Vampiri

Обрати се власницима Крстарице да више не дозвољавају коришчење енглеског на овом форуму.
Ne znam da li je dozvoljeno, možda i jeste ako se radi o jednom članku, kao taj tvoj na primer.
Ipak, evo sada si napisao komentar na srpskom, mislim da ne bi bilo ok da si i ovaj komentar nastavio na engleskom.
To je moje mišljenje, po nekoj logici, ograđujem se od tvrdnje šta je po pravilima a šta nije, samo zar ne vidiš da ljudi jedva srpski jezik znaju, čemu objave na engleskom, nemačkom (da, neki ovde međusobno pišu i na nemačkom), a što se tiče vlasnika Krstarice, imam lično iskustvo i sa tabom i sa Ivanom, a tebe zanima, pitao sam u vezi tehnike nešto, administrator mi je napisao poduže objašnjenje, ali ja nisam razumeo, razumem svakodnevni engleski, ne znam stručne izraze, uglavnom, vlasnik mi je čovek preveo članak na srpski iako nisam ni insistirao.

U svakom slučaju bolje piši na srpskom, ili ptrevedi sam, nije Ivan dužan da prevodi, ni tab. Ni niko.
 
Post je potrebno prevesti i na zvanični jezik naše zemlje, hvala na razumevanju.
На форуму је дозвољен и енглески поред српског језика, мада би требало део који се тиче расправе превести ради бољег разумевања.
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На форуму је дозвољен и енглески поред српског језика,
U smislu da je potpuno svejedno da li neko piše na srpskom ili engleskom? Ti to ozbiljno?

Engleski jezik, koliko ja znam, više odavno nije zvanično svetski. Meni lično jeste problem, to mi je 4.-ti jezik i naprežem se, pretpostavljam kao i većina ljudi koji su došli ovde da se opuste, nasmeju a ne naprežu. Zašto bih npr ja dolazio više uopšte onda ovde kad imam 10000000 sajtova, foruma, grupa i sto čuda gde su ljudi iz celog sveta pa je negde oficijelni engleski, mada je i to danas relativno, engleski, španski i nemački. Nije ovo škola za strane jezike. Ko hoće, ima gde. Ne slažem se.
мада би требало део који се тиче расправе превести ради бољег разумевања.
https://www.krstarica.com/info/pravilnik/
Šta je zabranjeno?
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U smislu da je potpuno svejedno da li neko piše na srpskom ili engleskom? Ti to ozbiljno?
Engleski jezik, koliko ja znam, više odavno nije zvanično svetski. Meni lično jeste problem, to mi je 4.-ti jezik i naprežem se, pretpostavljam kao i većina ljudi koji su došli ovde da se opuste, nasmeju a ne naprežu. Zašto bih npr ja dolazio više uopšte onda ovde kad imam 10000000 sajtova, foruma, grupa i sto čuda gde su ljudi iz celog sveta pa je negde oficijelni engleski, mada je i to danas relativno, engleski, španski i nemački. Nije ovo škola za strane jezike. Ko hoće, ima gde. Ne slažem se.
Не него су таква правила на форуму, пре свега јер је један добар део литературе који се користи на енглеском.
 
Не него су таква правила на форуму, пре свега јер је један добар део литературе који се користи на енглеском.
Misliš, odnosi se na ovaj pdf kad kažeš "forum" ili na celu Krstaricu?
Mada ne vidim razlog ni da se čak samo za pojedine podforume piše na engleskom. Danas je bar prevođenje uz pomoć svega što koristimo postalo smešno, ako je teško postavljaču teme ili ko već piše na engleskom da uradi copy- paste sa engleskog na srpski, što bih ja i bilo ko drugi ko čita to radio?

Uostalom, ne mogu da se prepirem više, a po pravilima spamujem temu.
Ali mislim da pitanje oko ovoga treba da se podnese kad budete bili vi moderatori na sledećem internom sastanku ili kako se već zove.
Bilo bi lepo od tebe da se setiš toga, a ja te sad pozdravljam.
 
U smislu da je potpuno svejedno da li neko piše na srpskom ili engleskom? Ti to ozbiljno?

Engleski jezik, koliko ja znam, više odavno nije zvanično svetski. Meni lično jeste problem, to mi je 4.-ti jezik i naprežem se, pretpostavljam kao i većina ljudi koji su došli ovde da se opuste, nasmeju a ne naprežu. Zašto bih npr ja dolazio više uopšte onda ovde kad imam 10000000 sajtova, foruma, grupa i sto čuda gde su ljudi iz celog sveta pa je negde oficijelni engleski, mada je i to danas relativno, engleski, španski i nemački. Nije ovo škola za strane jezike. Ko hoće, ima gde. Ne slažem se.
А мени је српски четврти језик. Уместо да захтеваш да се овде пише на српском буди поносан што на овом форуму добијаш прилику да разговараш са међународним посетиоцима.
 
Коришћењем кинеског Deepseek хтео сам да покажем да је вера у вампиризам општи светски феномен. Никако није само балканска појава.

Горе смо видели да у Великој Британији људи су веровали да мртви могу да се врате и чине зло живима, укључујући пиће крви. Питао сам Deepseek да ли је таква вера постојала и у Индији и Кини.

Was there a belief in vampirism in India or China?

Deepseek:

Okay, so I need to figure out if there were beliefs in vampirism in India or China. Let me start by recalling what I know about vampires in general. Vampires are typically undead beings that drink blood, right? They’re prominent in European folklore, like Dracula from Transylvania. But the question is about India and China.



First, India. I remember that Indian mythology has a lot of supernatural creatures. Maybe there's something similar to a vampire. Let me think... There are Rakshasas, which are demonic beings. They are known to be malevolent, maybe they consume human flesh or blood? Also, I think there's a female vampire-like creature called a Churel or Churail. They are vengeful spirits of women who died during pregnancy or childbirth. They might suck blood or life force. Then there's the Vetala from Hindu mythology, which are spirits that inhabit corpses. They don’t exactly drink blood but are associated with graveyards and can possess bodies. So maybe these could be considered vampire-like.



Now, China. Chinese folklore has various ghosts and spirits. Jiangshi come to mind. They’re reanimated corpses that hop around, and they drain the life force or qi from people. They’re often called "hopping vampires" in Western terms. I think they’re more like zombies, but they do absorb energy rather than blood. Maybe there are other beings? The Nian is a mythical beast, but it's more like a monster that comes during the New Year. Then there are fox spirits, but they’re more shape-shifters than vampires. So the Jiangshi might be the closest to a vampire concept in China, even if they’re a bit different from the European vampire.



Wait, but are there other entities? Maybe in regional folklore? For example, in southern China or among certain ethnic groups? I'm not sure. Also, in terms of blood-drinking, are there any deities or demons that specifically consume blood? Maybe some demons in Buddhist or Taoist traditions? I'm not certain. The Jiangshi primarily drain qi, but maybe in some stories they also drink blood. I should check that.



In India, besides the Churel and Vetala, there's also the Brahmarakshasa, a type of Brahmin ghost that is vengeful but I don't know if they drink blood. The Pishachas are flesh-eating demons, so maybe similar to vampires in some aspects. So maybe India has several beings that are vampire-like in different ways.



I need to make sure I'm not conflating different types of spirits. For example, the Vetala is more about possessing corpses and causing trouble, but not necessarily blood-drinking. The Churel is about revenge and attacking men, maybe draining their life force. So not exactly blood, but similar in the life-draining aspect.



In China, the Jiangshi is definitely a reanimated corpse, controlled by Taoist priests, and they hop because rigor mortis sets in. They’re associated with stealing qi, which is the life energy, rather than blood. But in some modern depictions, maybe influenced by Western vampires, they might have some blood-drinking traits. So the traditional Jiangshi might not be blood-drinkers, but there could be overlap in the concept of draining life force.



Another angle: historical records or literature. Are there any ancient texts or stories from India or China that mention creatures similar to vampires? For India, the Vetala is featured in stories like the Vetala Panchavimshati, which are part of Indian literature. These stories involve a Vetala possessing a corpse and challenging a king with riddles. So that's a literary source. For China, the Jiangshi legends became more prominent during the Qing dynasty, especially in 18th and 19th century folklore. So they might not be as ancient as European vampire myths but still part of traditional beliefs.



Also, in terms of burial practices or rituals to prevent vampirism. In Europe, people used to bury suspected vampires with stakes through the heart or stones in their mouths. Are there similar practices in India or China? In China, the Jiangshi are sometimes said to be created when a person's soul doesn't leave the body properly, so Taoist rituals would be performed to prevent this. Maybe using talismans on the corpse. In India, certain rituals during cremation or burial might be aimed at preventing spirits from becoming malevolent, like the Churel, by tying the toes together or placing seeds in the coffin to keep the spirit occupied.



So, putting this all together: both India and China have folklore entities that share some traits with vampires, even if they don't perfectly align with the European vampire. India has Churel, Vetala, Pishachas, which are malevolent spirits or corpse-inhabiting beings that might drain life force or blood. China has Jiangshi, which are reanimated corpses that drain qi. So the belief in vampiric entities exists, but they are shaped by local cultural and religious contexts, differing from the Western vampire.

Beliefs in vampiric entities exist in both Indian and Chinese folklore, though they differ significantly from the European vampire archetype. Here's a structured overview:

India

  1. Churel/Churail:
    • A vengeful female spirit, often of women who died during pregnancy or childbirth. They are said to haunt their families, draining life force or blood, particularly targeting men.
    • Preventative rituals include tying the toes of the deceased or placing seeds in the coffin to distract the spirit.
  2. Vetala:
    • Spiritually animated corpses from Hindu mythology, associated with graveyards. They possess corpses, cause mischief, and challenge humans with riddles (as seen in the Vetala Panchavimshati tales). While not blood-drinkers, their corpse-inhabiting nature aligns them with vampiric themes.
  3. Pishachas:
    • Malevolent, flesh-eating demons in Hindu and Buddhist texts. They haunt cremation grounds and are linked to disease and madness, sharing some traits with vampiric entities.

China

  1. Jiangshi ("Hopping Vampire"):
    • Reanimated corpses from Qing dynasty folklore, animated by unsettled qi (life force). They drain victims' qi rather than blood, hopping due to rigor mortis. Taoist rituals, like talismans, prevent their creation.
    • Modern portrayals sometimes blend Jiangshi with Western vampire traits, though traditionally they focus on energy absorption.
  2. Other Entities:
    • While fox spirits (huli jing) and the Nian monster exist, they differ from vampires. Jiangshi remain the primary vampiric analogue in Chinese lore.

Cultural Context

  • Burial Practices: Both cultures developed rituals to prevent malevolent spirits. In India, cremation rites aim to liberate the soul, while in China, Taoist practices secure peaceful passage of the soul.
  • Literary Sources: Indian texts like the Kathasaritsagara feature Vetala stories, whereas Jiangshi tales emerged later, reflecting societal anxieties during the Qing dynasty.

Conclusion

India and China harbor rich traditions of vampiric entities shaped by local beliefs. These beings—such as the Churel and Jiangshi—embody culturally specific fears but share thematic parallels with European vampires, such as life-draining abilities and corpse-related horror. Their distinctions highlight the diversity of global folklore.





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Danas vampire uglavnom vežemo uz Rumunjsku, tj uz grofa Vlada Tepeša zvanom i Drac. To je bio nevjerovatni sadist koji je osobno mučio i ubija zarobljenika. Poznata je njegova navada objedovanje uz razbacane leševe uokolo, na zemlji, nabodene na kolcima, rasjecene u dijelovima i sl. Ali ipak nije mi baš najkasnije jeli on glasio za vampira u dalekoj prošlosti ili je to sve krenulo od 1897 i objavljivanja romana Brama Stockera.

Iako se danas vampirizam najviše veže uz Rumunjsku, Srbija je itekako tu povijesno važna. Prvi slučaj vampirizma za kojega možemo reći da nije sigurno narodna tlapnja potječe iz 1725 s područja današnje Srbije. Riječ je o seljaka Petru Blagojevicu koji je umro te 1725- e. Ubrzo je selo snašla strašna nesreca, misteriozne smrti, sakacenje stoke i sl. Uz to se mrtvi Petar ukazivao živim ljudima, zbog toga seljaci su za nekoliko mjeseci uz prisustvo državnih službenika za danjeg svjetla otvorili Petrov grob. Dočekao ih je šokantni prizor, Petrovo tijelo je bilo posve očuvano, obrazi rumeni.a bilo he i dosta krvi po njegovom tijelu. Seljaci su mu zabili goglovkolac u srce. Danas znanost tvrdi da ima objašnjenje za taj fenomen ali nisu svi uvjereni. Nakon otvaranja groba u selu su se prestalr događati strašne nesreće.

Sam naziv vampir je slavenskog porijekla, i Rumunjska je zapravo bila djelomično slavenska zemlja. Sakupljači narodnih predaja kao i pisci fantastičnih romana raširili su ovaj pojam izvan južnoslavenskih zemalja i Rumunjske.
Ne veruj za Tepesa,nije bio manijak,satanizuju ga jer je turcima dosao glave..Ja mislim da su vampiri postojali/postoje,ne bi narod svirao kur.. dzaba.
 
Баш сам прошле недеље читао о српским вампирима.

Ту би имало сасвим довољно елемената да се направи неки добар хорор филм.

И прича о Павлу Арнауту и о Петру Благојевићу могу да направе лепо уметничко дело у форми дугометражног играног филма.

Сад су популарне серије, може и серија.
Тешко да ће икада бити бољег (страшнијег) од давно снимљене "Лептирице"! После њега избегавам сваки хорор.
 
Коришћењем кинеског Deepseek хтео сам да покажем да је вера у вампиризам општи светски феномен. Никако није само балканска појава.

Горе смо видели да у Великој Британији људи су веровали да мртви могу да се врате и чине зло живима, укључујући пиће крви. Питао сам Deepseek да ли је таква вера постојала и у Индији и Кини.

Was there a belief in vampirism in India or China?

Deepseek:

Okay, so I need to figure out if there were beliefs in vampirism in India or China. Let me start by recalling what I know about vampires in general. Vampires are typically undead beings that drink blood, right? They’re prominent in European folklore, like Dracula from Transylvania. But the question is about India and China.



First, India. I remember that Indian mythology has a lot of supernatural creatures. Maybe there's something similar to a vampire. Let me think... There are Rakshasas, which are demonic beings. They are known to be malevolent, maybe they consume human flesh or blood? Also, I think there's a female vampire-like creature called a Churel or Churail. They are vengeful spirits of women who died during pregnancy or childbirth. They might suck blood or life force. Then there's the Vetala from Hindu mythology, which are spirits that inhabit corpses. They don’t exactly drink blood but are associated with graveyards and can possess bodies. So maybe these could be considered vampire-like.



Now, China. Chinese folklore has various ghosts and spirits. Jiangshi come to mind. They’re reanimated corpses that hop around, and they drain the life force or qi from people. They’re often called "hopping vampires" in Western terms. I think they’re more like zombies, but they do absorb energy rather than blood. Maybe there are other beings? The Nian is a mythical beast, but it's more like a monster that comes during the New Year. Then there are fox spirits, but they’re more shape-shifters than vampires. So the Jiangshi might be the closest to a vampire concept in China, even if they’re a bit different from the European vampire.



Wait, but are there other entities? Maybe in regional folklore? For example, in southern China or among certain ethnic groups? I'm not sure. Also, in terms of blood-drinking, are there any deities or demons that specifically consume blood? Maybe some demons in Buddhist or Taoist traditions? I'm not certain. The Jiangshi primarily drain qi, but maybe in some stories they also drink blood. I should check that.



In India, besides the Churel and Vetala, there's also the Brahmarakshasa, a type of Brahmin ghost that is vengeful but I don't know if they drink blood. The Pishachas are flesh-eating demons, so maybe similar to vampires in some aspects. So maybe India has several beings that are vampire-like in different ways.



I need to make sure I'm not conflating different types of spirits. For example, the Vetala is more about possessing corpses and causing trouble, but not necessarily blood-drinking. The Churel is about revenge and attacking men, maybe draining their life force. So not exactly blood, but similar in the life-draining aspect.



In China, the Jiangshi is definitely a reanimated corpse, controlled by Taoist priests, and they hop because rigor mortis sets in. They’re associated with stealing qi, which is the life energy, rather than blood. But in some modern depictions, maybe influenced by Western vampires, they might have some blood-drinking traits. So the traditional Jiangshi might not be blood-drinkers, but there could be overlap in the concept of draining life force.



Another angle: historical records or literature. Are there any ancient texts or stories from India or China that mention creatures similar to vampires? For India, the Vetala is featured in stories like the Vetala Panchavimshati, which are part of Indian literature. These stories involve a Vetala possessing a corpse and challenging a king with riddles. So that's a literary source. For China, the Jiangshi legends became more prominent during the Qing dynasty, especially in 18th and 19th century folklore. So they might not be as ancient as European vampire myths but still part of traditional beliefs.



Also, in terms of burial practices or rituals to prevent vampirism. In Europe, people used to bury suspected vampires with stakes through the heart or stones in their mouths. Are there similar practices in India or China? In China, the Jiangshi are sometimes said to be created when a person's soul doesn't leave the body properly, so Taoist rituals would be performed to prevent this. Maybe using talismans on the corpse. In India, certain rituals during cremation or burial might be aimed at preventing spirits from becoming malevolent, like the Churel, by tying the toes together or placing seeds in the coffin to keep the spirit occupied.



So, putting this all together: both India and China have folklore entities that share some traits with vampires, even if they don't perfectly align with the European vampire. India has Churel, Vetala, Pishachas, which are malevolent spirits or corpse-inhabiting beings that might drain life force or blood. China has Jiangshi, which are reanimated corpses that drain qi. So the belief in vampiric entities exists, but they are shaped by local cultural and religious contexts, differing from the Western vampire.

Beliefs in vampiric entities exist in both Indian and Chinese folklore, though they differ significantly from the European vampire archetype. Here's a structured overview:

India

  1. Churel/Churail:
    • A vengeful female spirit, often of women who died during pregnancy or childbirth. They are said to haunt their families, draining life force or blood, particularly targeting men.
    • Preventative rituals include tying the toes of the deceased or placing seeds in the coffin to distract the spirit.
  2. Vetala:
    • Spiritually animated corpses from Hindu mythology, associated with graveyards. They possess corpses, cause mischief, and challenge humans with riddles (as seen in the Vetala Panchavimshati tales). While not blood-drinkers, their corpse-inhabiting nature aligns them with vampiric themes.
  3. Pishachas:
    • Malevolent, flesh-eating demons in Hindu and Buddhist texts. They haunt cremation grounds and are linked to disease and madness, sharing some traits with vampiric entities.

China

  1. Jiangshi ("Hopping Vampire"):
    • Reanimated corpses from Qing dynasty folklore, animated by unsettled qi (life force). They drain victims' qi rather than blood, hopping due to rigor mortis. Taoist rituals, like talismans, prevent their creation.
    • Modern portrayals sometimes blend Jiangshi with Western vampire traits, though traditionally they focus on energy absorption.
  2. Other Entities:
    • While fox spirits (huli jing) and the Nian monster exist, they differ from vampires. Jiangshi remain the primary vampiric analogue in Chinese lore.

Cultural Context

  • Burial Practices: Both cultures developed rituals to prevent malevolent spirits. In India, cremation rites aim to liberate the soul, while in China, Taoist practices secure peaceful passage of the soul.
  • Literary Sources: Indian texts like the Kathasaritsagara feature Vetala stories, whereas Jiangshi tales emerged later, reflecting societal anxieties during the Qing dynasty.

Conclusion

India and China harbor rich traditions of vampiric entities shaped by local beliefs. These beings—such as the Churel and Jiangshi—embody culturally specific fears but share thematic parallels with European vampires, such as life-draining abilities and corpse-related horror. Their distinctions highlight the diversity of global folklore.





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Ма сад их има свагдје, Боливуд снима филмове на Старој Планини, међутим вампир, лампир, лепир (како гдје) је српски бренд и једина интернационална српска ријеч.
 
не верујем баш у те приче али отац једне моје комшике у селу се вампирио
на дан сахране касно увече се појавило велико црно куче и лајало на капији
од следеће ноћи почињу њихове муке према речима њене мајке
одвезивао је стоку из штале и пуштао напоље
померао ствари по кући и дворишту(најчешће судове остављао на прагу улазних врата али се дешавало да запрежна кола ујутру буду на суседној ливади де према њој није било класичне ограде већ од бодљикаве жице са )
шљивама које је у дворишту засадио неку годину раније ломио је гране
и много тога које ја сада не могу да се сетим
били су код неког човека у суседном селу који им је рекао да закољу кућног петла и његовом крвљу нацртају по три крста на свим штоковима врата и прозора у кући с унутрашње стране
повремено је било ситних "јављања на даље а после 40ог помена све је престало
Да, четрдесет дана се обележава на много места у свету, независно од религије, а изгледа да постоје и нека истраживања да онда више нема ни једне преостале живе ћелије у телу. Иначе, познато је да преминулима неко време расту нокти и коса.
 
Обрати се власницима Крстарице да више не дозвољавају коришчење енглеског на овом форуму.
Ja bih molila da se postovi čitaju sa razumevanjem. Ponavljam, uz tekstove na drugim jezicima, potreban je i prevod na jezik države Srbije.Još jednom, hvala na razumevanju.
 
На форуму је дозвољен и енглески поред српског језика, мада би требало део који се тиче расправе превести ради бољег разумевања.
https://www.krstarica.com/info/pravilnik/
Šta je zabranjeno?
-postavljanje sadržaja koji nisu na srpskom ili engleskom jeziku (uz obavezan bar kratak prevod)
Проблем овде је већи што је текст склепала вештачка интелигенција.
Zar ja nisam to navela već? Nijednom rečju nisam napisala da je zabranjeno, već da bi trebalo biti prevedno i na srpski jezik. Polazimo od toga da ne moraju svi znati engleski jezik niti imaju želju da guglaju prevod.
 
Коришћењем кинеског Deepseek хтео сам да покажем да је вера у вампиризам општи светски феномен. Никако није само балканска појава.

Горе смо видели да у Великој Британији људи су веровали да мртви могу да се врате и чине зло живима, укључујући пиће крви. Питао сам Deepseek да ли је таква вера постојала и у Индији и Кини.

Was there a belief in vampirism in India or China?

Deepseek:

Okay, so I need to figure out if there were beliefs in vampirism in India or China. Let me start by recalling what I know about vampires in general. Vampires are typically undead beings that drink blood, right? They’re prominent in European folklore, like Dracula from Transylvania. But the question is about India and China.



First, India. I remember that Indian mythology has a lot of supernatural creatures. Maybe there's something similar to a vampire. Let me think... There are Rakshasas, which are demonic beings. They are known to be malevolent, maybe they consume human flesh or blood? Also, I think there's a female vampire-like creature called a Churel or Churail. They are vengeful spirits of women who died during pregnancy or childbirth. They might suck blood or life force. Then there's the Vetala from Hindu mythology, which are spirits that inhabit corpses. They don’t exactly drink blood but are associated with graveyards and can possess bodies. So maybe these could be considered vampire-like.



Now, China. Chinese folklore has various ghosts and spirits. Jiangshi come to mind. They’re reanimated corpses that hop around, and they drain the life force or qi from people. They’re often called "hopping vampires" in Western terms. I think they’re more like zombies, but they do absorb energy rather than blood. Maybe there are other beings? The Nian is a mythical beast, but it's more like a monster that comes during the New Year. Then there are fox spirits, but they’re more shape-shifters than vampires. So the Jiangshi might be the closest to a vampire concept in China, even if they’re a bit different from the European vampire.



Wait, but are there other entities? Maybe in regional folklore? For example, in southern China or among certain ethnic groups? I'm not sure. Also, in terms of blood-drinking, are there any deities or demons that specifically consume blood? Maybe some demons in Buddhist or Taoist traditions? I'm not certain. The Jiangshi primarily drain qi, but maybe in some stories they also drink blood. I should check that.



In India, besides the Churel and Vetala, there's also the Brahmarakshasa, a type of Brahmin ghost that is vengeful but I don't know if they drink blood. The Pishachas are flesh-eating demons, so maybe similar to vampires in some aspects. So maybe India has several beings that are vampire-like in different ways.



I need to make sure I'm not conflating different types of spirits. For example, the Vetala is more about possessing corpses and causing trouble, but not necessarily blood-drinking. The Churel is about revenge and attacking men, maybe draining their life force. So not exactly blood, but similar in the life-draining aspect.



In China, the Jiangshi is definitely a reanimated corpse, controlled by Taoist priests, and they hop because rigor mortis sets in. They’re associated with stealing qi, which is the life energy, rather than blood. But in some modern depictions, maybe influenced by Western vampires, they might have some blood-drinking traits. So the traditional Jiangshi might not be blood-drinkers, but there could be overlap in the concept of draining life force.



Another angle: historical records or literature. Are there any ancient texts or stories from India or China that mention creatures similar to vampires? For India, the Vetala is featured in stories like the Vetala Panchavimshati, which are part of Indian literature. These stories involve a Vetala possessing a corpse and challenging a king with riddles. So that's a literary source. For China, the Jiangshi legends became more prominent during the Qing dynasty, especially in 18th and 19th century folklore. So they might not be as ancient as European vampire myths but still part of traditional beliefs.



Also, in terms of burial practices or rituals to prevent vampirism. In Europe, people used to bury suspected vampires with stakes through the heart or stones in their mouths. Are there similar practices in India or China? In China, the Jiangshi are sometimes said to be created when a person's soul doesn't leave the body properly, so Taoist rituals would be performed to prevent this. Maybe using talismans on the corpse. In India, certain rituals during cremation or burial might be aimed at preventing spirits from becoming malevolent, like the Churel, by tying the toes together or placing seeds in the coffin to keep the spirit occupied.



So, putting this all together: both India and China have folklore entities that share some traits with vampires, even if they don't perfectly align with the European vampire. India has Churel, Vetala, Pishachas, which are malevolent spirits or corpse-inhabiting beings that might drain life force or blood. China has Jiangshi, which are reanimated corpses that drain qi. So the belief in vampiric entities exists, but they are shaped by local cultural and religious contexts, differing from the Western vampire.

Beliefs in vampiric entities exist in both Indian and Chinese folklore, though they differ significantly from the European vampire archetype. Here's a structured overview:

India

  1. Churel/Churail:
    • A vengeful female spirit, often of women who died during pregnancy or childbirth. They are said to haunt their families, draining life force or blood, particularly targeting men.
    • Preventative rituals include tying the toes of the deceased or placing seeds in the coffin to distract the spirit.
  2. Vetala:
    • Spiritually animated corpses from Hindu mythology, associated with graveyards. They possess corpses, cause mischief, and challenge humans with riddles (as seen in the Vetala Panchavimshati tales). While not blood-drinkers, their corpse-inhabiting nature aligns them with vampiric themes.
  3. Pishachas:
    • Malevolent, flesh-eating demons in Hindu and Buddhist texts. They haunt cremation grounds and are linked to disease and madness, sharing some traits with vampiric entities.

China

  1. Jiangshi ("Hopping Vampire"):
    • Reanimated corpses from Qing dynasty folklore, animated by unsettled qi (life force). They drain victims' qi rather than blood, hopping due to rigor mortis. Taoist rituals, like talismans, prevent their creation.
    • Modern portrayals sometimes blend Jiangshi with Western vampire traits, though traditionally they focus on energy absorption.
  2. Other Entities:
    • While fox spirits (huli jing) and the Nian monster exist, they differ from vampires. Jiangshi remain the primary vampiric analogue in Chinese lore.

Cultural Context

  • Burial Practices: Both cultures developed rituals to prevent malevolent spirits. In India, cremation rites aim to liberate the soul, while in China, Taoist practices secure peaceful passage of the soul.
  • Literary Sources: Indian texts like the Kathasaritsagara feature Vetala stories, whereas Jiangshi tales emerged later, reflecting societal anxieties during the Qing dynasty.

Conclusion

India and China harbor rich traditions of vampiric entities shaped by local beliefs. These beings—such as the Churel and Jiangshi—embody culturally specific fears but share thematic parallels with European vampires, such as life-draining abilities and corpse-related horror. Their distinctions highlight the diversity of global folklore.





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Još jednom, da bi se što više članova uključilo u diskusiju, poželjno je tekstove na engleskom jeziku prevesti i na srpski jezik. Još jednom hvala na razumevanju.
 
А мени је српски четврти језик. Уместо да захтеваш да се овде пише на српском буди поносан што на овом форуму добијаш прилику да разговараш са међународним посетиоцима.
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Poslednja izmena:
Да није било немачког филмског режисера F.W. Murnaua -- који је снимио филм Nosferatu 1922. године -- и каснијих холивудских продукција, врло мало људи широм света би чули за реч вампир. И немачки и американски филмови повезивају вампире за Трансилванију и измишљеног Грофа Дракуле.

Данас десетине хиљада иностраних туриста годишње посећивају наводни Дракулов замак

https://images.app.goo.gl/jiUZqayGjZQu5bRi9

Пре ових филмова Румуни нису имали ни појма да је Влад Цепеш Дракула био ни гроф ни вампир.
 
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Ако то озбиљно говориш зашто си узела име Лагерта а не рецимо Равијојла?
 

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