Бугарска историја

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Zatvorena za pisanje odgovora.
mongolski-tatarski Kanovi bugarske

Защо си с това име на бугарския комита Сандански, бре македонче? z:lol:
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Mongol invasion of Europe
The Mongol invasion of Europe in the 13th century involved the destruction of East Slavic principalities, such as Kiev and Vladimir, the invasion of the Kingdom of Hungary (in the Battle of Mohi) and fragmentation of Poland (in the Battle of Legnica). The operations were masterminded by General Subutai and commanded by Batu Khan and Kadan, both grandsons of Genghis Khan. As a result of the successful invasions, many of the conquered territories would become part of the Golden Horde empire...

Later campaigns
Against Bulgaria (1241, 1242, 1271, 1274, 1280 and 1285)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe

България:

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"Йоан Александър, в Христа Бога верен цар и самодръжец всем блъгаром и гръком;
Теодора, в Христа Бога вернаа и новопросвещеннаа [тоест "новопокръстена"] царица и самодръжица всем блъгаром и гръком;
Йоан Шишман цар, син великаго царя Иоана Александра;
Йоан Асен цар, син царев"


http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_39627_fs001r

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Тоя Халиков някой македонец ли е, та си търси идентитетот?
Защото при нас такъв българин няма. :tajna:

Превод :
Тај Халиков је неки Македонац,па тражи идентет?
Зато што код нас такав Бугарин нема.

Ханче правила форума су да се пише српски или енглески ,јбг.Поред бугарског мораш да напишеш и енглески или српски барем на google translate

Карта коју си поставио је рађена на основу нестора кијевског јел?
Која од ваших 66 хипотеза је у питању?
 
:klap::klap:

Тоя Халиков някой македонец ли е, та си търси идентитетот?
Защото при нас такъв българин няма. :tajna:

I ovaj je Makedonac a..

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Cemu negiranje kada svuda pisete i ponosite se da ste Tursko-Tatarsko-Hunsko pleme koje je prihvatilo Slovensku zabuku i jezik.

To niko ne krije samo vi na forumima.
 
Б'лгарки за месец јуни 2008 фокус агенција

Eu19 (Balto- Slavenski ) 12%
Eu7 (Dinarsko- Vedoarijski) 4%
Eu18 (Zapadni- Prakeltski) 17%
HG2 (Altajsko-Anatolski ) 42%
HG9 (Avarski-Mongoloidni) 8 %
HG21 (Afro-- Hamitski ) 17%

Altaic-Anatolian type HG2 in Europe dominates in Serbs, Bulgars and
further it continues in Turkey , Turkestan in Central Asia.
 
Бре Војводо једва си дочекао ,пусти га нека каже,густирај мало мајку му.

Ma kakva vojvoda...
Prosto je neverovatno da imaju spomenike Mongolskim Hanovima,da pisu da su Turkso-Tatarsko pleme,
Titule su im bile HANOVI...
Jezik na kome su pisali dok ih nismo opismenili su na tursko-tatarskom ili su koristili grcki na plocama.
Pisu i istrazuju uporno da nisu Sloveni.

I onda dodju na neki forum i zale se kako mi lazemo,kako je to propaganda,kako ocemo da ih ocrnimo?! o.0
 
"Йоан Александър, в Христа Бога верен цар и самодръжец всем блъгаром и гръком;

Више пута је апсолвиран тај шурак Душана Силног, и као девето немањићко колено, и као "самодръжец на целото Трново".

...речима „наш нови Цариград" (односно Трново) и име Манојла Комнина заменио са „Александар, најблагороднији -и најмилостивији, поштавалац монаха и заштитник сиротиње, велики цар Бугара". 9

http://books.google.rs/books?id=f1r...sr&sa=X&ei=S7DhUKXbMqeN4gS5tYDwDg&redir_esc=y
Син му је био Страцимир, а не овај из фамилије Шишмиша.Треба га раликовати од бугарског кнеза Александра I Батенберга (1879 — 1886)

Грчки шурак Михајло Шишман,захваљујући савезу са Ромејима 1324.г. држи само Айтос, Анхиало, Ктения, Русокастро и Месемврия (Несебър), опет све око оног Загорја (што су добили науштрб сопствене конвертије од Цариграда) и око она два места што држе 1690.- престоницу Трнов и варошицу Русе.
1328.г. Блари,Татари и слични, у име савеза са Ромејима помажу у рушењу Дринопоља и "Диамбола"(Българската войска, подкрепена от татарски наемници от Златната орда, се отправя към Одрин и Димотика..Следвайки го, Андроник III преминава границата, превзема и разрушава крепостта Диамбол.)


Йоан Шишман цар, син великаго царя Иоана Александра;

Шишман није син Душановог шурака ,али јесте владао целим Трновом.( морао је у знак покорности да у харем султана Мурата I пошаље своју сестру Керу Тамару.)
 
Ma kakva vojvoda...
Prosto je neverovatno da imaju spomenike Mongolskim Hanovima,da pisu da su Turkso-Tatarsko pleme,
Titule su im bile HANOVI...
Jezik na kome su pisali dok ih nismo opismenili su na tursko-tatarskom ili su koristili grcki na plocama.
Pisu i istrazuju uporno da nisu Sloveni.

I onda dodju na neki forum i zale se kako mi lazemo,kako je to propaganda,kako ocemo da ih ocrnimo?! o.0


Малку повеќе самоконтрола не е на одмет:)
Ниси на селски пазар па кад уђеш сви мора да знају да си стигао. Пусти га нека каже шта хоће, какви су да су „гости су“.Мерак ми да их слушам.;)

Среќна нова годинаz:dm4:
 
Jezik na kome su pisali dok ih nismo opismenili su na tursko-tatarskom ili su koristili grcki na plocama.
Pisu i istrazuju uporno da nisu Sloveni.

I onda dodju na neki forum i zale se kako mi lazemo,kako je to propaganda,kako ocemo da ih ocrnimo?! o.0

Македонци су Бугари описменили?
Ово је вероватно македонска бајка за децу.
:hahaha::hahaha:

Clement and his following came down the Danube, longing to reach that country that seemed to them the Promised

1. Vita S. Clementis, pp. 1220-1.

2. Zhitiya Sv. Naum, ed. Lavrov, pp. 4-5.

3. Ibid., p. 5.

Land of the true orthodox faith. In time they came to Belgrade, the great frontier fortress, where the governor, the Tarkan Boris, [1] welcomed them gladly and sent them on to the Court at Pliska. The Khan’s welcome was even warmer than the tarkan’s; Boris was delighted to see experienced and distinguished Slavonic missionaries, who would make him less dependent on Greek clergy: while the Imperial Government, pursuing its altruistic policy, could make no objection. The Court nobility followed its master’s lead; the officers of state hastened to offer hospitality to the holy visitors. Ekhatch, the sampses, entertained Clement and Nahum, while Angelarius lodged with a certain Tcheslav. [2]...

Thus it was as the prelude of a vast new policy that Clement was dispatched. In pursuit of it, Boris altered the government of Macedonia. Hitherto it was one province, known as the ‘Colony’ [1]; Boris detached from it the districts farthest to the south-west (where the nationalist propaganda and the missionary work would be most useful), known as Kutmitchevitza and Devol, [2] and, recalling the local Bulgar governor, [3] sent to administer it a lay official called Dometa [4] — probably a Slav;—at the same time he sent Clement with Dometa, to act as spiritual adviser, and apparently as Dometa’s superior. [5] Clement was given three residences in the Devol district and houses at Ochrida and at Glavenitza. [6] Clement set to work in earnest in his civilizing mission; and Boris had the satisfaction of seeing his scheme well started on its first important phase.

A year or two later, Boris showed his hand more openly. Nicephorus I, during the transportations that he had made to bolster up the Greek or Anatolian element in Macedonia, had moved, amongst others, many citizens from Tiberiupolis in Bithynia; and they brought with them to their new Tiberiupolis, a town near the present Strumitsa, some sixty miles north of Thessalonica, [1] many of their holiest relics, those of Saint Germanus and other saints martyred by Julian the Apostate. Now Tiberiupolis was part of the Khan’s dominions. About this time miracles were reported; visions of Saint Germanus and his followers were seen in the streets of Tiberiupolis, and their bones performed wonders. Boris came to hear of it, and at once ordered the local governor, the Bulgar ‘Count’ Taridin, to build a church for the relics in the diocese of Bregalnitsa and to move them to this new home. Probably the church was to adorn the town of Bregalnitsa itself, a growing Slavonic village that was the seat of a Bulgarian bishopric. The citizens of Tiberiupolis were furious at being robbed of possessions so revered and so useful; they rioted and would not let them go. Taridin had to use all his industry and tact to prevent the outbreak spreading. At last a compromise was agreed upon. Saint Germanus was allowed to remain in peace at Tiberiupolis; three only of his saintly comrades were taken—Timothy, Comasius, and Eusebius. Their relics were conveyed with honour to Bregalnitsa, performing miracles as they journeyed. There they were received into the new church, and clergy were appointed for them to hold the liturgy in the Slavonic tongue. [2] The new Christianity was creeping over Bulgaria.



Boris was well pleased. He had seen his country through the vastest revolution in its history; he had inherited it as a great power, he had made it a great civilized power. He could vie now on equal terms with the Frankish monarchs, even with the Emperor himself. And his country’s Church was his to control; he had made the world realize that. The versatile bargaining and the dogged persistence





1. See above, p. 55. Tiberiupolis is located by Zlatarski (Istoriya, i., 2, p. 236).



2. Theophylact, Archbishop of Bulgaria, Historia Martyrii XV Martyrum, pp. 201-8.





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had triumphed in the end. And now his schemes were leaping higher, and still successfully. Soon Bulgaria would have one national Church, to bind it together and to enhance the glory of the Khan. Boris could rest now. His conversion had been sincere; it was from genuine piety even more than from policy that he had built so many churches and monasteries, and the purity and austerity of his life had long been admired throughout the Christian world. Now, ill and weary, he decided to retire from the world, to give himself up utterly to a life of devotion. In 889 he abdicated in favour of his eldest son, Vladimir, and entered into a monastery, probably into Nahum’s great foundation, the monastery of Saint Panteleimon by Preslav. [1] All Christendom was edified by this renunciation; men told of good King Boris in Germany and Italy. [2]



But Boris had done more than convert his country; he had shaped its destinies for ever. Since the days of Krum Bulgaria had faced two fronts. Was she to expand on the West on the middle Danube, where German culture came filtering through and where there was no lasting power to oppose her, only the ephemeral principalities of the Slavs? Or was she to remain in the Balkans, looking to the East and battling against the eternal walls of New Rome? Omortag had leaned on the West, and Boris, toying with the Roman Church, had almost made himself a Central European potentate. But in the end he chose the Christianity of Byzantium, the Christianity best suited to his country. And by so doing he anchored Bulgaria for ever in the Balkans.

A history of the First Bulgarian Empire

Steven Runciman

http://www.promacedonia.org/en/sr/sr_2_3.htm
 
Ja bih rekao da kod nekih Bugara, posebno onih nacionalisticki opredeljenih, postoji jedna jako velika konfuzija, vezana za poreklo njihovih predaka. Po njima su im recimo Madjari stari rodjaci, kao i Volski Tatari (dve razlicite grupe naroda), a svoj narod smatraju potomcima istocnoiranskih plemena (treca grupa naroda). Naravno da su stari nomadi bili izmesani i da je tu bili svega i svacega, ali odredjeni bugarski istoricari su iz sve te mesavine uspeli "precizno" izvuci da su Bugari sa Pamira, da su bliski Tatarima i Madjarima, dok sa turkijskim nomadima nemaju nista, iako su Tatari turkofon narod.

Zasto bi inace ikog bilo briga, jesu li im preci ili makar deo njih, bili jedan od turkijskih naroda? Najblizi madjarski srodnici, koji zive u Sibiru i danas imaju kose oci, pa ne vidim da se Madjari mnogo potresaju zbog toga, niti da ih drmaju kompleksi.
 
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Више пута је апсолвиран тај шурак Душана Силног, и као девето немањићко колено, и као "самодръжец на целото Трново".

...речима „наш нови Цариград" (односно Трново) и име Манојла Комнина заменио са „Александар, најблагороднији -и најмилостивији, поштавалац монаха и заштитник сиротиње, велики цар Бугара". 9

http://books.google.rs/books?id=f1r...sr&sa=X&ei=S7DhUKXbMqeN4gS5tYDwDg&redir_esc=y
Син му је био Страцимир, а не овај из фамилије Шишмиша.Треба га раликовати од бугарског кнеза Александра I Батенберга (1879 — 1886)

Грчки шурак Михајло Шишман,захваљујући савезу са Ромејима 1324.г. држи само Айтос, Анхиало, Ктения, Русокастро и Месемврия (Несебър), опет све око оног Загорја (што су добили науштрб сопствене конвертије од Цариграда) и око она два места што држе 1690.- престоницу Трнов и варошицу Русе.
1328.г. Блари,Татари и слични, у име савеза са Ромејима помажу у рушењу Дринопоља и "Диамбола"(Българската войска, подкрепена от татарски наемници от Златната орда, се отправя към Одрин и Димотика..Следвайки го, Андроник III преминава границата, превзема и разрушава крепостта Диамбол.)




Шишман није син Душановог шурака ,али јесте владао целим Трновом.( морао је у знак покорности да у харем султана Мурата I пошаље своју сестру Керу Тамару.)

Стефан Душан? z;)

Баба (по оцу):
Ана Тертер Бугарска

Прадеда:
Ђорђе I Тертер, цар Бугарске



Прабаба:
Кира Марија Асен Бугарска


Деда (по мајци):
Смилец, цар Бугарске


Мајка:
Теодора Смилец Бугарска

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Ja bih rekao da kod nekih Bugara, posebno onih nacionalisticki opredeljenih, postoji jedna jako velika konfuzija, vezana za poreklo njihovih predaka. Po njima su im recimo Madjari stari rodjaci, kao i Volski Tatari (dve razlicite grupe naroda), a svoj narod smatraju potomcima istocnoiranskih plemena (treca grupa naroda). Naravno da su stari nomadi bili izmesani i da je tu bili svega i svacega, ali odredjeni bugarski istoricari su iz sve te mesavine uspeli "precizno" izvuci da su Bugari sa Pamira, da su bliski Tatarima i Madjarima, dok sa turkijskim nomadima nemaju nista, iako su Tatari turkofon narod.

Zasto bi inace ikog bilo briga, jesu li im preci ili makar deo njih, bili jedan od turkijskih naroda? Najblizi madjarski srodnici, koji zive u Sibiru i danas imaju kose oci, pa ne vidim da se Madjari mnogo potresaju zbog toga, niti da ih drmaju kompleksi.

I have drawn a distinction between the words Bulgar and Bulgarian. The former I use to mean the race of Hunnish invaders that formed the nucleus of Bulgaria, the latter the nation composed by the amalgamation of the Bulgars and the Slavs.
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A history of the First Bulgarian Empire
Steven Runciman

Sir James Cochran Stevenson Runciman CH (7 July 1903 – 1 November 2000) — known as Steven Runciman — was a British historian known for his work on the Middle Ages.
 
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A history of the First Bulgarian Empire
Steven Runciman

Sir James Cochran Stevenson Runciman CH (7 July 1903 – 1 November 2000) — known as Steven Runciman — was a British historian known for his work on the Middle Ages.

But I was talking about Bulgars, not Bulgarians and how some bulgarian historians with apsolute certainty conclude, that old Bulgars were of iranic and not turkic stock, but at the same time they claim connection with Volga Tatars and Chuvashes, both turkic-speaking people (of course, with heavily finnic admixture). All Eurasian nomads were mix of various tribes and many of those tribes were of different origins. For example, original Huns were turkic, but hunnish horde that invaded Roman Empire, was a confederation of many different peoples (Germanics, probably some proto-Slavs, Iranic nomads).
 
Стефан Душан? z;)Баба (по оцу):Ана Тертер
Прадеда:Ђорђе I Тертер,
z:hm:
Душанов отац је прворођени, Кханче Ханче, први син деда Милутина, зато је и наследио престо :deda:
Душанова баба по оцу је свакако Јелена, само је питање - прва Јелена или друга Јелена
-Јелена из Србије, прва жена
-Јелена Дука, ћерка Јована I управитеља Тесалије , друга жена


У Србији је, енергични и немирни краљ Милутин мењао савезништва, а уз њих и жене. Након година проведених у освајањима на југу у Византији, Милутин је 1299. године закључио мир са царем Андроником II. Променивши савезништво, отпустио је тадашњу (четврту) супругу, Куманку Ану Тертер ...

Тог Георга Тертеробу куманског , кога помињеш, држао га је у рукама моћни Ногај, а имао је титулу деспота до 1279 ..Bis 1279 war er Despot von Tscherwen....Титулу деспота је добио преко брачног кревета Кира Марије.На трновски престо се "попео" својим куманским ногицама кад је Тихомир Немањић (Асен) звани Тих, умро.

Map 2.1 Bulgaria's borders during the First Kingdom, 681-1018., 12
A Concise History of Bulgaria, 2005
R. J. Crampton
Баш су убедљиве ове штрафте.
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Map 2.2 Bulgaria's borders during the First Kingdom
A History of Bulgaria, 925
Translated by Ј. J.Srebton

Godine 814.g umire Karlo Veliki. Na mapi Evrope Karlovog doba, taj Krumov haganat iz 813. (kojim se toliko diče) ustvari je ova crvena mrlja na krajnjem istoku, blizu delte Dunava u Crno more. To je sve od Prvog blgarskog carstva.
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Б'лгарки за месец јуни 2008 фокус агенција

Eu19 (Balto- Slavenski ) 12%
Eu7 (Dinarsko- Vedoarijski) 4%
Eu18 (Zapadni- Prakeltski) 17%
HG2 (Altajsko-Anatolski ) 42%
HG9 (Avarski-Mongoloidni) 8 %
HG21 (Afro-- Hamitski ) 17%

Altaic-Anatolian type HG2 in Europe dominates in Serbs, Bulgars and
further it continues in Turkey , Turkestan in Central Asia.

Balto - Slavenski type
Бугарка је Мисс Русије 2012 Антонија Петрова

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Altajsko-Anatolski type
Николета Лозанова

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И шта сад? :think:
 
A. A. Vasiliev (1867–1953) was considered the foremost authority on Byzantine history and culture in the mid-20th century. His History of the Byzantine Empire (vol. 1-2, 1928) remains one of a few comprehensive accounts of the entire Byzantine history, on the par with those authored by Edward Gibbon and Fyodor Uspensky.
In 1925, during his visit to Paris, Vasiliev was persuaded by Michael Rostovtzeff to emigrate to the West. It was Rostovtzeff who ensured a position at the University of Wisconsin–Madison for him. Several decades later, Vasiliev moved to work in Dumbarton Oaks. Towards the end of his life, he was elected President of the Nikodim Kondakov Institute in Prague and of the Association Internationale des Études Byzantines.



Leo VI, aware of the fact that he was unable to offer adequateresistance to Simeon because the Byzantine army was engaged in the Arabiancampaigns, appealed for help to the wild Magyars. The latter agreed to make a suddeninvasion of Bulgaria from the north in order to divert Simeon’s attention from theByzantine borders.This was a very significant moment in the history of Europe. For the first time, atthe end of the ninth century, a new people, the Magyars (Hungarians, Ugrians;Byzantine sources frequently call them Turks, and western sources sometimes refer tothem as Avars),[42] became involved in the international relations of European states,or, as C. Grot put it, this was “the first appearance of the Magyars on the arena of European wars as an ally of one of the most civilized nations.”[43] Simeon was defeatedby the Magyars in several early battles, but he showed much skill in handling thedifficult situation, by trying to gain time in negotiations with the Byzantine Empire,during which he succeeded in winning over the Patzinaks. With their aid he defeatedthe Magyars and forced them to move north to the place of their future state in thevalley of the Middle Danube. After this victory Simeon turned his attention to theByzantine Empire. A decisive victory over the Greek troops brought him to the verywalls of Constantinople. The defeated Emperor succeeded in negotiating a peace treatyaccording to which he bound himself to refrain from any hostile action against the Bulgarians and to send rich gifts to Simeon every year...
In the time of Simeon Bulgarian territory expanded enormously. It extendedfrom the shores of the Black Sea to the Adriatic coast, and from the lower Danube tocentral Thrace and Macedonia, as far as Thessalonica. For these achievements, Simeon’sname is significant for the first attempt to replace Greek domination in the Balkanpeninsula by Slavonic supremacy.Simeon was succeeded by the meek Peter, who by his marriage became related tothe Byzantine Emperor. The peace treaty that was signed by the Empire recognized hisroyal title, as well as the Bulgarian patriarchate established by Simeon. This peacelasted for some forty years. After the long succession of brilliant Bulgar victories, theterms of this peace, very satisfactory to Byzantium, “scarcely disguised the fact thatactually Bulgaria had collapsed.”[52] This treaty represented a real success of wise andenergetic policy on the part of Romanus Lecapenus. “Great Bulgaria” of Simeon’s timewas torn asunder by internal strife under Peter. In connection with the collapse of thepolitical might of Bulgaria, the Magyars and the Patzinaks invaded Thrace in 934 andpenetrated as far as Constantinople. In 943 they reappeared in Thrace. RomanusLecapenus concluded with them a five years’ peace, which was renewed after his falland lasted throughout the reign of Constantine Porphyrogenitus.[53] Later, in thesecond half of the tenth century, the Magyars invaded the Balkan peninsula severaltimes. The decline of Bulgaria’s strength was very advantageous for the ByzantineEmpire. Nicephorus Phocas and John Tzimisces continued to struggle persistently withthe Bulgarians, and were aided by the Russian Prince Sviatoslav at the invitation of Nicephorus Phocas. When the success of Russian arms in Bulgaria brought Sviatoslav tothe very borders of the Empire, however, the Emperor became greatly disturbed, andwith reason, because the Russian troops later advanced so far on Byzantine territorythat an early Russian chronicler reports that Sviatoslav “had almost reached the wallsof Tzargrad (Constantinople).”[54] John Tzimisces directed his forces against theRussians under the pretext of defending Bulgaria from the onslaught of the newconquerors. He defeated Sviatoslav, conquered all of Eastern Bulgaria, and captured theentire Bulgarian dynasty. The annexation of eastern Bulgaria was thus definitelycompleted in the time of John Tzimisces.After his death the Bulgarians took advantage of the internal complications inthe Empire and rebelled against Byzantine domination. The outstanding leader of this

period was Samuel, the energetic ruler of western independent Bulgaria, and probablythe founder of a new dynasty, “one of the most prominent rulers of the First BulgarianEmpire.”[55] For a long time the struggle of Basil II with Samuel went against theByzantine Empire, chiefly because its forces were engaged in eastern wars. Samuelconquered many new districts and proclaimed himself king of Bulgaria. Only at thebeginning of the eleventh century did fortune begin to smile upon Basil. So cruel washis fight with the Bulgarians that he was given the name of Bulgaroctonus (“Slayer of the Bulgarians”). When Samuel beheld 14,000 Bulgarians blinded by Basil II and sentback to their homeland, he died of shock received from this horrible sight. After hisdeath in 1014, Bulgaria was too weak to resist the Greeks, and was soon conquered bythe Byzantine Empire. In 1018 the first Bulgarian kingdom ceased to exist, for it wastransformed into a Byzantine province ruled by an imperial governor. It preserved itsinternal autonomy to a certain extent, however.The Bulgarian rebellion, which broke out against the Empire in about the middleof the eleventh century under the leadership of Peter Delyan, was suppressed andresulted in the nullification of Bulgarian autonomy. During the period of Byzantinedomination the districts populated by Bulgarians gradually were penetrated byHellenic culture. The Bulgarian people, however, maintained their nationality, whichreached particular strength when the Second Bulgarian Kingdom was formed in thetwelfth century.According to an Austrian historian, “the downfall of the Bulgarian Kingdom in1018 belongs among the most important and decisive events of the eleventh century,and of the Middle Ages in general. The Roman (Byzantine) Empire was again raised upand extended from the Adriatic to the Black Sea, from the Danube to the southernextremity of the Peloponnesus.”

History of the Byzantine empire
A.A. Vasiliev

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3748730/A-A-Vasiliev-History-of-the-Byzantine-empire

http://gumilevica.kulichki.net/VAA/vaa161.htm#vaa161para03
 
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Модеран бугарски:
Моето царство дава тази повеля на дубровнишката страна, на обичните и верни гости на царството ми, да ходят по цялата страна на царството ми с каквато и да било стока, да внасят или изнасят, или каквато и да е стока да пренасят, и до която и да е земя или област да дойдат: до Бдин ли или Браничево и Белград дойдат, или ходят до Търново и цялото Загоре, или достигнат до Преслав и Карвунската област, или до Крънската област, или Боруйската, или Одрин и в Димотика, или в Скопската област, или в Прилепската, или в Деволската област, или в Арбанската земя [Албания], или отиват в Солун - навсякъде да си купуват и продават свободно, без всякаква щета, да нямат запрещение по всички области на царството ми и купуват и продават без грижа като всеверни и обични гости на царството ми. Който ли пък им напакости в каквото и да било на клисурите, на тържищата, или гдето да бъде против закона за търговията, то да се знае, че той е противник на царството ми и милост не ще има, но голям гняв ще изтърпи от царството ми.

Имам два питања братко
1. Да ли бугарски владар Асен поседује све територије у наведеној повељи?
2.Који је овај Белград источно од Бдина у Браничевској области?

Алба Булгарија где је ? Да није овај Белград у њој?Имам на карти Порфирогенита „Негро Булгариа“


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Имам два питања братко
1. Да ли бугарски владар Асен поседује све територије у наведеној повељи?

Да.

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Модеран бугарски:
В лето 6738 [1230], индикт 3, аз, Иван Асен, в Христа Бога верен цар и самодържец на българите, син на стария цар Асен, издигнах из основа и с живопис украсих докрай пречестната тази църква в името на светите 40 мъченици, с помощта на които в дванадесетата година от царуването си, в която година се изписваше този храм, излязох на война в Романия [Тракия] и разбих гръцката войска, а самия цар кир Теодор Комнин взех в плен с всичките му боляри. И цялата му земя от Одрин и до Драч превзех, гръцка още и арбанашка [албанска] и сръбска; а пък градовете, които се намират около Цариград, и самия този град владееха фръзите [латинците], но и те се покоряваха под ръката [скиптъра] на моето царство, понеже нямаха друг цар освен мене и благодарение на мене прекарваха дните си [съществуваха], тъй като Бог така заповяда, понеже без Него нито дело, нито слово не се извършва. Нему слава вовеки, амин.

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2.Који је овај Белград источно од Бдина у Браничевској области?

Алба Булгарија где је ? Да није овај Белград у њој?Имам на карти Порфирогенита „Негро Булгариа“


Негро Булгариа (црни бугари) = Volška Bugarska=Povolške Bugarske... Мапа није тачна, североисточно је


Алба Булгарика=Белград=Београд

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Колико ја видим пише Бдин одатле у Белград који је у Браничевској области ,никако не може да буде Сингидунум!Не врве.
то би требало да буде овде негде:


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Још нешто како се та карта из 13 века укпала :


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Браничево и Белград где су?

Једна земља а два Господара бити не може.z;)
 
827. Бугари преузимају власт над тврђавом

878. Први писани помен имена словенског имена Београд у писму бугарском кнезу Борису Михаилу

;)

Поновни помен града, и то под словенским именом БЕОГРАД (Бели град - вероватно по зидинама од белог кречњака), срећемо тек у IX веку, тачније 16. априла 878. године, у једном писму папе Јована VIII бугарском кнезу Борису-Михаилу, о смењивању београдског хришћанског епископа Сергија. Касније се тај назив среће у различитим варијантама: ALBA GRAECA, GRIECHISCH WEISSENBURG, NANDOR ALBA, NANDOR FEJERVAR, CASTELBIANCO, ALBA BULGARICA.

http://www.beograd.rs/cms/view.php?id=1241
 
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827. Бугари преузимају власт над тврђавом

878. Први писани помен имена словенског имена Београд у писму бугарском кнезу Борису Михаилу

;)

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Коју тврђаву братко Сингидунум или Белград? Баш ми је драго што је Бугарка мис Русије добри су ти Crampton и Steven Runciman али то није одговор на питање!
А знаете копи-пасте-конверт система...сепак прашањето стои, а на одговор и јас си се надевам.:per:

Можда господа Златарски или Дринов или неко од нових има одговор ?
 
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