Crvena i bela ruzha?!

[strajo]

Mozhe li neko da mi obajsni vezu Bele i Crvene ruzhe sa istorijom Srbije (Karadjordjevici i Obrenovici) i njihov uticaj danas?!

 

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[The Dule]

Tjudori i Lankasteri su zenski ogranci engleske dinastije Plantagenet. Kad je izumrla muska grana onda su ove dve zaratile. Jedni su bili u Jorku, drugi u Velsu cini mi se. Ne znam kakve veze mogu da imaju s nama...

 

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Ni ja ne kapiram pitanje....uopšte...

Dobro jest poznato da je sukob dinastija Karadjordjević i Obrenović metaforično nazivan "rat ruža" po ugledu na dinastije Jork i Lankaster...ali mi zaista pitanje nije jasno...:?
Mogao bi autor teme malo da obrazloži na šta je mislio...

 

[Molgran]

Sigurno je mislio na poredjenje-zasto ih porede..pa samo zato sto su se isto tako borile za vlast...

 

[crni lepotan]

English Sovereigns
The first unified government of England came with the conquest of the Danish in northern England by Edward the Elder. The rule of succession to the throne is primogeniture, or the passing of the throne to the oldest son (or daughter when there are no sons). The English monarchy continued to rule England until the 19th century, when the country became a constitutional monarchy, and most national policy was decided by Parliament.
Reign Name Relationship
West Saxon Kings
899-924 Edward the Elder son of Alfred the Great
924-39 Athelstan son of Edward I
939-46 Edmund half brother of Athelstan
946-55 Edred brother of Edmund
955-59 Edwy son of Edmund
959-75 Edgar brother of Edwy
975-78 Edward the Martyr son of Edgar
978-1016 Ethelred II son of Edgar
1016 Edmund Ironside son of Ethelred
Danish Kings
1016-35 Canute II son of Sweyn I of Denmark who conquered England 1013
1035-37 Harold I and Hardecanute sons of Canute II (each ruled a part of England as decided by the royal council)
1037-40 Harold I son of Canute
1040-42 Hardecanute son of Canute
West Saxon Kings (restored)
1042-66 Edward the Confessor son of Ethelred II
1066 Harold II son of Godwin
Norman Kings
1066-87 William I illegitimate son of Duke Robert the Devil
1087-1100 William II son of William I
1100-35 Henry I son of William I
1135-53 Stephen grandson of William II
House of Plantagenet
1153-89 Henry II son of Matilda (daughter of Henry I)
1189-99 Richard I son of Henry II
1199-1216 John son of Henry II
1216-72 Henry III son of John
1272-1307 Edward I son of Henry III
1307-27 Edward II son of Edward I
1327-77 Edward III son of Edward II
1377-99 Richard II son of the Black Prince
House of Lancaster
1399-1413 Henry IV son of John of Gaunt
1413-22 Henry V son of Henry IV
1422-61, 1470-71 Henry VI son of Henry V
House of York
1461-70, 1471-83 Edward IV son of Richard, Duke of York
1483 Edward V son of Edward IV
1483-85 Richard III brother of Edward IV
House of Tudor
1485-1509 Henry VII son of Edmund Tudor, Earl of Richmond
1509-47 Henry VIII son of Henry VII
1547-53 Edward VI son of Henry VIII
1553-58 Mary I daughter of Henry VIII
1558-1603 Elizabeth I daughter of Henry VIII
House of Stuart
1603-25 James I great-grandson of Margaret (daughter of Henry VII)
1625-49 Charles I son of James I
The Commonwealth
1649-58 Oliver Cromwell
1658-60 Richard Cromwell
House of Stuart (restored)
1660-85 Charles II son of Charles I
1685-88 James II son of Charles I
1689-94 William III and Mary II son of Mary (daughter of Charles I); daughter of James II
1694-1702 William III son of Mary (daughter of Charles I)
1702-14 Anne daughter of James II
House of Hannover
1714-27 George I son of Sophia (granddaughter of James I)
1727-60 George II son of George I
1760-1820 George III son of Frederick (son of George II)
1820-30 George IV (regent 1811-20) son of George III
1830-37 William IV son of George III
1837-1901 Victoria daughter of Edward (son of George III)
House of Saxe-Coburg
1901-10 Edward VII son of Victoria
House of Windsor
1910-36 George V son of Edward VII
1936 Edward VIII (abdicated) son of George V
1936-52 George VI son of George V
1952- Elizabeth II daughter of George VI

cisto da docaram

 

[strajo]

Serija "Kraj dinastije Obrnovica" na RTS- u se zavrshava rechima "to je bio kraj rata bele o crvene ruzhe???", a poznato je da je kao odgovor na tajnu organizaciju "Crna Ruka" sledilo formiranje "Bele ruke" medju oficirima Srpske vojske. Interesuje me da li je moguce da je to samo nastavak a da je vezano za Rozekrojcere i pripadnost dinastija razlichitim frakcijama te organizacije?
Nisam uspeo nigde nishta na netu da nadjem u vezi toga..

P.S.
Ovo ovako formalno je zato shto mi je to moj cyale izdiktirao, ai to njega sve zanima...

 

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Obična metafora....Već sam objasnio gore...