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Danas vampire uglavnom vežemo uz Rumunjsku, tj uz grofa Vlada Tepeša zvanom i Drac. To je bio nevjerovatni sadist koji je osobno mučio i ubija zarobljenika. Poznata je njegova navada objedovanje uz razbacane leševe uokolo, na zemlji, nabodene na kolcima, rasjecene u dijelovima i sl. Ali ipak nije mi baš najkasnije jeli on glasio za vampira u dalekoj prošlosti ili je to sve krenulo od 1897 i objavljivanja romana Brama Stockera.

Iako se danas vampirizam najviše veže uz Rumunjsku, Srbija je itekako tu povijesno važna. Prvi slučaj vampirizma za kojega možemo reći da nije sigurno narodna tlapnja potječe iz 1725 s područja današnje Srbije. Riječ je o seljaka Petru Blagojevicu koji je umro te 1725- e. Ubrzo je selo snašla strašna nesreca, misteriozne smrti, sakacenje stoke i sl. Uz to se mrtvi Petar ukazivao živim ljudima, zbog toga seljaci su za nekoliko mjeseci uz prisustvo državnih službenika za danjeg svjetla otvorili Petrov grob. Dočekao ih je šokantni prizor, Petrovo tijelo je bilo posve očuvano, obrazi rumeni.a bilo he i dosta krvi po njegovom tijelu. Seljaci su mu zabili goglovkolac u srce. Danas znanost tvrdi da ima objašnjenje za taj fenomen ali nisu svi uvjereni. Nakon otvaranja groba u selu su se prestalr događati strašne nesreće.

Sam naziv vampir je slavenskog porijekla, i Rumunjska je zapravo bila djelomično slavenska zemlja. Sakupljači narodnih predaja kao i pisci fantastičnih romana raširili su ovaj pojam izvan južnoslavenskih zemalja i Rumunjske.
 
Баш сам прошле недеље читао о српским вампирима.

Ту би имало сасвим довољно елемената да се направи неки добар хорор филм.

И прича о Павлу Арнауту и о Петру Благојевићу могу да направе лепо уметничко дело у форми дугометражног играног филма.

Сад су популарне серије, може и серија.
 
Ne vjerujem bas, ali da pridonesem temi. Slike sa vec sada davnog izleta. Kringa, Istra Hr

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Danas vampire uglavnom vežemo uz Rumunjsku, tj uz grofa Vlada Tepeša zvanom i Drac. To je bio nevjerovatni sadist koji je osobno mučio i ubija zarobljenika. Poznata je njegova navada objedovanje uz razbacane leševe uokolo, na zemlji, nabodene na kolcima, rasjecene u dijelovima i sl. Ali ipak nije mi baš najkasnije jeli on glasio za vampira u dalekoj prošlosti ili je to sve krenulo od 1897 i objavljivanja romana Brama Stockera.

Iako se danas vampirizam najviše veže uz Rumunjsku, Srbija je itekako tu povijesno važna. Prvi slučaj vampirizma za kojega možemo reći da nije sigurno narodna tlapnja potječe iz 1725 s područja današnje Srbije. Riječ je o seljaka Petru Blagojevicu koji je umro te 1725- e. Ubrzo je selo snašla strašna nesreca, misteriozne smrti, sakacenje stoke i sl. Uz to se mrtvi Petar ukazivao živim ljudima, zbog toga seljaci su za nekoliko mjeseci uz prisustvo državnih službenika za danjeg svjetla otvorili Petrov grob. Dočekao ih je šokantni prizor, Petrovo tijelo je bilo posve očuvano, obrazi rumeni.a bilo he i dosta krvi po njegovom tijelu. Seljaci su mu zabili goglovkolac u srce. Danas znanost tvrdi da ima objašnjenje za taj fenomen ali nisu svi uvjereni. Nakon otvaranja groba u selu su se prestalr događati strašne nesreće.

Sam naziv vampir je slavenskog porijekla, i Rumunjska je zapravo bila djelomično slavenska zemlja. Sakupljači narodnih predaja kao i pisci fantastičnih romana raširili su ovaj pojam izvan južnoslavenskih zemalja i Rumunjske.
Vampir je srpska rec svi ostali su samo preuzeli.
 
Fasciniraju me te lokalne legende, nebitno kojeg naroda. Posebno mi se dopada kada se uoci podudarnost izmedju naroda koji nisu bili u kontaktu u tom periodu, a imaju slicne zapise o istim pojavama. Da bi se danas te pojave skroz nestale. Postoji neka misterija koja se krije u proslosti i golica moju mastu zudeci da je sve to zaista tako bilo.
Samo, nazalost, realnost me razocarava u tom pogledu.
 
Danas vampire uglavnom vežemo uz Rumunjsku, tj uz grofa Vlada Tepeša zvanom i Drac. To je bio nevjerovatni sadist koji je osobno mučio i ubija zarobljenika. Poznata je njegova navada objedovanje uz razbacane leševe uokolo, na zemlji, nabodene na kolcima, rasjecene u dijelovima i sl. Ali ipak nije mi baš najkasnije jeli on glasio za vampira u dalekoj prošlosti ili je to sve krenulo od 1897 i objavljivanja romana Brama Stockera.

Iako se danas vampirizam najviše veže uz Rumunjsku, Srbija je itekako tu povijesno važna. Prvi slučaj vampirizma za kojega možemo reći da nije sigurno narodna tlapnja potječe iz 1725 s područja današnje Srbije. Riječ je o seljaka Petru Blagojevicu koji je umro te 1725- e. Ubrzo je selo snašla strašna nesreca, misteriozne smrti, sakacenje stoke i sl. Uz to se mrtvi Petar ukazivao živim ljudima, zbog toga seljaci su za nekoliko mjeseci uz prisustvo državnih službenika za danjeg svjetla otvorili Petrov grob. Dočekao ih je šokantni prizor, Petrovo tijelo je bilo posve očuvano, obrazi rumeni.a bilo he i dosta krvi po njegovom tijelu. Seljaci su mu zabili goglovkolac u srce. Danas znanost tvrdi da ima objašnjenje za taj fenomen ali nisu svi uvjereni. Nakon otvaranja groba u selu su se prestalr događati strašne nesreće.

Sam naziv vampir je slavenskog porijekla, i Rumunjska je zapravo bila djelomično slavenska zemlja. Sakupljači narodnih predaja kao i pisci fantastičnih romana raširili su ovaj pojam izvan južnoslavenskih zemalja i Rumunjske.
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gost je doktor etnologije, detaljno je proučavao tu temu oko verovanja u vampire na našim prostorima, istraživao je dosta i na terenu tamo gde su se vampiri po Srbiji navodno pojavljivali i o svemu tome pričao je u podcastu. jako zanimljiva priča i super lik. preporuka svakako.
 
не верујем баш у те приче али отац једне моје комшике у селу се вампирио
на дан сахране касно увече се појавило велико црно куче и лајало на капији
од следеће ноћи почињу њихове муке према речима њене мајке
одвезивао је стоку из штале и пуштао напоље
померао ствари по кући и дворишту(најчешће судове остављао на прагу улазних врата али се дешавало да запрежна кола ујутру буду на суседној ливади де према њој није било класичне ограде већ од бодљикаве жице са )
шљивама које је у дворишту засадио неку годину раније ломио је гране
и много тога које ја сада не могу да се сетим
били су код неког човека у суседном селу који им је рекао да закољу кућног петла и његовом крвљу нацртају по три крста на свим штоковима врата и прозора у кући с унутрашње стране
повремено је било ситних "јављања на даље а после 40ог помена све је престало
 
не верујем баш у те приче али отац једне моје комшике у селу се вампирио
на дан сахране касно увече се појавило велико црно куче и лајало на капији
од следеће ноћи почињу њихове муке према речима њене мајке
одвезивао је стоку из штале и пуштао напоље
померао ствари по кући и дворишту(најчешће судове остављао на прагу улазних врата али се дешавало да запрежна кола ујутру буду на суседној ливади де према њој није било класичне ограде већ од бодљикаве жице са )
шљивама које је у дворишту засадио неку годину раније ломио је гране
и много тога које ја сада не могу да се сетим
били су код неког човека у суседном селу који им је рекао да закољу кућног петла и његовом крвљу нацртају по три крста на свим штоковима врата и прозора у кући с унутрашње стране
повремено је било ситних "јављања на даље а после 40ог помена све је престало
Slično kao što su i meni opisali, pogledaj moj post. Jbm libga taj čovek i žena su bili prestrašeni kad sam čuo od njih tu priču. Ja sam inače žestok nevernik i skeptičar :D
Ali mi ovo više liči na nesmirenu dušu posle smrti nego na vampira....
 
Deepseek одговара о веровању у вампиризам у Великој Британији:

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Was there belief in vamiprism in Great Britain?

Deepseek:

Okay, so I need to figure out if there was a belief in vampirism in Great Britain. Let me start by recalling what I know about vampires in folklore. Vampires are these mythical creatures that drink blood and are often undead. I know that places like Eastern Europe, especially Romania, have strong vampire legends, like Dracula. But what about Great Britain?



First, I should consider historical records or folklore from Britain. Maybe there are local legends or myths that resemble vampires. I remember something about revenants, which are like the undead coming back to cause trouble. Were revenants considered similar to vampires in Britain?



Also, there's the case of the Highgate Vampire in the 1970s, which was a media sensation. That's in London, so that's a modern example. But did people in earlier centuries believe in such creatures?



I should check if there are any specific terms used in British folklore for vampire-like beings. Maybe they didn't call them vampires but had other names. For example, in Scotland, there's the baobhan sith, which are female vampires or spirits. And the Irish have the Dearg-due. These are Celtic myths, so parts of the UK might have similar stories.



Then there's the literary angle. Bram Stoker's Dracula was written by an Irish author, but the story is set in Transylvania. However, the novel popularized vampires in Britain. But before that, were there any local beliefs?



I recall that in the Middle Ages, there were practices to prevent the dead from rising, like placing stones in the mouth or burying people face down. These might be related to fears of the undead, which could be similar to vampirism. For example, the "vampire" burials found in places like Ireland and England, where bodies were buried with stakes or heavy stones to keep them from rising.



Also, there's the case of William of Newburgh's chronicles from the 12th century. He wrote about revenants in England, like the ghost of a dead man who returned to haunt his wife and others. These stories involve corpses leaving their graves and causing harm, which is similar to vampire legends.



Another angle is the overlap between vampire myths and other supernatural beings. In Britain, there are beings like ghosts, witches, and fairies. Could vampire-like entities be part of that broader spectrum? For instance, some fairies were said to drain life force or blood.



In terms of more recent history, after the publication of Dracula in 1897, vampire hysteria might have been imported or influenced by Eastern European stories. But prior to that, were there indigenous beliefs?



Also, during the 18th century, there were vampire panics in parts of Europe. Did any of that reach Britain? Maybe through newspapers or travelers' accounts?



I should also consider regional variations within Great Britain. Scotland, Wales, and England might have different folklore traditions. For example, the Scottish baobhan sith, as mentioned earlier, or the Welsh Gwrach-y-Rhibyn, a hag-like creature, though not exactly a vampire.



Additionally, the concept of the "Alp" in Germanic folklore, which is a blood-sucking spirit, might have influenced areas of England with Anglo-Saxon roots. But I'm not sure if that's documented.



In summary, while the classic Eastern European vampire might not have been part of British folklore, there were certainly beliefs in revenants, malevolent spirits, and certain creatures that share traits with vampires. The practices to prevent the dead from rising also suggest a fear similar to vampirism. Literary works later cemented the vampire in British culture, but indigenous beliefs existed in a different form.
Yes, beliefs in vampirism or vampire-like entities existed in Great Britain, though they differed from the Eastern European vampire archetype. Here's a structured overview:

  1. Medieval Revenants:
    • Chronicles like William of Newburgh's 12th-century writings describe revenants—reanimated corpses causing harm, similar to vampiric beings. These stories included corpses leaving graves to terrorize the living, often requiring decapitation or cremation to stop them.
  2. Preventative Burial Practices:
    • Archaeological finds, such as "vampire burials" in Britain, show bodies buried with stones in their mouths, stakes through bodies, or face-down positions. These practices suggest a fear of the dead returning, akin to anti-vampire measures.
  3. Celtic and Regional Folklore:
    • Scotland: The baobhan sith are female spirits or fairies who drain blood from victims, often encountered in the Highlands.
    • Wales/England: The Gwrach-y-Rhibyn (Welsh hag) and other eerie beings, while not vampires, shared malevolent traits. The Alp from Anglo-Saxon lore, a nightmarish entity, might also have influenced local beliefs.
  4. Literary Influence:
    • Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897) popularized the Eastern European vampire in Britain, but indigenous revenant myths predate this. Gothic literature in the 18th/19th centuries blended local and foreign folklore, shaping modern vampire perceptions.
  5. Modern Cases:
    • The 1970s Highgate Vampire scare in London reflects lingering fascination, blending folklore with urban legend. This was more a media-driven panic than a traditional belief.
  6. Distinct from Eastern Europe:
    • British vampire-like entities were often tied to specific regional folklore (e.g., fairies, hags) rather than the undead aristocrats of Eastern Europe. The term "vampire" itself entered English later, via continental influences.
In essence, while Britain lacked the explicit "vampire" label in early folklore, beliefs in blood-sucking spirits, vengeful revenants, and protective burial rites reveal analogous fears. These traditions merged with imported myths over time, creating a unique blend in British cultural history.
 
Deepseek одговара о веровању у вампиризам у Великој Британији:

Моје питање:

Was there belief in vamiprism in Great Britain?

Deepseek:

Okay, so I need to figure out if there was a belief in vampirism in Great Britain. Let me start by recalling what I know about vampires in folklore. Vampires are these mythical creatures that drink blood and are often undead. I know that places like Eastern Europe, especially Romania, have strong vampire legends, like Dracula. But what about Great Britain?



First, I should consider historical records or folklore from Britain. Maybe there are local legends or myths that resemble vampires. I remember something about revenants, which are like the undead coming back to cause trouble. Were revenants considered similar to vampires in Britain?



Also, there's the case of the Highgate Vampire in the 1970s, which was a media sensation. That's in London, so that's a modern example. But did people in earlier centuries believe in such creatures?



I should check if there are any specific terms used in British folklore for vampire-like beings. Maybe they didn't call them vampires but had other names. For example, in Scotland, there's the baobhan sith, which are female vampires or spirits. And the Irish have the Dearg-due. These are Celtic myths, so parts of the UK might have similar stories.



Then there's the literary angle. Bram Stoker's Dracula was written by an Irish author, but the story is set in Transylvania. However, the novel popularized vampires in Britain. But before that, were there any local beliefs?



I recall that in the Middle Ages, there were practices to prevent the dead from rising, like placing stones in the mouth or burying people face down. These might be related to fears of the undead, which could be similar to vampirism. For example, the "vampire" burials found in places like Ireland and England, where bodies were buried with stakes or heavy stones to keep them from rising.



Also, there's the case of William of Newburgh's chronicles from the 12th century. He wrote about revenants in England, like the ghost of a dead man who returned to haunt his wife and others. These stories involve corpses leaving their graves and causing harm, which is similar to vampire legends.



Another angle is the overlap between vampire myths and other supernatural beings. In Britain, there are beings like ghosts, witches, and fairies. Could vampire-like entities be part of that broader spectrum? For instance, some fairies were said to drain life force or blood.



In terms of more recent history, after the publication of Dracula in 1897, vampire hysteria might have been imported or influenced by Eastern European stories. But prior to that, were there indigenous beliefs?



Also, during the 18th century, there were vampire panics in parts of Europe. Did any of that reach Britain? Maybe through newspapers or travelers' accounts?



I should also consider regional variations within Great Britain. Scotland, Wales, and England might have different folklore traditions. For example, the Scottish baobhan sith, as mentioned earlier, or the Welsh Gwrach-y-Rhibyn, a hag-like creature, though not exactly a vampire.



Additionally, the concept of the "Alp" in Germanic folklore, which is a blood-sucking spirit, might have influenced areas of England with Anglo-Saxon roots. But I'm not sure if that's documented.



In summary, while the classic Eastern European vampire might not have been part of British folklore, there were certainly beliefs in revenants, malevolent spirits, and certain creatures that share traits with vampires. The practices to prevent the dead from rising also suggest a fear similar to vampirism. Literary works later cemented the vampire in British culture, but indigenous beliefs existed in a different form.
Yes, beliefs in vampirism or vampire-like entities existed in Great Britain, though they differed from the Eastern European vampire archetype. Here's a structured overview:

  1. Medieval Revenants:
    • Chronicles like William of Newburgh's 12th-century writings describe revenants—reanimated corpses causing harm, similar to vampiric beings. These stories included corpses leaving graves to terrorize the living, often requiring decapitation or cremation to stop them.
  2. Preventative Burial Practices:
    • Archaeological finds, such as "vampire burials" in Britain, show bodies buried with stones in their mouths, stakes through bodies, or face-down positions. These practices suggest a fear of the dead returning, akin to anti-vampire measures.
  3. Celtic and Regional Folklore:
    • Scotland: The baobhan sith are female spirits or fairies who drain blood from victims, often encountered in the Highlands.
    • Wales/England: The Gwrach-y-Rhibyn (Welsh hag) and other eerie beings, while not vampires, shared malevolent traits. The Alp from Anglo-Saxon lore, a nightmarish entity, might also have influenced local beliefs.
  4. Literary Influence:
    • Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897) popularized the Eastern European vampire in Britain, but indigenous revenant myths predate this. Gothic literature in the 18th/19th centuries blended local and foreign folklore, shaping modern vampire perceptions.
  5. Modern Cases:
    • The 1970s Highgate Vampire scare in London reflects lingering fascination, blending folklore with urban legend. This was more a media-driven panic than a traditional belief.
  6. Distinct from Eastern Europe:
    • British vampire-like entities were often tied to specific regional folklore (e.g., fairies, hags) rather than the undead aristocrats of Eastern Europe. The term "vampire" itself entered English later, via continental influences.
In essence, while Britain lacked the explicit "vampire" label in early folklore, beliefs in blood-sucking spirits, vengeful revenants, and protective burial rites reveal analogous fears. These traditions merged with imported myths over time, creating a unique blend in British cultural history.
Post je potrebno prevesti i na zvanični jezik naše zemlje, hvala na razumevanju.
 
Kakvom iglom ? (se probadaju), nikad čuo.


Inače, filmove pa čak i serije o vampirima oduvek gledao.
Kad umre neko na koga se sumnja da će se vampiriti, on se bocne iglom a ono što sam čuo i napisao (a što je moderacija obrisala), čini mi se da je bio kolac.
Samo ne vidim način da "vampir" izadje iz groba, ni svrhu da se probada kolcem ako je nesmirena duša u pitanju.
 

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