Драгољуб Дража Михаиловић

ne znam tko je ilija jukic.....i nesto sam ti rekao, nemoj se izvlaciti. stavi originalnu stranu "novog vremena" mihailovic ne predstavlja 1943 godine nikakvu opasnost za nemce. posle kapitulacije italije cetnici su najnormalnije presli na nemacki platni spisak. deo su nemci razoruzali bez opaljenog metka, kao crnogorske cetnike, deo zaposlili, (dalmacija i slovenija). 1943 godine djilas je kontaktirao cetnicke komandante u dalmaciji i ponudio im saradnju. general wilson je naredio drazi da se drzi odredjenog sektora u srbiji, a u samoj srbiji je 1943 mirno. keserovic i kalabic potpisali ugovore sa nemcima...kakav razlog nemci imaju da ucene mihailovica? njegovi cetnici su vojno razbijeni na neretvi.

:hahaha:

ne znas ko je ilija jukic? opet lazes...ili ti ne znas koga citiras bitno je samo da siri propagandu protiv cetnika...

post kiselog od 28.06.2009., 18:50...tj kiseli citira Iliju Jukica :)

By March 1943, Djujic's notoriety as a war criminal and genocidist had
reached such proportions within the Western camp that Ilija Jukic, a
senior Croatian representative with the pro-Allied Yugoslav government in
exile in London, which exercised nominal control over Mihailovic's Chetnik
forces in the homeland, was forced to go to the Premier and recommend that
"Mihailovic disown Jevdjevic and Djujic, the two Chetnik commanders most
under attack for collaboration with the Italians and massacres of Croats
and Muslims." [6]


[6] Jukic, Ilija. The Fall of Yugoslavia. New York: Harcourt, Brace,
Jovanovich, 1974. p.163.


Dakle kiseli ili si izlapeo ili lazes....bice da je i jedno i drugo...

Od svojih lazi ovog puta nikako ne mozes da pobegnes, previse si u njima...:mrgreen:

nastavi da spamujes, tvoje lazi ostaju...:mrgreen:

post kiselog od danas

poternica iz 1943 godine, se pojavila samo u nedicevoj stampi, 21 jula 1943
godine


post kiselog nesto kasnije

i nesto sam ti rekao, nemoj se izvlaciti. stavi originalnu stranu "novog vremena"

:worth::hahaha:


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Poslednja izmena:
1. ne citiram nikakvog jukica
2. stavi original "novoga vremena" nemoj stavljati stranicu iz knjige
3. nema razloga za poternicom

i nisi komican sam sebi....o poternici sam zavrsio svaku diskusiju, napravio od tebe klovna i ukazao na tvoje lazi...

jukica citiras ovde :mrgreen:

i to istu onu knjigu koja spominje poternicu za Drazom 43.

[6] Jukic, Ilija. The Fall of Yugoslavia. New York: Harcourt, Brace,
Jovanovich, 1974. p.163.

http://forum.krstarica.com/threads/292173&page=5

tvoj poslednji post

3. nema razloga za poternicom

tvoj post danas, nesto ranije

poternica iz 1943 godine, se pojavila samo u nedicevoj stampi, 21 jula 1943
godine


kiseli ti si obican lazov :)
 
Poslednja izmena:
i nisi komican sam sebi....o poternici sam zavrsio svaku diskusiju, napravio od tebe klovna i ukazao na tvoje lazi...

jukica citiras ovde :mrgreen:

i to istu onu knjigu koja spominje poternicu za Drazom 43.

[6] Jukic, Ilija. The Fall of Yugoslavia. New York: Harcourt, Brace,
Jovanovich, 1974. p.163.

http://forum.krstarica.com/threads/292173&page=5

kiseli ti si obican lazov :)

citiram websajt ne jukica, tamo su jos neki autori....
 
No. 41
BRITISH REPORT ON CHETNIK COLLABORATION
W. O. 202,132 A,X/L 01206
PART THREE
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION
A. BOSNIA
1) On 3 July 1943, 80 rifles of the Zenica Chetniks (v. Pt. II A) which had been taken from them by the Germans, were returned to them with the permission of the German GOC.
2) On 4 July 1943, the Chetnik forces of Maj. JAKIC (v. Pt.
II A 3) are reported as collaborating with the Germans in the
area of Visegrad.
3) On 12 July 1943, it is reported that the majority of the Ozren Chetniks (v. Pt. II A) are fighting on the German side.
4) On 22 August 1943, it is reported that in North-Eastern Bosnia the Chetnik forces of KEROVIC are fighting with the Germans against the Partisans.
B. DALMATIA
Information from these sources on Dalmatia refers to the southern area, especially to Dubrovnik, whose Chetniks were part of the Hercegovina Chetnik organization. This information is therefore treated under the next heading.
C. HERCEGOVINA
1) On 10 June 1943, it is reported that the Chetniks in the Mostar area, commanded by PER.OVIC, are showing a loyal attitude towards Germans, and declare that they arc not connected with MIHAILOVIC, they are merely concerned with the preservation of Serbian lives and goods, not with resistance to the occupiers.
2) On 20 June 1943 it is reported that the Chetniks in the Bileca—Gacko area are being provided with food and weapons by the Italians.
3) On 27 June 1943, it is reported that on 20 June, Chetniks were strolling round Trebinje, on the most cordial terms with the Italians.
4) On 31 July 1943 it is reported that MILORAD POPOVIC (v, Pt II C) received 1,260,000 kuna from the Italians.
5) In August it is reported that the Chetniks of VIDACIC" in the Bileca area are collaborating with the Germans against the Partisans.
6) On 14 August, it is reported that PEROVIC is in command of all Chetniks in Dubrovnik area.
7) On 15 August, it is reported that the Chetnik comamnder Capt. MILOS KURES (v. Ft. II C), commanding the forces round Trebinje, is seeking German collaboration, offering 1,000—1,500 men to fight against the Partisans.
8) On 15 August it is reported that BACOVIC (v. Pt. II C) has approached the German Consul-General in Dubrovnik with the aim of starting negotiations with the German QC Mostar, He stated that he was empowered by the Chetnik leaders to do this. He stated that the Chetniks set great value on collaboration with the Germans, but do not wish the fact of this collaboration to be generally known.
9) On 16 August it is reported that JEVDJEVIC^ on his return from Rome has asked Abwehr in Dubrovnik for an early interview with a German plenipotentiary.

10) On 20 August, it is reported that JEVDJEVIC and MIHAILOVTC are not in agreement on the question of collaboration with the Germans.
11) On 31. August, it is reported that JEVDJEVIC has offered the German GOC Prinz Eugen Div., Gen. Oberkamp, 5,000—6,000 Chetniks for fighting against the Partisans. He asked for German official approval. Gen. OBERKAMP referred the matter to higher quarters.

12) On 12 September, it is reported that Chetniks led by SAMARDJIC (v. Pt. II C) and MILORAD POPOVIC are fighting with the Germans against the Partisans in the Gacko area.
13) On 14 September it is reported that PEROVIC has offered the Germans armed collaboration of his forces against the Partisans, and accepted the Independent State of Croatia as being sovereign over Dalmatia after the Italian capitulation.
14) On 9 September instructions were given to Abwher in Croatia to further by all possible means their connection with JEVDJEVIC. The importance of a direct link with MIHAILOVIC'S circle was most strongly emphasised.
15) On 14 September it is reported that, by agreement of the GOC-in-C and Gen. PHLEPPS, the 2nd. Rcgt. is trying through PEROVIC to arrange with JEVDJEVIC for the employment of Chetniks against the Communists.
16) On 15 September the 2nd. SS regt. was seeking contact with JEVDJEVIC, who was then in Sushak.
17) On 21 September, orders were given by the Germans to suspend the arrests of prominent Chetniks which had been undertaken on the grounds that negotiations were in progress with JEVDJEVIC, and that the Chetniks had refused to fight with the Italians against the Germans. The Chetniks had so far maintained a loyal attitude.
18) In September it is reported that HIMMLER'S personal representative has agreed to a proposal for a meeting between the Sichcrheitsdienst (Security Service) and JEVDJEVIC in Zagreb.
D. MONTENEGRO
1) On 11 May, it is reported that the political leader of the Chetniks is Gen. DJUKANOVIC, and that their military leaders are STANISIC, DJURISIC, BACOVIC, LASIC and RUSIC. (v Pt. II D).
2) On 14 May, DJURISIC stated that he was willing to fight with the Germans against the Communists, and would then place himself afterwards at the disposal of the Germans.s
3) On 27 September, it is reported that the Germans were in touch with STANISIC and DJUKANOVIC, who feared that the Partisans would deprive them of the arms which they had hoped to take over from the Italians.
4) On 13 September, it is reported that Chetniks of DJURISIC, who had been released by the Germans after the May fighting, were in occupation of the Kolashin—Berane—Bijelo Polje area, under MILAN RADOVIC and DIMITRIJE KALATOVIC.
5) On 9 September, it was reported that STANISIC and DJUKANOVIC were both near Danilovgrad. STANISIC was willing to join with the Montenegrin Nationalists collaborating with the Germans.
6) On 31 October, it is reported that LASIC is in command of 2,000 Chetniks near Lijeva Rijeka.
7) On 21 November it is reported that LASIC (v. Pt. II D) has asked the Germans for help in order to hold Ubli against the Partisans.
8) On 6 December it is reported that LASIC is collaborating with the Abwehr in a sabotage undertaken in the Andrijevica— Kolasin—Podgorica area, providing 400 men for this purpose
E. SERBLA AND SANDJAK
1) On 19 June 1943 it is reported that LUKACEVIC (v. Pt. II D) is leading 2,500 Chetniks against the Partisans in the area Kovac Planina—Prijepolje—Pljevlja—Priboj.
2) On 5 November it was reported that MIHAILOVIC ordered all Chetnik units to collaborate loyally with the Germans.
3) On... it was reported that these orders had referred only to Montenegro.

4) On 3 December it is reported that a secret treaty was made between the German military authorities and Maj. LUKACEVIC. All hostilities were to cease between the Chetniks and the German, Bulgarian or NEDIC forces. All were to collaborate against the Partisans. The Germans were to have the Supreme Command and to supply the Chetniks with arms. The treaty was to extend to West Serbia, Sandjak and North Montenegro.
5) On 10 December it was reported that negotiations are going on between MIHAILOVIC and NEDIC.
NOTE
For proof of close relations of MIHAILOVIC with BACOVIC, JEVDJEVIC, LUKAGEVIC, LASIC, DJURISIC, STANISIC and DJUKANOVIC, see Part Two, sections C and D.
For examples of Chetnik leaders collaborating with the Germans with approval of MIHAILOVIC, but at the same time denying to the Germans that they were connected with MIHAILOVIC, see Part Two, section A.
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Dakle ove dve poternice govore vise od 1000 reci i samo su one dovoljne da se razbije komunisticka propaganda....

Pored ovih poternica, tokom citavog rata Nemci hapse, odvode u logore i streljaju pristalice Draze Mihailovica...

Plakati koji stoje na ovoj temi, a koje ne bih ponovo postavljao takodje su prica za sebe, i pravi pokazatelj situacije....prema njima svaka komunisticka propaganda je smesna:

http://forum.krstarica.com/threads/284957&page=19
 
U Srbiji, u njenom najvećem delu, nakon gerilskih i frontalnih borbi iz 1941. vođenih sa
promenljivom umešnošću i uspehom, partizanska organizacija je u dubokoj ilegali. Sve
vreme do leta 1944. komunisti su pokušavali da ponovo uspostave organizaciju, da bi
ponovo počeli sa formiranjem ozbiljnijih jedinica.
Sve vreme do leta 1944. četnici su proveli pokušavajući da ih u tome spreče.
Nakon pada Italije komunikacije kroz Srbiju su za saveznike još više dobile na
strateškom značaju. One su povezivale dve nemačke armijske formacije - 2. oklopnu
armiju u NDH (i Crnoj Gori i Sandžaku) sa Armijskom grupom "E" u Grčkoj. Za sve
to vreme, u užoj Srbiji uglavnom nije bilo ni jedne nemačke borbene jedinice.
Postojala su dva alternativna plana savezničkog iskrcavanja na Balkanu: u Grčkoj, ili u
Dalmaciji. U prvom slučaju, komunikacije kroz Srbiju bile su od vitalnog značaja za
snabdevanje nemačke armije u Grčkoj, a u drugom za njeno izvlačenje iz Grčke i
suprotstavljanju invaziji u NDH.
Iako ovi planovi nikad nisu ušli u operativnu fazu, saveznička Komanda Srednjeg Istoka
pridavala je vrlo veliki prioritet kontroli nad ovim komunikacijama.
Svojim nepokolebljivim odbojnim stavom prema bilo kakvim dejstvima na ove
komunikacije, Mihailović je objektivno postao protivnik savezničkog ratnog napora
na Balkanu. Time su njegovi korpusi objektivno postali spoljna linija odbrane
nemačkih vitalnih komunikacija.
Zbog toga ga general Vilson u svom poznatom telegramu-ultimatumu od 9. XII
1943. upozorava:
"Sloboda kojom se Nemci služe železničkim prugama od Grčke do Beograda za
prevoz trupa i izdržavanje istih, nepodnošljiva je."
Ovo je dovelo do toga da je početkom 1944. Komanda Srednjeg Istoka (od 1944.
Komanda Mediterana) za jedan od svojih prioriteta proglasila jačanje i
snabdevanje partizanskih jedinica u Srbiji, na položajima sa kojih mogu ugroziti
moravsku i ibarsku komunikaciju.
Ovi zajednički napori NOVJ i saveznika doveli su do zajedničkog odgovora - niza
operacija pod nemačkom komandom od marta do avgusta 1944, u kojima su, pored
nemačkih, bugarskih, nedićevskih, ljotićevskih i RZK-jedinica, organizovano
učestvovale i glavne snage đenerala Mihailovića. Ovo naročito zbog toga što su one
na tom terenu predstavljale najznačajniju formaciju.
Na taj način se đeneral Mihailović sa svojim snagama i subjektivno svrstao protiv
saveznika, na stranu Hitlera.
Ova se linija sukoba kasnije samo produbila.
Mihailovićeve snage su predstavljale glavninu nemačke odbrane u zapadnoj Srbiji
septembra 1944.
Tokom novembra i decembra 1944 svojim bočnim dejstvima iz pravca Rogatice prema
Zvorniku i Tuzli znatno su olakšali izvlačenje nemačkog 34. armijskog korpusa sa
"kraljevačkog mostobrana" na Sremski front, gde su ove izvele poznate protivnapade 3. i
17. januara 1945.
Dakle, čak i kad ostavimo po strani nespornu kvislinšku delatnost četnika u Crnoj Gori,
Sandžaku i NDH, nema nikakve sumnje u to na čijoj strani i protiv koga se Mihailović
borio u ratu. U tome ništa ne mogu izmeniti pojedine slike ili fotomontaže.
Đeneral Mihailović borio se protiv Saveznika, a na strani naci-fašističke koalicije.
Građanski rat bio je apsolutno neizbežna posledica ovog njegovog opredeljenja.
Jedina njegova veza sa saveznicima bila je - i ostala - njegova želja da mu saveznici na
tanjiru donesu pobedu i vlast.
 
kiseli inace u postu iznad , u skladu sa svojim ciljem, a to je spamovanje teme, citira bilo koji izvor koji prosipa standradnu komunisticku propagandu, bez argumenata...nisu to cak ni komunisticki, hrvatski i bosnjacki istoricari vec postovi koje nadje na netu...

tako recimo gore citira post nekog gorran2 od 01:29 28.03.2009

http://blog.b92.net/text/8653/Istina je u imenima/

i sve to kao odgovor na sledece

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Original

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Poslednja izmena:
AGREEMENT BETWEEN GERMAN COMMANDER SOUTHEAST AND MAJOR LUKACEVIC
NAW
Mf. T — 77
R. 822, 630919

Secret
Transcript

Excerpt from agreement between Military Commander Southeast and Chetnik Hq. 148, leader Major Lukacevic, of November 19, 1943.
1) Cease-fire within the Bajina Basra—Drina—Tara—Bijelo
Polje—Rozaj—Kos. Mitrovica—Ibar—Kraljevo—Cacak—Uzice area.
The agreement shall include the German Wehrmacht and police, the Bulgarian army, the Serbian Volunteer Corps, the Serbian State Guard, the Russian Protective Corps, the Serbian authorities and business firms, and on the Chetnik side, the detachments of Major Lukacevic in the aforementioned area.
2) The cease-fire shall provide the basic pre-condition for joint fighting against the communists.
3) Joint propaganda against the communists.
4) Pledge by Lukacevic that no member of the units under his command will fight on the side of the enemy powers at war with Germany.
5) Abandonment by the Wehrmacht of combat areas which will be taken over by the Chetnik detachments for the purpose of independent conduct of operations.
6) The inclusion of Chetnik detachments during larger scale joint operations under German command. In these periods the German leadership shall issue combat orders to the Chetnik detachments.
7) Pledge by major Lukacevic to refrain from any action against the Moslems, in return for the German pledge to prevent any Moslem action against the Serbian population and Lukacevic's detachments. Eventual conflict shall entail joint inquiry and settlement.
8) Exchange of liaison staffs.
9) Deliveries of German ammunition for the purpose of carrying out joint combat missions in accordance with military requirements. Presentation of data on the numerical force, deployment and armaments of Chetnik detachments.
10) The agreement must be kept secret.

Commander Southest, Higher Command Army Group F
Ic g/AG
No. 2107/43 Most Secret November 20, 1943
O.U. November 22, 1943
...........................
 
AGREEMENT BETWEEN COLONEL J. SIMIC AND
CAPTAIN N. KALABIC WITH GERMAN
COMMANDER SOUTHEAST

NAW
Mf. T — 77
R 882,
630907 — 908

Military Secret
Transcript

Telex Commander Southeast (Higher Command Army Group F) Ic No. 2364/43 Most Secret December 12, 1943

Excerpts from agreement between Military Commander Southeast and Chetnik leaders Captain Nikola Kalabic and Colonel Jevrem Simic (Inspector of D.M. Chetniks) of November 27, 1943:

1. Cease-fire in the districts of Umka, Vracar, Grocka,Podunavski, Kosmaj, Mladenovac, Oplenac, Arandjelovac, Lepenicki, Kragujevac, Gruza, Kacer and Kolubarski.
The Chetniks pledge themselves to cease with arbitrary administration of justice among the Germans and Volksdeutschers. The agreement shall extend to the German Wehrmacht and Police forces, Bulgarian Army, the Serbian Volunteer Corps, Serbian State Guard, Russian Protective Corps, Serbian authorities and business firms, and on the Chetnik detachments of Captain Kalabic and Colonel Simic.
2. The cease-fire should provide the basic pre-condition for joint struggle against the communists.
3. A statement shall be made by Kalabic and Simic to the effect that no member of the units under their command will fight on the side of the powers at war with Germany. Kalabic and Simic pledge to cut off all intelligence channels through which the enemies of the Greater German Wehrmacht might obtain information on German troop movements.
4. The placing of Chetnik detachments under German command in the course of larger-scale joint operations. During these periods combat missions shall be assigned to the Chetnik detachments by the German leadership.
5. Exchange of liaison staffs.
6. Deliveries of German ammunition supplies for the purpose of carrying out joint combat missions in accordance with military requirements.
7. The agreement is valid until December 31, 1943. Extension of term of validity possible provided treaty is loyally fulfilled by the Chetniks.
8. The agreement must be kept secret.
...........................
 
samo ti mirno radi pauze...ne daj se smetati....samo da se vidi da nema razloga za bilo kakvom poternicom sa strane nemaca.......

jel za ovom poternicom...citiram te: :D

poternica iz 1943 godine, se pojavila samo u nedicevoj stampi, 21 jula 1943
godine


Mene vise brine ova poternica za Tiletom, kad se on stavlja na raspolaganje Nemcima, kao glavne neprijatelje istice cetnike, i spremnost da zajedno sa Nemcima napadne saveznike...

ne znam, tako Djilas prica...hehhehehehe

iscekujemo originale ovih dokumenata....bar izvor, jel si sposoban toliko...
 
Poslednja izmena:
kiseli inace u postu iznad , u skladu sa svojim ciljem, a to je spamovanje teme, citira bilo koji izvor koji prosipa standradnu komunisticku propagandu, bez argumenata...nisu to cak ni komunisticki, hrvatski i bosnjacki istoricari vec postovi koje nadje na netu...

tako recimo gore citira post nekog gorran2 od 01:29 28.03.2009

http://blog.b92.net/text/8653/Istina...20u imenima/

i sve to kao odgovor na sledece]

mogu samo da ti ponovim moj odgovor. omot knjige nije nikakav falsifikat fotografije. auto knjige je hteo ilustrovati naslov knjige "kolaboracija", pa je ubacio sa krajnje desne i leve strane dva lika, nemackog majora i ljoticevca. i ubacio posebno glavu draze mihailovica. autor nije imao photoshop, i ova graficka tehnika se zove "kolaz"
vidljivo ja da si u stanju samo da ponavljas iste stvari ,koji si uvek postavljao na bilo koju temu koja dodiruje cetnike, tako da svi znamo napamet
 
jel za ovom poternicom...citiram te: :D

poternica iz 1943 godine, se pojavila samo u nedicevoj stampi, 21 jula 1943
godine


Mene vise brine ova poternica za Tiletom, kad se on stavlja na raspolaganje Nemcima, kao glavne neprijatelje istice cetnike, i spremnost da zajedno sa Nemcima napadne saveznike...

ne znam, tako Djilas prica...hehhehehehe

mene ne narocito, dobio si odgovor od mene, ja cu nastaviti dalje da stavljam dokumenta redom iz razlicitih stranih arhiva, da razbijemo monotoniju tvojih ponovljenih postova i nedostatak bilo kakve argumentovane diskusije...
 
[QUOTEkiseli inace u postu iznad , u skladu sa svojim ciljem, a to je spamovanje teme, citira bilo koji izvor koji prosipa standradnu komunisticku propagandu, bez argumenata...nisu to cak ni komunisticki, hrvatski i bosnjacki istoricari vec postovi koje nadje na netu...

tako recimo gore citira post nekog gorran2 od 01:29 28.03.2009

http://blog.b92.net/text/8653/Istina...20u imenima/

i sve to kao odgovor na sledece]

mogu samo da ti ponovim moj odgovor. omot knjige nije nikakav falsifikat fotografije. auto knjige je hteo ilustrovati naslov knjige "kolaboracija", pa je ubacio sa krajnje desne i leve strane dva lika, nemackog majora i ljoticevca. i ubacio posebno glavu draze mihailovica. autor nije imao photoshop, i ova graficka tehnika se zove "kolaz"
vidljivo ja da si u stanju samo da ponavljas iste stvari ,koji si uvek postavljao na bilo koju temu koja dodiruje cetnike, tako da svi znamo napamet[/QUOTE]

ponavljam zato sto si citirao izlaganje nekog gorran2 sa sajata B92 :hahaha:, a tamo je bila ta tema....tj tamo je predstavljen ovaj falsifikat sa naslovne strane Nikole P Ilica...

treba li ponovo da podsetim ljude na tvoje lazi i na tvoj raniji odgovor...

HOCES LI KONKRETNO ODGOVORITI NA SLEDECE:

1.DA LI JE ISTINA DA SI RANIJE TVRDIO DA JE SLIKA SA NASLOVNE STRANE ORIGINAL, A OVA KOJA JE ORIGINAL FALSIFIKAT NAPRAVLJE U PHOTOSHOPU JER JE SUVISE DOBROG KVALITETA

2. ODAKLE POTREBA AUTORU KNJIGE DA PRAVI KOLAZ, KAD JEDAN HECTORIUOS IMA MASU SLIKA CETNIKA I NEMACA :hahaha:

3. AKO JE U PITANJU NEKAKAV KOLAZ (NE ZNAS NI STA PREDSTAVLJA TA TEHNIKA AL NECEMO O TOME) ZASTO JE SLIKA NA NASLOVNOJ STRANI VIDNO OSTECENA....:mrgreen:....
 
mogu samo da ti ponovim moj odgovor. omot knjige nije nikakav falsifikat fotografije. auto knjige je hteo ilustrovati naslov knjige "kolaboracija", pa je ubacio sa krajnje desne i leve strane dva lika, nemackog majora i ljoticevca. i ubacio posebno glavu draze mihailovica. autor nije imao photoshop, i ova graficka tehnika se zove "kolaz"
vidljivo ja da si u stanju samo da ponavljas iste stvari ,koji si uvek postavljao na bilo koju temu koja dodiruje cetnike, tako da svi znamo napamet

Omot ili ilustracija na koricama nikad nije ni trebalo da imaju niti ce imati dokumentarni karakter.

Omot je tu da isprovocira da privuce paznju, pa makar i bilo zle namere iza toga.

Stvar umetnicke slobode.
 

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