Cetnici i americki ,,piloti"

[Stgt0711]

ako je ovaj dokument iz nemackih arhiva, onda ne verujem da moze da prodje kao "komunisticka propaganda"!

 

[kiseli1]

German-Chetnik relations and Serbian Nazi connection
and collaboration
In this thread I´ll be posting exclusively German documents and a occasional quote from
books written by Germans who served in Yugoslavia in WW2, both connected to the
relations Wehrmacht had with Chetniks of Draza Mihailovic,a highly disputed matter.
Quote:
July 13th, 1943The Abt.Fremde Heere West has informed GenStdH
about the message of Gen.Mihailovic to his commanders dated July 7th
in which he, in the light of Allied landings in Sicily ,calls for
preparations for uprising to be made,but to attack on his signal only…
Percy Schramm (hrsg.) “Kriegstagebuch des Oberkommando der Wehrmacht 1940-
1945″,Bernard&Graefe Verlgag,Muenchen,1982 (later “KTB OKW”),Band 6/II,p.779
Quote:
July 20th,1943OB Suedost informs about a captured radio-message of
Mihailovic dated July 16th in which he,in the light of lthe looming
events,calls for Sabotage in Croatia and thrust to the Adriatic,so that
the Allies find chetniks instead of communists there.To take the wind
out of Tito´s sails,the propaganda is to be Yugoslav rather than
Greater-Serbian…
KTB OKW,b. 6/II,p.812
Quote:
August 30th,1943OKW has sent Führer´s decree dated August 28th
over appointment of envoy Neubacher as “Sonderbevollmächtigten des
Ausw. Amtes für den Südosten” as an addition to his existing tasks in
the South-east.Appointment has already been forseen in a regulation
concerning Befelsführung in the South-east.His official seat is to be in
Belgrade.
KTB OKW,b.6/II,p.1036
Quote:
October 30th,1943On October 29th,Special envoy Neubacher has
briefed the Führer on political and economical issues in the Southeast,
especially on Tito´s growing influence.On the same day an order
was issued concerning the united effort in the struggle against
communism in the South-east.The foreign ministry has despatched it
on October 30th,with a request that all involved military posts are to be
informed >”mit der Bitte um unterrichtung der beteiligten militärischen
Stellen”<.Special envoy Neubacher,who receives his instructions from
the Foreign minister,is charged with the political leadership in fight
against Comunnism and with organisation of anti-communist
nationalistic forces in the South-east.He is to take care that the political
and economical measures are targeted against Communism.The
ordering of reprisals is to be done in consultation with him. It is further
instructed that the commanding powers are to be tightened in the
person of Oberbefehlshaber of AG “F”. Sp.envoy Neubacher has also
been granted special powers:among others, he has the authorisation to
negotiate with nationalsitic bands,if the possibilty occurs.(Bands of
Draza Mihailovic,which have partly been pushed back to Serbia by
Tito,appear to be breaking up.)….
KTB OKW,b.6/II,p.1233
Quote:
November 5th,1943Serbia: Mihailovic strives for a national-Serbian
army >”bemüht sich um…Armee”<.He waits for an outside impulse to
take action.Because there is still no such impusle,his movement faces
crisis.Opposite to him,Communism steadily gains influence;it pushed
Mihailovic out of Croatia. Because of this,he seeks conntact with
German posts. It is striven to dissuade him from actions against
Germans;still,precaution has to be taken against blackmailing
methods.Apart from that communist action aimed at dissolution of his
forces has far advanced.
KTB OKW b.6/II,p.1252-1253
Quote:
November 7th,1943From the German point of view it is desirable that
Tito changes the coast as his main objective.So far he has pushed back
the Serbian chetniks.It is the question if these ,under the
circumstances,can be won over for our side. Sp. envoy Neubacher is
authorised for the negotiations.
KTB OKW b.6/II,p.1261
Quote:
November 17th,1943Proposals for arrangement with chetnik groups
have been presented. At the moment,only single bands are involved,not
Mihailovic personaly.
KTB OKW b.6/II,p.1289
Quote:
November 20th,1943The OB Südost sent an extract from an agreement
signed between the Mil.Bef.Serbien and Cetnik Staff 148 on November
19th.
KTB OKW b.6/II,p.1294
Quote:
November 21st,1943The cease-fire agreement between
German,Bulgarian and Serbian security forces on one side,and chetnik
groups on Serbian-Montenegro border on the other side has been
signed between Mil.Bef. Serbien and a high-ranking DM commander.
The agreement,in which Mihailovic has not been involved ,should serve
as a prerequisite for a joint fight against the communists.
KTB OKW b.6/II,p.1296
Here is the text of the agreement (scanned from J.Piekalkiewicz´s “Krieg auf dem Balkan
1940-1945″ and converted using ABBYY Scan-to-Office software):
Quote:
Geheime KommandosacheAuszug aus Vertrag zwischen Mil.
Befehlshaber Südost und Cetnikstab 148, Führer Major Lukacevic,
vom 19.11.43.
1.Waffenruhe im Raum Bajina Basta - Drin-Fluß -Tara-Fluß -
Bijelopolje - Rozaj - Kos. Mitrovica -Ibar-Fluß - Kraljevo - Cacak -
Uzice.
In Abkommen sind eingeschlossen Deutsche Wehrmacht und Polizei,
Bulgarische Wehrmacht, SFK, SSW, RSK, serbische Behörden und
Wirtschaftsbetriebe, auf Cetnikseite Cetnikverbände des Majors
Lukacevic im genannten Gebiet.
2.Waffenruhe soll Voraussetzung für gemeinsamen Kampf gegen
Kommunisten bilden.
3.Gemeinsamer propagandistischer Kampf gegen Kommunismus.
4.Bestätigung Lukacevic, daß in unterstellten Einheiten kein
Angehöriger der mit Deutschland im Krieg befindlichen Mächte
vorhanden.
5.Überlassung von Kampfräumen an Cetnikverbände zu selbständiger
Kampfführung durch Deutsche Wehrmacht.
6.Eingliederung der Cetnikverbände in deutsche Kampfführung bei
größeren gemeinsamen Operationen. Kampfaufträge für diese Zeit
durch deutsche Führung an Cetnikverbände.
7.Verpflichtung Major Lukacevic nicht gegen Mohamedaner
vorzugehen. Verpflichtung deutscherseits,mohamedanisches Vorgehen
gegen serbische Bevölkerung und Verbände Lukacevic zu verhindern.
Bei Zwischenfällen gemeinsame Untersuchung und Befreiung.
8.Austausch von Verbindungsstäben.
9.Lieferung deutscher Munition zur Durchführung gemeinsamer
Kampfaufgaben entsprechend militärischen Notwendigkeiten. Vorlage
von Stärke, Gliederung und Bewaffnung der Cetnikverbände.
10.Vertrag ist geheimzuhalten.
OB Südost (Okdo. H. Gr. F) Ic C/AO
Nr. 2107/43 gKdos. v. 20.11.43
Translated extracts:
Quote:
2.Cease-fire should be a prerequisite for joint action against the
communists.
3.Joint propaganda aginst Communism.
6.Integration of chetnik units in the German command chain during
bigger operations.Tasks of the chetniks will be determinted by German
command.
8.Exchange of liason staffs.
9.Ammunition for use in joint actions will be supplied according to the
military neccesities.Information on strenght,order of battle and
weapons of Chetnik groups are to be submitted.

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[kiseli1]

Here is the original German “Dislokation” map (courtesy of Mr.Awender).Under the
“1.Geb.Div”, “Cetn.Vbd.Lukacevic” is to be seen:
And v.Weichs’ instruction on dealing with chetniks,dated November 21st,1943 (from the
same source as the scan above):
Quote:
Geheime Kommandosache! Ic/AO Nr. 2171/43 g.Kdos.
II. Ang.
H. Qu.,den21.11.1943
Der Oberbefehlshaber
Südost
(OKdo.H.Gr.F)
IC/AO Nr. 2171/43 g.Kdos.1. In Auswirkung der seit längerer Zeit in
enger Zusammenarbeit mit dem Sonderbevollmächtigten des
Auswärtigen Amtes und OB. Südost geführten Verhandlungen mit
Führern von Cetnikverbänden wurde ein Abkommen geschlossen, das
örtlich begrenzte Waffenruhe und fallweise zu treffende gemeinsame
Kampfführung gegen den Kommunismus vorsieht.
2.Voraussetzung für dieses Abkommen war es und wird es bei
möglichen weiteren Abkommen sein, daß die Cetnikverbände
a)sich aller Kampf- und Sabotagehandlungen gegen die deutsche
Wehrmacht, deren Verbündete, die mit diesen gemeinsam kämpfenden
landeseigenen Verbände und die Muselmanen enthalten,
b)bei Teilnahme an gemeinsamen Kampfhandlungen gegen die
Kommunisten sich der deutschen Führung unterstellen,
c)alle Verbindungen zu den mit Deutschland im Kriege stehenden
Mächten aufgeben und vorhandene Verbindungsstäbe ausliefern,
d)sich an einer gemeinsamen Propaganda gegen denKommunismus
beteiligen.
3.Sämtliche Offiziere sind über folgendes zu unterrichten:
a) Das bisherige Verbot einer Zusammenarbeit mit den
Cetnikverbänden und einzelnen Banden entsprach der eindeutigen
Festlegung des Obersten Cetnik führers Draga Mihajlovic auf
unabdingbaren Kampf gegen Deutschland und seine Verbündeten,von
dem dieser sich bisher nicht losgesagt hat.
b)Die Erklärung einzelner Cetnikführer, den Kampf gegen den
Kommunismus gemeinsam mit der deutschenWehrmacht führen zu
wollen, kam der Gesamtbeurteilung der Feindlage im Südostraum, die
das kommunistische Bandenunwesen und seine nachweisbare ideelle
und materielle Unterstützung durch die UdSSR als Hauptgefahr
erkannt hat, entgegen und mußte demnach zu einer Überprüfung der
Cetnik-Angebote führen.
c)Die neuerdings loyale Einstellung einzelner Cetnik-verbände kann
nicht verallgemeinert werden, da auch heute noch Überfälle und
Sabotageakte durch Cetnik-Banden ausgeführt werden.
d)Der Truppe sind weiterhin Verhandlungen mit Cetnikverbänden
verboten.Eigenmächtigkeiten können nur die von höchster politischer
und militärischer Stelle
aus angebahnten Verbindungen stören und damit schwere Nachteile für
die Gesamtführung im Südost Raum zur Folge haben.
e)Örtliche Cetnikführer, die sich zu gemeinsamem Kampf anbieten,
sind an die nächstliegende Dienststelle der Abwehr oder des SD zu
verweisen.
f)Die Propaganda gegen die Cetnik-Bewegung wird eingestellt, ihre
Wiederaufnahme ist abhängig von der Entwicklung der
neugeschaffenen Lage.
gez. Frhr. von Weichs Generalfeldmarschall
Translation:
Quote:
1.As a result of the long negotiations that the “OB Südost” and
“Sonderbevollmächtigten des Auswärtigen Amtes” had with the
commanders of chetnik groups,the agreement has been made,which
provides local cease-fire and occasional joint action against
Communism.2.Prerequiste for this agreement was,and for eventual
future agreements will be that the Chetniks:
a) will refrain from all combat- and sabotage acts against
Germans,their allies,friendly domestic forces and Muslims;
b) will stand under German command in joint actions against the
communists;
c) will severe all connections with the countries in war with Germany
and will deliver all present liason staffs of those countries;
d) will co-operate in the joint propaganda against the communists;
3.All officers are to be informed of the following:
a) Up untill now the co-operation with the chetniks was forbidden
because of Draza Mihailovic´s unalterable insistance to fight the
Germans and their allies; up until now,he hasn´t apostized such a
stand;
b) Declaration of some chetnik commanders that they would fight the
Communism jointly with the German Wehrmacht complied with the
general evaluation of the enemy position in the South-east: USSRsponsored
communist bands are the biggest danger. That’s why the
offers made by chetniks had to be re-evaluated;
c) Newly loyal attitude of the some chetnik groups should not be taken
as a general attiude: sabotage and attacks are still perpetuated by the
chetnik bands;
d) The troops are still forbidden to negotiate with the chetniks.
Arbitrary acts can only jeopardise already initiated conntacts made by
the highest military and political posts. Such actions can only bring
serious disadvantages in the whole South-east;
e) Local chetnik commanders who offer co-operation,are to be taken to
the nearest SD or Abwehr post;
f) Propaganda against the chetniks is to cease; the results of the current
developents will decide if it is to be re-introduced.
sign. Frhr. von Weichs Generalfeldmarschall
Quote:
November 23rd,1943According to a trustworthy source,Mihailovic has
ordered his commanders to co-operate with the Germans. He himself
can not step forward in such a fashion because of the impact such
move could have on populace’s disposition.
KTB OKW b.6/II,p.1304
Quote:
December 17th,1943Lecture notices on
…the deployment of chetnik commander Djurisic,who fell into German
captivity in mid-May,and who should now organise his earlier
followers for the co-operation with Germany.
KTB OKW b.6/II,p.1366
Quote:
December 22nd,1943The Head of the POW section >”Chef des
Kriegsgefangenenwesens”< should make an inquiry about 1300 former
followers of the Montenegrin chetnik leader Djurisic(who should cooperate
with Germany in Montenegro) and report on their behaviour so
far,because their use for a special action is being considered.
KTB OKW b.6/II,p.1379
Extracts from a draft titled “Die Entwicklung im Südosten vom 1.April-31.Dezember
1944″ which was compiled in November 1944 using the documents of Wehrmacht
Führungstab and KTB; to be found in “KTB OKW”,p.632-732.
Quote:
As in fall of 1943 Tito´s movement grew stronger,supported by
Russian and English help and as Mihailovic movement was being
pushed into Serbia (and aditionaly weakend by non-existence of Italian
support) ,Mihailovic realised that the time has come to re-examine his
attitude to the Germans. As the German leadership in the same time
was striving to unite and activate all of the anti-communist forces in
the South-east (for which a Sp. envoy for South-east,Dr. Neubacher,has
been appointed in October 1943),the contacts were made and in the
next two months a series of cease-fire agreements was made between
German military posts and Mihailovic´s commanders. He refrained
from personal involvement,mostly because he didn´t want to lose the
Anglo-American arms shippments,which he still received,no matter
how smaller than before. Anyway the actions by Mihailovic´s
organisation against the Germans stopped.

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[aka_Koča]

pravda je spora, na nju se cakalo 6 decenija, ali dostizna....samo rileks



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[kiseli1]

This lead to a marked improvement of situation >”Entspannung”< in
the Old Serbia around the new year.
KTB OKW,b.7/I,p.637
Quote:
…Possibly under impression made by these German countermeasures,
Mihailovic-this time personaly-tried to make conntact with
German posts,at the end of March-beggining of April. According to the
information the Sp.envoy had,Mihailovic was faced with an ultimatum
by the exile-government and the Soviets,in which his subordination to
Tito was demanded.Sp. envoy was expecting that Mihailovic,faced
with unacceptable requests,would try to approach Nedic,i.e. the
occupation forces. In agreement with Sp.envoy Neubacher, OB Südost
showed no interest for a new round of negotiations,mostly because of
what was in the background: Uncertainty toward the Allies,recognition
of inferiority to Tito and the unsettled relation to the Nedic´s
government.
KTB OKW,b.7/I,p.640-641
Quote:
…So,the operation got bigger and more important for both sides;and a
new factor has arrisen,namely the involvement of Serbian
chetniks.They formed a strong battle group,allegedly under the
command of Mihailovic himself,and went into combat against the
“eastern group” of the Communist forces which were advancing from
Dreiländer-Ecke >Bosnia,Montenegro,Sandzak< to the north-west.
(Lagebuch 29.4.).
KTB OKW,b.7/I,p.651
Quote:
…The Führer approved of the plan,although it would cause new wave
of unrest and would make troubles to the German leadership in the
South-east, which was employing more and more Orthodox-chetnik
groups and had good experience with them.
KTB OKW,b.7/I,p.703
Quote:
During the month of May, the action of Djurisic in Montenegro which
had made a promising start,took a sharp turn;at the middle of the month
it had to be considered as a failure.According to the report made by the
representative of the Foreign ministry in Cetinje,and related by OB
Südost, several things stood in the way of succeseful usage of still
strong domestic forces (including the chetniks) against the
communists: absence of a definite goal,minimum of material support
and the most important: the lack of a clear military leadership;the
domestic groups were split in divisonal commandos,the
Feldkommandatur and the police.
KTB OKW,b.7/I,p.708
Quote:
During the defense against the incursion of the Red divisions in
March,April and May,Serbian units proved themselves well, notably
the Serbisches Freiwilligen Korps but also more or less illegal groups
of Chetniks,allegedly under the personal command of Mihailovic.
KTB OKW,b,7/I,p.706
Quote:
The Serbian Chetniks and Draza Mihailovic,who (along from Ustasha
and EDES) were the only serious anti-communist movement in the
South-east,were biding their time during the summer and were
occasionaly willing to negotiate. Tense situation existed in their
relations to Nedic government,whose power grew stronger (connected
to the strengthening of SFK).In order to make the recruitment
harder,they took reprisals against the inhabitants.OB South-east,in this
context hinted again at the Dr. Neubacher’s propostion on
strengthening the Nedic government. However,as the Allied offensive
was opened,as the Turkey changed sides,as Bulgaria changed it’s
attitude and as Tito’s forces appeared to be endangering the German
positions n the South-east,Mihailovic and Nedic started to approach
each other and to seek contacts with the Germans.This fact had a
thoroughgoing meaning. Up until now the German leadship thought
that in a moment when the occupation force gets into trouble,all the
uprising movements would join hands and call for a general
uprising.Now it showed that-quoted in the OB order dated 2nd of
August-“Draza Mihailovic,as well as leaders of all other bands believe
that (on the basis of a general situation) the invader is the Enemy nr.2;
Enemy nr.1 became Communism at home and abroad.”
On August 17th (OB message of August 20th) Nedic offered the
unification of all Serbian forces for the defense of communistendangered
Serbdom.He underlined that he was officialy speaking for
Mihailovic too,after the meeting they had.He asked for a immediate
shippment of 3 million small-arms rounds and a approval for creating
of a 50,000 strong Serbian army made mostly of Mihailovic’s units. OB
South-east,after consulting with Mil.Bef. Suedsot,quickly reached a
conclusion that a turning down this offer meant antagonising all of the
Serbs,new Tito’s succeses,cuting all the comunications (especially to
Greece) and to the stopping of economical exploitation.
KTB OKW,b,7/I,p.709
Quote:
During the visit to the FHQ on August 22nd,GFM v. Weichs pointed
out the fact that with further advance ot Tito and the awaited pull-out
of Bulgarian Occupation Corps,the situation in Serbia will grow
worse,and that the forces at hand won’t be up to it.Chetniks,who in the
period March-August lost 5,000 men fighting the communists are lately
not hostile towards the Germans….8-10,000 of them are curently
fighting the communists alongside the German forces in Southern
Serbia under German major Weyel.The Mihailovic-Nedic agreement
means unification of all Serbs and 90% support of the people…He
proposed the forming of three regiments from proven chetniks, 6,000
men in all,for which necessary weapons should be shipped and officers
sent to provide German leadership…
Quote:
…Fuehrer’s decission was relayed by teleprinter
>“Fernschriftlich“<:Only single,proven chetnik groups are to be placed
under German control and command for use in tacticaly small local
actions.
KTB OKW,b,7/I,p.710
Quote:
As Serbia quickly became eastern front of the OB Suedost,and as Titoforces
advanced from the west,the chetniks continued seeking
contections with the Germans;some even offered hostages. In the same
time,they were showing their dissapointment with small or non-existent
arms shippments…
Quote:
…At the end of September,resistance notwithstanding,chetniks were
pushed out of important parts of Serbia.Only those who stuck closely
with German forces held out. >“soweit sie sich nicht eng an die
deutsche Wehrmacht anlehnten“<
KTB OKW,b,7/I,p.711
Following lines are translated from “Das Ende auf dem Balkan” ie Operationen der
Heeresgruppe E von Griechenland bis zu den Alpen”,Kurt Vowinckel Verlag,Heidelberg
1955, by Erich Schmidt-Richberg >He was the Chieff of staff of HG “E” from 3/15/44<
Quote:
It is known that the German attitude towards the chetniks changed
several times.As Tito and the communists finaly gained the upper hand
in the Yugoslav Resistance,chetniks and Germans reached some kind
of neutrality arrangement. This arrangement was not strongly adherred
to by the chetniks;apart from that,it lead to troubles with the Croats.The
OB of HG “E” had to take a clear stand in regard to disputes between
various Yugoslav groups.The interests and mentality of the Croats
came in the first place,because the OB had to work with them in the
future. Directives on the troops had to be clear and simple. OB
reminded on their unreliability and has forbidden offical pacting with
the chetniks,as well as supporting them with arms and
ammunition.Envoys were to be sent to the OB. It was percieved that
only local arrangements with “Heimat-Cetniks” were
advantageous.These guidelines payed off.Ccourse of events from the
near past played a role in forming of the attitude of the OB. Not so long
time ago have chetniks attacked an SS column east of Sarajevo,causing
hundred deaths. The attitude of chetniks from Ibar valley (some of
them were present near Krusevac when Col. v.d. Chevallerie was
captured) and Novipazar was unclear. The night attack on a German
company-sized (altough of weak combat strength) column on the old
Turkish road Mitrovica-Novipazar was probably made by the chetniks.
However,it is not ruled out that the attcak was made by partisans who
were sppoted around Tutin,where they promptly retreated.
p.55-56
Quote:
The leader of the chetniks ,this nationalistic Serbian resistance
movement,Draza Mihailovic was in Vares. In his name general
Trifunovic demanded the right to use the Drina crossings at
Gorazde;he was turned down. Later,a large number of his men
gradualy made it across the river.Anticipated directive of OB came
>”Es sei noch vorweggenommen dass bald der Auftrag von OB
kam…”< ,which instructed the handing out of ammunition to the
chetniks. The V.SS Corps then pointed out that the chetniks ambushed
their column,causing 100 deaths.Apart from that,own units were low
on ammunition,so the handing out was hardly possible. It was basicaly
percieved that the co-operation with this group could hardly yield any
more advantages. Old distrust towards the chetniks,Croat enemy nr.1,
could not be overcome. This caused the OB to order that chetniks are
to be supported only localy.
p.83
Quote:
General Geiger,the commander of Doboj,had on his disposal two
battalions of the 7.SS divisio,one Flak battalion,local Railway Security
troops,detachments from passing-by troops,Domobran division,1000
rifles,still in organisation and another 1000 ustashas. Loose connection
was held with chetniks on the Ozren mountain and in Trebovac.They
were supported in a very modest way by supplying medical supplies
and rifle ammunition.
p.111
Quote:
December 14th,1942Serbia:
In the zone of the 704. inf. divison one unreliable chetnik group was
disarmed.
KTB OKW,b.4/II,p.1136
Quote:
December 17th,1942Croatia:
Eastern Bosnia: Unreliable chetnik group was disarmed.
KTB OKW,b.4/II,p.1150
Following extracts are from KTB OKW,band 7/I,p.732-756. Original document is named
“Kroatien (unter militärischen Gesichtspunkten) im Jahr 1944″, compiled from “Akten
of WFStab and “Merkbuch”:
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[kiseli1]

Quote:
Croatians repeated protests over the use of chetnik groups by the
Wehrmacht in Dalmatia. Führer responded they are only dissarmed
Hiwis or that the arangements are made only with small groups; There
are no chetnik commanders from Serbia proper in Dalmatia,and these
groups represent no threat to the Croatian state….>Meeting between
Hitler and “Croatian ministers” in FHQ on March 1st 1944<
KTB OKW,b.7/I,p.739
Quote:
…Mixing even of smallest groups of orthodox chetniks with Croatian
citizenship with the troops is not a practical idea,for various reasons.
Attachment of single loyal groups (term “Chetnik” is to be ommited) to
German units was proposed…>Message of OB Südost of April 25th
1944<
KTB OKW,b.7/I,p.743
Quote:
…On September 1st came a directive to both OB Südost and Deutscher
Bev. Gen. to proceed against fraternization with the chetniks and to
enforce earlier Führer’s orders on this matter.
KTB OKW,b.7/I,p.751
Extracts from the report Wilchelm Hoettl (after the war wrote the book “Geheime Front”
under the pseudonym Walther Haagel) of the SD sent to Edmund Glaise von Horstenau
in March 1945.Document is quoted in Vasa Kazimirovic,”Njemacki general u
Zagrebu”,Kragujevac-Beograd 1996.,p.309-310. Original is to be found in Kriegsarchiv
Wien,B-67,nr.101.
Quote:
“During the preparations for a certain operation in Serbia,liason
officer to the group which was to take part in this operation had a
conversation with Draza Mihailovic.Conversation went on in
especially friendly atmosphere. DM found out that the plan of the
group fits good in his own plans-fight against communism-so he
promised all the necessary help.
DM said that,appart from increased activity of his forces in Serb arrea,
he plans to reorganize his troops in western Bosnia and launch an
attack on Serbia in the right moment. He is of the opinion that this
move should be synchronised with the advance by German army in the
Balkans,in which case Old Serbia should be made his arrea of
operations……As for propaganda against the common enemy,he
purposed a settinng up of a secret radio-station,adding that Nedic’s
stations don’t have the desired impact on Serbian people…
…Having all this in mind,it can be said that DM’s intentions are
honest…
…DM’s idea of setting up a radio-station should be considered.He
purposed that the impression should be made,as though the station is
operating from within Serbia.Impact of such an arrangement should be
twofold: first,it should influence effectively the Serbian population
(unlike Nedic’s station) and it should create the feeling of unconfort
among Serbia’s current masters.”
Extract from the letter written by German soldier Erasmus von Jakimow (March 15th
1918,Skopin-November 17th 1944,at Albertfalu on Danube),dated October 31st 1944:
Quote:
“The Situation in the Balkans seems to be changing-for better or for
worse,who could tell?…The English seem to have dropped Dalmatia-
Montenegro,Chetniks have broken and fled >laufen
auseinander<,some to us,but most to Tito.It became clear :it’s White
against Red now.
Quoted from:Hans-Adolf Jacobsen,Hans Dollinger “Der zweite Weltkrieg in Bildern und
Dokumenten”,Wiesbaden,3.Band,p.189
Quote:
“Attempt of the 342. ID to advance in the territory held by the
uprisers,on both banks of upper Drina has failed.Losses were light
mostly because of Dangic’s orders on his men not to fight the German
troops…”
Ladislaus Hory und Martin Broszat,“Der Kroatische Ustascha-Staat 1941-
1945″,p.119,reference to “Bericht des deutschen Kriegsverwaltungschef SSGruppenfuehrer
Turner vom 16.2.1942 an Himmler;Pers.Stab RFSS,Inst f. Zeitgesch. MA
328,Bl. 651814 ff.
Quote:
“Bands operating in Eastern Bosnia also involve,apart from
Communists,chetnik bands of the former Col.Mihailovic and Major
Jezdimir Dangic…Dangic doesn’t want to fight the Wehrmacht and
according to the Bericht des Bevoellmaechtigten Komandierenden
Generals in Serbien written on 5th of February,this was proved on the
field…Major Dangic has made following proposals in the negotiations
in Belgrade:
He is willing to secure Eastern Bosnia with his chetniks under
following conditions:1.)that all Ustasha withdraw from this area;
2.)that the Germans army takes over the area ;
3.)that the Croatian administration apparatus be made of Serbs,Croats
and Muslims.
Based on the former,negotiations were conducted by Komandierenden
General in consultation with German ambassador in Zagreb and with
Croatian government.They failed because of the objections of the
Croatian government,which would not tolerate such reductions to the
state’s souverenity;Komandierende General who would not act without
their consent,broke off the talks.”
Ibidem,s.119-120.Reference to “Bericht des Chefs der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD an
Reichsfuehrer-SS am 17.Februar 1942″,PA/AA,Buero RAM:Kroatien 1941/1942,Bl.442-
449.
Quote:
“Whole border between Serbia and Bosnia on the Drina with Visegrad
is secured by German and Croatian troops.In the area east of
Sarajevo,even the Serbian refugees started to come back to their
homes.In the area of Ozren (north of Sarajevo),Croats achieved trough
the negotiations that 13 chetnik batallions,though week,placed
themselves in the service of the Croatian state >”in Verhandlungen
erreicht worden,dass…dem kroatischen Staat unterstellt” hätten.<
Ibidem,s.128.Reference to “Telegramme Kasches vom 15. und 30.5.42;PA/AA,Buero
Sts:Kroatien,Bd.3,Bl.89f. und 107.
“As Croat general Franjo Simic was killed on 9th of August 1943,apparently by
Chetniks…have the Croatian students published the following leaflet:”
Quote:
“The Chetniks,those perfidious snakes and criminals,have pacted in the
past with the Italians.Now they do it with the Germans…We ask from
the Germans to stop tolerating and supporting the Chetniks who are
their worst foes…Chetniks and Croats must not and will not have the
same allies…Death and revenge to the Chetniks!Long live the Croatian
state!
Ibidem,s.165-166.Reference to the “German translation of the leaflet by Embassy
secretary v.Schubert,presented to Ambassador Kasche on
12.8.1944;PA/AA,Gesandschaft Zagreb:Bd.67/4,Bl.56 ff.
“At the end of September 1944 German commander of Split arrested the Ustashi-leader
of the town in reprisal for Ustashi actions against the chetniks who were allied to the
Wehrmacht,threatening to
Quote:
“…shoot five Ustashis for every Chetnik.”
Ibidem,s.166.Reference to:“Telegramme des Stabchefs der Ustascha-Miliz,Oberst
Herencic,von Ende September 1944;PA/AA,Gesandschaft Zagreb:Bd.67/4,Bl.75f.

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Extract from the note by v. Weichs on Mihailovic:
Quote:
“Though he himself shrewdly refrained from giving his personal view
in public,no doubt to have a free hand for every eventuality (e.g. Allied
landing on the Balkans),he allowed his commanders to negotiate with
the Germans and to co-operate with them.And they did it,more and
more…”
Werner Roehr (zusammengestellt),“Europa unterm Hakenkreuz-Okkupation und
Kollaboration (1938-1945),1994,s.358;reference to “Johann Wuescht,”Jugoslawien und
das Dritte Reich.Eine dokumentierte Geschichte der deutsch-jugoslawischen
Beziehungen von 1933-1945″,1969,s.64
The following lines come from Klaus Schmider,”Partisanenkrieg in
Jugoslawien”,Hamburg;Berlin;Bonn 2002.
“The ten-day report of the Commanding General states even that the Chetniks
Quote:
“have proven themselves in co-operation with German Wehrmacht
better than the Croatian Army units.”
Schmider,p.134; BA/MA, RH 26-114/12 10-Tage Meldung fuer die Zeit vom 11.9.-
20.9.42 (20.9.1942)
“So,for instance in context of fighting around Prozor and defence of Konjic.At the end of
the operation came Lueters to the following conclusion:
Quote:
“The divisions that took part in “Weiss II” gave consistent reports
>”aeusserten sich uebereinstimmend”< on the good conduct of Chetnik
units.Trough scouting and relieving attacks they have helped our
troops,all that without asking for German support in any way.”
ibidem,p.232,footnote 179; BA/MA, RH 24-15/2 Bfh. d. dt. Tr. i. Kroat.,Ia-
Lagebeurteilung fuer die Zeit vom 1.3.-15.3.43 (16.3.43.)
Quote:
“In the future,ammunition will be handed out only to those Chetnik
units who under German command fight the Partisans.”
ibidem,p.187; BA/MA, RH 26-118/32 Befehl and die Cetnikfuehrer Cvijetin Todic,Golub
Mitrovic,Savo Derikonja,Radivoj Kosoric,Bozo Plemic und Dusan Kovacevic (12.1.43).
Quote:
“Partly,the Serbs have futhermore showed themselves as the most
reliable allies in fighting against the red bands,that is against
communism.They are always ready to fight against the bandits with the
German Wehrmacht and even to place themselves under it’s
command”
ibidem,p.307;BA/MA, RH 24-15/10 SS-Freiw.-Div. “Prinz Eugen” an Gen.Kdo.
XV.Geb.AK. (5.9.1943).
“In the few weeks that have passed since the division moved into this region formerly
occupied by the Italians,the Chetniks have made themselves indespensible at securing the
supply routes (especially the Knin-Drnis railroad). If Djuic would be arrested at this
moment ,said Egleser, it would mean the troops would have to
Quote:
“fight constantly for their own supplies.”
ibidem,p.308; BA/MA, RH 24-15/6 114.Jaegerdivision,Abt. Ic an Gen.Kdo. XV.Geb.AK
(4.10.43).
“So,it doesn’t surprise that the words
Quote:
“Armed support of the brave Chetniks”
were openly said at a “Chefbeschprechung” in Thesaloniki on 1st of March.”
ibidem,p.232; BA/MA ,RH 19 VII/7 Aktennotiz ueber die Chefbeschprechung am
1.3.1943 (1.3.1943).
Following lines were written by Edmund Glaise von Horstenau in his diary:
Quote:
“The units that could really be used against the partisans were the
Serbian and partly the Russian volunteers and-Draza Mihailovic’s
people.My liason officer with them was a certain
major,Ritterkreuztraeger.”
>written on situation in Serbia during his visit to Belgrade in June 1944.<
Peter Broucek,”Ein General in Zwielicht;Errinerungen Edmund Glaises von
Horstenau”,Wien-Koeln-Graz,1988; p.421
Quote:
“Using the general situation in which Mihailovic found himself,we
made local agreements with various chetnik groups.”
>written on situation in Croatia at the beginning of 1944.<
ibidem,p.352
Quote:
“In the meanwhile, single groups which are found to be suitable to be
our partners in the fighting against the partisans can be, from case to
case, supplied with ammunition. Written commitments on the part of
the Wehrmacht are, in every case, not to be made.”
Klaus Schmider,”Partisanenkrieg in Jugoslawien”,Hamburg;Berlin;Bonn 2002, p.492 ;
PA/AA, SbvollSO R 27303 Neubacher an Kramarz (21.3.1944)
Quote:
“Every support provided by the occupying power is to be canceled
until further notice, even to the DM chetniks who are fighting the
communism.”
ibidem, p.495; BA/MA, RW 40/88 Tagesmeldung vom 27.5.1944.
Quote:
“Until the clarification of the newly developed situation and it’s
possible impact, we will distance ourselves from the DM camp, with
the only exception of the joint fight against the red partisans, which
developed in the field.”
ibidem, p.497; PA/AA, SbvollSO R 27301 Neubacher an Junker (22.5.1944)
Quote:
“With offers made by D.M. movement, the handing-over of the enemy
spies (Englishmen) should be asked for. Those who wish to return with
their arms, should be helped on their way back home. DM-units should
be bound not to undertake any hostile activities against the German
Wehrmacht and it’s allies and to return German prisoners. They should
also pledge to fight the communists in certain areas, supervised by a

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[kiseli1]

Mil.Bhf.Suedost is to bring all of
the chetniks in Serbia and Montenegro to battle with the red forces and
keep them engaged, so that they can’t act on their own initiative. This
initiative, if allowed, could result in action against Germany, given the
general situation.”
ibidem,p.510; BA/MA, RH 19 XI/28 OB Suedost an Pz.AOK 2 (26.8.1944)
Quote:
“Gen.Lt. Winter has determined that is important to realise, that the
arms D.M. is asking for are not available.”
ibidem,p.517; BA/MA, RH 19 XI/18 Gruppe Ic/AO, Aktennotiz zur Beschprechung am
29.9.1944 (30.8.1944)
“As the Germans tired to have three of their V-maenner >three out of 70 chetniks the
NDH powers had arrested after the Otok massacre< freed, came to considerable tension
between the Germans and the Croats. Leader of the “Abwehrstelle” in Split
commented…:”
Quote:
“We cannot abandon the only allies (chetniks) we have in this cursed
country >Sauland< (Croatia).”
ibidem,p.373; PA/AA. Inland IIg 401, 2824 Kasche an Auswaertiges Amt (16.4.1944)
Quote:
“Chetniks are the only useful fellow combatants”
ibidem,p.378; BA/MA, RH 19 XI/15 Erfahrungsbericht ueber Dienstreise Serbien-
Kroatien in der Zeit vom 20.6-4.7.1944 (5.7.1944)
Quote:
“Chetniks (…) our natural allies. Only they are fighting! “Kroatische
Kampfgemeinschaft” exists only on paper.”
ibidem,p.378; BA/MA, RH 19 XI/29 OKW/WfSt, Gruppe Ic/Ao Vortragsnotiz fuer
Aussenchefbeschprechung am 25.7.1944 (23.7.1944)

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[aka_Koča]

Tvoj post:
to nije bila nikakva legalna komisija, cije odluke ili nalazi nekoga obavezuju ili se smatraju relevantnim.komisija je bila sastavljena od americkih srba, cetnickih simpatizera i po kojeg "pilota"

odgovor

 

[gost 41715]

Kiseli, ima li za sve ove podatke neki pouzdaniji izvor od ovog?

http://srpskaistorija.livejournal.com/

 

[aka_Koča]

tema je bila zakljucana ako se ne varam....

ova sjajna vest zasluzuje da bude ovde....

BOŽIDAR ZEČEVIĆ PRONAŠAO U MOSKVI JOŠ NEVIĐENE SNIMKE GENERALA MIHAILOVIĆA
STALJIN SNIMIO SUĐENJE DRAŽI

Na lični Staljinov zahtev, u Beograd je poslat jedan od najboljih snimatelja dokumentarista iz SSSR, Blaškov, da donese u Moskvu što više materijala sa procesa Draži Mihailoviću, jer je Staljin odluke često donosio na osnovu filmova a ne stvarnosti - objašnjava Božidar Zečević za „Novosti“. - Reč je o vrlo kvalitetnim snimcima čiji je mali deo prikazan u sovjetskom žurnalu, dok je veći sačuvan u arhivi, a ja sam uspeo da dođem do tog materijala i da ga identifikujem.
Ekskluzivni, nikada do sada viđeni snimci suđenja Draži Mihailoviću, prvi put će biti emitovani u igrano-dokumentarnoj seriji Božidara Zečevića, koju priprema u saradnji sa holivudskim producentom Rašom Draškovićem. Okosnicu serije „Suđenje stoleća - proces Draži Mihailoviću“ čine kadrovi iz sudnice, nedavno „iskopani“ iz moskovskih arhiva.
Prvi put će snimci suđenja biti „ozvučeni“. Pre više od šest decenija, Radio Beograd je emitovao delove, a kompletan zvučni zapis nikada nije pušten u etar. Veoma komplikovan proces spajanja sačuvanih slika sa zvukom, dovršen je uz pomoć nastavnika škole za gluvonemu decu.
Za ovaj projekat Zečević je okupio dvadesetak istoričara, uz isto toliko svedočenja još uvek živih učesnika događaja, čiji će iskazi baciti sasvim novo svetlo na priču o suđenju Mihailoviću.
- Nisam ni advokat, ni istoričar, već pravim sudsku dramu u kojoj jedinu i glavnu ulogu igraju nesporne činjenice - govori Zečević, koji je za materijalom za ovu priču tragao širom sveta. - SAD, Rusija i Engleska pokazale su se kao glavna izvorišta. Gotovo „detektivski“ došao sam i do prvih snimaka Draže nastalih tokom Drugog svetskog rata. U Stenfordu i Vašingtonu našao sam mnoge pisane dokumente, a Huverov institut pokazao se kao prava riznica materijala vezanih za ovaj slučaj.
Bogatstvo atraktivnih materijala krila je i lična arhiva američkog pukovnika Mekdauela, čoveka živopisnog karaktera koji je, kao jedan od najboljih obaveštajnih oficira OSS - preteče današnje CIA, tokom četiri ratne godine pomno pratio dešavanja u Jugoslaviji.
- Kada se, 1944. godine, saveznici potpuno okreću Titu, Mekdauel je došao kod Draže u želji da mu pomogne i promeni sliku saveznika prema pokretu otpora u Srbiji. Izvesni Šterker izložio je Mekdauelu ideju da se, bez znanja glavne komande u Berlinu, Nemci predaju saveznicima, a ne Rusima. Bili su spremni da predaju kompletno naoružanje, opremu, municiju, na šta je Mekdauel pristao - pod uslovom da se oficijelno predaju armiji SAD, ali u prisustvu generala Draže Mihailovića, kao komandanta savezničke vojske na ovom tlu. Čerčil je, međutim, insistirao da se Nemci predaju i vojsci SSSR - i rat je nastavljen još devet meseci. Mekdauel je povučen, a Čerčil je tražio da mu se sudi zbog prekoračenja ovlašćenja.
Božidar Zečević je dokumente o ponudi koja je mogla da preokrene tok Drugog svetskog rata otkrio tek nedavno, a u priči o procesu Mihailoviću, oni pobijaju glavnu od 47 tačaka optužnice, koja se odnosila na Dražinu saradnju sa Nemcima.
Do malog dela ovih podataka došao je dr Dragić Joksimović, Dražin branilac. Ničim kompromitovani prvak Demokratske stranke, saradnik Ljube Davidovića , poslanik u posleratnoj skupštini („trećem AVNOJ-u“) na listi Milana Grola, najpre je odbijao ulogu Mihailovićevog advokata, svestan da je ovaj unapred osuđen, ali je pristao pod pretnjom oduzimanja dozvole.
- Sinovac Dragića Joksimovića, Vojin Joksimović, takođe živopisna ličnost, doktor atomske fizike, istaknuti atomski inženjer u Vinči, bivši predsednik Kongresa srpskog jedinstva u SAD, potvrdio je saznanja da je Dragić ubijen u zatvoru; umro je od posledica napada angine pektoris koji je izazvan mučenjem - kaže Zečević - Pronašao sam i čoveka kojem je Dragić preminuo na rukama, i saznao da Joksimović dve godine nije mogao da izađe ni iz zatvorskog groba u Mitrovici: Tito je zabranio njegovoj supruzi da mu premesti zemne ostatke dok ne isteknu još dve godine do odsluženja kazne, a i tada je morala da ga pokopa u najvećoj tajnosti! Svedoci su potvrdili da je Dragić bio svestan kako će završiti, ali je uprkos tome dao odbranu koja je ušla u anale kao jedna od klasičnih odbrana slobode.

KONTRASUĐENJE 500 PILOTA

Serija će nam otkriti i mnoštvo senzacionalnih činjenica vezanih za paralelni proces koji je u SAD organizovalo pet stotina američkih pilota koje je Draža spasao tokom rata.
- Kontrasuđenje koje su u martu 1946. u Njujorku održali američki piloti, jer im nije bilo dopušteno da kao svedoci prisustvuju suđenju Draži u Beogradu, izazvalo je ogromnu pažnju američke javnosti - objašnjava Zečević. - Septembra 1944. došao je u Pranjane profesionalni američki snimatelj i za jedan dan snimio jedine ratne materijale o Mihailoviću.
Marina MIRKOVIĆ

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Dakle, to je deo filma, u trajanju od mislim 13 minuta. Tu se prvi put na filmu vidi Draža dok govori. Do sada smo gledali samo nemi film. I ovaj film pronađen u ruskim arhivima je nemi film, ali u arhivi Radio Beograda pronađen je tonski zapis. Onda je angažovan čitač govora sa usana i film i zvuk su spojeni...
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[Halix]

tema je bila zakljucana ako se ne varam....

ova sjajna vest zasluzuje da bude ovde....

BOŽIDAR ZEČEVIĆ PRONAŠAO U MOSKVI JOŠ NEVIĐENE SNIMKE GENERALA MIHAILOVIĆA
STALJIN SNIMIO SUĐENJE DRAŽI

Na lični Staljinov zahtev, u Beograd je poslat jedan od najboljih snimatelja dokumentarista iz SSSR, Blaškov, da donese u Moskvu što više materijala sa procesa Draži Mihailoviću, jer je Staljin odluke često donosio na osnovu filmova a ne stvarnosti - objašnjava Božidar Zečević za „Novosti“. - Reč je o vrlo kvalitetnim snimcima čiji je mali deo prikazan u sovjetskom žurnalu, dok je veći sačuvan u arhivi, a ja sam uspeo da dođem do tog materijala i da ga identifikujem.
Ekskluzivni, nikada do sada viđeni snimci suđenja Draži Mihailoviću, prvi put će biti emitovani u igrano-dokumentarnoj seriji Božidara Zečevića, koju priprema u saradnji sa holivudskim producentom Rašom Draškovićem. Okosnicu serije „Suđenje stoleća - proces Draži Mihailoviću“ čine kadrovi iz sudnice, nedavno „iskopani“ iz moskovskih arhiva.
Prvi put će snimci suđenja biti „ozvučeni“. Pre više od šest decenija, Radio Beograd je emitovao delove, a kompletan zvučni zapis nikada nije pušten u etar. Veoma komplikovan proces spajanja sačuvanih slika sa zvukom, dovršen je uz pomoć nastavnika škole za gluvonemu decu.
Za ovaj projekat Zečević je okupio dvadesetak istoričara, uz isto toliko svedočenja još uvek živih učesnika događaja, čiji će iskazi baciti sasvim novo svetlo na priču o suđenju Mihailoviću.
- Nisam ni advokat, ni istoričar, već pravim sudsku dramu u kojoj jedinu i glavnu ulogu igraju nesporne činjenice - govori Zečević, koji je za materijalom za ovu priču tragao širom sveta. - SAD, Rusija i Engleska pokazale su se kao glavna izvorišta. Gotovo „detektivski“ došao sam i do prvih snimaka Draže nastalih tokom Drugog svetskog rata. U Stenfordu i Vašingtonu našao sam mnoge pisane dokumente, a Huverov institut pokazao se kao prava riznica materijala vezanih za ovaj slučaj.
Bogatstvo atraktivnih materijala krila je i lična arhiva američkog pukovnika Mekdauela, čoveka živopisnog karaktera koji je, kao jedan od najboljih obaveštajnih oficira OSS - preteče današnje CIA, tokom četiri ratne godine pomno pratio dešavanja u Jugoslaviji.
- Kada se, 1944. godine, saveznici potpuno okreću Titu, Mekdauel je došao kod Draže u želji da mu pomogne i promeni sliku saveznika prema pokretu otpora u Srbiji. Izvesni Šterker izložio je Mekdauelu ideju da se, bez znanja glavne komande u Berlinu, Nemci predaju saveznicima, a ne Rusima. Bili su spremni da predaju kompletno naoružanje, opremu, municiju, na šta je Mekdauel pristao - pod uslovom da se oficijelno predaju armiji SAD, ali u prisustvu generala Draže Mihailovića, kao komandanta savezničke vojske na ovom tlu. Čerčil je, međutim, insistirao da se Nemci predaju i vojsci SSSR - i rat je nastavljen još devet meseci. Mekdauel je povučen, a Čerčil je tražio da mu se sudi zbog prekoračenja ovlašćenja.
Božidar Zečević je dokumente o ponudi koja je mogla da preokrene tok Drugog svetskog rata otkrio tek nedavno, a u priči o procesu Mihailoviću, oni pobijaju glavnu od 47 tačaka optužnice, koja se odnosila na Dražinu saradnju sa Nemcima.
Do malog dela ovih podataka došao je dr Dragić Joksimović, Dražin branilac. Ničim kompromitovani prvak Demokratske stranke, saradnik Ljube Davidovića , poslanik u posleratnoj skupštini („trećem AVNOJ-u“) na listi Milana Grola, najpre je odbijao ulogu Mihailovićevog advokata, svestan da je ovaj unapred osuđen, ali je pristao pod pretnjom oduzimanja dozvole.
- Sinovac Dragića Joksimovića, Vojin Joksimović, takođe živopisna ličnost, doktor atomske fizike, istaknuti atomski inženjer u Vinči, bivši predsednik Kongresa srpskog jedinstva u SAD, potvrdio je saznanja da je Dragić ubijen u zatvoru; umro je od posledica napada angine pektoris koji je izazvan mučenjem - kaže Zečević - Pronašao sam i čoveka kojem je Dragić preminuo na rukama, i saznao da Joksimović dve godine nije mogao da izađe ni iz zatvorskog groba u Mitrovici: Tito je zabranio njegovoj supruzi da mu premesti zemne ostatke dok ne isteknu još dve godine do odsluženja kazne, a i tada je morala da ga pokopa u najvećoj tajnosti! Svedoci su potvrdili da je Dragić bio svestan kako će završiti, ali je uprkos tome dao odbranu koja je ušla u anale kao jedna od klasičnih odbrana slobode.

KONTRASUĐENJE 500 PILOTA

Serija će nam otkriti i mnoštvo senzacionalnih činjenica vezanih za paralelni proces koji je u SAD organizovalo pet stotina američkih pilota koje je Draža spasao tokom rata.
- Kontrasuđenje koje su u martu 1946. u Njujorku održali američki piloti, jer im nije bilo dopušteno da kao svedoci prisustvuju suđenju Draži u Beogradu, izazvalo je ogromnu pažnju američke javnosti - objašnjava Zečević. - Septembra 1944. došao je u Pranjane profesionalni američki snimatelj i za jedan dan snimio jedine ratne materijale o Mihailoviću.
Marina MIRKOVIĆ

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Ovo je sajt producenta:
http://www.44blue.com/

Dakle, reč je o jednoj od najjačih američkih filmskih kuća za dokumentarce. Oni su, pored ostalog, odnivači Histori čenela...

Prema tome, biće to odrađeno kako treba, u svakom pogledu!
Ovo je daleko najbolji dokumentarni film o 2. svetskom ratu kod nas.

Dakle, to je deo filma, u trajanju od mislim 13 minuta. Tu se prvi put na filmu vidi Draža dok govori. Do sada smo gledali samo nemi film. I ovaj film pronađen u ruskim arhivima je nemi film, ali u arhivi Radio Beograda pronađen je tonski zapis. Onda je angažovan čitač govora sa usana i film i zvuk su spojeni...
Takođe, ovde se vidi dokumentarni film koji su Amerikanci snimili 9. septembra 1944. u Pranjanima. To je takođe nemi film, ali je odličan, vidi se Draža, mnogi oficiri i četnici, američka misija...
Koliko znam, ušlo se u poslednju fazu izrade filma!

Kako ste bre glupi pa to nije normalno...
Od kad je pokrenuta potraga za grob Mihailovica,na sve strane se nalaze nekakvi dokumenti,sve moj do mojega...
Pa zasto Staljin to nije pokazao 1948 kad je FNRJ usla u sukob sa SSSR,i onako je imao u planu da napadne Jugoslaviju...zasto kad je mogao tim `istinitim` snimkom da mnogo naudi tadasnjoj vlasti,ZASTO?

 

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tema je bila zakljucana ako se ne varam....

ova sjajna vest zasluzuje da bude ovde....

BOŽIDAR ZEČEVIĆ PRONAŠAO U MOSKVI JOŠ NEVIĐENE SNIMKE GENERALA MIHAILOVIĆA
STALJIN SNIMIO SUĐENJE DRAŽI

Na lični Staljinov zahtev, u Beograd je poslat jedan od najboljih snimatelja dokumentarista iz SSSR, Blaškov, da donese u Moskvu što više materijala sa procesa Draži Mihailoviću, jer je Staljin odluke često donosio na osnovu filmova a ne stvarnosti - objašnjava Božidar Zečević za „Novosti“. - Reč je o vrlo kvalitetnim snimcima čiji je mali deo prikazan u sovjetskom žurnalu, dok je veći sačuvan u arhivi, a ja sam uspeo da dođem do tog materijala i da ga identifikujem.
Ekskluzivni, nikada do sada viđeni snimci suđenja Draži Mihailoviću, prvi put će biti emitovani u igrano-dokumentarnoj seriji Božidara Zečevića, koju priprema u saradnji sa holivudskim producentom Rašom Draškovićem. Okosnicu serije „Suđenje stoleća - proces Draži Mihailoviću“ čine kadrovi iz sudnice, nedavno „iskopani“ iz moskovskih arhiva.
Prvi put će snimci suđenja biti „ozvučeni“. Pre više od šest decenija, Radio Beograd je emitovao delove, a kompletan zvučni zapis nikada nije pušten u etar. Veoma komplikovan proces spajanja sačuvanih slika sa zvukom, dovršen je uz pomoć nastavnika škole za gluvonemu decu.
Za ovaj projekat Zečević je okupio dvadesetak istoričara, uz isto toliko svedočenja još uvek živih učesnika događaja, čiji će iskazi baciti sasvim novo svetlo na priču o suđenju Mihailoviću.
- Nisam ni advokat, ni istoričar, već pravim sudsku dramu u kojoj jedinu i glavnu ulogu igraju nesporne činjenice - govori Zečević, koji je za materijalom za ovu priču tragao širom sveta. - SAD, Rusija i Engleska pokazale su se kao glavna izvorišta. Gotovo „detektivski“ došao sam i do prvih snimaka Draže nastalih tokom Drugog svetskog rata. U Stenfordu i Vašingtonu našao sam mnoge pisane dokumente, a Huverov institut pokazao se kao prava riznica materijala vezanih za ovaj slučaj.
Bogatstvo atraktivnih materijala krila je i lična arhiva američkog pukovnika Mekdauela, čoveka živopisnog karaktera koji je, kao jedan od najboljih obaveštajnih oficira OSS - preteče današnje CIA, tokom četiri ratne godine pomno pratio dešavanja u Jugoslaviji.
- Kada se, 1944. godine, saveznici potpuno okreću Titu, Mekdauel je došao kod Draže u želji da mu pomogne i promeni sliku saveznika prema pokretu otpora u Srbiji. Izvesni Šterker izložio je Mekdauelu ideju da se, bez znanja glavne komande u Berlinu, Nemci predaju saveznicima, a ne Rusima. Bili su spremni da predaju kompletno naoružanje, opremu, municiju, na šta je Mekdauel pristao - pod uslovom da se oficijelno predaju armiji SAD, ali u prisustvu generala Draže Mihailovića, kao komandanta savezničke vojske na ovom tlu. Čerčil je, međutim, insistirao da se Nemci predaju i vojsci SSSR - i rat je nastavljen još devet meseci. Mekdauel je povučen, a Čerčil je tražio da mu se sudi zbog prekoračenja ovlašćenja.
Božidar Zečević je dokumente o ponudi koja je mogla da preokrene tok Drugog svetskog rata otkrio tek nedavno, a u priči o procesu Mihailoviću, oni pobijaju glavnu od 47 tačaka optužnice, koja se odnosila na Dražinu saradnju sa Nemcima.
Do malog dela ovih podataka došao je dr Dragić Joksimović, Dražin branilac. Ničim kompromitovani prvak Demokratske stranke, saradnik Ljube Davidovića , poslanik u posleratnoj skupštini („trećem AVNOJ-u“) na listi Milana Grola, najpre je odbijao ulogu Mihailovićevog advokata, svestan da je ovaj unapred osuđen, ali je pristao pod pretnjom oduzimanja dozvole.
- Sinovac Dragića Joksimovića, Vojin Joksimović, takođe živopisna ličnost, doktor atomske fizike, istaknuti atomski inženjer u Vinči, bivši predsednik Kongresa srpskog jedinstva u SAD, potvrdio je saznanja da je Dragić ubijen u zatvoru; umro je od posledica napada angine pektoris koji je izazvan mučenjem - kaže Zečević - Pronašao sam i čoveka kojem je Dragić preminuo na rukama, i saznao da Joksimović dve godine nije mogao da izađe ni iz zatvorskog groba u Mitrovici: Tito je zabranio njegovoj supruzi da mu premesti zemne ostatke dok ne isteknu još dve godine do odsluženja kazne, a i tada je morala da ga pokopa u najvećoj tajnosti! Svedoci su potvrdili da je Dragić bio svestan kako će završiti, ali je uprkos tome dao odbranu koja je ušla u anale kao jedna od klasičnih odbrana slobode.

KONTRASUĐENJE 500 PILOTA

Serija će nam otkriti i mnoštvo senzacionalnih činjenica vezanih za paralelni proces koji je u SAD organizovalo pet stotina američkih pilota koje je Draža spasao tokom rata.
- Kontrasuđenje koje su u martu 1946. u Njujorku održali američki piloti, jer im nije bilo dopušteno da kao svedoci prisustvuju suđenju Draži u Beogradu, izazvalo je ogromnu pažnju američke javnosti - objašnjava Zečević. - Septembra 1944. došao je u Pranjane profesionalni američki snimatelj i za jedan dan snimio jedine ratne materijale o Mihailoviću.
Marina MIRKOVIĆ

__________________________________________________________________________

EKSKLUZIVNO!

PO PRVI PUT:


DOKUMENTARNI FILM SASUĐENjA DRAŽI MIHAILOVIĆU koji su snimili Rusi za vreme suđenja, biće prikazan na Vidovdanskoj
proslavi SNO!
DOGAĐAJ KOJI NE SME DA SE PROPUSTI!
nedelja, 28. jun
Nova Gračanica

Ovo je sajt producenta:
http://www.44blue.com/

Dakle, reč je o jednoj od najjačih američkih filmskih kuća za dokumentarce. Oni su, pored ostalog, odnivači Histori čenela...

Prema tome, biće to odrađeno kako treba, u svakom pogledu!
Ovo je daleko najbolji dokumentarni film o 2. svetskom ratu kod nas.

Dakle, to je deo filma, u trajanju od mislim 13 minuta. Tu se prvi put na filmu vidi Draža dok govori. Do sada smo gledali samo nemi film. I ovaj film pronađen u ruskim arhivima je nemi film, ali u arhivi Radio Beograda pronađen je tonski zapis. Onda je angažovan čitač govora sa usana i film i zvuk su spojeni...
Takođe, ovde se vidi dokumentarni film koji su Amerikanci snimili 9. septembra 1944. u Pranjanima. To je takođe nemi film, ali je odličan, vidi se Draža, mnogi oficiri i četnici, američka misija...
Koliko znam, ušlo se u poslednju fazu izrade filma!

Druga tema je zatvorena, ali jos nije kasno ni za ovu, dok god ti i Kiseli mozete da je pretvorite u licni obracun.

Kako se zove taj dokumentarac koji je u zavrsnoj fazi produkcije?

Sto se tice 44Blue, mislim da bi bilo krajnje neumesno da se tako skakljivom temom bavi 44Blue.

Mislim...

Rasha Drachkovitch, President

Stephanie Drachkovitch, Executive Producer

Bilo da se radi o pukoj propagandi ili verodostojnom dokumentarcu, bio bi red da bar ne bude toliko ocigledno da je tako neposredno umesan bilo ko s ovih prostora, ako ocekuju da ih bilo ko ozbiljno shvati.

Ovako automatski daju oruzje svakom antisrpski nastrojenom kriticaru da ih proziva za pristrasnost.

A jos ako su ovi ,,Drachkovitchi" ustvari Draskovici, onda je cela stvar jos veselija.

 

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Druga tema je zatvorena, ali jos nije kasno ni za ovu, dok god ti i Kiseli mozete da je pretvorite u licni obracun.

Kako se zove taj dokumentarac koji je u zavrsnoj fazi produkcije?

Sto se tice 44Blue, mislim da bi bilo krajnje neumesno da se tako skakljivom temom bavi 44Blue.

Mislim...

Rasha Drachkovitch, President

Stephanie Drachkovitch, Executive Producer

Bilo da se radi o pukoj propagandi ili verodostojnom dokumentarcu, bio bi red da bar ne bude toliko ocigledno da je tako neposredno umesan bilo ko s ovih prostora, ako ocekuju da ih bilo ko ozbiljno shvati.

Ovako automatski daju oruzje svakom antisrpski nastrojenom kriticaru da ih proziva za pristrasnost.

A jos ako su ovi ,,Drachkovitchi" ustvari Draskovici, onda je cela stvar jos veselija.

Za sad toliko, to su poslednje informacije...nasi ljudi koji ucestvuju u projektu za sad, osim najave, nemaju ovlascenja da mnogo govore...

uglavnom dokumentarac ce biti bas to sto sam napisao, najbolji o II sv.ratu na ovim prostorima. Nije rec o nikakvoj propagandi vec otkrivanju decenijama skrivane istine.

 

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Za sad toliko, to su poslednje informacije...nasi ljudi koji ucestvuju u projektu za sad, osim najave, nemaju ovlascenja da mnogo govore...

uglavnom dokumentarac ce biti bas to sto sam napisao, najbolji o II sv.ratu na ovim prostorima. Nije rec o nikakvoj propagandi vec otkrivanju decenijama skrivane istine.

Evo, ja bas poslao email 44Blue-u da se raspitam o dokumentarcu.

Javicu, ako mi nesto odgovore.

 

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Odlicno, nadam se da ce odgovoriti

 

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Odlicno, nadam se da ce odgovoriti

Upravo mi je odgovorio:

Trenutno je u toku produkcija osmodelne televizijske serije o suđenju Draži Mihajloviċu… Poslednje dve godine smo snimali i nameravamo da objavimo film u Srbiji krajem jeseni 2009 …

Posle toga, film ċe biti dostupan na dvd-u …

Hvala na interesovanju…

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We are currently producing an 8-part television series on the trial of Draza
Mihailovich ... We have been filming for the past 2 years and plan to
release the film in Serbia in the late Fall, 2009 ...

After that, the film will be available on dvd ...

Thank you for inquiring ...

Sincerely,

Rasha Drachkovitch
Executive Producer, 44 Blue Productions

Eto, sad bar znamo kad ce premijera.

 

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