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Украјински "војни експерти" методом застрашивања и дезинформисања хипнотишу народ преко медија и заурлавају о агресији Русије, нарочито масовним нападом тенковских колона.

Члан председништва Савета за спољну и одбрамбену политику Руске Федерације Александар Лосев је у емисији радија "Вести ФМ" описао какав би заправо био рат Русије против Украјине.

«Через полтора часа этого государства не будет» – российский военный эксперт об участи Украины

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„Ако поново покрену рат у Донбасу или негде на граници са Руском Федерацијом, Белорусија неће остати по страни. И јасно је на којој ће страни бити“, рекао је Лукашенко.
 

The NATOstan Clown Show​

American hysteria over the “imminent” Russian invasion of Ukraine has exploded every geopolitical Stupid-o-Meter in sight – and that’s quite an accomplishment.
What a mess. Sections of the U.S. Deep State are in open revolt against the combo that remote controls Crash Test Dummy, who impersonates POTUS. The neocon-neoliberal axis is itching for a war – but has no idea how to sell it to an immensely fractured public opinion.
UKUS, which de facto controls the Five Eyes spy scam, excels only in propaganda. So in the end it’s up to the CIA/MI6 intel axis and their vast network of media chihuahuas to accelerate Fear and Loathing ad infinitum.
Russophobic U.S. Think Tankland would very much cherish a Russian “invasion”, out of the blue, and could not give a damn about the inevitable trouncing of Ukraine. The problem is the White House – and the Pentagon – must “intervene”, forcefully; otherwise that will represent a catastrophic loss of “credibility” for the Empire.
So what do these people want? They want to provoke Moscow by all means available to exercise “Russian aggression”, resulting in a lightning fast war that will be a highway to hell for Ukraine, but with zero casualties for NATO and the Pentagon.
Then the Empire of Chaos will blame Russia; unleash a tsunami of fresh sanctions, especially financial; and try to shut off all economic links between Russia and NATOstan.
Reality dictates that none of the above is going to happen.
All exponents of Russian leadership, starting with President Putin, have already made it clear, over and over again, what happens if the Ukro-dementials start a blitzkrieg over Donbass: Ukraine will be mercilessly smashed – and that applies not only to the ethno-fascist gang in Kiev. Ukraine will cease to exist as a state.
Defense Minister Shoigu, for his part, has staged all manner of not exactly soft persuasion, featuring Tu-22M3 bombers or Tu-160 White Swan bombers.
The inestimable Andrei Martyanov has conclusively explained, over and over again, that “NATO doesn’t have forces not only to ‘counter-act’ anything Russia does but even if it wanted to it still has no means to fight a war with Russia.”
Martyanov notes, “there is nothing in the U.S. arsenal now and in the foreseeable future which can intercept Mach=9-10+, let alone M=20-27, targets. That’s the issue. Same analytical method applies to a situation in 404. The only thing U.S. (NATO) can hope for is to somehow provoke Russia into the invasion of this shithole of a country and then get all SIGINT it can once Russia’s C4ISR gets into full combat mode.”
Translation: anything the Empire of Chaos and its NATO subsidiary try in Donbass, directly or indirectly, the humiliation will make the Afghanistan “withdrawal” look like a House of Gucci dinner party.
No one should expect clueless NATO puppets – starting with secretary-general Stoltenberg – to understand the military stakes. After all, these are the same puppets who have been building up a situation which might ultimately leave Moscow with a single, stark choice: be ready to fight a full scale hot war in Europe – which could become nuclear in a flash. And ready they are.
It’s all about Minsk
In a parallel reality, “meddling in 404” – a delightful Martyanov reference to a hellhole that is little more than a computer error – is a totally different story. That perfectly fits American juvenilia ethos.
At least some of the adults in selected rooms are talking. The CIA’s Burns went to Moscow to try to extract some assurance that in the event NATO Special Forces were caught in the cauldrons – Debaltsevo 2015-style – that the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, with Russian help, will concoct, they would be allowed to escape.
His interlocutor, Patrushev, told Burns – diplomatically – to get lost.
Chief of the General Staff, Gen Valery Gerasimov, had a phone call with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen Mark Milley, ostensibly to ensure, in Pentagonese, “risk-reduction and operational de-confliction”. No substantial details were leaked.
It remains to be seen how this “de-confliction” will happen in practice when Defense Minister Shoigu revealed U.S. nuclear-capable bombers have been practicing, in their sorties across Eastern Europe, “their ability to use nuclear weapons against Russia”. Shoigu discussed that in detail with Chinese Defense Minister Wei Fenghe: after all the Americans will certainly pull the same stunt against China.
The root cause of all this drama is stark: Kiev simply refuses to respect the February 2015 Minsk Agreement.
In a nutshell, the deal stipulated that Kiev should grant autonomy to Donbass via a constitutional amendment, referred to as “special status”; issue a general amnesty; and start a dialogue with the people’s republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.
Over the years, Kiev fulfilled exactly zero commitments – while the proverbial NATOstan media machine incessantly pounded global opinion with fake news, spinning that Russia was violating Minsk. Russia is not even mentioned in the agreement.
Moscow in fact always respected the Minsk Agreement – which translates as regarding Donbass as an integral, autonomous part of Ukraine. Moscow has zero interest in promoting regime change in Kiev.
This charade has come to a point that – diplomatically – is quite unprecedented: Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov lost his Taoist patience.
Lavrov was forced, under the circumstances, to publish 28 pages of correspondence between Moscow on one hand, and Berlin and Paris on the other, evolving around the preparation of a high-level meeting on Ukraine.
Moscow was in fact calling for one of the central points of the agreement to be implemented: a direct dialogue between Kiev and Donbass. Berlin and Paris said this was unacceptable. So yes: both, for all practical purposes, destroyed the Minsk Agreement. Public opinion across NATOstan has no idea whatsoever this actually happened.
Lavrov did not mince his words: “I am sure that you understand the necessity of this unconventional step, because it is a matter of conveying to the world community the truth about who is fulfilling, and how, the obligations under international law that have been agreed at the highest level.”
So it’s no wonder that the leadership in Moscow concluded it’s an absolute waste of time to talk to Berlin and Paris about Ukraine: they lied, cheated – and then blamed Russia. This “decision” at the EU level faithfully mirrors NATO’s campaign of stoking the flames of imminent “Russian aggression” against Ukraine.
Armchair warriors, unite!
Across NATOstan, the trademark stupidity of U.S. Think Tankland rules unabated, congregating countless acolytes spewing out the talking points of choice: “relentless Russian subversion”, “thug” Putin “intimidation” of Ukraine, Russians as “predators”, and everything now coupled with “power-hungry China’s war on Western values.”
Some Brit hack, in a twisted way, actually managed to sum up the overall impotence – and insignificance – by painting Europe as a victim, “a beleaguered democratic island in an anarchic world, which a rising tide of authoritarianism, impunity and international rule-breaking threatens to inundate”.
The answer by NATOstan Defense Ministers is to come up with a Strategic Compass – essentially an anti-Russia-China scam – complete with “rapid deployment forces”. Led by who, General Macron?
As it stands, poor NATOstan is uncontrollably sobbing, accusing those Russian hooligans – scary monsters, to quote David Bowie – of staging an anti-satellite missile test and thus “scorning European safety concerns”.
Something must have got lost in translation. So here’s what happened: Russia conclusively demonstrated it’s capable of obliterating each and every one of NATO’s satellites and blind “all their missiles, planes and ships, not to mention ground forces” in case they decide to materialize their warmongering ideas.
Obviously those deaf, dumb and blind NATOstan armchair warrior clowns – fresh from their Afghan “performance” – won’t get the message. But NATOstan anyway was never accused of being partial to reality.

http://thesaker.is/the-natostan-clown-show/
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idiotizam natovaca
vrse provokacije a onda
ako Rusija krene na ...
onda ce oni

NOV 30, 18:04Updated by 19:17

The foreign ministers of NATO countries discussed the possibility of sanctions against the Russian Federation in the event of "aggression in Ukraine"​

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that NATO countries exchange intelligence on the actions of the Russian Federation against Ukraine

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lepo PUTIN je naglasio da postoji pretnja od strane Nato , koji i vrse vezbe na granici sa Rusijom ili sa bombarderima.

INVESTMENT FORUM "RUSSIA CALLS!"
NOV 30, 13:01Updated by 14:24

Putin said Russia is concerned about unscheduled exercises near its borders​

Answering the question of whether the introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine is possible, the President recalled that such a threat had been discussed at the beginning of the year, when Russia was conducting exercises.

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"The Russian Federation is experiencing certain concerns about the fact that large-scale exercises are being conducted near its borders, including unplanned ones, as was the case quite recently in the Black Sea, when strategic bombers carrying high-precision weapons were flying 20 km from our border. there may be nuclear weapons. This all poses a threat to us, "Putin said.
Answering the question about whether the introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine is possible, the president recalled that such a threat had been discussed at the beginning of the year, when Russia was conducting exercises. “But, as we can see, this did not happen,” he said. “The point is not to send troops - not to enter, to fight - not to fight. the area of security of all participants in international activities ".
According to Putin, if everyone sincerely strives for this, "no one will experience any threats." At the same time, he recalled the challenges that residents of Donbass have to face.

"As for the threats, then for people living in two unrecognized republics - the LPR and the DPR [Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics], there are also constant threats created there when military units move near their territory," he recalled.
 

The NATOstan Clown Show​

American hysteria over the “imminent” Russian invasion of Ukraine has exploded every geopolitical Stupid-o-Meter in sight – and that’s quite an accomplishment.
What a mess. Sections of the U.S. Deep State are in open revolt against the combo that remote controls Crash Test Dummy, who impersonates POTUS. The neocon-neoliberal axis is itching for a war – but has no idea how to sell it to an immensely fractured public opinion.
UKUS, which de facto controls the Five Eyes spy scam, excels only in propaganda. So in the end it’s up to the CIA/MI6 intel axis and their vast network of media chihuahuas to accelerate Fear and Loathing ad infinitum.
Russophobic U.S. Think Tankland would very much cherish a Russian “invasion”, out of the blue, and could not give a damn about the inevitable trouncing of Ukraine. The problem is the White House – and the Pentagon – must “intervene”, forcefully; otherwise that will represent a catastrophic loss of “credibility” for the Empire.
So what do these people want? They want to provoke Moscow by all means available to exercise “Russian aggression”, resulting in a lightning fast war that will be a highway to hell for Ukraine, but with zero casualties for NATO and the Pentagon.
Then the Empire of Chaos will blame Russia; unleash a tsunami of fresh sanctions, especially financial; and try to shut off all economic links between Russia and NATOstan.
Reality dictates that none of the above is going to happen.
All exponents of Russian leadership, starting with President Putin, have already made it clear, over and over again, what happens if the Ukro-dementials start a blitzkrieg over Donbass: Ukraine will be mercilessly smashed – and that applies not only to the ethno-fascist gang in Kiev. Ukraine will cease to exist as a state.
Defense Minister Shoigu, for his part, has staged all manner of not exactly soft persuasion, featuring Tu-22M3 bombers or Tu-160 White Swan bombers.
The inestimable Andrei Martyanov has conclusively explained, over and over again, that “NATO doesn’t have forces not only to ‘counter-act’ anything Russia does but even if it wanted to it still has no means to fight a war with Russia.”
Martyanov notes, “there is nothing in the U.S. arsenal now and in the foreseeable future which can intercept Mach=9-10+, let alone M=20-27, targets. That’s the issue. Same analytical method applies to a situation in 404. The only thing U.S. (NATO) can hope for is to somehow provoke Russia into the invasion of this shithole of a country and then get all SIGINT it can once Russia’s C4ISR gets into full combat mode.”
Translation: anything the Empire of Chaos and its NATO subsidiary try in Donbass, directly or indirectly, the humiliation will make the Afghanistan “withdrawal” look like a House of Gucci dinner party.
No one should expect clueless NATO puppets – starting with secretary-general Stoltenberg – to understand the military stakes. After all, these are the same puppets who have been building up a situation which might ultimately leave Moscow with a single, stark choice: be ready to fight a full scale hot war in Europe – which could become nuclear in a flash. And ready they are.
It’s all about Minsk
In a parallel reality, “meddling in 404” – a delightful Martyanov reference to a hellhole that is little more than a computer error – is a totally different story. That perfectly fits American juvenilia ethos.
At least some of the adults in selected rooms are talking. The CIA’s Burns went to Moscow to try to extract some assurance that in the event NATO Special Forces were caught in the cauldrons – Debaltsevo 2015-style – that the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, with Russian help, will concoct, they would be allowed to escape.
His interlocutor, Patrushev, told Burns – diplomatically – to get lost.
Chief of the General Staff, Gen Valery Gerasimov, had a phone call with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen Mark Milley, ostensibly to ensure, in Pentagonese, “risk-reduction and operational de-confliction”. No substantial details were leaked.
It remains to be seen how this “de-confliction” will happen in practice when Defense Minister Shoigu revealed U.S. nuclear-capable bombers have been practicing, in their sorties across Eastern Europe, “their ability to use nuclear weapons against Russia”. Shoigu discussed that in detail with Chinese Defense Minister Wei Fenghe: after all the Americans will certainly pull the same stunt against China.
The root cause of all this drama is stark: Kiev simply refuses to respect the February 2015 Minsk Agreement.
In a nutshell, the deal stipulated that Kiev should grant autonomy to Donbass via a constitutional amendment, referred to as “special status”; issue a general amnesty; and start a dialogue with the people’s republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.
Over the years, Kiev fulfilled exactly zero commitments – while the proverbial NATOstan media machine incessantly pounded global opinion with fake news, spinning that Russia was violating Minsk. Russia is not even mentioned in the agreement.
Moscow in fact always respected the Minsk Agreement – which translates as regarding Donbass as an integral, autonomous part of Ukraine. Moscow has zero interest in promoting regime change in Kiev.
This charade has come to a point that – diplomatically – is quite unprecedented: Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov lost his Taoist patience.
Lavrov was forced, under the circumstances, to publish 28 pages of correspondence between Moscow on one hand, and Berlin and Paris on the other, evolving around the preparation of a high-level meeting on Ukraine.
Moscow was in fact calling for one of the central points of the agreement to be implemented: a direct dialogue between Kiev and Donbass. Berlin and Paris said this was unacceptable. So yes: both, for all practical purposes, destroyed the Minsk Agreement. Public opinion across NATOstan has no idea whatsoever this actually happened.
Lavrov did not mince his words: “I am sure that you understand the necessity of this unconventional step, because it is a matter of conveying to the world community the truth about who is fulfilling, and how, the obligations under international law that have been agreed at the highest level.”
So it’s no wonder that the leadership in Moscow concluded it’s an absolute waste of time to talk to Berlin and Paris about Ukraine: they lied, cheated – and then blamed Russia. This “decision” at the EU level faithfully mirrors NATO’s campaign of stoking the flames of imminent “Russian aggression” against Ukraine.
Armchair warriors, unite!
Across NATOstan, the trademark stupidity of U.S. Think Tankland rules unabated, congregating countless acolytes spewing out the talking points of choice: “relentless Russian subversion”, “thug” Putin “intimidation” of Ukraine, Russians as “predators”, and everything now coupled with “power-hungry China’s war on Western values.”
Some Brit hack, in a twisted way, actually managed to sum up the overall impotence – and insignificance – by painting Europe as a victim, “a beleaguered democratic island in an anarchic world, which a rising tide of authoritarianism, impunity and international rule-breaking threatens to inundate”.
The answer by NATOstan Defense Ministers is to come up with a Strategic Compass – essentially an anti-Russia-China scam – complete with “rapid deployment forces”. Led by who, General Macron?
As it stands, poor NATOstan is uncontrollably sobbing, accusing those Russian hooligans – scary monsters, to quote David Bowie – of staging an anti-satellite missile test and thus “scorning European safety concerns”.
Something must have got lost in translation. So here’s what happened: Russia conclusively demonstrated it’s capable of obliterating each and every one of NATO’s satellites and blind “all their missiles, planes and ships, not to mention ground forces” in case they decide to materialize their warmongering ideas.
Obviously those deaf, dumb and blind NATOstan armchair warrior clowns – fresh from their Afghan “performance” – won’t get the message. But NATOstan anyway was never accused of being partial to reality.

http://thesaker.is/the-natostan-clown-show/
He ! Upravo slušam putina kako šeretskim glasom objašnjava da imaju rekete brzine 9 maha i da su za 5 minuta do centara iz kojih se izdaju komande za napad na Rusiju
Da neće gadjati odakle stiže vatra i da im to nije problem da neutrališu , već će gadjati odakle dolaze komande ?
Pozdrav Vašigtonu i Londonu Briselu ...........
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Poslednja izmena:
evo Belarusija , priznaje da je KRIM RUSKI

17:51 11/30/2021 (updated: 21:26 11/30/2021)
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A trip to Crimea will mean recognition of the peninsula, Lukashenka said

President of Belarus Lukashenko: a trip to Crimea will mean recognition of the peninsula​

President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko during an interview with the international news agency Russia Today - RIA Novosti, 1920, 30.11.2021

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MINSK, 30 Nov - RIA Novosti. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko spoke about Crimea in an interview with RIA Novosti.
"If the president has already arrived there (to Crimea. - Ed. Note) <...> with the president of Russia . Listen, what other confessions can there be ?! This is oil, as they say in Russia," he said.
Lavrov: according to our legislation, Crimea is a part of the union state - RIA Novosti, 1920, 08/12/2021

August 12, 14:48
Lavrov commented on Lukashenka's words about Crimea
According to the head of state, his trip to the peninsula will mean recognition of it as Russian territory.
“Although it’s not a secret for me or for Putin, and moreover, it’s just some kind of question that doesn’t exist. There is no such question between me and Putin ,” Lukashenka said.
 
Samo jedan prikaz 1996 godine o SU 37 RUSIJI je donelo zaradu od 10 milijardi dolara.
INDIJA je kupila SU 30MKI 224 komada i niko nije ni pre ni posle uspeo da proda ijedan avion u tolikom broju


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Sohu: Su-37 aerobatic stunts at Farnborough allowed Russia to earn $ 10 billion​

Elena Ivanova
November 30, 2021
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Sohu: Su-37 aerobatic stunts at Farnborough allowed Russia to earn $ 10 billion / Press Service of the Baltic Fleet
Beijing, November 30. The Russian treasury was replenished by $ 10 billion thanks to the spectacular performance of a Su-37 fighter at the Farnborough International Air Show in 1996, analysts from China said.
Observers of the Chinese edition Sohu write in their material that at an exhibition held in Great Britain near the city of Farnborough of the same name, Russia presented a prototype of a new aircraft based on the Su-27. As PolitRussia reports , the fighter's crew demonstrated aerobatics stunts during the air show, which incredibly impressed the guests of the air show.
Experts point out that delegates from India were most interested in the Russian novelty. Shortly thereafter, they arrived in Moscow to discuss the development of new fighters. During the negotiations, the Russian side demonstrated its other project - the Su-30, which made an even greater impression on the Indian military than the Su-37.
As a result, Moscow and New Delhi entered into an agreement on the development of promising fighters, later called the Su-30MKI. To date, India has purchased 242 of these machines, bringing Russia $ 10 billion.
“Russia has earned more than 10 billion with one plane. This is an unprecedented case in the international arms market, ”concluded analysts from China.
Earlier, the EurAsian Times reported that New Delhi will continue to develop its military-technical partnership with Moscow. In addition, a contract for the production of AK-203 Kalashnikov assault rifles at a joint venture in India may be signed before the end of this year, RT reports .
 
Федерална служба безбедности Русије (ФСБ) је 2. децембра известила да је неколико припадника украјинских обавештајних служби приведено у различитим руским регионима, укључујући и Крим. Двојица су прикупљала информације о руским стратешким објектима, а трећи је припремао терористички напад.

 
Федерална служба безбедности Русије (ФСБ) је 2. децембра известила да је неколико припадника украјинских обавештајних служби приведено у различитим руским регионима, укључујући и Крим. Двојица су прикупљала информације о руским стратешким објектима, а трећи је припремао терористички напад.

Красиви малчики ахахахахаахах
 
Merkaju mečku...

Srećom pa je mečka mnogo pametnija od svih ovih drugih što je merkaju i čačkaju...

Da je Putin zlo, odavno bi ih već kaznio kojom bombom.... Ali svi prolaze isto....ako je sudeći po njegovoj Istoriji, istoriji pobednika.
 
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