper realm of daylight and the preservative and beneficent life-giving principles. The other tendency', which
almost appears as a reaction or protest against the previous view, led to the ultimate adoption of an ideal goddess of the nocturnal
heaven, who was " bountiful, offspring- producing, silvery bright" and was in one instance addressed as '' the lady of shining waters,"
of " purification " and of " incantations." In the period of Ham-

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murabi, devotion went so far as to cause the goddess Gula, termed the " bride of the earth," to be invoked as the " creator of mankind," the *' great physician " and '* life-giver " and " the one who leads the dead to a new life " (Jastrow, op. cU. p. 175).

As an interesting outcome of an adjustment of both trains of thought stands Ishtar-Belit = the lady jxir excellence and consequently, the feminine personification of Polaris, the supreme god- dess whom Tiglath-pileser termed '' the first among the gods."
She is the mild and gracious mother of creation, *^ loves the king and his priesthood," but 'is also the mighty commanding goddess
of war who clothes heraelf in fiery flame, appears as a violent destroyer and sends down streams of fire upon her enemies. ^^ The
distinguishing position of both the Babylonian and Assyrian Ishtnr is her independent position. Though at times brought into close
contact with Ashur she is not i-egarded as the mere consort to any god — no mere reflection of a male deity, but ruling in her own
right on a perfect par with the great gods of the pantheon. She is coequal in rank and splendor with Ashur. Her name becomes
synonymous for goddess as Marduk becomes the synonym for god. The female deities, both foreign and native, came to be regarded as so many forms of Ishtar.''

A curious fact connected with Ishtar, which proves that she had developed from an original divinity, conceived as dual or bi-sexual,
is that among Semites Ishtar appears both as a male and female deity. This seems to show that at a certain stage of thought Ishtar
was also a centralization of attributes, a fact which undoubtedly explains the supreme position accorded to this divinity at one time
as the feminine form of Polaris.

http://archive.org/stream/fundamentalprin01nuttgoog/fundamentalprin01nuttgoog_djvu.txt

obrati pažnju da je Ištar dvopolno biće a opet boginja majka
baš kao Nummo bogovi kod Dogona

The key spiritual figures in the religion were the Nummo/Nommo twins. According to Ogotemmêli’s description of them, the Nummo, whom he also referred to as the Serpent, were amphibians that were often compared to serpents, lizards, chameleons, and occasionally even sloths (because of their being slow moving and having a shapeless neck). They were also described as fish capable of walking on land; while they were on land, the Nummo stood upright on their tails. The Nummos’ skin was primarily green, but, like the chameleon, it sometimes changed colours. It was said to at times have all the colours of the rainbow.[13] In other instances the Nummo were referred to as "Water Spirits."[14] Although the Nummo were identified as being "Dieu d'eau" (Gods of Water) by Marcel Griaule, Ogotemmêli identified the Nummo as hermaphrodites and they appeared on the female side of the Dogon sanctuary."[15] They were primarily symbolized by the sun, which was a female symbol in the religion. In the Dogon language the sun’s name, nay, had the same root as "mother," na, and “cow,” nā.[16] They were symbolized by the colour red, a female symbol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

Da li je ta "donja rupa" na "amuletu" iz Lepenskog Vira neolitska projekcija plodne materice (ako je ovo ženska figura , slična onima iz pećine što sam postovala) ili same vulve, ne znam.

ili i jedno i drugo...

ženska figura boginje majke iz Lepenskog vira izgleda ovako

znači ima grudi...ima trudnički stomak...i ima haljinu koja prekriva polni organ

Meni je najintrigantnija pažnja i trud koji su uočljivi u pravljenju i velike i donje rupe, posebno što je oko donje rupe brižljivo i pravilno napravljen urez ,ali ne mogu da dokučim za šta?

Etnografija beleže neke obrede "provlačenja", a otud ideja da je donja rupa služila za tako nešto :konac, pasulj, ko zna šta..I gornja rupa je mogla da ima sličnu funkciju, pa se provlačenjem nečega kroz nju dešava neki neolitski magijski proces, a da je donja rupa prostor kroz koji se provlači neki kanap ili traka od kožice da se ne zagubi sićušan bitan ( i nosi za pojasom, oko ruke, oko vrata...)To su samo nagadjanja.

pogledaj fotografiju skulpture boginje majke gore..ona ima rupe koje služe za provlačenje konca...rupe su jednake i postavljene simetrično tako da skulptura na ogrlici stoji uspravno...to nije slučaj sa dve rupe na amuletu o kome pričamo...
tu za provlačenje konca i nošenje služi samo krug/rupa u sredini jer je gornji krug prevelik za to...a korišćenje obe rupe bi na ogrlici dalo bezvezan položaj amuletu...
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dakle gornji krug je dakle deo figure, a donji služi i kao rupa za provlačenje kanapa/konca npr. ogrlice....

da li sa ovakvim shvatanjem simbol liči na ankh i na hamzu?

Isto tako mogla je donja rupa da bude deo vezan za neki alat, i da se u tu donju rupu ubada neki štap, polica, ključ sa okruglim profilom.
Što god bilo od toga (ili nešto sedmo) sigurna sam da je bilo vezano za ženski pol, ili kao alatka za predmete svakodnevne upotrebe, ili kao alatka za bajanje ili kao ključ od nečega (na način na koji je simbolisan i sličan po obliku tzv. "ankh"- ključ.

ako je svejedno da li figura ima 1, 2 ili 3 repa tj. noge...
onda ova figura i jeste "ankh"


teoretski mogao bi da bude i astronaut...gde je gornji krug kaciga a donji krug sa urezanim trouglom je logo na skafanderu... npr. isti simbol svevidećeg oka u piramidi koji koriste razna tajna društva...

 

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Atargatis /əˈtɑrɡətɨs/ or Ataratheh (/əˈtærəθə/; Aramaic: ‘Atar‘atheh or Tar‘atheh‎) was a Syrian deity, the chief goddess of northern Syria[1] (Michael Rostovtzeff called her "the great mistress of the North Syrian lands"),[2] Ctesias also used the name Derceto for her.[3] and to the Romans as Dea Syriae ("Syrian goddess"). Primarily she was a goddess of fertility, but, as the baalat ("mistress") of her city and people, she was also responsible for their protection and well-being. Her chief sanctuary was at Hierapolis, modern Manbij,[4] northeast of Aleppo, Syria. She is sometimes described as a mermaid-goddess, because of a fish-bodied goddess at Ascalon. However, there is no evidence that Atargatis was worshipped at Ascalon, and all iconographic evidence shows her as anthropomorphic.[5]

Her consort is usually Hadad. As Ataratheh, doves and fish were considered sacred by her, doves as an emblem of the Love-Goddess, and fish as symbolic of the fertility and life of the waters.[6] According to a third-century Syriac source, "In Syria and in Urhâi [Edessa] the men used to castrate themselves in honor of Taratha. But when King Abgar became a believer, he commanded that anyone who emasculated himself should have a hand cut off. And from that day to the present no one in Urhâi emasculates himself anymore."[7]

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The name Atargatis derives from the Aramaic form ‘Atar‘atheh, which comes in several variants. At Hierapolis Bambyce (Manbij) on coins of about the 4th century BCE, the legend tr‘th appears, for 'Atar'ate, and tr‘th mnbgyb in a Nabataean inscription; at Kafr Yassif near Akko an altar is inscribed "to Adado and Atargatis, the gods who listen to prayer";[8] and the full name ‘tr‘th appears on a bilingual inscription found in Palmyra.

‘Atar‘atheh is seen as a continuation of Bronze Age goddesses. At Ugarit, cuneiform tablets attest the three great Canaanite goddesses 'Aṭirat (Asherah) — described as a fecund "Lady Goddess of the Sea" (rabbatu at̪iratu yammi) — ‘Anat (Anat, Anath), and ‘Ațtart (Astarte), who shared many traits with each other and may have been worshiped in conjunction or separately during 1500 years of cultural history.[9][10] The name ‘Atar‘atheh is widely held to derive from a compound of the Aramaic form ‘Attar, which is a cognate of ‘Ațtart minus its feminine suffix -t, and ‘Attah or ‘Atā, a cognate of Anat.[11][12] (Cognates of Ugaritic ‘Ațtart include Phoenician ‘Aštart — Hellenized as Astarte — Old Testament Hebrew ‘Aštoreth, and Himyaritic ‘Athtar. Compare the cognate Akkadian form Ištar.) Alternatively, the second half may be a Palmyrene divine name ‘Athe (i.e. tempus opportunum), which occurs as part of many compounds.[13] It has also been proposed that the element -gatis may relate to the Greek gados "fish".[14] (For example, the Greek name for "sea monster" or "whale" is the cognate term ketos). So Atar-Gatis may simply mean "the fish-goddess Atar".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atargatis

Sirijska boginja Astarte riba tj. Atargatis

na ovoj predstavi dole je riblji rep iz dva dela kao kod amuleta u Lepenskom Viru ...krug je jaje koje drži i koje verovatno simboliše izvor života...

ne zaboravoimo da je Sarpanit (Zerbanitu) ime koje znači "sijajuća" ali istovremeno i igra reči zēr-bānītu, tj. "creatress of seed",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarpanit

antički Serbi su mislim oni koji slave boginju Serpanit...
ako je Zerbanitu = kreatorka semena
pretpostavljam da je onda
Zerban = kreirano seme

istog porekla je verovatno i reč German
kod Jevreja Ger = stranac...

Sarpanit je inače često predstavljana kao trudnica....
isto kao boginja majka iz Lepenskog Vira


njen sin je Nabu

Nabu (in Biblical Hebrew Nebo נבו) is the Assyrian and Babylonian god of wisdom and writing, worshipped by Babylonians as the son of Marduk and his consort, Sarpanitum, and as the grandson of Ea. Nabu's consort was Tashmetum.
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Nabu later became one of the principal gods in Assyria and Assyrians addressed many prayers and inscriptions to Nabu and named children after him. Nabu was the god of writing and scribes and was the keeper of the Tablets of Destiny, in which the fate of humankind was recorded. He was also sometimes worshiped as a fertility god and as a god of water.[6]

Nabu is accorded the office of patron of the scribes, taking over from the Sumerian goddess Nisaba. His symbols are the clay writing tablet with the writing stylus. He wears a horned cap, and stands with hands clasped, in the ancient gesture of priesthood. He rides on a winged dragon (mušhuššu, also known as Sirrush), initially Marduk's.
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His power over human existence is immense because Nabu engraves the destiny of each person, as the gods have decided, on the tablets of sacred record. Thus, He has the power to increase or diminish, at will, the length of human life.[8][9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabu

Nabu (otud reč nebo?) dakle ima moć nad sudbinom svakog čoveka...

 

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Luna boginja koja nosi rogove ili dijademu u obliku polumeseca / srpnja

rimska boginja Luna boginja Meseca žena boga Sunca
možda samo aspekt drugih boginja a možda boginja za sebe
"dvo-roga kraljica zvezda"
koju su Rimljaniu svoj panteon bogova uvezli od Sabinjana
u staroj Gečkoj zvala se Selena...

In ancient Roman religion and myth, Luna is the divine embodiment of the Moon (Latin luna; cf. English "lunar"). She is often presented as the female complement of the Sun (Sol) conceived of as a god. Luna is also sometimes represented as an aspect of the Roman triple goddess (diva triformis), along with Proserpina and Hecate. Luna is not always a distinct goddess, but sometimes rather an epithet that specializes a goddess, since both Diana and Juno are identified as moon goddesses.[1]
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In Roman art, Luna's attributes are the crescent moon and the two-yoke chariot (biga). In the Carmen Saeculare, performed in 17 BC, Horace invokes her as the "two-horned queen of the stars" (siderum regina bicornis), bidding her to listen to the girls singing as Apollo listens to the boys.[2]
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The Romans dated the cultivation of Luna as a goddess at Rome to the semi-legendary days of the kings. Titus Tatius was supposed to have imported the cult of Luna to Rome from the Sabines,[10] but Servius Tullius was credited with the creation of her temple on the Aventine Hill, just below a temple of Diana.[11]
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Luna's Greek counterpart was Selene. In Roman art and literature, myths of Selene are adapted under the name of Luna. The myth of Endymion, for instance, was a popular subject for Roman wall painting.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_(goddess)

Selena grčka boginja meseca je sestra boginje zore Eos...
njeno ime je vezano za reč "svetlost"
ona je poznata po svojoj zaljubljenosti u jednog smrtnog muškarca...

In Greek mythology, Selene (/sɨˈliːni/; Greek Σελήνη [selɛ̌ːnɛː] 'moon' is the goddess of the moon. She is the daughter of the Titans Hyperion and Theia, and sister of the sun-god Helios, and of Eos, goddess of the dawn.
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The etymology of Selene is uncertain, but if the name is of Greek origin, it is likely connected to the word selas (σέλας), meaning "light".[3]
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Selene is best known for her affair with the beautiful mortal Endymion.[13]
The late 7th-century – early 6th-century BC poet Sappho apparently mentioned Selene and Endymion.[14] However, the first direct account comes from the third-century BC Argonautica of Apollonius of Rhodes, which tells of Selene's "mad passion" and her visiting the "fair Endymion" in a cave on Mount Latmus:[15]
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Quintus Smyrnaeus' The Fall of Troy tells that, while Endymion slept in his cave beside his cattle, "Selene watched him from on high, and slid from heaven to earth; for passionate love drew down the immortal stainless Queen of Night."[16] The eternally sleeping Endymion was proverbial;[17] but exactly how this eternal sleep came about, and what role, if any, Selene may have had in it is unclear. According to the Catalogue of Women, Endymion was the son of Aethlius (a son of Zeus), and Zeus granted him the right to choose when he would die.[18] A scholiast on Apollonius says that, according to Epimenides, Endymion, having fallen in love with Hera, asked Zeus to grant him eternal sleep.[19] However, Apollodorus says that because of Endymion's "surpassing beauty, the Moon fell in love with him, and Zeus allowed him to choose what he would, and he chose to sleep for ever, remaining deathless and ageless."[20] Cicero seems to make Selene responsible for Endymion's sleep, so that "she might kiss him while sleeping."[21]

From Pausanias we hear that Selene was supposed to have had by Endymion fifty daughters, who possibly represented the fifty lunar months of the Olympiad.[22] Nonnus has Selene and Endymion as the parents of the beautiful Narcissus, but in other accounts, including Ovid's Metamorphoses, Narcissus was the son of Cephissus and Liriope.[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selene


na Havajima boginja meseca je Lona (skoro kao Luna a u veoma udaljenoj zemlji na jeziku drugog porekla)...poznata je po tome što se zaljubila u smrtnika (baš kao i Selena grčka boginja meseca)

In Hawaiian mythology, Lona is a female lunar deity who fell in love with and married a mortal, ʻAikanaka. They lived happily together until ʻAikanaka died of old age.[1][2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lona_(mythology)

slučajnost?
ili ukazuje na postojanje pra-religije vezane za obožavanje svetlosti koja je bila raširena širom sveta ili bar širom dela sveta bez Amerike...







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dakle boginja meseca Selena sesta boginje zore Eos u panteon Rimljana je preuzeta od Sabinjana i možda je bila samo epitet drugih boginja....
nosila je rogove i bila "dvo-roga kraljica zvezda"

boginju Rimljani uvoze od Sabinjana....
ova boginja nosi polumesec/rogove na glavi

na Sardiniji imamo Nuragic civilizaciju i ratnike koji nose rogove...

oni prave i statue ljuidi sa okruglim očima

The Nuragic civilization was a civilization of Sardinia, lasting from the Bronze Age (18th century BC) to the 2nd century AD. The name derives from its most characteristic monuments, the nuraghe.
They consist of tower-fortresses, built starting from about 1800 BC.[1] Today some 7,000 nuraghi[2] dot the Sardinian landscape.
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The late Bronze Age (14th-13th centuries BC) saw a vast migration of the so-called sea people, described in ancient Egyptian sources. They destroyed Mycenaean and Hittite sites and also attacked Egypt. According to some scholars the Sherden, one of the most important tribes of the sea peoples, are to be identified with the Nuragic Sardinians.[12] Another hypothesis is that they arrived to the island around the 13th or 12th century after the failed invasion of Egypt. However, these theories remain controversial. Plutarch spoke of raids by Sardinians against the island of Crete, in the same period in which the Sea People invaded Egypt.[13] This would at least confirm that Nuragic Sardinians frequented the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Further proofs come from 13th-century Nuragic ceramics found at Tiryns, Kommos,[14] Kokkinokremnos [15] and in Sicily, at Lipari [16] and the Agrigento area , along the sea route linking western to eastern Mediterranean.



Bronze model of nuraghe. 10th century BC.
Recently the archaeologist Adam Zertal, echoing the theory already presented in 2005 by Leonardo Melis,[17] has proposed that the Harosheth Haggoyim of Israel, home of the biblical figure Sisera, is identifiable with the site of "El-Ahwat" and that it was a Nuragic site suggesting that he came from the people of the Sherden of Sardinia.[18][19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuragic_civilization

a i Shardana "morski ljudi" (možda naziv morski ljudi ima veze sa religijom čiji su relikti hamza, nazar, statue iz Lepenskog Vira...)
imaju rogove na šlemovima

za Seres ljude Pomponijus Mela kaže da žive od Tibeta do Taurusa, a u istočnoj Aziji ih smešta između Skita i Indijaca što je današnji Avganistan, Pakistan, Tibet i severoistočna Kina..a prostiranje od Taurusa tu dodaje i današnje Kurde (čije ime ja izvodim iz Shardana)

poznati su verovatno i kao Sart
postoje Sart i beli Sart... kao Srbi i beli Srbi...i kao Rusi i Belorusi.. ikao Sirijci i beli Sirijci...Hrvati i beli Hrvati... to su jedini narodi koji koliko vidim imaju deo koji se zove beli...mislim da to ukazuje na neku zajedničku kulturnu tradiciju nasleđenu iz davnih vremena...

Sart is a name for the settled inhabitants of Central Asia and the Middle East, which has had shifting meanings over the centuries. Sarts, known sometimes as Ak-Sart ("White Sart") in ancient times, did not have any particular ethnic identification, and were usually (though not always) town-dwellers. Since the 16th century and onward Mughal historians referred to the Tajiks of the Kabulistan (now Afghanistan) and surrounding regions as Sarts.[1]
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13-th century Mongolian source, "Secret History of the Mongols" states that the Mongols called people from Central Asia, most notably Khwarezm, as "Sartuul". "Sar" in Mongolian means "moon", hence sart or sarta would mean "ones with (flag with) moon", since the Muslim people had Hilal symbol on their flags.One of the Mongolian tribes living in the Zavkhan province are descendants of merchants from Khwarezm, who resided in Harhorin. This tribe, still, is called Sartuul.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sart


sa tom pozicijom susedi su im ugro-finci i Mongoli i Kinezi..Mongoli ih vezuju za mesec...

na jeziku ugro-finaca rogovi dobijaju oblike na mađarskom kürt i szarv, na finskom sarvi

a Kinezi?
kineski izvori kažu sledeće

The Mongols derived their ancestry from the “Mengwu Shiwei” in the northern Manchuria and northeastern Mongolia. “Mengwu” was a variant Chinese transcription of “Menggu” designated to the Mongols, and “Shiwei” was a variant transcription of the Xianbei, as “Xianbei” was also recorded as “Sian-pie,” “Serbi,” “Sirbi” and “Sirvi”.[18]
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18. ^ Zhang, Jiuhe [张久和] (1998). Yuan Menggu ren de li shi: Shiwei--Dada yan jiu [History of the Original Mongols: research on Shiwei-Dadan] 原蒙古人的历史: 室韦--达怛研究. Beijing [北京], Gao deng jiao yu chu ban she [High Education Press] 高等教育出版社. pp. 27–28.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei_state


na jeziku Slovena rogovi su vezani za ime boga Svaroga koji je verovatno isti bog kao Rog u religiji Serer ljudi severne Afrike i kao Ra drevnog Egipta..

The only mention of Svarog comes from the Hypatian Codex, a 15th-century compilation of several much older documents from the Ipatiev Monastery in Russia. It contains a Slavic translation of an original Greek manuscript of John Malalas from the 6th century. The complete passage, reconstructed from several manuscripts, translates as follows:

(Then) began his reign Feosta (Hephaestus), whom the Egyptians called Svarog … during his rule, from the heavens fell the smith’s prongs and weapons were forged for the first time; before that, (people) fought with clubs and stones. Feosta also commanded the women that they should have only a single husband… and that is why Egyptians called him Svarog… After him ruled his son, his name was the Sun, and they called him Dažbog… Sun tzar, son of Svarog, this is Dažbog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svarog

Dažbog je Dagon koga po karlovačkom rodoslovu slave svi Srbi?

u pitanju je bog Sunca i religija vezana za svetlost....gde je svetlost energija koja pokreće svet...
religija vezana za svetlost je i nešto što od drugih izdvaja kraljevstvo Sheba u Arabiji od okruženja

The Qur'an mentions the kingdom of the Queen by name (Sheba) in the 34th Chapter. Arab sources name her Balqis, Bilqis or Bilquis. The Qur'anic narrative, from sura 27 (An-Naml),[14] has Suleiman (Solomon) getting reports from the Hoopoe bird about the kingdom of Saba (Sheba), ruled by a queen whose people worship the sun instead of God. Suleiman (Solomon) sends a letter inviting her to submit fully to the One God, Allah, Lord of the Worlds. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Queen_of_Sheba#Qur.27anic_Account

Egipćani su slovenskog Svaroga mislim ipak zvali Ra, a Serer ljudi severozapadne Afrike Rog

The Serer religion, or a ƭat Roog ("the way of the Divine") is the original religious beliefs, practices and teachings of the Serer people of Senegal in western Africa. The Serer people believe in a universal Supreme deity called Roog (or Rog).
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The Serer people believe in a supreme deity called Roog (or Rog) and sometimes referred to as Roog Sene ("Roog The Immensity" or "The Merciful God").[3] Serer tradition deals with various dimensions of life, death, space and time, ancestral spirit communications and cosmology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serer_religion

Rog je izvor života, početak i kraj....

Roog is the supreme being and creator god of the Serer pantheon.[1][4][7] He is the source of life and everything returns to him.[4] He is "the point of departure and conclusion, the origin and the end".[8][clarification needed] The practitioners of the Serer traditional religion do not directly pray to Roog, choosing instead to pray through ancestral spirits known as pangool,[9] and as result Roog has no place of worship.[7] It is considered blasphemous to make images of Roog.[7]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roog

 

[truthSeeker]

Luna Rimljanima dolazi od Sabinjana
a odakle Egipćanima dolazi Isis?

Most Egyptian deities were first worshipped by very local cults, and they retained those local centres of worship even as their popularity spread, so that most major cities and towns in Egypt were known as the home of a particular deity. The origins of the cult of Isis are uncertain, but it is believed that she was originally an independent and popular deity in predynastic times, prior to 3100 BCE, at Sebennytos in the Nile delta.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis

iz mesta Sebennytos

The star Sopdet (Sirius) is associated with Isis. The appearance of the star signified the advent of a new year and Isis was likewise considered the goddess of rebirth and reincarnation, and as a protector of the dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis

Isis je vezana za Sirijus, baš kao i religija Dogon plemena i Serer plemena...


Rog je i muško i žensko baš kao i Ištar (po svemu sudeći ista boginja kao Astarte, Ostara, Ašer, Aušrine, Ishara, Zora, Asura, Eos, Isis, a poznata i kao Danu i zvezda Danica i kao stvoritelj čovečanstva zer-banitu (seed creator) ), i kao i Nommi božanstva Dogona...

ipak Rog je sve i sva, bestelesno biće....Ištar /Isis/ itd.....je izvedeno božanstvo....od sinova neba i kćeri zemlje...
pri čemu su sinovi neba dvopolna bića po Dogonima....

Rog je i muško i žensko, s tim štoo je ženski aspekt odgovoran za stvaranje čovečanstva
možda ženski aspekt koji se na bliskom istoku naziva ser-banitu?

The Serer believe that Roog is an incorporeal and hermaphroditic being, possessing both a male and female nature. Depending on the situation, an individual may attempt to evoke its male or female side by using whichever pronoun is appropriate,[citation needed] although in scholarly works written in French and English the masculine pronoun is usually used.[citation needed] Saltigues refer to Roog as "father and mother" during their consecration rituals,[4] while in the Serer creation myth it is both grandfather and grandmother, with the grandmother aspect giving birth to humanity.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roog

zanimljivo Serer ljudi imaju nešto nalik na slavu...njihovi porodični svetci su doduše predstavnici životinjskog sveta..

Each Serer family has a totem ("Taana"). Totems are prohibitions as well as guardians. They can be animals, plants etc. For example the totem of the Joof family is the antelope. Any brutality against this animal by the Joof family is prohibited. This respect gives the Joof family holy protection. The totem of the Njie family is the lion; the totem of the Sène family is the hare and for the Sarr family is the giraffe and the camel.[13][14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serer_religion

Rog je ime za celinu koja je sve (Sva-Rog) ali i za muški aspekt.... Rog ili egipatsko Ra...
Ser-banitu za ženski aspekt koji stvara čovečanstvo...

možda otud dualizam Ras i Ser kao u Srbi i Rašani, kao u Ras (glava, lider u Etiopiji) i Ser (glava, lider u Iranu), kao u Aorsi i Siraci, kao u Srbi i Rusi...

 

[Thucydides]

Sto se tice srpske narodne nosnje, neko rece da je ona preuzeta iz Austrije i da nije autenticno srpska. Medjutim, etnolozi kazu da su i austrijski Sloveni Srbi i da je, prema tome, moguce da je nosnja iz Awarenmarka autenticnija nego iz Turkenmarka.

 

[Ahil71]

Sto se tice srpske narodne nosnje, neko rece da je ona preuzeta iz Austrije i da nije autenticno srpska. Medjutim, etnolozi kazu da su i austrijski Sloveni Srbi i da je, prema tome, moguce da je nosnja iz Awarenmarka autenticnija nego iz Turkenmarka.

Ovo je više nego zanimljivo.
Ko kaže? Imaš li nešto o tome?

 

[truthSeeker]

Прасловенски реконструисани облик речи дажд је -*dъzdjь.
Дајбогово (*dadjьbogъ) име пак долази од *dadja.

The Dagda (Proto-Celtic: *Dagodeiwos, Old Irish: Dag Dia, Modern Irish: Daghdha) is an important god of Irish mythology. The Dagda is a father-figure (he is also known as Eochaid(h) Ollathair, or "All-father") and a protector of the tribe.

Dagodeiwos = Dago + deiwos
Dajbog = Daj + bog

osnova je mislim ista kao i u Dagon što je bog sa prostora antičke Sirije...
Hebrew dāg/dâg, = riba

radi se po mom mišljenju o neolitskom obožavanju antropomorfnih ribolikih bogova rasprostranjenom u celom mediteranskom basenu od Dunava u Evropi sve do naroda Serer i Dogoni u Africi....

Dagon = Dag + on

šta u drevnoj Siriji znači nastavak "on" vidimo iz tumačenja vezanog za Boga Elyon-a

Outside of the Biblical texts the term "Most High" occurs seldom. The most controversial is in the earliest of three Aramaic treaty inscriptions found at Al-Safirah 16 miles southeast of Aleppo.[1]

The "Sfire I" inscription (KAI. 222.I.A.8–12; ANET p. 659), which dates to about 750 BC, lists the major patron deities of each side, all of them in pairs coupled by "and", in each case a male god and the god's spouse when the names are known. Then, after a gap comes ’l wʿlyn

This possibly means '’Ēl and ʿElyōn', seemingly also two separate gods, followed by further pairs of deities.
It is possible also that these indicate two aspects of the same god.
Or it might be a single divine name. The Ugaritic texts contain divine names like Kothar-wa-Khasis 'Skilful-and-Clever', Mot-wa-Shar 'Death-and-Prince' (or possibly 'Death-and-Destruction'), Nikkal-and-Ib which is in origin the name of the Sumerian goddess named Ningal combined with an element of unknown meaning. Therefore Ēl-wa-ʿElyōn might be a single name 'God-and-Highest' identical in meaning with Biblical Ēl ʿElyōn even though this would be unique.
Frank Moore Cross (1973) accepts all three interpretations as possibilities.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elyon

El /Elyon = ?


muški i ženski aspekt Boga? ili dva aspekta Boga?
dualizam u religiji Dogona:

The key spiritual figures in the religion were the Nummo/Nommo twins. According to Ogotemmêli’s description of them, the Nummo, whom he also referred to as the Serpent, were amphibians that were often compared to serpents, lizards, chameleons, and occasionally even sloths (because of their being slow moving and having a shapeless neck). They were also described as fish capable of walking on land; while they were on land, the Nummo stood upright on their tails. ... Although the Nummo were identified as being "Dieu d'eau" (Gods of Water) by Marcel Griaule, Ogotemmêli identified the Nummo as hermaphrodites and they appeared on the female side of the Dogon sanctuary."[15] They were primarily symbolized by the sun, which was a female symbol in the religion. In the Dogon language the sun’s name, nay, had the same root as "mother," na, and “cow,” nā.[16] They were symbolized by the colour red, a female symbol.

It was the problem of “twin births” versus “single births,” or androgyny versus single-sexed beings, that contributed to a disorder at the beginning of time. This theme became a significant basis of the Dogon religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

kod Slovena Dajbog je sin Svaroga...

kod Serer ljudi slovenski Svarog je Rog ...Rog je sve što postoji...postoji i reč rog koja znači nebo...Rog je na Serer jeziku "bog"
slovensko "Daj" a keltsko i sirijsko "Dag" je "Tiu" (Tiu+rog = Tiurakh)
Tiurakh je kao i keltski Dagda bog vezan za izobilje, bogatstvo, davanje...
Takhar Serer ljudi je bog pravde i osvete...njemu bi u PIE religiji odgovarao Perun/Perkunas/Taranis/Tor...

The Serer people believe in a supreme deity called Roog (or Rog) and sometimes referred to as Roog Sene ("Roog The Immensity" or "The Merciful God").... There are also other lesser gods, goddesses and supernatural spirits or genie (pangool or nguus[4]) such as the fangool Mendiss (or Mindis), a female protector of Fatick Region and the arm of the sea that bears her name; the god Tiurakh (var : Thiorak or Tulrakh) – god of wealth, and the god Takhar (var : Taahkarr) – god of justice or vengeance.[5][6] Roog is the creator deity and is neither the devil nor a genie, but the lord of the creature.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serer_religion

Rog ima i muški i ženski aspekt

The Serer believe that Roog is an incorporeal and hermaphroditic being, possessing both a male and female nature. Depending on the situation, an individual may attempt to evoke its male or female side by using whichever pronoun is appropriate,although in scholarly works written in French and English the masculine pronoun is usually used.Saltigues refer to Roog as "father and mother" during their consecration rituals,[4] while in the Serer creation myth it is both grandfather and grandmother, with the grandmother aspect giving birth to humanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roog_(Serer_deity)


a kod Jevreja?

Elyon (Biblical Hebrew עליון; Masoretic ʿElyōn; traditionally rendered in Samaritan as illiyyon[citation needed]) is an epithet of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible. ʾĒl ʿElyōn is usually rendered in English as "God Most High", and similarly in the Septuagint as "Ο ΘΕΟΣ Ο ΥΨΙΣΤΟΣ" ("God the highest").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elyon

The compound name 'Ēl ʿElyōn 'God on High' occurs in Genesis 14.18–20 as the God whose priest was Melchizedek king of Salem. The form appears again almost immediately in verse 22, used by Abraham in an oath to the King of Sodom. ...

Its occurrence here was one foundation of a theory first espoused by Julius Wellhausen that Ēl ʿElyōn was an ancient god of Salem (for other reasons understood here to mean Jerusalem), later equated with God.
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It has been suggested that the reference to 'Ēl ʿElyōn maker of heaven and earth' in Genesis 14:19 and 22 reflects the belief that ʿElyōn was progenitor of Ouranus and Gê, as suggested in Philo of Byblos's account of Phoenician history.

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The name ʿElyōn 'Most High' standing alone is found in many poetic passages, especially in the Psalms.

It appears in Balaam's verse oracle in Numbers 24.16 as a separate name parallel to Ēl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elyon


Kod Jevreja pominje se i El Elyon u starija vremena i zasebno /paralelno El i Elyon u novija....
znači dolazi do razdvajanja dva aspekta (muški i ženski?) prvobitnog Boga...

ovaj dualizam je rasprostranjen i kod Asiraca...
Ashur i Ištar (Asura)


Ashur = Svarog ili pre Svarožić
Ištar/ Ašura = Zora
u Asiriji bog meseca koji je sin Enlil (en =lord, lil = vazduh, vetar) i Ninlil (nin=lady lil = vazduh, vetar) se zove Sin (takođe Nanna)

u Vavilonu pak glavnoi muški Bog (koji je isto što i Ashur) zove se Marduk, a njegova žena je Serpanit (zer-banitu = kreatorka semena)...njihov sin se zove Nabu/Nebo...Nebo uslišava molbe...leti jašući na zmaju..i nosi kapu sa rogovima..

vrhovna božanstva su solarna božanstva...svetlost....
što je ono što antički narod Sheba izdvaja od svojih suseda

The Qur'an mentions the kingdom of the Queen by name (Sheba) in the 34th Chapter. Arab sources name her Balqis, Bilqis or Bilquis. The Qur'anic narrative, from sura 27 (An-Naml),[14] has Suleiman (Solomon) getting reports from the Hoopoe bird about the kingdom of Saba (Sheba), ruled by a queen whose people worship the sun instead of God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Queen_of_Sheba#Qur.27anic_Account

Svarog je rogati bog?

kod Grka Eos je boginja zore (Zora), a njena sestra Selena (rimska Luna) je svetlost
zora i svetlost su verovatno aspekti iste boginje...Selena / Luna ima rogove

Luna, "dvoroga zvezdana boginja" je pak boginja koju Rimljani prihvataju od Sabinjana

The Romans dated the cultivation of Luna as a goddess at Rome to the semi-legendary days of the kings. Titus Tatius was supposed to have imported the cult of Luna to Rome from the Sabines,[10] but Servius Tullius was credited with the creation of her temple on the Aventine Hill, just below a temple of Diana.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_(goddess)

kod Egipćana sveprisutni Rog je Ra
Osiris i Isis su dualni bogovi koji oličavaju muški i ženski princip

Isis Egipćani prihvataju iz naselja Sebennytos

The origins of the cult of Isis are uncertain, but it is believed that she was originally an independent and popular deity in predynastic times, prior to 3100 BCE, at Sebennytos in the Nile delta.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis

dakle radi se o kultu svetlosti koji šire Sabinjani, pleme Sheba i stanovnici naselja Sebennytos...
dalje centri su Serer ljudi, Sirija...
koincidencija?

tvrdićete možda da se civilizacije bliskog istoka nisu mešale sa crnačkim civilizacijama i da tvrdnja o povezanosti njihovih religija nema smisla...
ali narod Sheba je upravo veliki deo carstva imao u crnoj Africi - današnjoj Eritreji, Etiopiji, Sudanu, ....

 

[truthSeeker]

Nammu u Sumeru vs Nommo kod Dogona kao osnovno božanstvo koje rađa ostale Bogove...

IIn Sumerian mythology, Nammu (also Namma) was a primeval goddess, corresponding to Tiamat in Babylonian mythology.

Nammu was the Goddess sea (Engur) that gave birth to An (heaven) and Ki (earth) and the first gods, representing the Apsu, the fresh water ocean that the Sumerians believed lay beneath the earth, the source of life-giving water and fertility in a country with almost no rainfall.

Nammu is not well attested in Sumerian mythology. She may have been of greater importance prehistorically, before Enki took over most of her functions. An indication of her continued relevance may be found in the theophoric name of Ur-Nammu, the founder of the Third Dynasty of Ur. According to the Neo-Sumerian mythological text Enki and Ninmah, Enki is the son of An and Nammu. Nammu is the goddess who "has given birth to the great gods". It is she who has the idea of creating mankind, and she goes to wake up Enki, who is asleep in the Apsu, so that he may set the process going.[1]

The Atrahasis-Epos has it that Enlil requested from Nammu the creation of humans. And Nammu told him that with the help of Enki (her son) she can create humans in the image of gods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nammu

The key spiritual figures in the religion were the Nummo/Nommo twins. According to Ogotemmêli’s description of them, the Nummo, whom he also referred to as the Serpent, were amphibians that were often compared to serpents, lizards, chameleons, and occasionally even sloths (because of their being slow moving and having a shapeless neck). They were also described as fish capable of walking on land; while they were on land, the Nummo stood upright on their tails. The Nummos’ skin was primarily green, but, like the chameleon, it sometimes changed colours. It was said to at times have all the colours of the rainbow.[13] In other instances the Nummo were referred to as "Water Spirits."[14] Although the Nummo were identified as being "Dieu d'eau" (Gods of Water) by Marcel Griaule, Ogotemmêli identified the Nummo as hermaphrodites and they appeared on the female side of the Dogon sanctuary."[15] They were primarily symbolized by the sun, which was a female symbol in the religion. In the Dogon language the sun’s name, nay, had the same root as "mother," na, and “cow,” nā.[16] They were symbolized by the colour red, a female symbol.

It was the problem of “twin births” versus “single births,” or androgyny versus single-sexed beings, that contributed to a disorder at the beginning of time. This theme became a significant basis of the Dogon religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

kako bi izgledalo biće opisano u gornjem tekstu kao

According to Ogotemmêli’s description of them, the Nummo, whom he also referred to as the Serpent, were amphibians that were often compared to serpents, lizards, chameleons, and occasionally even sloths (because of their being slow moving and having a shapeless neck). They were also described as fish capable of walking on land; while they were on land, the Nummo stood upright on their tails. The Nummos’ skin was primarily green, but, like the chameleon, it sometimes changed colours. It was said to at times have all the colours of the rainbow.[13]

možda upravo ovako...

uopšte ne tvrdim da su ta bića morala biti stvarna...
ona jednostavno mogu biti plod mašte, religija široko rasprostranjena tokom ranog neolita.....

 

[truthSeeker]

http://forum.krstarica.com/showthread.php/92160-Slovenska-mitologija?p=28336486&viewfull=1#post28336486


iz dela "De Dea Syria(Concerning the Syrian Goddess)" autora Lucian iz Samosata napisan u 2-om veku nove ere...
http://web.archive.org/web/20091026224536/http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/deasyria-intro.html


autor tvrdi da je sasvim siguran da je Astarte ista boginja kao Selena (boginja meseca poznata kod Rimljana kao Luna -vidi slike u prethodnim postovima..Selena je inače kod Grka sestra boginje zore Eos)...

dalje za Astarte kaže da je isto što i Afrodita iz Biblosa.. (inače Afrodita kao i rimska Venera kao i boginje zore vezana je za Veneru tj. jutarnju zvezdu - koja najvljuje zoru)
ali ... i egipatski Osiris i grčki Adonis se pominju na isti način u vezi hrama Afrodite iz Biblosa.. (Adonis = Osiris?, Afrodita iz Biblosa = Isis?)

sledi priča o Semiramidi i Derketo...

dalje on pominjući Heru u zagradi navodi Atargatis i tome u prilog ide i to što je u hramu sirijske boginje vidi natpis da je hram podigao Dionysos svojoj majci Heri...za Gale pak ova sirijska boginja se izgleda zove Rhea tj. Kybele

...
4 - In Phoenicia is another great temple which the people of Sidon keep. They say it belongs to Astarte, and Astarte, I swear, is Selene the Moon.
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6 - But I did see in Byblos a great temple of Aphrodite of Byblos [Ashtart/Astarte], in which they perform ceremonies in honor of Adon; and I learned about the ceremonies.
7 - Nonetheless, there are some inhabitants of Byblos who say that Osiris of Egypt lies buried among them, and the mourning and the ceremonies are all made in honor of Osiris instead of Adon.
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14 - Now that is the traditional story among them concerning the temple. But other men swear that Semiramis of Babylonia, whose deeds are many in Asia, also founded this site, and not for Hera [Atargatis] but for her own Mother, whose name was Derketo.

A legend of Ascalon made Semiramis the daughter of Derketo by a Syrian youth with whom Aphrodite (i.e. Astarte/Ashtart) made Derketo fall in love. In her grief and shame, Derketo destroyed the youth, exposed the daughter, and herself leaped into a pool and was turned into a fish. Semiramis was miraculously attended by doves until she was discovered and handed over to Simmas, a royal overseer; eventually she married Ninus. She was intimately connected with temple traditions at Hieropolis: two statues of her stood near the temple, with one of which the story was connected that she had once tried to usurp the place of the goddess, and some thought that the "token" of c. 33 represented her.
I saw the likeness of Derketo in Phoenicia, a strange marvel. It is woman for half its length, but the other half, from thighs to feet, stretched out in a fish's tail. But the image in the Holy City is entirely a woman, and the grounds for their account are not very clear. They consider fishes to be sacred, and they never eat them; and though they eat all other fowls, they do not eat the dove, for she is holy so they believe. And these things are done, they believe, because of Derketo and Semiramis, the first because Derketo has the shape of a fish, and the other because ultimately Semiramis turned into a dove. Well, I may grant that the temple was a work of Semiramis perhaps; but that it belongs to Derketo I do not believe in any way. For among the Egyptians, some people do not eat fish, and that is not done to honor Derketo.
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15 - There is another holy story which I heard from a wise man, that the goddess is Rhea [Kybele] and the sanctuary founded by Attis. Attis was a Lydian by birth, and he first taught the ceremonies that belong to Rhea [Kybele]. And all rites which Phrygians, Lydians, and Samothraceans perform, they learned from Attis. ...Also the wise man spoke of the Galloi who were in the temple, saying that Galloi castrated themselves and mimic Attis, not for worship of Hera [Atargatis] but for worship of Rhea [Kybele].
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16 - I believe what men say concerning the sanctuary, since it accords in most respects to the Greeks who deem the goddess Hera [Atargatis] and the sanctuary made by Dionysos, son of Semele. For without a doubt, Dionysos came to Syria on that journey during which he went to Ethiopia. And in the temple are many indications that Dionysos is the founder, namely foreign garments and gems of India and elephants' tusks which Dionysos brought from Ethiopia. In addition, two phalloi, or pillars, stand in the entrance, quite high, on the which is written this inscription: "I Dionysos dedicated these phalloi to Hera [Atargatis] my step-mother."..Now to me this suffices, nonetheless I shall tell you another holy object that is in the temple which belongs to ceremonies of Dionysos. Men of Greece erect phalloi to Dionysos that have on them little men made of wood that have large genitals. They are called Puppets. And in the temple there is this same sort of thing; on the right side sits a little man of bronze that has a large penis.
...

Rhea = Hera?
Rhea je ženski oblik od Ra?
vrhovna boginja majka, majka Bogova?

ko je Cybele tj. Rhea?

Cybele (/ˈsɪbɨliː/; Phrygian: Matar Kubileya/Kubeleya "Kubeleyan Mother", perhaps "Mountain Mother"; Lydian Kuvava; Greek: Κυβέλη Kybele, Κυβήβη Kybebe, Κύβελις Kybelis) was an originally Anatolian mother goddess; she has a possible precursor in the earliest neolithic at Çatalhöyük (in the Konya region) where the statue of a pregnant goddess seated on a lion throne was found in a granary. She is Phrygia's only known goddess, and was probably its state deity. Her Phrygian cult was adopted and adapted by Greek colonists of Asia Minor and spread from there to mainland Greece and its more distant western colonies from around the 6th century BCE.

In Greece, Cybele met with a mixed reception. She was partially assimilated to aspects of the Earth-goddess Gaia, her Minoan equivalent Rhea, and the Harvest-Mother goddess Demeter
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In Rome, Cybele was known as Magna Mater ("Great Mother"). The Roman State adopted and developed a particular form of her cult after the Sibylline oracle recommended her conscription as a key religious component in Rome's second war against Carthage. Roman mythographers reinvented her as a Trojan goddess, and thus an ancestral goddess of the Roman people by way of the Trojan prince Aeneas.
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Cybele may have evolved from an Anatolian Mother Goddess of a type found at Çatalhöyük, dated to the 6th millennium BCE.[1] This corpulent, fertile Mother Goddess appears to be giving birth on her throne, which has two feline-headed hand rests. In Phrygian art of the 8th century BCE, the cult attributes of the Phrygian mother-goddess include attendant lions, a bird of prey, and a small vase for her libations or other offerings.[2]

The inscription matar kubileya at a Phrygian rock-cut shrine, dated to the first half of the 6th century BCE, is usually read as "Mother of the mountain", a reading supported by ancient Classical sources,[3] and consistent with Cybele as any of several similar tutelary goddesses, each known as "mother" and associated with specific Anatolian mountains or other localities:[4] a goddess thus "born from stone".[5] She is ancient Phrygia's only known goddess,[6] and was probably the highest deity of the Phrygian State. Her name, and the development of religious practices associated with her, may have been influenced by cult to the deified Sumerian queen Kubaba.[7]

In the 2nd century CE, the geographer Pausanias attests to a Magnesian (Lydian) cult to "the Mother of the Gods", whose image was carved into a rock-spur of Mount Sipylus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kybele

Kubaba (in the Weidner or Esagila Chronicle;[1] Sumerian: Kug-Bau) is the only queen on the Sumerian King List, which states she reigned for 100 years – roughly in the Early Dynastic III period (ca. 2500-2330 BC) of Sumerian history.
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Shrines in honour of Kubaba spread throughout Mesopotamia.[3][4] In the Hurrian area she may be identified with Kebat, or Hepat, one title of the Hurrian Mother goddess Hannahannah (from Hurrian hannah, "mother"). Abdi-Heba was the palace mayor, ruling Jerusalem at the time of the Amarna letters (1350 BC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubaba
Kubaba = Kebat/Hebat = Sheba? Hannahannah = Onana?

 

[truthSeeker]

Most men, however, have only one wife, and it is rare for a man to have more than two wives. Formally, wives only join their husband's household after the birth of their first child. Women may leave their husbands early in their marriage, before the birth of their first child. After having children, divorce is a rare and serious matter, and it requires the participation of the whole village. An enlarged family can count up to hundred persons and is called guinna.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

kod Dogona "guinna" je porodica, kod PIE ljudi slična reč je žena..znamo da porodični život kod indo-evropljana tradicionalno na sebi nosi žena, majka dok se muškarci bave obezbeđivanjem hrane i ratom....

The Dogon are strongly oriented toward harmony, which is reflected in many of their rituals. For instance, in one of their most important rituals, the women praise the men, the men thank the women, the young express appreciation for the old, and the old recognize the contributions of the young. Another example is the custom of elaborate greetings whenever one Dogon meets another. This custom is repeated over and over, throughout a Dogon village, all day. During a greeting ritual, the person who has entered the contact answers a series of questions about his or her whole family, from the person who was already there. The answer is sewa, which means that everything is fine. Then the Dogon who has entered the contact repeats the ritual, asking the resident how his or her whole family is. Because the word sewa is so commonly repeated throughout a Dogon village, neighboring peoples have dubbed the Dogon the sewa people.

Dogoni su dakle poznati među susedima i kao Sewa ljudi... ovo ojačava moje tvrđenje da se radi o ljudima čija religija potiče iz kraljevstva Sheba...

kod Dogona reč "sewa" = dobro
kod nas "sevap" = učinit dobro delo
...ovo je doduše kod nas moguće turcizam jer je reč o reči rasprostranjenoj širom arapskog / islamskog sveta

mada ja mislim da je starija kod nas od turcizma...jer je ima i u Indiji i Pakistanu (gde žive Sarbani kao najveće paštunsko pleme)...

Sawāb or Thawāb (Arabic: ثواب) is an Arabic term meaning "reward". Specifically, in the context of an Islamic worldview, sawab refers to spiritual merit or reward that accrues from the performance of good deeds and piety.[1] The word sawab is in use in a large geography where people believe in Islam, although the spelling and pronunciation of the word would slightly change. In Kazakh society, for instance, it may be pronounced as "sauap", in Iran as "savab", in Arab areas as "thawab" and in India and Pakistan as "savab" or "sawab".[2][3] In Turkish the word transforms to sevap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawab

tj. sewa/sevap/sawab ima veze sa duhovnom nagradom za činjenje dobrih dela... nešto kao pojam "sveti"/ "svetac" u hrišćanstvu...

kod Jermena "surb" (սուրբ) = sveti

već smo govorili na ovom thread-u o tome da "serba" = slavlje (takođe boginja majka Sarpanit je kreirala čovečanstvo ( zer-banitu) ), a poreklo reči Sloveni može biti i slava, proslava ( ili ime onih koji slave boginju Sulevia)


i za kraj...crveni fes

The Hogon is the spiritual leader of the village. He is elected from among the oldest men of the enlarged families of the village
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After his initiation, he wears a red fez. He has an armband with a sacred pearl that symbolises his function. The virgin is replaced by one of his wives, but she also returns to her home at night. The Hogon has to live alone in his house. The Dogon believe the sacred snake Lébé comes during the night to clean him and to transfer wisdom.

zašto crveni?

The key spiritual figures in the religion were the Nummo/Nommo twins. According to Ogotemmêli’s description of them, the Nummo, whom he also referred to as the Serpent, were amphibians that were often compared to serpents, lizards, chameleons, and occasionally even sloths (because of their being slow moving and having a shapeless neck). They were also described as fish capable of walking on land; while they were on land, the Nummo stood upright on their tails. The Nummos’ skin was primarily green, but, like the chameleon, it sometimes changed colours. It was said to at times have all the colours of the rainbow.[13] In other instances the Nummo were referred to as "Water Spirits."[14] Although the Nummo were identified as being "Dieu d'eau" (Gods of Water) by Marcel Griaule, Ogotemmêli identified the Nummo as hermaphrodites and they appeared on the female side of the Dogon sanctuary."[15] They were primarily symbolized by the sun, which was a female symbol in the religion. In the Dogon language the sun’s name, nay, had the same root as "mother," na, and “cow,” nā.[16] They were symbolized by the colour red, a female symbol.

hm, njihov simbol je sunce i crveno?

na Pašto jeziku (gde kao i u srpskom dussman znači neprijatelj, a "sat" je ono što je Slovenima osim Srba "čas")
sré zer = gold ('red metal')
zherr = žuto
sur / sra = red
surbakhun = reddish
sursárey = red-headed [hair]
surwábra, surwázma = like red

takođe
sar = glava
ssaar = city

na jeziku naroda Sherpa (u istočnom Nepalu)
ser = zlato
serwu = žuto
shar = istok
sor = srp
syarup = sijati
http://nepalresearch.org/language/sh_eng.pdf

 

[truthSeeker]

reljef iz 200-400 Ad na kome su Cybele i Attis (sedi desno, ima Frigijsku kapu) u kočiji koju vuku 4 lava a oko koje igraju Corybantes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kybele

The Korybantes (/ˌkɒr.ɪˈbænt.iːz/; Ancient Greek: Κορύβαντες) were the armed and crested dancers who worshipped the Phrygian goddess Cybele with drumming and dancing. They are also called the Kurbantes in Phrygia and the Corybants in an older English transcription[clarify].

The Kuretes or Kouretes were nine dancers who venerate Rhea, the Cretan counterpart of Cybele. A fragment from Strabo's Book VII[1] gives a sense of the roughly analogous character of these male confraternities, and the confusion rampant among those not initiated:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corybantes

već smo govorili na ovom thread-u o tome da "sarba" = slavlje, ples proslavljanja (takođe boginja majka Sarpanit je kreirala čovečanstvo ( zer-banitu) ), a poreklo reči Sloveni može biti i slava, proslava ( ili ime onih koji slave boginju Sulevia)

rasprava o "sarba" počinje na...
http://forum.krstarica.com/showthread.php/677852-Etnolo%C5%A1ke-sli%C4%8Dnosti-i-razlike-Srba-sa-drugim-narodima?p=27578973&viewfull=1#post27578973

 

[truthSeeker]

Rog, Svarog, Ra
Rea, Hera, Zora?

a u Indiji?
Brama

ali ko su Višnu i Šiva kao principi očuvanja i transformacije/uništenja
ima li neke veze sa mediteranskim i PIE religijama gde su dualizmi muško/žensko i dobro/zlo?

 

[truthSeeker]

Много је овде цитата, и неки су контрадикторни међусобно. Вратићу се (ваљда ћу да постигнем)) на оне везане за Тару/Аргатис..али,укратко, свакако се не могу једначити Богиње (седеће, са лавовима и птицама) са Полурибом Аргатис. И не може се једначити ниједна лунарна богиња са нашим тереном, јер је код Срба Месец био доживљаван као мушкарац, Сунчев брат.

ja ih ne izjednačavam u potpunosti već ukazujem na zajedničko poreklo svih tih božanstava iz naizgled odvojenih religija...
i iz svega što sam napisao to zajedničko poreklo je mislim očigledno...


o srpskoj i slovenskoj mitologiji se uopšte ne zna dovoljno...hrišćanstvo je tu napravilo generalno čišćenje potrudivši se da što manje tragova prethodne religije ostane....a nije imao ko da zapiše i sačuva za buduća pokoljenja...

ono što pretpostavljamo u vezi srpske mitologije je da je u osnovi identična kao slovenska...a i ono što znamo o slovenskoj mitologiji je vrlo oskudno...



inače kod Balta ( a lingvistički znamo da Sloveni i Balti potiču iz iste lingvističke zajednice) čak je i Sunce ženska boginja (Saule)...
nagovestio sam već svoju pretpostavku da su u rano neolitskoj pra-religiji vrhovni bogovi dvopolni dok do razdvajanja polova dolazi kasnije....

u vezi Saule

Saulė (Lithuanian: Saulė, Latvian: Saule) is the common Baltic solar deity, treated as a goddess in the Lithuanian and Latvian mythologies. The noun Saulė/Saule in the Lithuanian and Latvian languages is also the conventional name for the Sun and originates from the Proto-Baltic name *Sauliā > *Saulē.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul%C4%97

proto-Baltic Sauliā
proto-Slavic je onda možda Sulevia?

otud pretpostavljam dolazi ime Sloveni...
ime Srbi kao i mitologija pra-Srba ne mora biti istog porekla...
i najverovatnije je vezana za boginju majku Sarpanit (zer-banitu) kreatorku čovečanstva...
to smešta koren imena Srbi ne u Evropu gde iz prareligije ranog neolita nastaje obožavanje Saule pa Sulevije
već negde u Aziju...u oblast Vavilona (boginja Sarpanit) i Saudi Arabije (kraljica Sheba)
naravno moderni Srbi sa poreklom imena nemaju mnogo....ime Srbi verovatno je došlo sa Alanima sličnim istočnim Irancima Zeriuanima/Serijanima/Scirima koji su kao vojna elita organizovali neke pra-Slovene verujem u Podunavlju u vreme pre širenja rimskog carstva...

to što je srpanj tj. polumesec simbol neke boginje ne znači da je ta boginja lunarna boginja...

i Shiva nosi polumesec na glavi pa je nešto sasvim različito od lunarnog božanstva..
uostalom pisao sam već na ovom thread-u da srpanj ili polumesec može biti i znak Venere a ne samo Meseca...jer se Venera vidi kao srpanj (polumesec) okrenut nekad na levo nekad na desno (varijacije prisutne i u srpskom grbu)...a Venera je planeta viđena u antičko doba kao jutarnja zvezda koja najavljuje dan...personifikacija bogine zore..


Shiva je dobar primer dvopolnog vrhovnog božanstva...

An iconographic representation of Shiva called (Ardhanārīśvara) shows him with one half of the body as male and the other half as female.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva

Brama, Višnu i Šiva su tri aspekta boga...Šiva božanstvo je takođe izraženo kroz niz drugih božanstava.... neretko ta manja božanstva su avatari (inkarnacije) Šive.... pretpostavljam da je Šiva je nebeska energija dok su njeni avatari na neki način postojali...

Rudra is called "The Archer" (Sanskrit: Śarva),[62] and the arrow is an essential attribute of Rudra.[63] This name appears in the Shiva Sahasranama, and R. K. Sharma notes that it is used as a name of Shiva often in later languages.[64]
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The identification of Agni with Rudra is explicitly noted in the Nirukta, an important early text on etymology, which says, "Agni is also called Rudra."
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In the Rig Veda the term śiva is used to refer to Indra.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva


no mene više interesuje nije li kojim slučajem reč Shiva istog porekla kao Sheba?

У тој свеопштој збрци око Богиња у упоредној митологији

zbrka je samo ako misliš da je svako ime zasebno božanstvo...
u realnosti svako božanstvo je imalo mnogo imena epiteta koji su naglašavali određene aspekte...
uz to poreklom ista imena se lako prepoznaju u različitim susednim narodima...

У тој свеопштој збрци око Богиња у упоредној митологији корисно је имати на уму да кроз српско предање (што и јесте основна тема овог пдф-а) постоје само три главне женске личности....Зато некако наглашавам ту разлику између риболиких (више риба него човеколиких риба) у Лепенском Виру и маскираних у рибе, који имају оклоп као рибе и вире из тог оклопа ( Оанес или Вишну напр..)

sasvim je moguće i da slovenska mitologija nema direktnu vezu sa prastarom religijom ranog neolita već je grana kasnije PIE mitologije...otud ne treba da čudi da su iz nje možda bili vremenom isključeni elementi bitni za civilizacije orjentisane na more i vodu - poput ribolikih ili zmijolikih svojstava pra-božanstava...

 

[truthSeeker]

Voda živa...Živa voda..


Among the deities of Slavic Polabians, above all Abodriti or Bodrici (Mecklenburg), the goddess Živa, or Živena among Slovakians, had a special place. Historical sources refer to her most often under the name Siwa, and recorded variously as Sivve, Shiwa, Sieba, Syeba, and Dsiva. She was goddess of fertility and love, the greatest female deity in the pantheon of Polabians. Tomaž Linhart, Slovenian 18th century historian, writes: Shiva, goddess of life; she was worshipped by Polabians. Raniolans have given this title to the planet Venus.

Živa was above all the goddess of water. In the consciousness of people she represented the concept of life, personified by water. She was their first “goddess”, even before mother Earth, who rules when the spread of agriculture follows.
http://www.thezaurus.com/?/webzine/zhiva/

In Norse mythology, Sif is a goddess associated with earth.
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Sif is the wife of the thunder god Thor and is known for her golden hair.
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Scholars have proposed that Sif's hair may represent fields of golden wheat, that she may be associated with fertility, family, wedlock
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The name Sif is the singular form of the plural Old Norse word sifjar. Sifjar only appears in singular form when referring to the goddess as a proper noun. Sifjar is cognate to the Old English sib (meaning "affinity, connection, by marriage") and in other Germanic languages: Gothic language sibja, Old High German sibba, and German sippe. Sifjar appears not only in ancient poetry and records of law, but also in compounds (byggja sifjar means "to marry").[1] Using this etymology, scholar John Lindow gives the meanings "in-law-relationship", scholar Andy Orchard provides "relation", and scholar Rudolf Simek gives "relation by marriage".[2]
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Further in Skáldskaparmál, Snorri relates a story where Loki cuts off Sif's hair as a prank. When Thor discovers this, he grabs hold of Loki, resulting in Loki swearing to have a headpiece made of gold to replace Sif's locks. Loki fulfills this promise by having a headpiece made by dwarfs, the Sons of Ivaldi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sif
Sif je nordijska Živa...

da se Živi napravi kosa od zlata naređuje Svetovid a ne Perun kako bi očekivali mapirajući Tora na Peruna...
ili je Svetovid tj. sveti Vid drugo ime tj. epitet za Peruna kao nekog ko vidi ceo svet?

alternativno, dok su Perun (bog groma) i Zora (boginja zore tj. planeta Venera) iz pra-Slovenske mitologije
Živa (opet planeta Venera) i SvetoVid su možda ista božanstva kao Zora i Perun ali poreklom iz pra-srpske a ne pra-slovenske mitologije?

postoji i teorija da je Svetovid ime za četiri božanstva u jednom - Perun, Svarog, Lada i Mokoš...

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zanimljivo je to proto-germansko sib/sibbja/siba = brak
kraljica Sheba je bila poznata i kao žena cara Solomona...

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dok su nordijska Sif i slovenska Živa vrlo verovatno identična boginja (pojavljuju se u identičnom mitu u kome im biva odsečena kosa, posle čega naredbom vrhovnog boga dobijaju zlatnu kosu), nalaženje veze sa Shiv-om je nategnuto jer osim zvučne sličnosti ne vidim druge elemente za takvu vezu....čak šta više...kao potpuno benevolentna boginja vezana za plodnost, zemljoradnju, ljubav, Živa/Sif bi mislim u indijskom dualizmu pre bila ikarnacija energije Višne nego Šive..

osim toga Sif i Živa su i lokacijski bliske...Sif se slavi na severnoj obali Baltika, Živa na južnoj..

Svetovid, Svantovit[1][2][3] or Sventovit[4] is a Slavic deity of war, fertility and abundance primarily venerated on the island of Rügen into the 12th century. He is often considered a local Rugian variant of the pan-Slavic god Perun.

Sometimes referred to as Beli (or Byali) Vid (Beli = white, bright, shining), Svetovid is often depicted with a sword or bow in one hand and a drinking horn in the other. Other important symbols included the white horse, which were kept in his temple and used in divination.

Svetovid is associated with war and divination and depicted as a four-headed god with two heads looking forward and two back. A statue portraying the god shows him with four heads, each one looking in a separate direction, a symbolical representation of the four directions of the compass, and also perhaps the four seasons of the year. Each face had a specific colour. The northern face of this totem was white (hence White Russia / Belarus and the White Sea), the western, red (hence Red Ruthenia), the southern, black (hence the Black Sea) and the eastern, green (hence Zelenyj klyn).[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetovid

Sveto Vid = Beli Vid.... Baal/Bel je na bliskom istoku ime za Boga... znači radi se o Bogu Vidu...

ko je Svetovid /Vid kod Germana?
možda Voden/Odin/Godan?
Odin je rodonačelnik Bogova...otac Tora (Tor je ekvivalent Peruna, Taranisa i Perkunasa)
Odinova žena je Freja... ona je ekvivalent Zore, Here...

ako bogovi idu u parovima logično je da su Svantevit(Svetovid) i Zora par...
jasna je veza sa Suncem i obožavanjem svetlosti...Sunce nam daje da vidimo svet...

The name recorded in chronicles of contemporary Christian monks is Svantevit, which, if we assume it was properly transcribed, could be an adjective meaning approx. "Dawning One" (svantev,svitanje="dawning, raising of the Sun in the morning" + it, adjective suffix), implying either a connection with the "Morning Star" or with the Sun itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetovid

Woden or Wodan (Old English: Ƿōden,[1] Old High German: Wôdan,[2] Old Saxon: Uuôden[3]) is a major deity of Anglo-Saxon and Continental Germanic polytheism. With his Norse counterpart,[4] Odin, Woden represents a development of the Proto-Germanic god *Wōdanaz. He is the namesake for the English-language day of the week Wednesday.
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According to Jonas of Bobbio, the 6th century Irish missionary Saint Columbanus is reputed to have interrupted an offering by the Suebi to "their God Wodan".[14] "Wuodan" was the chief god of the Alamanni; his name appears in the runic inscription on the Nordendorf fibulae.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woden

Odin (/ˈoʊdɨn/; from Old Norse Óðinn, "The Furious One") is a major god in most if not all branches of Germanic mythology especially in the Norse mythology branch of Germanic mythology, the Allfather of the gods, and the ruler of Asgard.[1] Homologous with the Old English "Wōden", the Old Saxon "Wôdan" and the Old High German "Wôtan",[2] the name is descended from Proto-Germanic "*Wōdanaz" or "*Wōđanaz".
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Odin is a principal member of the Æsir (the major group of the Norse pantheon) and is associated with war, battle, victory and death, but also wisdom, Shamanism, magic, poetry, prophecy, and the hunt. Odin has many sons, the most famous of whom is the thunder god Thor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin

 

[Thucydides]

Pitanje je naravno i da li je slucajno sto elektrotehnika kod Srba u liku Tesle i Pupina nailazi na plodno tlo, s obzirom da je vrhovni slovenski bog bio i bog munje.

Cak se moze postaviti pitanje i da li su na zapadu svi oni koji se npr. u Nemackoj bave elektrotehnikom ustvari potomci Slovena.

Isto kao sto se moze predpostaviti da u istoj zemlji svi zemljoradnici poticu od Slovena.

Da ironija bude veca, Bizmark, za kojeg je jedan uceni covek tvrdio da je rasno bio Sloven, je iskljucivo pomocu seljaka ujedinio Nemacku.

 

[truthSeeker]

sa linka

http://forum.krstarica.com/showthread.php/693950-Turista-sa-istoka?p=28429800&viewfull=1#post28429800

izdvajam sledeći deo

Elohim je ime za bogove nastale od božanskog para Lahmu / Lahuma

El = božanstvo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(god)

Laḫmu or Lache is a deity from Akkadian mythology.

Lahmu, meaning "hairy", is the name of a protective and beneficent deity, the first-born son of Abzu and Tiamat. He and his sister Laḫamu are the parents of Anshar and Kishar, the sky father and earth mother, who birthed the gods of the Mesopotamian Pantheon. Laḫmu is depicted as a bearded man with a red sash-usually with three strands- and four to six curls on his head. He is often associated with the Kusarikku or "Bull-Man." In Sumerian times Laḫmu may have meant "the muddy one". Lahmu guarded the gates of the Abzu temple of Enki at Eridu. He and his sister Laḫamu are primordial deities in the Babylonian Epic of Creation Enuma Elis and Lahmu may be related to or identical with "Lahamu", one of Tiamat's creatures in that epic.

Some scholars, such as William F. Albright,[citation needed] have speculated that the name of Bethlehem ("house of lehem") originally referred to a Canaanite fertility deity cognate with Laḫmu and Laḫamu, rather than to the Canaanite word lehem, "bread".[1] See Bethlehem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahmu

Laḫmu i Laḫamu su božanski par... ....od njih nastaju boginja zemlja i bog nebo a od ovih svi drugi bogovi...otud Elohim kao množina jer reč predstavlja sve bogove iz dinastije El-Lahmu


nekad davno u vreme pre silaska na zemlju božanstva su bila dvopolna...onda su njihov muški i ženski aspekt rađani odvojeno...
u tom smislu da su dva dela istog spiritualnog bića Lahmu I Lahama su brat i sestra... inače oni su božanski par... da bi se ovo razumelo treba se razumeti religija Dogona


Laḫmu i Laḫamu su božanski par... ....od njih nastaju boginja zemlja i bog nebo a od ovih svi drugi bogovi.
kod antičkih Grka Uranus i Gaja su bog nebo i boginja zemlja...od njih nastaju svi grčki bogovi...


boginja zore je unuka Gaje i Uranusa tj. boginje zemlje i boga neba, dakle ona je praunuka primordijalnog božanskog para Lahmu i Lahamu, tj. 4-ta generacija Elohim božanstava (pod pretpostavkom da je Elohim ime koje potiče od El Lahmu/Lahamu i uz svest da su i ova božanstva imala pretke)

 

[truthSeeker]

The Dalai Lama /ˈdɑːlaɪ ˈlɑːmə/[1][2] is a high lama in the Gelug or "Yellow Hat" school of Tibetan Buddhism, founded by Tsongkhapa (1357–1419). The name is a combination of the Mongolic word dalai meaning "ocean" and the Tibetan word བླ་མ་ (bla-ma) meaning "guru, teacher, mentor".[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_lama


Lahmu =? Lama = učitelj
dalai = more, okean


učitalj koji dolazi iz okeana...
iz okeana svesnosti ili iz okeana zemaljskog kao Nommo bogovi Dogona...?

Allah =? El + Lahmu

 

[Arbër.]

Srp/slavenski-albanski

ZAMKA - ZONKË
MRAZ - MAR-ZI
ZAMKA = ZONKË
GRADITI = G+RADHITI = GJË+RADHITI
Nishan-iti = në+shenjë
Brani - M'bron
-ravnina = rav-nina = rraf-shina(alb)
strogo =shtrëngo
STR-ANA=ana(alb) itd..

 

[truthSeeker]

Srp/slavenski-albanski

ZAMKA - ZONKË
MRAZ - MAR-ZI
ZAMKA = ZONKË
GRADITI = G+RADHITI = GJË+RADHITI
Nishan-iti = në+shenjë
Brani - M'bron
-ravnina = rav-nina = rraf-shina(alb)
strogo =shtrëngo
STR-ANA=ana(alb) itd..

PIE bhren- ivica, nešto izdignuto.... => brana
PIE sterg-, sterk- - brinuti, davati pažnju

koliko znam albanski jezik ima dosta reči sličnih slovenskim... neke reči su usvojene na jednoj i drugoj strani kroz kontakt Albanaca sa južnim Slovenima a moguće i sa nekim pra-Slovenima u ranijim vremenima..... ipak dobar deo je pretpostavljam nasleđe i jednih i drugih iz PIE jezika... naročito reči koje nisu prisutne samo kod južnih Slovena već i kod istočnih i zapadnih..

albanski jezik i istorija Albanaca su zanimljiva tema...ali s obzirom da je to osetljiva tema i kao neko ko ne poznaje albanski jezik i kulturu izbegavam ovu temu.... moja pretpostavka je da su Albanci lingvistički i genetski naslednici pre svega Dardanaca....imam utisak da je naziv Iliri bio primenjivan na plemena raznog porekla i jezika širom Balkana... npr. za Panonce smatram da imaju veze sa pra-Slovenima...


Iliria je možda "El Ra" - zemlja gde se slavi egipatsko božanstvo Ra - bog sunca....Hypatian Codex slovenskog Svaroga naziva egipatskim božanstvom...a ruska primarna hronika Slovene stavlja izvorno u Podunavlje (mislim otprilike Panonska nizija i Homolje)...

Ištar (Dunav) - oblast gde se slavi boginja zore Ištar, Ostara, Astarte, Aušrine, Ašer, Danu, zvezda Danica, Zerbanitu (Sarpanit)....kod egipćana ovo je Isis...boginja koje su preuzeli iz mesta Sebenitos...

ako upotrebim google translate za albanski (neko ko govori jezik bi mogao mnogo lakše da nađe veze albanskog jezika sa nekim starijim jezicima)

bog je
zot, perëndi, hyjni, idhull...

zot - liči na nešto između germanskog Got i grčkog Zevs

perëndi - očigledna je sličnost sa slovenskim Perun što ukazuje na moguću zajedničku pra-istoriju sa pra-Slovenima (Perun je kod Germana Tor, kod Balta Perkunas, kod Kelta Taranis, u maloj Aziji Teshub (kod Hurita), Taru (kod naroda Hati), Tarhun (kod Hetita i Luvijaca)... moguće zajedničko poreklo oblika albanskog perendi i slovenskog Perun i keltskog Taranis i baltskog Perkunas je hetitsko-luvijsko Tarhun... ono što vidimo je da je albanski oblik bliži slovenskom nego keltskom i baltičkom....
Dardanci inače i dolaze na Balkan iz male Azije iz oblasti Troje...

hyjni i idhull su pretpostavljam nazivi koji izdvajaju albanski iz okruženja...

idhull =? takođe raširena reč u mnogim narodima obliku "idol" u značenju obožavanje bogova u obliku predmeta... što verovatno znači da su pra-albanci slavili Boga koga su predstavljali figuricama i slikama... grčki εἴδωλον eidolon, "image" / "figure"


hyjni

neki od mogućih izvora za ovu reč:

Khuda or Khoda (Persian: خدا‎) is the Iranian word for "Lord" or "God"....The term derives from Middle Iranian terms xvatay, xwadag meaning "lord", "ruler", "master", appearing in written form in Parthian kwdy, in Middle Persian kwdy, and in Sogdian kwdy. It is the Middle Persian reflex of older Iranian forms such as Avestan xva-dhata- "self-defined; autocrat", an epithet of Ahura Mazda. The Pashto term Xwdāi (خدای) is a New Iranian cognate.

Prosaic usage is found for example in the Sassanid title katak-xvatay to denote the head of a clan or extended household or in the title of the 6th century Khwaday-Namag "Book of Lords", from which the tales of Kayanian dynasty as found in the Shahnameh derive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda

In Sufism, defined by its adherents as the inner, mystical dimension of Islam, Hu, Huwa or Parvardigar are used as names of God. The Hu is derived from the last letter of Allah which has a sound of HA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God

Kuu is a Moon goddess in Finnish mythology.[1] According to the Kalevala, the daughter of the air Ilmatar allowed a teal to lay its egg on her knee as she floated in the abyss. The egg fell and its parts formed the universe: the white of the egg became the moon, and the yolk the sun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuu

Enyo (/ɨˈnaɪoʊ/; Greek: Ἐνυώ, English translation: "warlike") was a goddess of war and destruction in Greek mythology, the companion and lover of the war god Ares. She is also identified as his sister, and daughter of Zeus and Hera,[1] in a role closely resembling that of Eris; with Homer in particular representing the two as the same goddess. She is also accredited as the mother of the war god Enyalius, by Ares.[2] However, the name Enyalius or Enyalios can also be used as a title for Ares himself.[3]

As goddess of war, Enyo is responsible for orchestrating the destruction of cities, often accompanying Ares into battle,[4] and depicted "as supreme in war".[5] During the fall of Troy, Enyo inflicted terror and bloodshed in the war, along with Eris ("Strife"), and Phobos ("Fear") and Deimos ("Dread"), the two sons of Ares.[6] She, Eris, and the two sons of Ares are depicted on Achilles’s shield.[6]

Enyo was involved in the war of the Seven Against Thebes and Dionysus’s war with the Indians as well.[7][8] Enyo so delighted in warfare that she even refused to take sides in the battle between Zeus and the monster Typhon:

"Eris (Strife) was Typhon's escort in the mellay, Nike (Victory) led Zeus into battle . . . impartial Enyo held equal balance between the two sides, between Zeus and Typhon, while the thunderbolts with booming shots revel like dancers in the sky." [9]
The Romans identified Enyo with Bellona, and she also has similarities with the Anatolian goddess Ma.

At Thebes and Orchomenos, a festival called Homolôïa, which was celebrated in honour of Zeus, Demeter, Athena and Enyo, was said to have received the surname of Homoloïus from Homoloïs, a priestess of Enyo.[10] A statue of Enyo, made by the sons of Praxiteles, stood in the temple of Ares at Athens.[11] Among the Graeae in Hesiod[12] there is one called Enyo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enyo

u vezi ovoga Scordisci (Scodiskusu je otac Panon/Paeon a pradeda Illyrus) su slavili Bellonu tj. vidimo da je to Enyo...a Homolje gde su živeli Scordisci bi moglo da ima poreklo u reči Homoloïus - sveštenica Enyo religije...

Skordiske inače smatram mogućim precima modernih Srba, a Panonce precima (južnih i zapadnih ili svih) Slovena...dok pretke Albanaca nalazim pre svega u Dardancima...

ovo su potomci Ilirusa

Sons
Encheleus (Εγχελέα) of the Enchelaeae
Autarieus (Αυταριέα) of the Autariates
Dardanus (Δάρδανον) of the Dardani
Maedus (Μαίδον)
Taulas (Ταυλαντά) of the Taulantii
Perrhaebus (Περραιβόν) of the Perrhaebi

Daughters
Partho (Πάρθω) of the Partheni
Daortho (Δαορθώ) of the Daors
Dassaro (Δασσαρώ) of the Dassaretae

Grandsons
Pannonius or Paeon (son of Autarieus) of the Pannonians

Greatgrandsons
Scordiscus (son of Pannonius) of the Scordisci
Triballus (son of Pannonius) of the Triballi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrius

Ilirusova braća su Keltus i Galas...

ovakav rodoslov bi lepo objasnio zašto je albansko "Perëndi" nešto bliže slovenskom Perun i baltskom Perkunas nego keltskom Taranis...u odnosu na izvorno hetitsko-luvijsko Tarhun.... Sloveni i Albanci bi bili potomci Ilirusa, dok bi Kelti i Gali bili potomci njegove braće Keltusa i Galusa..ovo potomci ne treba shvatati genetski jer su u Evropi naročito istočnoj i centralnoj svi narodi mešavine raznih genetskih uticaja...tu se radi mislim o kulturi, jeziku, identitetu, religiji...

Enyo ima decu sa Ares-om bogom rata...
Eris i Ares su logični par...
kao Bel i Bellona

Eris (Ancient Greek: Ἔρις, "Strife") is the Greek goddess of chaos, strife and discord. Her name is translated into Latin as Discordia, which means "discord". Eris' Greek opposite is Harmonia, whose Latin counterpart is Concordia. Homer equated her with the war-goddess Enyo, whose Roman counterpart is Bellona.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(mythology)

Eris je par sa Ares-om

mislim da bogovi i boginje imaju imena za njihove razne aspekte...
npr. boginja zore je i boginja ljubavi, ali i rata...
pa bi Eris/Enyo mogao da bude jedan od njenih aspekata...

From the book "Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection" Bellona is mentioned only once in Vol 2, page 288. It appears that this reference is about 4th century BC. and is in a prayer answer that Isis made to Lucius. In this prayer Isis reveals that she is also called "Bellona".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellona_(goddess)

otud Homolje kao oblast pored reke čija imena Ister i Dunav imaju veze sa boginjom zore Ištar, Astarte, Ostara, Ishara, Asura, Zora, Aušrine, Ašer, Aušos, Eos, Isis, Danu, zvezda Danica....

ako je Bellona = Enyo ratni aspekt boginje Isis onda je Enyo isto što i Eos, Isis,Aušos, Aušrine, Ašer, IIštar, Ishara, Asura, Zora, Astarte, Ostara, Danu, zvezda Danica....

dakle boginja Enyos je obožavana u Homolju (Homolois sveštenice boginje Enyo) od strane Skordiska koji slave boginju Bellonu (ista boginja kao Enyo) a ova je po Homeru ista boginja kao Eris a po citatu gore Bellon-a je ista boginja kao Isis (objašnjavao sam već da je i ona boginja zore Eos, Aušos majka bogova Venti)

Iliria = El Eris/Ares?
...

 

[truthSeeker]

na albanskom

qytet = grad
pa ovo može imati veze sa dalekom praistorijom i životom Dardanaca u oblasti Troje u susedstvu PIE Hetita koje identifikuju sa životom u gradovima

hyjni = božanstvo
hene = mesec


to bi moglo da znači da je religija pra-Albanaca kao i religija većine PIE naroda izvorno vezana za obožavanje svetlosti



diell = sunce ali i jutarnja zvezda
yll = zvezda

pa Ilirija takođe može imati veze sa "Yll"... npr. "Yll i Ra" (zvezde i sunce) ili "Yll Eris" (Eris je kao što sam objasnio Belona, Belona je Isis, a Isis je jedno od imena boginje zore tj. jutarnje i večernje zvezde, zvezde Danice tj. planete Venere)...

shkëlqim = sijanje

mnogi PIE narodi imaju u svom imenu reč izvedenu od "sijanje" o čemu sam pisao na ovoj temi u tom smislu "shekelesh" morski ljudi kao i Siculi (antički Sicilijanci) bi mogli da znače "sijanje" na jeziku koji ima bar reč nalik na shkëlqim istog porekla kao albanski...

ovde treba dodati da je ime albanske kape Qeleshe...
a da Kalash ljudi u Pakistanu za sebe smatraju da potiču od vojnika iz armije Aleksandra Makedonskog
Kalash ljudi pripadaju široj grupi Dardskih naroda

The majority of Dardic peoples are Muslims,[citation needed] with a significant population of Kalash[2][3] Dardic religion in Indian Ladakh, particularly in the villages of Da and Hann, retains marked traces of the pre-Buddhist animistic religion, Bon-chos.[3] The Kalash tribes found in Chitral, are exceptional in having retained their ancestral polytheistic religion and are protected by the Government of Pakistan.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardic_people

Dardski možda može biti zato što potiču od Dardanaca?

Genetic analysis of Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) by Firasat et al. (2007) on Kalash individuals found high and diverse frequencies of these Y-DNA Haplogroups: L3a (22.7%), H1* (20.5%), R1a (18.2%), G (18.2%), J2 (9.1%), R* (6.8%), R1* (2.3%), and L* (2.3%).[37] Haplogroup L and Haplogroup H are thought to have originated from prehistoric South Asia.[38]

Genetic analysis of Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) by Quintana-Murci et al. (2004) stated that "the western Eurasian presence in the Kalash population reaches a frequency of 100%" with the most prevalent mtDNA Haplogroups being U4 (34%), R0 (23%), U2e (16%), and J2 (9%). The study asserted that no East or South Asian lineages were detected and that the Kalash population is composed of western Eurasian lineages (as the associated lineages are rare or absent in the surrounding populations). The authors concluded that a western Eurasian origin for the Kalash is likely, in view of their maternal lineages.[39]]
...
Three Pakistani populations residing in northern Pakistan, the Burusho, the Pathan, and the Kalash claim descent from Greek soldiers associated with Alexander's invasion of southwest Asia. [44] However, on the basis of Y chromosome allele frequency, some researchers describe the exact Greek contribution to Kalash as unclear.[45]

A study by Qamar et al. (2002) found that even though "no support for a Greek origin of their Y chromosomes was found" in the Kalash, Greek Y-chromosome admixture could be as high as 20% to 40%.[46] Considering the apparent absence of Haplogroup 21 (E-M35) in the local population, one of the possibilities suggested was because of genetic drift.[46]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardic_people

genetski antički Makedonci su verovatno bili R1a, G i J2 miks...
a među uzorcima iz Kalash dardskog naroda nema E-V13 danas tipičnog za albansku Geg populaciju..da li to znači da Dardanci ipak nisu bili E-V13 ili da dardski narodi nisu u vezi sa Dardancima (osim možda po imenu)? koliko se sećam E-V13 kog severnih Albanaca ima mali diverzitet i skorog zajedničkog pretka...E-V13 iz Dalmacije već ima veći diverzitet...znači E-V13 su izvorno možda pre rasprostranjeni u Iliriji (ali ne kao jedini i glavni naseljenici) nego među Dardancima....

na Balkanu E-V13 bi izvorište mogla da ima u Tesaliji i Troji..da je bila rasprostranjena u Iliriji vidimo npr. po povećanoj prisutnosti u štikli Italije gde su naseljena ilirska plemena,...

vratimo se na Sicule i Shekelesh vezu

na Siciliji E-V13 je prisutnije u unutrašnjosti nego na rubovima ostrva...evo i zašto...

With the coming of Greek colonists— both Chalcidians, who maintained good relations with the Sicels, and Dorians, who did not—[6] and the growing influence of Greek civilization, the Sicels were forced out of most of the advantageous port sites and withdrew by degrees into the hinterland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siculi

The chief Sicel towns were: Agyrium (Agira); Centuripa or Centuripae (Centorbi, but now once again called Centuripe); Henna (later Castrogiovanni, which is a corruption of Castrum Hennae through the Arabic Qasr-janni, but since the 1920s once again called Enna); and three sites named Hybla: Hybla Major, called Geleatis or Gereatis, on the river Symaethus; Hybla Minor, on the east coast north of Syracuse (possibly pre-dating the Dorian colony of Hyblaean Megara); and Hybla Heraea in the south of Sicily.
...
A god Hybla (or goddess Hyblaea), after whom three towns were named, had a sanctuary at Hybla Gereatis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siculi

na albanskom
Hena = mesec, može imati veze sa hyjni

PIE ā̆g̑her- je dan, svetlost pa je Agira grad svetlosti...

s obzirom da je pra-religija svetlosti doživela progon uvođenjem monoteističkog Boga, moguće je da je kod Arapa Hybla postao Iblis tj. da je odbačeni bivši bog pretvoren u negativnog boga......

inače danas štit grada Agira izgleda ovako

dakle Sikuli/Shekelesh su bili deo PIE religije svetlosti...
pa povezivanje njihovog imena sa albanskom reči za sijanje (shkëlqim) ima smisla...

slika sa zidova egipatskog hrama Medinet Habu

Shekelesh je drugi sa leve strane...prvi je Labu...zadnji je Peleset...
jasno je da Shekelesh nosi albansku "Qelesh" kapu...


kako je -iptarë nastavak koji google tranlsate na engleski prevodi kao -ness tj. bilo bi mislim nešto kao --(s)tvo kod nas (kao u srpstvo)
onda je termin Shq+iptarë mogao da izvorno znači Shekelesh /siculi + ness tj. sikuli-tstvo

zanimljivo je i da Illyrus dolazi sa Sicilije...

According to the Illyrian Wars of Appian, Illyrius was the son of the Cyclops Polyphemus and his wife Galatea with siblings Celtus and Galas. The children of Polyphemus all migrated from Sicily and ruled over the peoples named after them, the Celts, the Illyrians, and the Galatians.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrius

ovo bi moglo da znači da su se E-V13 Shekelesh nametnuli kao vladari proto-Ilirima, proto-Keltima i proto-Galima koji su svoja imena dobili po 3 brata koji su nasledili delove kraljevstva....

drugo ime Arbereš/Arvanites je... možda po mitskom pretku...dobar kandidat za pretka Shekelesh ljudi bi mogao da bude biblijski Arba čiji je jedan od unuka Sheshai
napominjem da je ovo vrlo slobodna asocijacija...nemam nikakve tragove po ovom pitanju ...

ideja dolazi otud što Izraelce inače smatram mogućim ostatkom raznih "morskih ljudi" koji su bili zarobljeni od strane Egipta...

Arba (Hebrew: ארבע‎) (meaning "four") was a man mentioned in assorted, but early, Old Testament verses of the Bible. In Joshua 14:15, he is cited as the "greatest man among the Anakites" and the father of Anak. Arba himself was the father of Anak, whose descendents went on to be called the Anakim which is the Hebrew plural. Arba himself was not an Anakite, since he was the progenitor.

The Anakim were said to have been a mixed race of giant people. The scriptures allude to their being Nephilim, meaning 'fallen ones', (again, Hebrew plural for Nephal), which were a crossbreed between the Sons of God and the daughters of men, as cited in Genesis 6:1-2 and Genesis 6:4.

No early history of Arba is given in the Old Testament and little is known of his genealogy, with the exception of his child, Anak, and three possible grandsons, Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, who were driven out of the land Caleb inherited, as cited in Joshua 15:13-14.

The Bible also mentions that the city of Hebron was in ancient times known to be called Kirjath-arba or "Kiriath Arba" ("city of Arba"; apparently after Arba). Although a modern day settlement exists east of Hebron named Kiryat Arba, its relation is not known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arba

 

[Arbër.]

albanski jezik i istorija Albanaca su zanimljiva tema...ali s obzirom da je to osetljiva tema i kao neko ko ne poznaje albanski jezik i kulturu izbegavam ovu temu...

To je i razlog zasto sam samo nekoliko reci postirao na gornjem postu , i ako sam slab za ovu temu a vi ste profesionalac prema meni .
Video sam na albanskom forumu ( Etnološke sličnosti sa slavenskom ili srpskom u ovome slucaju ) da ima vise od 50% slicnosti , ali kako rece , mozda jos nije vreme za to ..

Nesto u vezi teme od :

Dr. Stefan Schumacher
University of Vienna
Institute of Linguistics / Indo-European Studies


Austrian Science Fund FWF
Mag. Stefan Bernhardt
Wien, Austria

Spojler

(Old) Albanian - Living legacy of a dead language?

According to the central hypothesis of a project undertaken by the Austrian Science Fund FWF, Old Albanian had a significant influence on the development of many Balkan languages. Intensive research now aims to confirm this theory. This little-known language is being researched using all available texts before a comparison with other Balkan languages is carried out. The outcome of this work will include the compilation of a lexicon providing an overview of all Old Albanian verbs.

Different languages in the same geographical area often reveal certain similarities, despite there being no evidence of a common origin. This phenomenon, known as "Sprachbund", is also evident in the Balkan region where the Albanian, Greek, Bulgarian, Macedonian and Romanian languages display common words and structures. The question is whether these languages have influenced one another, or whether one specific language has been decisive in shaping the evolution of the others?

A project by the Department of Linguistics at the University of Vienna aims to prove that (Old) Albanian was a major influence on the other Balkan languages. Linguist Dr. Stefan Schumacher and his colleague Dr. Joachim Matzinger are undertaking pioneering research in two key areas. The initial stage involves an in-depth examination of Old Albanian, as research into this language is extremely scarce in comparison to modern Albanian. This includes an analysis of the Old Albanian verbal system using all available written sources - the first study of its kind. In the second stage, the results are compared with the verbal systems of the other Balkan languages to establish where similarities occur.

Influences from Albania
As project leader Dr. Schumacher explains, the research is already bearing fruit: "So far, our work has shown that Old Albanian contained numerous modal levels that allowed the speaker to express a particular stance to what was being said. Compared to the existing knowledge and literature, these modal levels are actually more extensive and more nuanced than previously thought. We have also discovered a great many verbal forms that are now obsolete or have been lost through restructuring - until now, these forms have barely even been recognized or, at best, have been classified incorrectly." These verbal forms are crucial to explaining the linguistic history of Albanian and its internal usage.

However, they can also shed light on the reciprocal relationship between Albanian and its neighbouring languages. The researchers are following various leads which suggest that Albanian played a key role in the Balkan Sprachbund. For example, it is likely that Albanian is the source of the suffixed definite article in Romanian, Bulgarian and Macedonian, as this has been a feature of Albanian since ancient times.

Literature
This project is based on the entire body of available Old Albanian literature dating from between the 16th and 18th centuries. This will prove a real challenge for the researchers as it comprises 1,500 pages of text, each of which must be analysed extremely carefully. Dr. Matzinger comments: "Until now, very little research has been carried out on these texts, as we are dealing almost exclusively with Catholic religious literature that was first forgotten and then became taboo, particularly during the Communist era. Following the fall of Communism, this literature has once again emerged from the shadows, but, so far, there has been a lack of money and of background knowledge about Catholicism."

Due to their role in the FWF project, these old texts are receiving a new lease of life and taking their place as part of Austria's rich tradition of research into this area - indeed, the Austrian professor Norbert Jokl, who was killed by the Nazis, is known as the "father of Albanology". Jokl would no doubt have been proud to witness the first complete representation of the Old Albanian verbal system in the form of the lexicon that is to be produced at the conclusion of the research. This will provide a foundation for all future investigations into the verbal system of Albanian and will also prove invaluable to Indo-European studies and linguistics as a whole.

Scientific Contact
Dr. Stefan Schumacher
University of Vienna
Institute of Linguistics / Indo-European Studies
Dr.-Karl-Lueger-Ring 1
1010 Wien, Austria
T +43 / 1 / 4277 - 41 753
M +43 / 676 / 79 73 521
stefan.schumacher@univie.ac.at

Austrian Science Fund FWF
Mag. Stefan Bernhardt
Haus der Forschung [/b]
Sensengasse 1
1090 Wien, Austria
T +43 / 1 / 505 67 40 - 8111
stefan.bernhardt@fwf.ac.at

 

[Konstantin Veliki]

Srp/slavenski-albanski

ZAMKA - ZONKË
MRAZ - MAR-ZI
ZAMKA = ZONKË
GRADITI = G+RADHITI = GJË+RADHITI
Nishan-iti = në+shenjë
Brani - M'bron
-ravnina = rav-nina = rraf-shina(alb)
strogo =shtrëngo
STR-ANA=ana(alb) itd..

Grad je sveslovenska rec.

Strogo isto, em je nemacki streng albanskom slicniji nego srpska rec.

Mraz je slicniji poljskom mrozu.

Strana-Ana je smesno i na poljskom se zove strona ili ruski storona.

braniti nema na prvi pogled nista za albanskom rec a slicniji je ruskoj i poljsko.

Ostatak si mozda u pravu.

 

[Arbër.]

Grad je sveslovenska rec.

Strogo isto, em je nemacki streng albanskom slicniji nego srpska rec.

Mraz je slicniji poljskom mrozu.

Strana-Ana je smesno i na poljskom se zove strona ili ruski storona.

braniti nema na prvi pogled nista za albanskom rec a slicniji je ruskoj i poljsko.

Ostatak si mozda u pravu.

Treba istrazivanja kolega , niko ne pise kome pripadaju te reci nego zato treba profesionalan rad i doci da zakljucka do prave istorije i ne bajkama , sta znaci , nije cudo da smo mi Balkanci jedan isti narod (moguce ?) , a ovo sta ucimo danas je samo SPC -ove bajke .

 

[Konstantin Veliki]

Treba istrazivanja kolega , niko ne pise kome pripadaju te reci nego zato treba profesionalan rad i doci da zakljucka do prave istorije i ne bajkama , sta znaci , nije cudo da smo mi Balkanci jedan isti narod (moguce ?) , a ovo sta ucimo danas je samo SPC -ove bajke .

Izvini ali ne znam sta hoces???

Ili su i Albanci poceli da krive SPC za sve pored, Hrvata, Bosnjaka, Dukljana, Srba nacionalista (ko sto je Seselj), Drugosrbijanaca i.t.d.